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Autobarn have a special on Fuelsafe (Rheem) jerry cans at the moment. Around half price at $33 each for the yellow diesel or red petrol cans. Don't believe their online 'Click & collect' when it tells you that they don't have any, apparently it's having hissy fits at the moment. I phoned the shop who said 'yep' we've got plenty in stock - so I bought four.

Small mod to my car, I made a couple of parallel bars to fit across the inside rear of the pod to which I can securely strap the 4 jerries. These plus another two stored further forward gives a total fuel capacity of up to 300 litres if needed. (Plus another 60 litres carried on the Tvan).
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Originally Posted by Cuppa

Autobarn have a special on Fuelsafe (Rheem) jerry cans at the moment. Around half price at $33 each for the yellow diesel or red petrol cans. Don't believe their online 'Click & collect' when it tells you that they don't have any, apparently it's having hissy fits at the moment. I phoned the shop who said 'yep' we've got plenty in stock - so I bought four.

Small mod to my car, I made a couple of parallel bars to fit across the inside rear of the pod to which I can securely strap the 4 jerries. These plus another two stored further forward gives a total fuel capacity of up to 300 litres if needed. (Plus another 60 litres carried on the Tvan).
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Fark.. so what's your cruzing range now at 300L? ?

I have a few of those from years ago and the insides have
all peeled off the fuel that was left inside turned yellow, not
a fan of plastic just saying, Ive been carting fuel in different containers
since the early 70S.

Am I getting something wrong why the need to carry an extra 300kg plus of fuel.
You can only travel on gazetted roads in Australia and the chance of anyone other
than being the Bush tucker man you'll never get permission to travel to these out of the way places [remote]..
So a 150-200ltr main replacement and a 75 ltr aux tank will suit your needs . If doing the CSR
you only need enough fuel to reach well 23 if Im right.
From what I see is you're down sizing and trying to fit everything you had in the bus into
your Pod and camper.. Sorry I dont see the point way too heavy. Raffa had the right idea
and he only had half the gear you have. Take if for some serious off road sojourn a few times
cause you dont want things failng first time you hit the dirt, and I do mean serious not high country cause you wont
encounter that in the places you want to travel. Just saying lol
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Brought a pair of these, they are the 25mm ones to suit
the top rail of my roof rack. This will allow me to fit my
spare 7" dual row light bars between the rails on my roofrack
for additional lighting if need be.

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Originally Posted by biggqwesty

Fark.. so what's your cruzing range now at 300L? ?

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Most of the time the jerries would not be used but need to be carried as we plan to be away indefinitely, as opposed to ‘doing’ a CSR trip (for example) & returning home.

As yet I cannot be certain what fuel consumption will be in dune country, but on the road it is higher than many others get. The wind resistance of the pod makes a significant difference.

I worked out my safety margins on 20litres per 100kms +25% for remote desert travel - i.e. 25l per 100kms. (a range of 1200kms for 300 litres) This would (I hope) be a worst case scenario.

In the past with the RTT fitted & carrying a fair amount of weight, consumption was between 17.5 litres per 100kms & 19 litres per 100kms.

Recently however I achieved an all time best of 14.6 litres per 100kms - at that rate 300 litres would give a range of around 2000kms which plainly is severe overkill.

However knock off 25% for desert/dune travel - down to around 1500kms. Knock off a bit more for the extra weight of fulltime touring & towing & it could be getting closer to the required 1200 km range (needed for the Canning).

I certainly have no intention of carrying any more fuel than I have to, but did need to know that I could carry sufficient for any scenario.

I’m not a believer in carrying extra fuel just to be able to buy it for a few cents cheaper, a strategy I view as a false economy.

Not having a dig but you need to do a fair bit of home work to figure out all your fuel figures.
Its not all worked out on a calculator you need to get some real world figures, Go down see Craig
and get some fuel figures in the Dunes down his way, bit of sand driving practise as well, Fully loaded
Would it be a good idea to glue some carpet or such along the RHS to protect it rubbing on the new jerry's

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Originally Posted by threedogs

I have a few of those from years ago and the insides have
all peeled off the fuel that was left inside turned yellow, not
a fan of plastic just saying, Ive been carting fuel in different containers
since the early 70S.

Am I getting something wrong why the need to carry an extra 300kg plus of fuel.
You can only travel on gazetted roads in Australia and the chance of anyone other
than being the Bush tucker man you'll never get permission to travel to these out of the way places [remote]..
So a 150-200ltr main replacement and a 75 ltr aux tank will suit your needs . If doing the CSR
you only need enough fuel to reach well 23 if Im right.
From what I see is you're down sizing and trying to fit everything you had in the bus into
your Pod and camper.. Sorry I dont see the point way too heavy. Raffa had the right idea
and he only had half the gear you have. Take if for some serious off road sojourn a few times
cause you dont want things failng first time you hit the dirt, and I do mean serious not high country cause you wont
encounter that in the places you want to travel. Just saying lol
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My experience is different. Apart from one plastic jerry crazing & cracking (didn’t leak) after about 15 years, I’ve never had any problem with them. On the other hand I had no end of problems with metal jerries either splitting or leaking past the rubber seal.

You can indeed get fuel delivered in a 200l drum to well 23.(Georgia Bore). However it’s a choice I prefer to avoid for several reasons. You have to buy the full 200 litres, need to organise it months in advance, a far higher chance of getting dirty or water laden fuel from a drum, having to carry a pump suitable for getting the fuel out of the drum & I have read of several instances of folk arriving at well 23 only to find that the drum of fuel they organised some 2 months earlier is not there.

Plenty of folk carry sufficient fuel to get them to well 33 (Kunawaritji) where they can fill up from a bowser. Ths requires a fuel range of around 1180kms.

You suggest 275 litres in a main & aux tank would suit my needs, & I hope that amount of fuel WILL be sufficient. It’s only 25kg less in weight than what I can now carry IF I NEED TO.

I believe you significantly underestimate me. I’m not silly, I understand that weight is the enemy, but also understand that a comparison to Rafa or indeed most others is not a reasonable one to make. The major difference, as I have mentioned before, is that we will be travelling with no time limit, no schedule & that this will allow us to travel far more slowly than most, which in turn puts far less stress & strain on the vehicle. So whilst my vehicle is heavier than some (although still not as heavy as some who do in weeks what we will take months or years to do) our travelling/driving style will go quite some way to mitigate that.

With two identical vehicles, both travelling the same desert tracks, one loaded to 3.4 tonnes & travelling at average of 80+kph, & one loaded to 3.8 tonnes & travelling at average of 50kph, which one do you think is most likely to sustain damage?

CSR in my Patrol, worst was 20.5 litres per 100 klm, so Cuppa if you even if you are towing you wont need fuel at #23 from Newman. Keep in mind Newman sell it in 205 litre drum full lots so if you can not take it on board you leave it even though you paid for it!
My share was 66 litres which I gave to another bloke with contaminated fuel storage in his vehicle. My 85 sub, 95 main plus 5 Jerry's with 22 litres in each was plenty for my vehicle which is similar to yours.
Fastest speed on the CSR was 54 kph, so wind resistance is not such an issue.
The sand parts were simple as we have discussed on the phone.
Those who have not been there have an opinion, but thats all it is, what you have to do is be happy with what you have.
What you have is correct, it's not overkill because things can change, you drive or camp differently etc etc all have an impact on fuel used.
Plus its better to look at it than look for it!

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Originally Posted by threedogs

Not having a dig but you need to do a fair bit of home work to figure out all your fuel figures.
Its not all worked out on a calculator you need to get some real world figures, Go down see Craig
and get some fuel figures in the Dunes down his way, bit of sand driving practise as well, Fully loaded
Would it be a good idea to glue some carpet or such along the RHS to protect it rubbing on the new jerry's

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That is good advice, part of our plan is most certainly to do some shorter trips in desert country before attempting a route like the Canning. I am quite confident that we will have more accurate (real world) consumption figures before we ever decide to travel ‘capacity critical’ routes like the Canning. Anything less would be foolish. But for now I am just wanting to ensure I have the space for a worst case scenario. If I don’t have to utilise all the space I’m allocating to carrying fuel I’ll be happy, but if I didn’t have sufficient space & it meant I couldn’t go where I wanted to I’d be pretty cheesed off. Carpet (or rubber) is a good idea.

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Originally Posted by macca

CSR in my Patrol, worst was 20.5 litres per 100 klm, so Cuppa if you even if you are towing you wont need fuel at #23 from Newman. Keep in mind Newman sell it in 205 litre drum full lots so if you can not take it on board you leave it even though you paid for it!
My share was 66 litres which I gave to another bloke with contaminated fuel storage in his vehicle. My 85 sub, 95 main plus 5 Jerry's with 22 litres in each was plenty for my vehicle which is similar to yours.
Fastest speed on the CSR was 54 kph, so wind resistance is not such an issue.
The sand parts were simple as we have discussed on the phone.
Those who have not been there have an opinion, but thats all it is, what you have to do is be happy with what you have.
What you have is correct, it's not overkill because things can change, you drive or camp differently etc etc all have an impact on fuel used.
Plus its better to look at it than look for it!

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Thanks Macca,
Based upon what you’ve told me, what I’ve read & the fact that we’ll be a bit heavier than you were I feel that I’m ‘in the ball park’. 1 more jerry than you had.