This is the vid I mentioned earlier in the thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhJDsqTH0o8
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This is the vid I mentioned earlier in the thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhJDsqTH0o8
Not all that much gear in a recovery has an SWL, most of the gear will have a B.S. and some will have nothing as there are no Aust Standards to rate against.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fwdpatrol
The SWL of a shackle is not rated for the purpose it is being used IE we are using a device designed and rated for a totally different application that will do the job we want.
99% of users won't know how to care for the gear or derate the shackle SWL depending on Sling Load Angles etc anyway...
The 'name' brand soft shackles usually have a rating some as SWL but most as BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nisshead
As a guide the expected rating is the rope rating times 4 (the shackle is doubled over twice IE 4 strands) divided by the knot strength divided by the safety factor
12mm Dyneema will be 13 tons X 4 equals 50 tons (close enough)
50 tons with a button knot will be about 70% so 35 tons
35 tons with a safety factor of 3 means around 12 tons, 28,000 lbs or 12,000 Kg.
Rough rule of thumb is just treat the Soft Shackle BS as the same as the equivalent Dyneema/Spectra/Amsteel rope BS and you will have heaps of safety factor
Sorry for the hijack, Kallen.
In the vid they were using the soft
shackles on the steel shackle
so were creating another
point of failure. Yes, they are
simple to use but I can't see
the advantage as I use a rolled
up magazine to stop any straps
locking into each other when joined.
Rounding out any recovery
points to accommodate the
soft shackle reduces their
rating and also the amount
of metal to metal contact
if you have to use a steel shackle.
i daunt think you should under ester mate :) them they are made from Ultra-high-molecular-weight polyethylene (in block form it is 15 times more resistant to abrasion than carbon steel)
It has joust gotten cheap enough for the Joe public.
They are used by ships to moor, when moored the rope gets massif shocks, from the ship bouncing of the side of the dock and then shocking the rope.
It is also used by climbers on there nocks witch get wedged in cracks of rooks for the safety line, when they fall all the shock hits the (Ultra-high-molecular-weight polyethylene)
I hope they have a place in 4x4 recovery , it'll stop stupid accidents like the 17yr old kid in NSW from happening,
has anyone heard how he is going??
Any word on the numbers Kallen?
Is the group buy on mate?
Put me back in for 2 please Kallen I'll do some tests as well
and put my findings here
Put me in for 2.
Keen as. If you have never tried to cut 10mm dyneema then I can tell you it's bloody hard work! Not like cutting rope. Hard work.
Not even half way yet so not looking good ey..Quote:
Originally Posted by Chubba
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Originally Posted by biggqwesty
yep I count 22, so I'll make mine 4................. which takes it to 24
Just need to keep bumping this thread up Kallen
Change mine from 2 to 4 Kallen.
And I'll take 4 instead of 2.
Me toooooo. Put mine up to 4 as well
Let's get this happening. That should be 30 now buy my count.
Cheers guys. Much appreciated..
I did mention they come in a range of colours to didn't I? ?
Clunky yours are pink I know that much. Lol
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thanks Katnip, better that baby shit brownQuote:
Originally Posted by biggqwesty
Got that right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clunk
actually pink would be a good colour........ vibrant
I want the pink too.
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Originally Posted by Chubba
ahhhhhhhhh, I see you want to be in the cool gang hey ;) hahahahahahaha
It's just happens to be my colour.....
Not that there's anything wrong with that!
Chubba's and pink just go together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chubba
We got prices on these? I'm interested in a couple maybe I'll grab 4 if they aren't too expensive
Edit: Yeah just read the first post. I'm in for 4
so that should make it 34......... only another 16 to go KallenQuote:
Originally Posted by lucus30
Yep. Not getting much support from the fb pages.
As per norm everyone's a tight ass
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Was that including my 4Quote:
Originally Posted by Clunk
ummmmmm dunno, don't think so, can't remember, but you might want to start up a little list ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by biggqwesty
So have we locked down that they are 12mm and a price yet? Might be happy to increase my order if it's the right product mate.
Will be getting 12mm. They will be 13T breaking strain.
They cost....
still getting that bit.
Shouldn't be much more than a couple of bucks more.
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So so I'm thinking I'll float the last 10.. so if we can get to 40 I'll place the order.
Price is confirmed and as though it was only a minimal amount (have adjusted in first post)
For all those buying 2 I'd say it's safe to say your postage will be $8, for the blokes grabbing 4 it could be $14, will confirm that when their in my hot little hands.
I'll do a count later on to confirm how many more we need.
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@ Kallen received an email from a member of TLCCV about these,, another member has brought some back from the states.
Apparently you can buy a winch extension strap as well, but I cant see the danger potential compared to what is already available.
He did stress it must have a rating all OH&S you know, but would be good to have a very high BS as ET stated earlier on.
Who is tlccv sorry?
And yea I guess why not an extension?? It's really no different to adding more winch rope.
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Toyota Landcruiser Club of Victoria.
Yes you can certainly use a Synthetic rope as a winch extension strap. that is what i have done with my second hand rope.
I have some 25mm yacht rope Ive used in the past no idea on BS but its tough as all get out
Ok so n I've hit a snag.
I've been trying from the start to get a rating certificate for the load rating and today to come back and said there is none.
I'm not willing to purchase something without some sorta testing.
So I'll start hunting again for a different company who can supply shackles with rating cert.
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Originally Posted by biggqwesty
all good Kallen
Farkn what?
Basically there is no rating as such. We all know what it should handle but they actually haven't tested them..Quote:
Originally Posted by Chubba
Ok Kallen. If that's what we need to do we'll leave it in your capable hands mate. Disappointed though. Not in you bud but the people you are dealing with.
The problem is the safety risk with it. If shit hit the fan I can be held responsible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chubba
Not a risk I'm willing to take sorry