how did you (tie) the straps together????Quote:
Originally Posted by BIGARCH
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how did you (tie) the straps together????Quote:
Originally Posted by BIGARCH
Gotta be a knot, as tiedowns don't have a loop to join with a rolled up magazine.
FAIL!!
This is the safe way to join two straps.
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i missed the (ratchet (ratsh!t) strap part .......strike me sideways ....huge FAILQuote:
Originally Posted by the ferret
If you watch the video closely, the strap hasnt actually broken, the pin has sheared (or bent) sending the strap and pin into that vehicles headlight.Quote:
Originally Posted by the ferret
Then he getts his recovery hitch insert out lol
Wow, I've never known the pin to shear using the strap like that, dunno about anyone else but the pin did look a bit flimsy, and he wasn't going at it like a banshi, looked like a pretty steady pull to me.
So there ya go, it can happen.
they have a metal hook on one end hooked both the metal hooks together and tied knots on the vehicle end.Quote:
Originally Posted by nowoolies
OHHHHH no, That could be a very big OUCH!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BIGARCH
strewth mate ..ABSOLUTLY no metal parts in the middle of recovery gear at all ever , sorry sounding like a nag.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIGARCH
and always use a rated recovery point and line dampers and a few of them to boot . even your jumper tied around the strap.
strewth im sounding like my mum hahahahahaahahhaah
No mate, even though u sound like a old woman what your saying is spot on and very wise. unfortunatly for me I learnt the hard way $650 for windows and a mate that if hit him he could be dead. if only i heard you say this that could have been $650 spent on my MQ instead of on a mates piece of junk 4 runners windows, good to let everyone know.Quote:
Originally Posted by nowoolies
No one knows everything mate and It's good that your taking this on board for sure!Quote:
Originally Posted by BIGARCH
Back in my teens we were sloppy and careless with recovery gear and even used local farmers fencing wire to tow vehicles and after reading all of this information you just cringe some times...haha
Well everyone we have had a WIN, it has been removed from sale............I would like to thank everyone that assisted in getting this removed before someone was injured or worse..
Excellent job Doggy well done mate
Well, NEARLY!! see active listing below.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dogman
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/4WD-SNATC...item45f5813fbd
INCLUDES:
- 1 Heavy Duty canvas carry bag
- 1 stamped and rated shackles 3.25 ton
- 1stamped and rated universal towball mountable shackle 4.75 ton
- 1 Snatch Strap 8000kg 9m x 60mm
- 1 cable/strap dampener (air brake)
Sorry fellas, but the show is not over till the fat lady sings!
This guy is keen, the treat of litigation would surely be enough to take those shackles off the market.
This whole discussion has made me rethink the way I have been doing things. There is room for improvement so I will do recoveries better and safer.
Macca
Thanks Macca, the more people that we reach with this the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by macca
Just rang ACCC, they will get back to me today.............................I am really pi55ed off with this sort of stuff now (even more than before)Quote:
Originally Posted by the ferret
I am not going to rest now until all this sort of cr@p has been stopped..
Well done though Doggy!
Spoke to Daniel from ACCC and hopefully we can do something about these so called "recovery packs", sent him a email with the link that Rod posted, he would like a full report of all the info that we have so I will do that tomorrow after work.
These are back on ebay, I would urge anyone looking to purchase recovery gear to stay away from these kits.http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/4x4-RECOV...item2a138ea893
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/4WD-SNATC...item45f5813fbd
Both of these kits carry the so called "towball safe shackle"
snatching using the towball as a recovery point can and has been DEADLY.
If you already have one of these kits, please do not put ANY faith in the towball and the shackle method of attaching the strap to a vehicle.
The ferret
This is really starting to pi55 me off, got no job at the moment so I will concentrate on this project for now.....:furious:Quote:
Originally Posted by the ferret
Just sent Daniel from the ACCC a link to this thread, as it has all of the information that they will require.
I've spelled it out on 4wd Action as well Doggy, onya mate.
Just received this from Daniel:
Dear Wayne
Thanks for the information. I have forwarded the information on to our Product Safety team, including news of the recent death in Geraldton. I believe they are looking into the issue.
If you wish to speak to someone directly, you would be able to catch them during Eastern States business hours through the Infocentre number of 1300 302 502. The best person to speak to would be Mr Glenn Probyn.
Regards
Daniel Kilderry
Senior Investigations Officer
ACCC WA Regional Office
(08) 9325 0609
Well done Doggy, I sure hope that something is done about it, we can't have people die, just because some sellers have no conscience.
What enters their mind that makes them decide to market something so deadly as a towball safe shackle?.
They obviously never take their head out of the nose bag long enough to see what is going on around them!!
Be interesting to see how this all pans out I reckon. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Shackle, its design or rating within itself and also one of my pet hates is that so many people only think "Snatch Strap" when the word "Recovery" is used. The vast majority of my recovories involve a belt under the ear from the Missus, a long handled shovel and some sweat.
Anyway... What IS wrong IMHO is that the Shackle is being sold as part of a Snatch Recovery Kit and the upshot of that is that the Kit has to have Mandatory Warnings saying don't use a Towball as an attachement point for a Snatch Strap. Thats why I made the comment waaaay back that the dude will probably get sued in a civil action for facilitating the use of the Tow Ball for a Snatch recovery by including them in a Snatch Recover Kit.
There is no such mandatory warning requirement for Winching or Towing etc.
Indeed the manufacturer is probably correct in his assertion that the Shackle is an excellent option for attaching a tow rope to a vehicle. Lets face it, if you are towing, I stress towing not snatching, and the Ball snaps it is immaterial if the tow attachment method was a Tow Hitch, Tow Ball Shackle, Rope or the belt off the jolly green Giant looped over the Ball.
Bottom line is that if the product is not used in conjunction with a Snatch Strap it is a legit solution and dare I even say a good idea. Whether any outlet refuses to stock and sell the thing or individuals refuse to purchase or use them as a gesture towards promoting safer 4X'ing is another issue.
As I said, 'twill be interesting but I'd bet money that the device isn't marketed with a Snatchie after the ACCC have a look. As for a total ban, well, I'm not sure about that...
Nice work raising awareness lads.
I'm over on Stradbroke Island right now and over the last week have been constantly reminded that you don't require common sense or 2 IQ points to rub together to own a 4WD or get a permit for beach access.
Classic example today... Saw two lolux/ute type vehicles with road tires traveling together. One got stuck at the entry to our campsite. No digging, no air reduction, brand new snatch strap straight onto the tow ball and out after several gos.
Same vehicle a couple of hrs later got bogged again in the same place! I walked over whilst he was airing down his lo profile road tires and said "mate, do you want to try digging it out before a tow ball recovery? He didn't even look up and grunted through gritted teeth "no". So I walked away and cleared some kids out of the area.
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Well, they got out without a dampener, without digging and without utilising rated recovery points. At least they didn't hurt anyone.....
Nob heads!!!!!
This has been posted elsewhere, but will be of some interest:
A mate doing testing on snatch straps as part of an engineering degree, found the following re "shock" loadings on snatching "Hit the 8 tonne limit about 14 km/hr, around 13 tonne at about 21 km/hr. Exceeded the SWL of 2x rating (theoretically) at about 27 km/hr"
Well this is a good thread, as i didnt realise or even consider the ball breaking,
But i have always looked for stronger hitch points, if avail, ie all 4x4s have em, and almost every car,
this is a great site for tips and tricks, like lookin arround
Don't confuse tie down points with recovery points mate they can have the same bullet effect as a towball!!!
Hi Guys ,just a thanks for this thread. I'm on my first fourby as is my mate. I have advised all my mates that before our next adventure we are all to have the proper hitch. no excuses. Cheers.
Top effort mate, keep up the good work cos yer a long time dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Choicebro
Cheers, the ferret.
Well done mate, that is the most important thing that this forum is about........ promoting safety and awarenessQuote:
Originally Posted by Choicebro
The strange thing is I always thought it was illegal to leave the towball and tongue on the vehicle unless it was being used to tow a trailer. I always take mine off, and curse others when I hit my shin on theirs.
I also wonder about the fatigue factor. You might get away with the snatch, but will the hitch/ball still handle a sudden stop with your prized boat or van hitched up?
I love reading this thread. Not a lot of people belong to dedicated 4wd forums and just know know the consequences of their actions.
Read my signature to remind yourself what it's all about.
Take care out there.
Rossco
I agree with you Ross, so like all of the comments that this thread has generated and hopefully the injuries that we have preventedQuote:
Originally Posted by DX grunt
I have noticed that a few of our members have copied DX Grunts signature, I would encourage all members to copy it and add it to theirs..
Well done Ross, thanks heaps mate
Spoke to a fella the other day who did not realise the danger of using a tow ball.
His basic misunderstanding stems from a tow ball can handle the forces of a heavy trailer so should be able to handle a recovery.
Sent him the links from this topic, interested to find out if he has changed his mind now.
Might save a possible nasty accident.
Macca
Good on you Macca, the more that we get it out there the less people could be injured or worseQuote:
Originally Posted by macca
So good to know not to use the towball!