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you need to run a CAT you wouldnt notice the difference it would be minimum.
There are many high flow CATs on the markets, I had a 3" done first and did the
high flow CAT later , didnt notice any difference, with a fine of say $200k I would
run a Cat
Yeah I was told by an exhaust shop that a metallic core is better than a ceramic core too. Cant remember the reason behind it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigguwesty
Its a smoother profile.Quote:
Originally Posted by mudski
The course surface of ceramic makes friction and turbulence.
Not great for efficiency.
Rang a couple of exhaust places this morning. One quoted about $1K, the other $1500. More than I was hoping to pay, but by the time I get an eBay zorst, pay for that & freight and get it fitted I'll be near $1K anyway.
The $1500 was a complete end to end custom build, going around everything that's in the way, using (something that I'm still not 100% sure what it is) heavier flex bellows (??) so the zorst has better support, flow through muffler etc. Not stainless, alumised steel. I'm past all this under car work type work now, and the appeal of paying more for a walk in walk out thing is inviting. And if it falls to pieces I can take it back say "fix this". My stock 2" zorst is already rubbing on my oversize rear shocks, a custom build wouldn't.
Hmmm.
I gotta get some guages soon.
I'm almost at that point when you say bugger it and just take the plunge.
Thank you all very much for your help & advice, it's greatly appreciated.
Ring Manumatic exhausts. They are the makers of Redback and do sell direct. They make two ranges, one they call their Dinkum Exhaust and the other, erm not sure, Extreme I think, but its the best of the best in terms of cats, mufflers and flange setups.Quote:
Originally Posted by 10G
Kinda off topic. It would be real interesting to do a dyno run on two identical zorsts, but one using mandrel bends and one not. I would safely bet there is f.a difference when fitted to a Patrol.
Have you decided where and what style gauges you will use ,if you
go the pillar pod route I may be able to help a bit.
No I haven't yet. I have a mobile phone holder/coupler where the pillar pod goes. I may go with a single combined round gauge or 2 rectangular digital gauges, not too sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by threedogs
I checked out the Extreme online. With muffler & cat, around $1250.Quote:
Originally Posted by mudski
If you want another idea you can use a tripple pod on top of the dash,
I have water temp ,,,volt and clock the first 2 are red digital its just
velcroed onto the dash pad
think I may settle on a dual egt/boost gauge by redarc. couldn't find any autometer gauges, nor mcnally gauges. I sent McNally a message to see if they have any distributors down here and also shipping costs from the US.
I nearly bought the tripple with oil pressure..Quote:
Originally Posted by 10G
Also fit exhaust yourself.
Or I'll help.
Hand mine out and in in a matter of 3-4 hours..
My playtime kit was $650 delivered.
Do you realise what you said???? That's a very kind offer Kallen. I'll be in touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigguwesty
You can buy direct from Mcnally. The price of their gauge worked out close to the price of two separate gauges and a pillar pod. And around the same as a Redarc. Which in my opinion theres too much to look at on the Redarc. Plus from what i saw, the Redarc boost gauge is a digital readout. Much easier to quickly read a needle jumping around imo.
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@10G these dual and tripple gauges going around just to save space,
I think like Mark there is too much going on in a small space, I like
my red digital easy to read on a sunny day, and both the volt and water
temp have alarms. I love em,,,lol
I wouldnt buy a digital boost dont know why, just think being able to see
the needle move makes it easier to set your spool up rate
Right on the money there John. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much easier. A digital boost gauge makes it hard to spot boost bounce too. Not that its an actual issue, but some think it is. Another story....Quote:
Originally Posted by threedogs
I too agree, I like a needle, the redarc is pretty smooth though
Yeah I agree. I'm stuffed for space though. I see I can buy the McNally gauges on Amazon in the States now so that may be a goer.
Your idea with the velcro has got me thinking about mounting things with velcro, cable ties etc TD, it just has to stay still and not rattle. I was thinking of some way mounting 2 guages on the steering wheel shroud (inbetween the sterring wheel and dash) and having them attach via velcro so you can easily remove them when needed.
You can buy the McNally direct from them, without going through Amazon.
Hey Mark did you buy a McNally holder for your gauge?? Oh and did you go for the 6' or 9' thermocouple lead??
Just bought a 52mm single gauge cup from the local speed shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by 10G
And go for the longer lead. Also if you do decide on the McNally, remote mount the boost sensor. I killed two sensors from mounting them directly on the motor. So i remote mounted the sensor and ran a hose from the sensor to the motor.
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These tickle my fancy ...
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AUTOMETER...AAAOSwbqpT34N1
A bit of a waste having two gauges when you can spend less and get both in one.Quote:
Originally Posted by 10G
Yeah, I know. I've contacted them twice via their web site form, can't find an email address anywhere, and on Facebook. I can't get a cost for shipping from the US and don't like dealing/buying from companies overseas unless I've been able to contact them.
I have a trip coming up in 6 weeks and need all this work done b4 then, hence looking at other vendors. I actually like mechanical gauges, I like their simplicity. The search continues....
I'll see if i can find his email.
Oh, yep, thanks Mark, that'd be great.
I cut up 2 cans today to be about the same size as 2 x 52mm guages, I may be able to fit the in front of the speedo & taco????
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I can easily put my fingers inbetween the end of the cans and the speedo front fascia.
I dunno, they may fit?? Not sure about routing cables/hoses etc, don't know how crap that'll end up looking???
I saw 2 vids on Youtube today comparing mechanical Vs electrical boost gauges. The mechanical gauges seem much more responsive.
If I can't get a McNally I'm leaning towards 2 x VDO mechanical gauges.
Also built this today, a cage for my 50L water bladder ...
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Yeah just one gauge is better between the speedo and tacho i think.Quote:
Originally Posted by 10G
4x4 concepts is the mob who make the pillar pods i think.
I got a factory defect pod for half the price from them. Unfortunately i cant access my old laptop which has the email address of the guy in the states for the gauge. Everytime i turn it on it just freezes....
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Finally getting some stuff sorted out.
I'm getting one of these EGT gauges:
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And using the Boost guage on my phone via the Torque app for the time being. I may even end up buying an old Android phone and running Torque on that and wiring that in some how, not sure yet. Or I may just buy a Boost gauge.
Not sure which zorst to get, or I should say what configuration?
I'd like to not have a muffler, just because of the restriction is presents. Anyone know what hotdogs in these 3" systems sound like?? I'm starting to think I may just buy anything just so I get started.
Its a 3ltr so no muffler and it wont be loud. It will drone but only very little.
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Ordered the exhaust system last night, 3" with a resonator and hi flo cat. It's all coming together....
Be interesting to see how your exhaust goes against mine for noise..Quote:
Originally Posted by 10G
Yeah it will be. They've already shipped the zorst, those Playtime folks are pretty responsive, I'm impressed so far. Think my EGT gauge may arrive tomorrow, the plan is to fit that this weekend, the zorst may even arrive before the weekend, I'll be amazed if it does, but it may.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigguwesty
Mine was 4 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by 10G
Was stocked lol
Max temps you'll see are 650 tops you wont need a gauge that goes to 1200 cQuote:
Originally Posted by 10G
Pm if you go pillar pod way.
Yeah, I know, to be honest I got tired of looking. Alot of the EGT gauges don't give you much definition, EG some go up in increments of 2 degrees so to spot a minor difference is pretty hard. At least this one has a nice big digital display. It's a ridgey didge Autogauge. The supplier said they are supposed to be very accurate, we'll see ho we go I guess.
I PMd ya.
Look what was waiting for me when I got home. 1 day in the post, buy on Tuesday, receive on Wednesday, that just doesn't happen down here ...
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Now with the 3" exhaust, is there anything I should do? What I mean is, I think I can remember reading that you can over boost or something, I can't remember exactly what the problem was, does anyone know?
Yeah you will more than likely see over boost issues. I'm not sure with the CRDs if you will get limp mode or not. But the CEL will probably come on too.
Will the over boosting cause any damage to anything??? And if limp mode kicks in, can that be cleared with scanguage or the Torque app??Quote:
Originally Posted by mudski
The crd runs hotter.Quote:
Originally Posted by threedogs
I've seen 650 a few times..
I only had free spooling issues when coasting.Quote:
Originally Posted by 10G
The ecu held 15-16psi fine..
That was with the egr blocked.
A few don't have it blocked and have no issues. .