chinese locker update

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Originally Posted by liftlid

Until an item has been run in a vehicle for 100,000 km plus your not going to know its quality, you will get good quality from china IF the company in Australia demands good quality and that company has good quality control. Don't blame china for selling what has been asked for in the first place!
Putting an item in a weekend warrior / rock crawler may not be a good test for a diff as its not getting the constant heat build up that high speed gives. There is my 6 cents worth!!!!! Lol

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Well said bud...

The Chinese thing again. This is becoming a bit irritating. The majority of products made these days (not just cars etc...) are made in China or another of the Asian countries. It all comes down to QC and the companies importing these items following the said countries standards. Whether it be Australia or any other country. As long as the standards are met, the product is generally good. There will always be a failure somewhere along the product line.

Just my opinion.

Yes, but what I was trying to say earlier was that not every Chinese company has good QC or the original drawings. It's pot luck sometimes between manufacturers.

someone should start a thread of what chinese product they have bought that was cheap and good or cheap and nasty

Chinese only make crap if that was the spec they were given, or had to meet a price. Aussies love a bargain, its cheap for a reason.

They are also world leaders in technology and manufacturing processes, they build rockets for satellite deployment etc.

What ever they try to do they can not beat a shonky manufacturer who flouts the rules passing of their crap for a better product, that can happen in any country.

It's all good and well to buy Chinese stuff, but I still ask for Japanese made bearings.

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Originally Posted by mudnut

It's all good and well to buy Chinese stuff, but I still ask for Japanese made bearings.

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Agreed, can't beat them for quality. Japanese or Timken.

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Originally Posted by Limmy

someone should start a thread of what chinese product they have bought that was cheap and good or cheap and nasty

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Hehe. We do WE ALL start?

Someone said in earlier post that arb is Australian designed and made....I'd check that first I'm sure there lockers are not made in Australia but I could be wrong :)

I am running ARB lockers front and rear and have a few mates that have run chinese and arb lockers in fairly well modded weekend toys they have had several chinese failures due to "abuse" in fact the very same "abuse" that the ARB lockers copped with no damage. We all abuse our 4x4s to some extent otherwise we would always take the chicken track. I use mine primarily for hunting and at no time do I think it might be nice to be broken down in the back corner of a 100,000+acre property due to some inferior crap letting me down. You might also note that most farmers in the more remote regions drive Toyota not great walls.

You get what you pay for its as simple as that, I am also a boilermaker and have repaired plenty of crap that was bought in china because of the attractive price. Note that most of the Chinese crap was brand new and needed to be repaired/modified before it could even be put into service.

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Originally Posted by Matt195583

I am running ARB lockers front and rear and have a few mates that have run chinese and arb lockers in fairly well modded weekend toys they have had several chinese failures due to "abuse" in fact the very same "abuse" that the ARB lockers copped with no damage. We all abuse our 4x4s to some extent otherwise we would always take the chicken track. I use mine primarily for hunting and at no time do I think it might be nice to be broken down in the back corner of a 100,000+acre property due to some inferior crap letting me down. You might also note that most farmers in the more remote regions drive Toyota not great walls.

You get what you pay for its as simple as that, I am also a boilermaker and have repaired plenty of crap that was bought in china because of the attractive price. Note that most of the Chinese crap was brand new and needed to be repaired/modified before it could even be put into service.

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Mate do you really know how much of your GQ/GU is actually made in China.... much more than you would know.

A fair bit of ARB gear is made in China under licence too,
So are you saying I shouldn't buy ARB gear ? lol

I smile at threads like this as I recall almost identical conversations about Japanese motorcycles & cars when they were first starting to compete with the British & American products. Someone earlier said they always go for Japanese bearings (as do I) but I remember hearing owners of Brit vehicles back in the '70s saying they would never put Jap bearings in because they were all made pot metal, & their machine tolerances were no good. These were Triumph motorcycle owners - I probably said it myself back then, ha ha! In more recent years Korean vehicles have been more widely accepted too. I have no doubt that the Japanese, the Poms, the Yanks, & the Koreans have all produced good & bad. No reason the Chinese should be any different. To generalise about products based only on their country of origin is probably ignorant at best. I expect even the Russians have built something decent ...... Haven't they? ;)

Niva Lada but you'd have to be a collector lol

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Originally Posted by Cuppa

I expect even the Russians have built something decent ...... Haven't they? ;)

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Kamaz trucks are brilliant. They'll go places that most Patrols wont.

Try a YouTube search.

When I was a kid it was Jap Crap, then the Taiwanese took over.
Korean stuff, no way until I saw a programme on them making cargo or bulk handling ships.
They were made in sections like a loaf of sliced bread, joined together.
The reporter was looking at a flange that had to be joined to the next "slice", he said you would have to be millimetre perfect.
The engineer said they were micron perfect. Absolutely amazing.
Now its Chinas turn

if it doesent leak oil its not a triumph

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Originally Posted by my third 256

if it doesent leak oil its not a triumph

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Built in anti corrosion system!

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Originally Posted by Matt195583

I am running ARB lockers front and rear and have a few mates that have run chinese and arb lockers in fairly well modded weekend toys they have had several chinese failures due to "abuse" in fact the very same "abuse" that the ARB lockers copped with no damage. We all abuse our 4x4s to some extent otherwise we would always take the chicken track. I use mine primarily for hunting and at no time do I think it might be nice to be broken down in the back corner of a 100,000+acre property due to some inferior crap letting me down. You might also note that most farmers in the more remote regions drive Toyota not great walls.

You get what you pay for its as simple as that, I am also a boilermaker and have repaired plenty of crap that was bought in china because of the attractive price. Note that most of the Chinese crap was brand new and needed to be repaired/modified before it could even be put into service.

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I'm not questioning post but I spent literally 6 months scouring the net trying to find one person who owned a chinese locker and had it failed. I found none. But I did find plenty who wanted to put their unfounded two cents in and write them off. Hey, they might be crap! They might not! I guess I will find out. Its had a fair bit of abuse and so far so good.

I've said this over and over again:

If you don't have one of these lockers fitted then please don't comment.

This thread is for real first person information on a product not hearsay and speculations.

Im pretty sure that nearly every mechanical part has been copied and refined over and over ever since humans have had steel.

(ps: a mate has a broken arb air locker in his GU right now)

Then all this thread would say is
" mine hasn't broken yet !"

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Originally Posted by liftlid

Then all this thread would say is
" mine hasn't broken yet !"

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And yes I think that is what's ment by the word "update" in the title.
Or
It would say "it broke after this amount of k's with this type of use".

But by your thinking that would mean every product review would day "mine hasn't broken yet".

Im just interested in seeing facts not the boring old ya get what ya pay for statments

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Originally Posted by taslucas

And yes I think that is what's ment by the word "update" in the title.
Or
It would say "it broke after this amount of k's with this type of use".

But by your thinking that would mean every product review would day "mine hasn't broken yet".

Im just interested in seeing facts not the boring old ya get what ya pay for statments

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I've been having a good chuckle reading other opinions

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Originally Posted by taslucas

And yes I think that is what's ment by the word "update" in the title.
Or
It would say "it broke after this amount of k's with this type of use".

But by your thinking that would mean every product review would day "mine hasn't broken yet".

Im just interested in seeing facts not the boring old ya get what ya pay for statments

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I agree.....

I have been running mine for a little while now and have done some big trips and a few tough tracks.
So far I have had no issues except for sorting air leaks and have only done one oil change and there was a very small amount of metal on the magnet but nothing different from changing oil on a stock diff.

Before the xmas I plan to do another oil change and will see what the oil is like then.

I have a lot to learn when it comes to picking the right time to use it as I know using any locker in the wrong situation can cause it or other components to break..

I will give another update at the end of January. ..

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Originally Posted by Bloodyaussie

I have been running mine for a little while now and have done some big trips and a few tough tracks.
So far I have had no issues except for sorting air leaks and have only done one oil change and there was a very small amount of metal on the magnet but nothing different from changing oil on a stock diff.

Before the xmas I plan to do another oil change and will see what the oil is like then.

I have a lot to learn when it comes to picking the right time to use it as I know using any locker in the wrong situation can cause it or other components to break..

I will give another update at the end of January. ..

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SHOULDA GOT A 4WDSYSTEMS LokkA man :)

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Originally Posted by growler2058

SHOULDA GOT A 4WDSYSTEMS LokkA man :)

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Meh.....!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by growler2058

SHOULDA GOT A 4WDSYSTEMS LokkA man :)

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I don't think he's into guys.........?

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Originally Posted by taslucas

I don't think he's into guys.........?

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He's not named Cuddles for no reason...

So what ever happened to the group buy?

Was there a group buy happening?

I figured it was bag the china lokka thread.
@ BA you engage a locker before you need it,
not when you need it then its too late and puts big stress on "stuff"
Then just idle your way through

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Originally Posted by threedogs

I figured it was bag the china lokka thread.
@ BA you engage a locker before you need it,
not when you need it then its too late and puts big stress on "stuff"
Then just idle your way through

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I would be more inclined to use it on a "case by case" basis. eg. look at the track, decide to try without locker (tbh can still/is a lot of fun) and if you get through, sweet, if not, flick the locker on. But in other cases, you might look at the track and decide you want the locker for the whole thing.

I do get what you saying, but a locker can also get you in trouble, not just out.

Having said that mate I have found when using the locker over not using it you can tackle the same obstacle at a lower speed putting less stress on other components and also going slower your not throwing the car around too.

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Originally Posted by mudski

Having said that mate I have found when using the locker over not using it you can tackle the same obstacle at a lower speed putting less stress on other components and also going slower your not throwing the car around too.

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For sure, no doubt in that at all. Really just comes down to terrain (obviously) and how you drive. I dont go thrashing through the tracks majority of the time, cause i dont need to and i dont have a locker (other times is cause is fun) Tossing up whether i actually want 1 or not. (thats a lie, of course i want 1 :P)

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Originally Posted by lhurley

For sure, no doubt in that at all. Really just comes down to terrain (obviously) and how you drive. I dont go thrashing through the tracks majority of the time, cause i dont need to and i dont have a locker (other times is cause is fun) Tossing up whether i actually want 1 or not. (thats a lie, of course i want 1 :P)

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You know you want one!!!!
Ask BA about breaking a control arm on a particular hill because to do this hill he had to go second gear and floor it. All the bouncing around ripped the arm off the diff. Did this same hill with the locker and yep, nothing broke.
See this vid. Of course the camera doesn;t do it justice.BA I think has footage of the same hill when he broke his car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlYljJuXtFc

and back down the same hill..... This you can kinda see how it was...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf1BdsDrH4c

that's the beauty of a locker, agree case by case or track by track assessment.
Had double lockers in my last 4x4 for over 15 years, 100% agree with Mudski I idled everywhere
and made it. No track damage no repair bill at the top of the hill either,
love them just waiting on my Pro-locker to arrive

Here it is... excuse the old rookie mistake from Georges mate of holding the phone the wrong way!!!

The loud crack you hear is my lower control arm breaking and having to ratchet strap it back for a long slow drive home!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he_UFTvEzOc

How do you know which locker to buy on their website?

Chinasoong

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