OK, that's the info I was looking for, displacement x rpm.Quote:
Originally Posted by mudski
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OK, that's the info I was looking for, displacement x rpm.Quote:
Originally Posted by mudski
Yeah mine will get there and past it quite easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winnie
More info for ya! To work out fuel flow of a Diesel engine. Multiply the engine HP x .18, = flow in GPH.Quote:
Originally Posted by PeeBee
I'd really love to know what a factory Fuel filter assembly is rated for. My Patrol's flow is 145.7 Litres Per Hour.
Interesting, however I can tell you my 6.5 does not use anything like that, verified with twin flowmeters and a fuel management computer. I don't think anyone would get very far down the road if they used this data!Quote:
Originally Posted by mudski
Once again I know ‘nuffing’ about this stuff but really enjoying/appreciating learning here Legends [emoji106][emoji106]
I do remember when I burst the seams on my GU rear main tank on a rock and had to quickly externally plumb the filter pickup line out through the bonnet corner and direct like a syphon hose into the forward auxiliary tank filler nozzle to get up and out of the shit quickly.
Philstar you kindly educated me then that some huge amount (can’t remember %) of diesel delivery volume heads immediately back to the main tank of which could be the filters overall rated needs if that makes nuffy theory sense?
Certainly the main rear tank gauge filled up quickly climbing out but we were back up onto flat highway country by then to re-plumb the system back to standard and use the 1/3 full to get back home safely [emoji106][emoji106]
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Yes, I should have said, maximum fuel flow. e.g being hard on the go pedal, absolute flat knacker, pushing as most amount of fuel the engine is capable of, for an hour.Quote:
Originally Posted by PeeBee
Flow for an engine, is measure at maximum, so in reality, yes the engine would not come near this. It would be impossible to rate flow at an average.
That calculation too was given to me by Parker at our last conference, its what they use, and being probably the most knowledgeable company in the world for fuel filtration, I can only assume its right.
Installed a 200 ah Enerdrive lifepo4 battery and Enerdrive 40+ dc2dc charger. Should keep my 2 Waeco 50l fridges (one used as a freezer) humming along nicely. Covid willing will be heading to the Geo Centre of the Simpson in April, can't wait.
The lifepo4 battery replace two Fullriver 105 ah AGMs I have had on board for years, saved 40 kg in weight :smiley_thumbs_up:
Well done TimE Mate!Quote:
Originally Posted by TimE
Sounds like a ripper setup and a Legendary adventure forthcoming [emoji106][emoji106]
Kicking my own ass now for ordering build stuff backwards with rushed nuffy self electrical knowledge after seeing your top design post above:
Ordered a slimline AGM a few weeks ago for my twin fridge/freezer setup too:
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2021/02/29.jpg
Dropped into Piranha for a dc-dc thingy yesterday as was kindly educated by @matfew was truly needed to protect the AGM from my winch cranking main batteries.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2021/02/30.jpg
Turns out the new Redarc thingy is also capable of Lifepo4 which in hindsight could’ve replicated exactly your top Lithium setup too[emoji23]
Stay safe, have fun out there in the center, plenty of happy photos pretty please [emoji120][emoji106][emoji106]
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That agm will be plenty good enough for what you are using it for MB. Don't regret it, it will kick ass!Quote:
Originally Posted by MB
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It’s not just you Hodgey Mate [emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by Hodge
Every stocky TD42T I’ve ever owned also must be broken, I too shit myself pushing ours past 3,000rpm as it’s completely useless power wise beyond I’ve nuffy found [emoji51]
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Yes my bad Chrisso Mate, only 2 x 26L little Engels in a much cooler climate it will KickAss beyond any setup had before on scrub trucks [emoji106][emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by Winnie
Lithium[emoji383] [emoji383] I reckon read would be insane in the most demanding longer term stays Outback for sure ⭐️⭐️
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Years gone by I drove heavy vehicles that had the optimum torque band highlighted in green on the tacho. In the case of the TD42T I'd think it would span from 1500rpm to 2300rpm or thereabouts. Why anybody would flog these to 4k is beyond my courage!Quote:
Originally Posted by MB
Slightly looong winded findings here tonight but hopefully can help/save some underwater adventurers donks out there too [emoji106][emoji106]
Picked up the truly beautifully manufactured ‘Black Mamba-Airbox’ yesterday [emoji322]
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2021/02/37.jpg
Impeccable welding appears in my slowly failing eyes [emoji102][emoji23]
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My first and only honest concern found was the choice of using the rubber nipple drain thingy much like on my tractor Donaldson that I wouldn’t dare take fully underwater through the creek.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2021/02/40.jpg
Decided to stop by @Rossco ‘s (The Skinny Mountain GQ Bushman’s :-) shed to gauge his well Legendary experienced deep underwater off-road thoughts for my concerns.
Agreed together that it wasn’t extreme optimal and maybe a manual on/off mechanical simple valve like our other ‘Millweld’ beloved airboxes should be adapted for peace of mind.
Couldn’t help myself later and decided to get a secondary Legendary opinion/advice from the (Vic-Otways Swamp Nutter) @MudRunnerTD.
All three of us are now confirmed on the same page concerned for the OEM design and Daz has kindly put forward a simple solution he’s faithfully used before as I have been known to forget shutting off the manual valve on my other airbox drain.
Here’s a view from the inside as purchased:
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2021/02/41.jpg
Here’s a view bathtub tested tonight:
(slowly filled to bathtub water level in under 60 seconds)
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2021/02/42.jpg
Unfortunately took another approximately 60 seconds to drain out the equalised water level:
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http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2021/02/44.jpg
OEM rubber drain removed was a complete disaster obviously within seconds:
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2021/02/45.jpg
Now for @MudRunnerTD ‘s Legendary advice:
(test photos below, not finished product:-)
“Find a larger Sikaflex type nozzle in your shed Mark” [emoji736]
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2021/02/46.jpg
“Trim the end off larger for drainage assistance”
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“Find an old inner tubey”
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The absolute worst I could get it to intake was the volume of the foldable tube before full kink upwards:
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2021/02/52.jpg
The drainage is almost as instant as was tested with the hole completely open:
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A brilliant idea thanking you very much DazMaaaaan [emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106]
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Haha!!! Great test mate. Glad my logic works!!! I have had this set up on my GQ in 2 different air boxes for the win. Never tested it like that but was confident in its performance and stoked it works as i expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB
Hahahahaha. Plas you need to come for a drive in my GU mate....... i show you happy Dance brother! LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Plasnart
Certainly appears to work Legend [emoji120][emoji120]Quote:
Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD
Nearly Midnight and “Fark It” I says !!
$790 for the best of the best hocked my spend for hassle free hoping and a best highway design only found [emoji23]
Why does it take a retard like nuffy me to work out the product has an engine swamping/hydro locking potential?
Honestly dislike bagging products but if you’re gonna put yourself above China spruiking get that simple test R&D shit underway ASAP Legends.
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They do work those little valves. If you have a think about it. When the engine is running there is vacuum being pulled inside the airbox. So with vacuum it pulls the rubber valve inwards and seals not allowing any fluid in. This is why it didn't work in your bath tub.
Se below a snip from the Donaldson catalog.Quote:
Originally Posted by nissannewby
The Vacuator Valve, standard on
the majority of Donaldson air
cleaners, is an important part
of the functionality of the air
cleaner. It is an integral part of
the pre-cleaning stage on two stage
air cleaners.
The dust cup, where pre-cleaned
dust is collected, is normally
under a slight vacuum when
the engine is running. The
normal engine pulsing of the
vacuum causes the Vacuator
Valve to open and close. This
action automatically expels any
collected dust and water. The
Vacuator Valve also unloads
when the engine is stopped.
For the longest filter service life, replace damaged or
missing Vacuator Valves immediately!
If your valve is cracked, torn, remains open, or is missing, dust particles that are
normally expelled can deposit themselves onto the filter and will shorten air filter
service life. Replace it!
The Donaldson Vacuator Valve,
also known as VacValve, is
made in a variety of sizes
and shapes to fit various
applications. The Donaldson
part number is molded into
each part for easy identification.
Thanks Legends, great learnings as always appreciated [emoji106][emoji106]
Not sure how well the vacuum closing design of the valve is going to work if I accidentally stall the truck half way through a deep river or in the middle of a shocking bog hole though [emoji51]
Wouldn’t that be exactly the same as the bath tub nuffy test?
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I guess you just need to not stall it then?? LolQuote:
Originally Posted by MB
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There is nothing wrong with what you have done and what you say is right. The valve is ineffective without the engine running. Just pointing out its operation.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB
Engine protection aside. Be careful when attempting to cross anything that is deeper than the bonnet
Wipers On! Windows Up! #JustsenditQuote:
Originally Posted by nissannewby
Fixed it for you @SwampNutterTD [emoji23][emoji106][emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD
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Haha as a jockey I reckon 4k would be sweet!Quote:
Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD
@MB, yes my flowmeters show an over supply anywhere from 90% downwards returning tank to around 70% on my motor.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB
So....I’m back in love again with the new airbox after easy installation this afternoon, thanks heaps again Mat for the top product suggestion and apologies Gentlemen & ‘Black Mamba’ for my late night sook up earlier here[emoji51][emoji23]
As mentioned, a piece of piss to install and plenty of wriggle room to choose left/right/forward and also backwards too if you move your GQ overflow bottle as they advertise:
(I settled on slightly backwards and slightly right twisted out off the guard a whisker so that my 10mm socket could whip the top off fast if ever needed)
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2021/02/74.jpg
Reduced it down for now from 4” to 3” via the first 90 degree bend only because I had all the 3” gear leftover from the previous setup trials.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2021/02/75.jpg
Design angles out of the top of the airbox are absolutely perfect and it could easily clear a TD42t GQ alternator vacuum pump with 4” piping all the way through if needed folks [emoji106][emoji106]
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Next project is to finally install the little mini ARB pump to solely run lockers and the old winch freespool.
Can’t really be bothered mounting/wiring it safely inside the cab as have done on other trucks before so are playing around with shielding it from exhaust heat somewhere around here:
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2021/02/76.jpg
Do any of you Legends kindly know if there is any possible detrimental diesel engine affects of plumbing the little compressors clean air intake into the airbox top so it doesn’t get swamped out there too?
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Awesome Markie, she's com'n along nicely. . . Wouldn't think their should be an issue running into airbox, surely there'l be enough air to go around doesn't take much to activate diffs and freespool. . .
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Cheers Rossco Mate, have been thinking the same since posting as it should barely kick in unless I have an unfortunate sneaky line leak in the system somewhere as they can known do [emoji51]
There’s no possibility that something inside the compressor could shite itself and head on into the engine, I have no idea what’s inside these thingys although maybe a cheapo fuel filter in-line between could trap anything untoward heading back in?
Think I’m possibly overthinking it too much now too [emoji23]
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Another tyre rotation today.
Decided to go back through my service book to see how long I've had these.
Purchased on 05/07/16 with Speedo reading 285272 km.
Speedo is now at 366084 + 16558 when I had no Speedo, so
366,084 + 16,558 = 382,642 - 285,272 =
A grand total of 97,370km in 4 years and 7 months. In that time I've rotated all 5 tyres between 7 - 10,000km. This was the 9th time. Unfortunately they have only seen the tracks about 1/2 a dozen times the rest has been on the block top.
Not know why, but 4 of them are like the first pic and the other is the 2nd pic, can't really see it in the pic, but the 2nd does have more meat and is less cambar..http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2021/02/82.jpghttp://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2021/02/83.jpg
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I am sorry to find Gentlemen but have stuck this OEM dirty rubber nipple in my gob and truly vacuum sucked as hard as a bong smoking pot fiend could possibly do to no avail trying to close this suckers lips up safely for crud sucking potential [emoji51]
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Unfortunately too Daz the rising inner tube wicked solution will struggle to work I believe for this specific airboxes position/scenario found as there is zero swing/elevation room for the tail end to complete its cutoff mission under swamping.
Have started plumbing up a fully sealed system with an old school manual drain that should sump/pipe snorkel splash collect up to a calculated 0.5L before the external lowest release valve to come needs releasing [emoji120][emoji120]
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http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2021/02/87.jpg
Have tried to replicate the rubber OEM nipples sump (floor level) slots as best as possible and truly appears now the last dregs drains faster out too as it has 50% more holes (4 slots versus 6 hexagonal holes)
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http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2021/02/89.jpg
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Oh wow, took me a while to work it out (the little holes bit) very nicely done [emoji106][emoji106]
Yeah do like Millwelds way of doing it, I just leave the tap closed all the time and only open after driving in pretty crazy storm and usually only get a little out. . Just good peace of mind to know it's 100% sealed I reckon. .
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Whatcha think of this wacky airbox drain idea @Rossco Mate [emoji23]
Bought a plumbers one-way check valve on the way home from work:
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2021/02/92.jpg
Drilled a tiny hole in the end of its outlet shaft:
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2021/02/93.jpg
A mini brass eyelet screw in the end and a pair of nipple rings attached:
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2021/02/94.jpg
Give her a tug and she squirts all over the place:
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2021/02/95.jpg
Think I’ll keep it manually activated from outdoors if needed but in theory comp truck blokes could add on an old school choke cable system to activate an emergency drain whilst on the racing fly maybe [emoji848]
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GQ high mount gardening
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Haha mate that stuff's a bitch! I hacked mine out by hand 5 years ago and it was neverending hacking and here you are doing it in 10 minutes beer in hand :D I did have a bit more than you tho!Quote:
Originally Posted by Winnie
Nice work Chrisso Mate [emoji23][emoji106][emoji106]
Before you get safety flamed, I can see you’re carefully just rolling the weed matting back and lightly popping the shrubs very shallow roots easily.
My honest question is though, how on earth did you connect your hook to the weed matting without ripping through in milliseconds ?
Some sort of graspy clampy useful thingy?
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The pics make me seem much more smarterer than I truly are.
I hooked around the base of the hedges and it pulled the matting with it [emoji23]
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Lazy mans hooker hoe, it still worked a treat by the look of it Mate [emoji106][emoji106]
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Yeah made short work of it. We are all ready for the builder to come in and get started on our deck pergola in 2 weeks. Very exciting!
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Perfect spot chosen too Mate! [emoji106][emoji106]
Life gets brilliant when you can easily/quickly step between the Mrs kitchen and your wicked Mr tucker smoker contraption outdoors area without needing to poncho up with umbrellas over meat trays in the rain ☔️
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