It all comes down to the discretion and determination of the walloper.
Running 35's and taking defect is fine for some but you have a prang, un-roadworthy vehicle, you just lost any insurance cover and go it alone.
It all comes down to the discretion and determination of the walloper.
Running 35's and taking defect is fine for some but you have a prang, un-roadworthy vehicle, you just lost any insurance cover and go it alone.
That's what I wanted to say earlier, but was unableQuote:
Originally Posted by Throbbinhood
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It must really come down to the issuing officer. I was defected for 35s, no mudflaps (front or rear), drivers seat belt frayed, smashed windscreen (did it the night before) & bullbar. I was only issued a minor & just had to clear it with Vic Roads.Quote:
Originally Posted by mudski
What was wrong with your bullbar?
Your lucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chappy
They got me for the simex and a cracked headlight and told me that I had 1/2 hour to get off the dirt roads and out of the area.
The irony not allowed to drive mud tyres on dirt road, but fine to do 300+ K's on the black stuff to get home.
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It was angled outwards so it would push a pedestrian under the car, not over it. I've since swapped to an ARB bar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winnie
Saying that, the old bar passed at Vic Roads no worries when I went in to clear it.
It's ridiculous how much the rules change case by case..Quote:
Originally Posted by jay see
You were lucky they didnt tell you to call a tow truck.Quote:
Originally Posted by jay see
Apparently the Mansfield fuzz were making drivers call tow trucks...
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I know. As much as I rather have the clearance from a 35, I'm not prepared to cop the shit that goes with it.
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So i went to my cousins 40th today in Riddels creek and who was there? At the same party? Brett from 4x4 Obsession.
Very nice guy, nice enough to even chat to me about the engineers report on his day off.
He gets my vote...
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Yeah not much Brett doesn't know about Patrols and Mods.Quote:
Originally Posted by mudski
Also if you have a "smart" attitude towards the officer I think
you could kiss any chances of getting off gone out the window
Im with you , pick better lines and get a front Pro-locker fitted I say lolQuote:
Originally Posted by jay see
Each to their own. Ill be happy when its done and then its all legal. Apart from the tyres. Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by threedogs
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O.k SO I just went over to 4x4 Obsession for Brett to take a quick look and tell me what I need to do. Found out a few things I wasn't aware of...
- Catch cans. Are illegal. They do not pass ADR. Regardless if its a closed system and recirculates back into the air intake. So this needs to be removed temporarily.
- The boost controller is also illegal. So I need to hide this under the intercooler.Out of sight
- My GVM is 3000kg. I weigh 2940kg. Seems ok yeah? Wrong. The car is classed as a seven seater you you need to count seven people with a weight of 80kgs each, and then both fuel tanks full. But I will be getting the engineers report and the car will be classed as a 5 seater. So that saves me 160kg. So a bit of a diet the car will be going on. Ugh!
- Braided brake lines, you need to be aware of. All braided lines must have a small rubber sleeve at each end of the line where it meets the banjo fitting. I was told that a few places are claiming their lines are ADR compliant and infact are not, because they haven't used the rubber sleeve.
I asked about the GVM upgrade. It was noted that say if you do the upgrade from 3000kg to 3350kg you are not actually increasing your towing capacity by 350kg. It does not add onto it.
So a few things to do, it will go in hopefully July. If everything goes to plan.
Also just for reference. The whole car must be engineered. So you can't just go in for suspension, when the motor or something else needs to be done and you don't want it too.
Can anyone with a GUII wagon with a factory TD42t in it please post up their GVM? I am curious to see if its heavier than 3000kg.
I personally thought it was 3050gmv from factory.Quote:
Originally Posted by mudski
But wow.. a few things there we were unaware of....
Maybe touch base with safe brake to see if there's are correct..
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2016/06/38.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by mudski
Only 40kg over 3T Mudski
40kg more. Hmm.
Another thing I was told too. About light bars.
Vic Roads does allow the placement of light bars on the roof, as long as they don't reflect back toward the driver. But. But! ADR says no driving light can be more than 1.2m from the ground. So thats a bugger.
we all know about the no more than 6 forward facing lights yeah? I have two headlight, two driving lights and one lightbar of the roof. I though I was safe. The headlights are counted as two light per side. So technically I'm one over.... Lol.
Likely already said but I was talking with a trusted performance 4WD company (who do all form of mods including stretching) and the rule is for QLD, legally, nothing bigger than 33's. Apparently, a pat can't pass the swerve test.
Take the 35's with you on a trailer with trolley-jack, swap boots when off-road or run the 35's at risk of being dicked.
On the lights are you sure??
80 series yes you'd be over.
But patrols have 1 pair of head lights..
So with 1 pair of spot lights and one light bar fitted to the center your legal..
If you have 2 pairs of aftermarket spotties and a light bar then your 1 over..
That one pair of headlights are 2 low beam and 2 high beam so that make 4 lightsQuote:
Originally Posted by bigguwesty
Low beam turn off when highs are on.. So that is not correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clunk
No they dontQuote:
Originally Posted by bigguwesty
Incorrect, most do. Too much current draw with both lit on the common negative wire and also too much heat to dissipate in the lamp assembly. Look at car next time with blown high, it will only have the park lamp (if not blown too).Quote:
Originally Posted by Clunk
Big GU is correct in the technical respect.
Regardless off do or don't. .
In SA from the local plods mouth.
They class it as basically per globe / lense.
So a patrol has 2 factory driving lights.
An 80 has 4 factory lights..
A BA falcon has 4. Even though it's only 2 lights per say each housing has a hi/low beam and then a second hi beam globe and lense in the same housing.
Same here in QLD and was in VIC in my younger years. A light is the physical unit, not the filament count.
That was from the horses mouth Kallen. I can't argue with that. He did also say that this is something thats often overlooked if you are pulled up by the fuzz. They would usually just count one headlight as one.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigguwesty
Yep. I have concluded that 35's are a definite no go. So this I will run the gaunlet with. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by LostBenji
I've been scouring the VSB14 guidelines and can't find this anywhere. I think I will send them an email and ask where I can find the ruling. I'm also thinking I can't find it because it may be a victorian rule, so it won't be in the VSB14, it should be via the vic government website or Vic Roads.Quote:
Originally Posted by mudski
well bugger be sideways, you learn something new everyday....... although my park (side) lights are separate to the main lights.Quote:
Originally Posted by LostBenji
So why is it that with HID headlights, when you first turn the lights on low beam, they take a while to get up to brightness, but when you switch to high beams, the brightness is instant?
The only thing I can find in all docs is driving light must be fitted in pairs of 2 or 4, or a single symmetrical centered bar.
A single lamp assy each side (EG one on the LH and one on the RH as in a factory GQ Patrol) with a single globe with a low and main beam filament counts as 2 not 4.
A dual lamp (IE one with 2 globes or two seperate assy's side by side with a globe each) where both are illuminated when main beam is selected counts as 4
Anyone who tells you different is talking out there arse.
A HID (High Intensity Discharge) light works by heating the gas in the bulb to create the light. The "getting to brightness is them warming up to operating temperature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clunk
When you flick on high beam (on a legal projector lens) there is a little blade that flicks down allowing full light through the projector. Normally the blade blocks a portion of the light, thus giving you "low beam" and that nice straight cut off line.
That's not the case though on a HID lamp that you see installed in a regular light reflector though.Quote:
Originally Posted by lhurley
Mudski if you get there again ask about headlight heights. Headlight heights can also be the restriction on lift legalities. You can have a lift engineered but its still illegal as the headlights are above adr requirements.
This may be old and outdated info so would be good to get this confirmed.
@mudski
1.2m the ADR is. From all the info he was blurting out and me trying to take it all in, I think he said the height is fine after the engineer has done his thing with the car. I think. but I do believe one of the reasons why they wont engineer over 4inch is because of the headlamp height.Quote:
Originally Posted by nissannewby
Like I said. This came from the shop doing the report. I can only repeat what I was told.Quote:
Originally Posted by the evil twin
Problem there is they get you just as you get out of the tracks. I've seen them waiting for the 4wders and bikers.Quote:
Originally Posted by LostBenji
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Getting back on topic.
33" tyres are legal, 285/75/16 are legal, what about 305/70/16? They all measure up to 33".
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Yeah i asked brett about 305's. Thats the limit but he said the GU's dont drive aswell on 305's as they do with 285s. Not sure on the reason behind this though....Quote:
Originally Posted by jay see
I got a bit of work to do between now and when it goes it to scrub up on a few things.
Just a few small things to do. Change out my headlights is the biggest thing. Whether i will put them back in is another thing after its done.
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Be interested to know why as I run 305"s off-road - I wouldn't think the additional width / rolling weight would have thrown things out that much?Quote:
Originally Posted by mudski
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