And I would sit next to you and hand spanners ha ha ha oh and beer lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Clunk
Thanks for the tip bout the wheel Roofylol
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And I would sit next to you and hand spanners ha ha ha oh and beer lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Clunk
Thanks for the tip bout the wheel Roofylol
nah bugger that, sounds too hard hahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by threedogs
Is holding pressure in the cooling system really that bad?
Mine holds pressure for up to 2 days or more, but still runs normally and does not use coolant.
It did start to over heat late last year, but that was the viscus fan hub, changed that and no more over heating.
Good info thanks Paul, thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by paulyg
@ Clunk I take it you like to watch,,,,,,,thats just sick lol
Yours is "boiling" over though isn't it John? It's pushing coolant out the overflow not just holding pressure?Quote:
Originally Posted by paulyg
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Originally Posted by threedogs
>>>tappin from tassie
Its been getting warm,,, as I normally pull over before things get too hot
Somethings up thats for sure. Hopefully I can find something out of whack over the weekend
With the thermostat gasket, is it just a thin layer of RTV or just use the gasket dry,??
What kind of temps are we talking about here.Quote:
Originally Posted by threedogs
Theres no gasket just an oring around the thermostat. Bitta goo wont hurt though. If you can hold out until next week i could come over for a couple of hours. My days are busier than ever now i have to take two kids to two different schools, run the store inbetween, then pick them up again.Quote:
Originally Posted by threedogs
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Sounds good as Irish has offered as well.
I'm lying to myself about being able to do anything.
Can't swing on a spanner as that will hurt, that's why
I brought the 12v wheel nut remover.
I'll plod along and do some of the easier stuff like remove the radiator
Again thanks for the offer, means a lot,
I got the Jack out and a stand to put under the chassis, just waiting
on one of my sons to help, Bit hard as one works on the weekend and the other has a broken wrist lol
Gets a bit painful pumping the jack so Ill have to pump it with my leg.Getting the wheel off is easy
as I have a great 12v wheel nut remover, one that winds up then thumps, had it over 20 years easy.
Fully rebuildeable if anyone has one, anyway Action stations tomorrow eh, lol
John you say that your electrical fan the a/c one won't go on. That fan should always go on when the a/c is on regardless of temp. Do a simple test, start it up and turn in the a/c on. That will at least eliminate one possible cause.
Missed this post last night, so far Ive jacked it up and placed a stand under it.
then came inside for some meds ..this is not funny any more, Thanks Jay see
will do fan test now.
So fans don't come when I push air con, Is this just a fuse and where is it
or is it a relay., fingers crossed,
If this is all it was thought the power was still too good to have a cracked head.
we'll see eh
Still need to remove the clogged thermostat
I'd say the fan may play a small part but it's only to assist the ac condenser..
I'd say your issue is the additive.. it's blocked somewhere.. hopefully the thermostat..
Its not the additive as it did it with no additive in itQuote:
Originally Posted by biggqwesty
I believe its blocked now thats why I need someone to remove it,
the thermostat housing that is.
Remember what you tell everyone, the KISS principle.Quote:
Originally Posted by threedogs
Looking to see if the fan comes on when the aircon is turned on is a way of seeing if the fan is working. If it's not coming on when the aircon is turned on then it's likely it's not coming on ever which could be the reason the cooling system overheats.Quote:
Originally Posted by biggqwesty
John, when the vehicle is hot and idling, does the fan come on? When was the last time you saw/heard the fan going?
Ie; the cooling system may be borderline effective and not quite working well enough without the thermo fan to help
>>>tappin from tassie
Cant for the life in me remember when I last heard the fans working.
Idling and HWY work will see the temps recover, so now I need to get
the head repair goo out behind the thermostat, and maybe change a fuse here and a relay there maybe
The A/C elec fan not coming on won't be the cause of the overheating.
In the ZD30 up to about series 7 or 8 the fan is controlled by the ECU (IIRC later ZD30's don't have the elec fan)
A/C off, coolant below 100 deg = Fan off
A/C on, coolant below 100 deg = Fan on
A/C off, coolant above 100 deg = Fan on
I don't know much past that about the ZD's as I haven't seen one that ever had a problem
The TD's I know very well 'cause of the propensity for them to overheat anywhere north of Antarctica
If the fan doesn't come on at all I would suspect;
The Fuse (30 amp jobbie in the engine fuse box IIRC)
The Relay (cooling fan relay#1 in the relay box beside the battery)
The Fan (check the voltage at the fan plug) if that is OK then the fan is shagged
Thanks ET. Still need to get the thermostat housing off to back flush the system,
untill then Im knackered {staying put}
I am finding this thread to be frustrating and confusing. ...
There seems to be no set processes as to trouble shooting this issue....
You chop and change your thinking and i have not seen any test and result with clear answers.?
Did you do the coke bottle test with the cooling system.? I may have missed it if you did.
Also from my experience with that stuff you you put into your engine is it does increase engine temps and causes restrictions in your cooling system.
Has this car ever had a major overhaul of its cooling sytem..eg radiator out and serviced properly. . New hoses and thermostat. ?
What happened to the guy you said you had coming to look at it or did i miss read this.?
As for ppl coming and looking its not like I ring a bell and they arrive,,,,, it's when they are available.
Pretty sure the cooling system is stock with no overhauls.
As for the goo they say it cannot raise temps or block anything.
Im at the mercy of others I cant stand for any period of time etc
Again I have to wait till ppl are free.
Yes the coke battle was the first thing to do
All i want at this stage is the thermostat housing removed and inspected
again I have to wait till someone is free to do it.
Some have put up their hands but that is for next week end
Hey TD, there is a lot of talk about electric fans. The main cooling fan is (was?) the viscose mechanical fan on the water pump. Unless you have changed something, that is how the 3.0DDi are built, so the electric fan does not matter.
Here are the steps to remove the thermostat from the Gregorys repair manual:--
To remove thermostat you need to 1) drain the system, 2) disconnect the lower radiator hose, 3) remove air intake hose, 4) remove rear shroud, then front shroud. Now you can get to the thermostat housing.
Manual also recommends removing the underneath stone guard as part of step one, and have the vehicle jacked up for easier access. Jack stands please!!!
I don't know anything about wheel removal, but it sounds OK instead of jacking up.
Sorry I am nowhere near you.
So what wa the outcome of the coje bottle test?.......... cant see it anywhere in this threadQuote:
Originally Posted by threedogs
Hey John curious what the result was? Once bled, there were no bubbles??Quote:
Originally Posted by threedogs
Edit: Clunkmaster beat me to it.
Thanks Doc again at the mercy of others. I will be asking the guy up the road
if he can do it for me,
So were there bubbles or not?
I"ll do again right now
OK 50 mins later cold car didn't even get to temp until I moved it and temps were straight up to mid 90s
No bubbles but I suspect the thermostat is blocked with this copper matting material.{see pic}
Thats why I want the thermostat housing off and back flush it.100% sure the thermostat is blocked
as Ive been saying all along.
All I need to do now is wait till somebody is available to remove it for me.
I know nobody that would be willing to do it unfortunately
I thought you said the head was stuffed...
Now i said that the stuff you put in raised temps either by blocking the radiator or elsewhere in the cooling system.
Is your viscous fan working properly... this is where i would be looking next.
Strewth... WTF is that copper stuff?
Fan does not work that I know of, according to that air-con test.
which ever way I look at it he thermostat still need to come out.
Don't think I've ever heard the fans working
Its a product called Rislone head repair you tip it into the cooling systemQuote:
Originally Posted by the evil twin
and let it idle for 15mins with the heater on full and fan flat out.
It goes in as a copper soup and turns into a copper type matting.
I emailed the guy about if my motor was suitable and it was , criteria
if it can idle for 1/2hr with out boiling your in,
That air con electric fan doesn't really do a whole lot. Majority of your cooling comes from the vicious (clutch) fan on the front of the motor.
Easy to test viscous fan, simplest with the car OFF, try spin the fan by hand. It should stop fairly quickly. If it's keeps spinning easily then it's buggered.
Or if you are driving and the engine temp rises while idling but drops once you start moving, the fan in buggered.
I understand that funds are short for you, but the cooling system really needs some love. Having just done my own I am happy to report that I no longer have any temp issues.
You might have a few little things that are adding up to 1 big thing, over heating.
First get that copper sh!t out of the system. Clean fluid and then see what happens. Also, coolant actually does help. It raises the boiling point of water. Just grab a bottle of concentrate (5 liters) and put half in and top up with water. If you need to drop the coolant again you still have some ready to go.
If it were me i would remove the radiator and get it professionally clean before anything. Especially like a thermostat change. As this is a big pain in the ass to do. The repair shop will be able to tell you if its blocked or not.
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From memory mate when i had the zd the fan only comes on when the a/c condenser reaches a certain temp. I know mine didnt always come on. It would go on and off with the a/c idle up. Which is activated by the a/c condenser temp.Quote:
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Anyone changed a water pump on one of these?
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I asked about the viscous fan john not the aircon...
That stuff you put in i have used when it was 100% confirmed i had done a head in the pertol engine and it really is only an emergency solution.
Now i thought you had more of an understanding of mechanics with the amount of advice you offer to others but this does not seem to be the case the cooling system is as strong as its weakest point and is a matter of a simple process to diagnose eliminating things as you go..
I understand you have issues when it comes to physically working on your car but you make it hard for people to follow or help with advise when you chop and change... comments like "it got hot im out" is frustrating for those around you as you do not ask for help in any real fashion but hint at people not helping when you need ...
If you want help just state the facts and set a date in which people who might have time can come round and help....
I do a lot of work myself but i also send my car to get worked on and also have it checked properly either by HT's or by JPC.
The viscous fan feel fine it has good resistance
Easy saying send your patrol here and there
I dont get a full pay each week I wish I did.
Im going to doctors ,chemists etc all the time and for the missus
this should have been fixed last week. My "injury" has turned my world up side down
I cant go sending my patrol here and there for repairs its just not on.
I sit here every day hearing ppl saying I done this and that it brings me to tears.
Dont you think Id like a reliable cruiser, with all the bells and whistles, I love my Patrol like no other
As its the one nice thing I have. All I want ATM is the thermostat housing off
so I can get all that copper matting out, Sorry vent over but Im only on a Disability support pension
like some others here
Good luck mateQuote:
Originally Posted by Bloodyaussie