Hostages held at Syndey Lindt Cafe

I'm just glad its over. Not glad for the innocent victims in this whole ordeal though. I just hope this does NOT bring more hate to the Muslim people. My youngest daughter's best friend at school is Muslim, and they're family are very good people and always hate it when stuff like this comes up, as there is people that will talk behind their backs and will create their own opinion on them thinking they are all the same, my own mother is one of them and I f@cking hate it! I for one do not.
There is psycho's in every religion.

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Originally Posted by Cuppa

We cannot afford to let ourselves be pushed into a defensive corner by the actions of a few ...... it’s precisely what they want.

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We also now have to be careful that our reactions to this terrible event don't mean that we relinquish more of our rights in the name of 'security'. Classic knee-jerk reactions like giving the Government more invasive powers mean we all also loose out on our basic rights and freedoms.

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Originally Posted by Drewboyaus

^^^umm what?
He was acting alone and had other legal grievances. This has nothing to do with IS. It has everything to do with a nutter acting as a criminal. Best to check the facts on this individual first.

This is a horrific event for those involved and my thoughts are with the families of the folk who were killed but like BA said, there is more likelihood of me being stabbed in the street than this happening again.

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are you quoting me mate ?

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Originally Posted by Family4x4

This guy was a known extremist why was he still in the country? He should have been in Guantanamo living with the C.I.A for a few years.

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He was more of a known criminal.....a string of sexual assault charges related to his "healing" business among many other previous brushes with the law.

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I've just learnt that 4 of my colleagues were being held hostage. Makes it all to close to home I'm afraid.

If my children have to fight a war that we were to soft as a country to clean up when it was a problem I will be utterly disgusted.

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Originally Posted by Agronaught

I've just learnt that 4 of my colleagues were being held hostage. Makes it all to close to home I'm afraid.

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Im really sorry to hear that, I think im right saying this on everyone's behalf that we hope they are all safe,

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Originally Posted by menace 2

are you quoting me mate ?

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I don't understand the point you are trying to make in your previous post. To me, it seemed almost as extreme as the very extremists you appear to be being critical of.

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Did anyone else see when the 4 cops walked his body out? One on each arm / leg

Nah mate but did see the flash bangs being thrown in, then the coppers following..... folk being carried or helped out and someone being given CPR, I crashed out a wee while after that

Yea it was no more than 20 mins after the shots started, a Guy with a white shirt was run out but not on a stretcher just carried by his limbs like a rag doll. I'm only assuming it was the shooter as I would like to think they would treat non aggressive civilians better than that dead or alive.

I can't seem to find the footage online though.

Shoulda put a bullet in him when it first started!

Yep100%, specially after they found out who he was and capable of.

They did not know how many there actually were and if there were really bombs in place so this would not be an option and why none of you lot have the job to make these decisions.... (yes humor )

They should bury him face down, unmarked grave, undisclosed location, to send a message to any other extremists looking for their heaven.

They won't of course.

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Originally Posted by megatexture

Yea it was no more than 20 mins after the shots started, a Guy with a white shirt was run out but not on a stretcher just carried by his limbs like a rag doll. I'm only assuming it was the shooter as I would like to think they would treat non aggressive civilians better than that dead or alive.

I can't seem to find the footage online though.

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They were saying yesterday that the shooter was still in the building while the crime scene investigators did their thing

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Originally Posted by lhurley

They were saying yesterday that the shooter was still in the building while the crime scene investigators did their thing

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That is normal - especially for a coronial investigation and with the number of shots fired that would all have to be accounted for.

It is a war I can see no end to. Alas.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-30507836

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Originally Posted by Drewboyaus

I don't understand the point you are trying to make in your previous post. To me, it seemed almost as extreme as the very extremists you appear to be being critical of.

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I am just pissed off with the whole thing Drew...we have soldiers fighting overseas to keep this s^*t from coming our way and they need to feel that we will and more importantly can , protect their tribes back here..but all you see is what seems to be incompetent actions from our supposedly well trained crack response team...people running out of the place from side doors and they are all talking with guns facing the ground...pushing each other out of the way , with what seems confusion with how to use the shield...the whole world was watching , Israel , the French , and America would have been laughing their heads off....even the wrong ones would have been analizing it….yes we may not have known just what was going on as spectators but it just looked so un-professional...the media turning it into Peyton Place...all this while people having to serve the public on probably the most bare minimum basic wage ..(which could be any of our youngins).having a gun put to them under the threat of death and also the other poor people...the owner of the place picked his moment and had a go...good on him , he had nothing to lose , as I said ,this guy was not going home...the authorities knew who he was , they knew his capabilities, they knew his history and they think it might “scare” the hostages if they knew !.people had contact with the media , families by mobile..(which does show this guy’s amateurism)..so I would want to know..we are thinking this gunman is an arsehole but his type are going to see him as different and he will be used as incentive by all the wrong people here and over there..so as I said ,get ready…we are a soft country at home , we let anyone in , we let anyone stay , we have harsher penalties for traffic offences than heavy hits..This is new to us here and if you think they will think , well we have done it there now lets move on then you are in la la land….I didn’t mention I.S. before ?..but just what do we know about his affiliations ?..he has the same thought patterns , he violated the families of our deceased soldiers,he wanted to act under the banner of I.S. by requesting one…the whole of Australia believes he was a peace of s*&t so I am not telling you anything you don’t know , but don’t kid yourself and be complacent that he is a one of nutter !...Am I an extremist ?..yes probably now..am I a racist ?..yes probably now selectively…bad luck for the good ones !....so be it

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Originally Posted by Agronaught

They should bury him face down, unmarked grave, undisclosed location, to send a message to any other extremists looking for their heaven.

They won't of course.

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Good point where would they bury him , no family what just cremate him and thats that

Where should they bury him or scatter his ashes?

In the middle of the yard of the biggest Pig Farm they can find, so that every day a couple of hundred Pigs shit on his corpse... see if he gets to pardise and his 70 virgins then...

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Originally Posted by menace 2

I am just pissed off with the whole thing Drew...we have soldiers fighting overseas to keep this s^*t from coming our way and they need to feel that we will and more importantly can , protect their tribes back here..but all you see is what seems to be incompetent actions from our supposedly well trained crack response team...people running out of the place from side doors and they are all talking with guns facing the ground...pushing each other out of the way , with what seems confusion with how to use the shield...the whole world was watching , Israel , the French , and America would have been laughing their heads off....even the wrong ones would have been analizing it….yes we may not have known just what was going on as spectators but it just looked so un-professional...the media turning it into Peyton Place...all this while people having to serve the public on probably the most bare minimum basic wage ..(which could be any of our youngins).having a gun put to them under the threat of death and also the other poor people...the owner of the place picked his moment and had a go...good on him , he had nothing to lose , as I said ,this guy was not going home...the authorities knew who he was , they knew his capabilities, they knew his history and they think it might “scare” the hostages if they knew !.people had contact with the media , families by mobile..(which does show this guy’s amateurism)..so I would want to know..we are thinking this gunman is an arsehole but his type are going to see him as different and he will be used as incentive by all the wrong people here and over there..so as I said ,get ready…we are a soft country at home , we let anyone in , we let anyone stay , we have harsher penalties for traffic offences than heavy hits..This is new to us here and if you think they will think , well we have done it there now lets move on then you are in la la land….I didn’t mention I.S. before ?..but just what do we know about his affiliations ?..he has the same thought patterns , he violated the families of our deceased soldiers,he wanted to act under the banner of I.S. by requesting one…the whole of Australia believes he was a peace of s*&t so I am not telling you anything you don’t know , but don’t kid yourself and be complacent that he is a one of nutter !...Am I an extremist ?..yes probably now..am I a racist ?..yes probably now selectively…bad luck for the good ones !....so be it

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I hear your anger mate and I can understand but I'm not going to let a low-life scum minority dictate to me how I feel about others. I have many Muslim friends and acquaintances having lived in the Northern Suburbs of Melbourne for 15 years and I flat out refuse to have my opinion of them (and their friends) influenced by a small band of barbarians.
I don't want the country I love (and quite frankly after travelling all over the world the best country in the world to live) to become so hard-harted that we no longer have any compassion. That is not the country I grew up in a and if we head down that path, it says to me that terrorism is winning.
That all said, I don't really know what the answer is other than to work out how to address the core reasons why many radicalised Muslim youth are so disenchanted that they feel the need to behave as they do.

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Originally Posted by lhurley

They were saying yesterday that the shooter was still in the building while the crime scene investigators did their thing

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It must have been the manager of the shop then... The fella they ran out with was definitely not alive, maybe running him to the paramedics for treatment.

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Originally Posted by the evil twin

Where should they bury him or scatter his ashes?

In the middle of the yard of the biggest Pig Farm they can find, so that every day a couple of hundred Pigs shit on his corpse... see if he gets to pardise and his 70 virgins then...

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fu@k him, just chuck his carcase to the pigs to eat, mind you all the do gooders would be up in arms about that

Didn't they dump binlarden out at sea lol

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Originally Posted by megatexture

Didn't they dump binlarden out at sea lol

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They said they did so his grave would not become a shrine. Also in less than 24 hours as is the Muslims way

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Originally Posted by the evil twin

Where should they bury him or scatter his ashes?

In the middle of the yard of the biggest Pig Farm they can find, so that every day a couple of hundred Pigs shit on his corpse... see if he gets to pardise and his 70 virgins then...

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they never state that they are female and attractive. 70 fat hairy virgin blokes doesnt sound like a fun time to me

A laugh to lighten the mood;

British Suicide Bombers on Strike!




Suicide bombers in Britain are set to begin a three-day strike next Monday in a dispute over the number of virgins they are entitled to in the afterlife. Emergency talks with Al Qaeda have so far failed to produce an agreement.

The unrest began last Tuesday when Al Qaeda Central announced that the number of virgins a suicide bomber would receive after his death will be cut by 25%, from 72 to only 54, effective immediately. The rationale for the cut was the increase in recent years of the number of suicide bombings and the subsequent shortage of virgins in the afterlife, coupled with other factors contributing to a decline in the virgin supply. The suicide bombers' union, the British Organization of Occupational Martyrs (or BOOM) responded with a statement that this was unacceptable to its members and immediately balloted for strike action. General Secretary Mustapha Fook told the press, "Our members are literally working themselves to death in the cause of Jihad. We don't ask for much in return but to be treated like this is like a kick in our teeth."

Speaking from his shed in Tipton in the West Midlands in which he currently resides, Al Qaeda chief executive Osama bin Laden explained, "We sympathize with our workers' concerns but Al Qaeda is simply not in a position to meet their demands. They are simply not accepting the realities of modern-day Jihad in a competitive marketplace and a difficult economy. Thanks to Western depravity, there is now a chronic shortage of virgins in the afterlife, which is not helped by the downturn in the economy which is driving virgins to cash in their chastity. It's a straight choice between reducing expenditure and laying people off. I don't like cutting compensation, but I'd hate to have to tell 3000 of my staff that they won't be able to blow themselves up."

Spokespersons for the union in Newcastle, Middlesborough, Wales and the entire Australian continent stated that the strike would not affect their operations as "There are no virgins in our areas anyway."

Apparently the drop in the number of suicide bombings has also been attributed to the emergence and popularity of that Scottish singing star, Susan Boyle. Now that Muslims know what a virgin looks like, they are less keen on rushing to paradise.