Portable butane stoves recalled in NSW

I find it astonishing when told by government departments & other users that something is unsafe that folk respond by saying “well I’ve be using one for X period of time without a problem” as though that is proof to the contrary. If anything, they don’t get safer over time, quite possibly the opposite. The problem with this type of thing - everyone wants a cheap stove & until they have first hand experience of a close shave, or worse. Worse perhaps is to accept they are unsafe, but continue to use them until the fact is demonstrated. I can only hope that if that situation occurs that a close shave is the outcome. For myself I have seen enough evidence to convince me that continued use is a gamble I dont want to take. What you choose to do is up to you.

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Originally Posted by threedogs

@ OD where are they available from ???

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Supercheap and masters sell them. Kmart etc didnt last time I checked

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Originally Posted by liftlid

Just checked the one I have from super cheap is not on banned list, but I could not find the cookers for sale on their website.

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It seems that the model list is a recent addition to that page. Last night when I posted the link it seemed to suggest all of them were to be recalled.
I've noticed mine is not on that list either

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Originally Posted by lucus30

It seems that the model list is a recent addition to that page. Last night when I posted the link it seemed to suggest all of them were to be recalled.
I've noticed mine is not on that list either

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Same, when I looked last night after you posted this thread it looked like all where banned, better go out and check both of mine now

Can anybody give me a link to this site?

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by DX grunt

Can anybody give me a link to this site?

Thanks.

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The link is in the first post Grunt!

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Originally Posted by Winnie

The link is in the first post Grunt!

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Just saw it and was about to delete my post when you interrupted me. lol.

Thanks anyway, Winnie.

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Originally Posted by threedogs

@ OD where are they available from ???

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BigW sell them 4 packs and cartons of 12, cartons are roughly $13 each. Heading down later with wifey to buy some as I didnt realise I was running out

I must of chucked my single burner out when I bought the double.

I have a Jackaroo PL-121-2

They have banned the PL-121 but not the PL-121-2 I assume the one banned is the single burner

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Originally Posted by Cuppa

I find it astonishing when told by government departments & other users that something is unsafe that folk respond by saying “well I’ve be using one for X period of time without a problem” as though that is proof to the contrary. If anything, they don’t get safer over time, quite possibly the opposite. The problem with this type of thing - everyone wants a cheap stove & until they have first hand experience of a close shave or worse prefer to let their experience to date & their wallet convince them of the safety. Worse perhaps is to accept they are unsafe, but continue to use them until the fact is proven. I can only hope that if that situation occurs that a close shave is the outcome. For myself I have seen enough evidence to convince me that continued use is a gamble I dont want to take. What you choose to do is up to you. I’ll say no more about it.

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So you would believe everything that the government and its departments would tell you!!!!! I think not. I know I certainly don't.

Now that there has been an updated list of the burners that are affected, people can now make an informed decision as to whether or not they choose to carry on using what they have or whether they want to purchase a new one.

Me personally, I like to be informed of all the facts before I make a decision.

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Originally Posted by Clunk

So you would believe everything that the government and its departments would tell you!!!!!

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Of course not!!!!!! I’m not stupid. I deliberately included “& other users” in what I said.

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Originally Posted by Winnie

Hahahahaha. I wonder if this ban has something to do with it being so easy to buy the canisters which so many people use as explosives in camp sites?

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Don't buy the ones with a plastic blue ring around the top as its a pressure relief safety thing and they don't go bang.. The blue plastic melts and exposes lots of little holes and it will just flair up.

But hey I wouldn't know i never play with this kinda stuff....

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Originally Posted by Cuppa

I find it astonishing when told by government departments & other users that something is unsafe that folk respond by saying “well I’ve be using one for X period of time without a problem” as though that is proof to the contrary. If anything, they don’t get safer over time, quite possibly the opposite. The problem with this type of thing - everyone wants a cheap stove & until they have first hand experience of a close shave, or worse. Worse perhaps is to accept they are unsafe, but continue to use them until the fact is demonstrated. I can only hope that if that situation occurs that a close shave is the outcome. For myself I have seen enough evidence to convince me that continued use is a gamble I dont want to take. What you choose to do is up to you.

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Maybe just maybe the ones that I used are not on that list,
that may explain why Ive never had a problem with them.
thats my answer if that statment was meant for me and others who have had no problems

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Originally Posted by Cuppa

Of course not!!!!!! I’m not stupid. I deliberately included “& other users” in what I said.

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Well that's ok then and now that a list has gone up showing models that are deemed unsafe, I can now go home tonight and check to see if mine is on the list. If it is, then I will probably dispose of it in the usual Clunk manner, but if it isn't then I will carry on using it.

My choice, same as everyone else, irrespective of what anyone else says or thinks............ but thanks for caring

Mines not on the list, and no recall on the distributors website. Maybe it's ok.

Public warning on portable butane ‘lunchbox’ cookers

4 March 2015

NSW Fair Trading Commissioner Rod Stowe is warning consumers not to buy portable butane ‘lunchbox’ type cookers due to safety issues, including overheating.

“We recommend consumers do not buy portable cookers of this type,” Mr Stowe said.

“Compliance certification for all current models of ‘lunchbox’ type gas cookers has been suspended by the independent safety certifiers and cookers of this type can no longer be sold lawfully in NSW.

“Up to 31 models of butane gas cookers have been withdrawn from sale as they do not meet Australian Standards. Retailers in NSW should no longer be stocking or selling these products.
“Testing, undertaken at the request of NSW Fair Trading and other State gas regulators, has found a fault with the cookers’ shut-off valves, posing a risk that the devices may overheat and could explode.
“These cookers are lightweight and portable and are popular for use in camping and caravanning. They are inexpensive and commonly sell for between $15 and $30.”
Mr Stowe said consumers who have purchased cookers should refrain from using them.
“If these products malfunction they can potentially cause serious injuries and I’d encourage people to stop using them,” he said.
“The cookers should be disposed of in a safe manner, with the butane cylinders disposed of through an appropriate community waste or recycling centre.
“Consumers who have purchased a non-compliant gas cooker and have proof of the purchase should return the product to their retailer and seek a refund of the full purchase price as soon as possible.
“Fair Trading is continuing to work with retailers, manufacturers and other states to ensure products are removed from shelves.
“I’d encourage consumers to notify NSW Fair Trading if they see any devices of this type being sold within stores or by NSW retailers.”

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The TYPE of cooker has been banned from sale in NSW. They cannot ban older models no longer on sale. They clearly refer to TYPE of cooker not just those that they are banning from sale.

I am in no way trying to tell folk what to do, but I am asking that you re-assess your use of these things in light of the now recognised & publicised dangers. They are only safe as long as they don’t malfunction. If they do malfunction the consequences can be severe. It is every owners choice what level of risk they will take & whether they will continue to use their cooker, but if any statements are made suggesting this TYPE of cooker is safe then I would consider them to be irresponsible.

The cookers I know of which exploded pre-dated the list of current models. The cooker I had also. Today I have learned of yet another first hand account of an exploding cooker from someone I know.

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Originally Posted by Clunk

My choice, same as everyone else, irrespective of what anyone else says or thinks............ but thanks for caring

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No need for that Clunk. No one is telling you what to do.

Using the published list of current models banned from sale as a means of convincing yourself that if your cooker is not on the list it must mean it is safe is, I believe, either misinterpreting the published statement or is self deception.

I won’t stop caring though.

... will an earth from the canister to the burner or disconnecting the battery for 30 minutes help?

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Originally Posted by the evil twin

... will an earth from the canister to the burner or disconnecting the battery for 30 minutes help?

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Don't forget about cleaning the maf, it's very important you know

And as a side issue, will your insurance pay for your Patrol or camping trailer if damage to them is caused by a fire resulting from use of that style of cooker?

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Originally Posted by Cuppa

No need for that Clunk. No one is telling you what to do.

Using the published list of current models banned from sale as a means of convincing yourself that if your cooker is not on the list it must mean it is safe is, I believe, either misinterpreting the published statement or is self deception.

I won’t stop caring though.

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Its nice you care cuppa somebody has to

Interesting question about insurance. I'd rather not test it to find out though

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Originally Posted by Clunk

Don't forget about cleaning the maf, it's very important you know

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Well, thanks for that advice... the fireys have just left.
I sprayed the burner with MAF cleaner and the flame front was like an Apollo Moon shot... or are you supposed to do you do it with the Burner off?

P.S. I think I'll side with Cuppa because;
a) he's right, and
b) he cares

Why only nsw ? The qld govt only put a video on utube showing the right way to use one , ie don't use a big pan on a small stove , I'd post a link but I got no idea how !

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Originally Posted by gaddy

Why only nsw ? The qld govt only put a video on utube showing the right way to use one , ie don't use a big pan on a small stove , I'd post a link but I got no idea how !

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http://youtu.be/YKpbS0RhOfw

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Originally Posted by AB

http://youtu.be/YKpbS0RhOfw

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Thanks boss :)

That says more about this nanny state we call nsw than anything.

I probably won't use it. Not sure what to do with 8 cans of butane though.

Two state governments responding to the danger in different ways. The usual arse covering of course, but both also showing a ‘duty of care’. The timing of both state governments doing so close together suggests to me that there has probably been an awful incident.

A guy from our work had a butane gas can explode in hi work van a couple of weeks ago.
It was not one of these cans but a refill can for a gas soldering iron, he accidentally knocked a mounting bracket onto the can and it punctured the side and sparked and boom.
He was very lucky that he only got minor burns and burnt clothing, some fragments of the can embedded into a few things in the van.
Something to consider with the way the cans are stored.

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Originally Posted by the evil twin

P.S. I think I'll side with Cuppa because;
a) he's right, and
b) he cares

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And you are right to do so, after all I'm only good for wallowing in mud holes and running underwater. It's nice that he cares, I'm pretty sure I've said that too.

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Originally Posted by Clunk

And you are right to do so, after all I'm only good for wallowing in mud holes and running underwater. It's nice that he cares, I'm pretty sure I've said that too.

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I didn't know that... can I side with you now please?

P.S. you owe me a can of MAF cleaner and a new pair of undies

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Originally Posted by gaddy

Why only nsw ? The qld govt only put a video on utube showing the right way to use one

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That is because;
a) Qld'rs are expendable as they get replaced by migratory Vic's, and
b) Qld'rs are crap at Rugby League

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Originally Posted by the evil twin

That is because;
a) Qld'rs are expendable as they get replaced by migratory Vic's, and
b) Qld'rs are crap at Rugby League

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Gee and I thought it was because
A) They're the smart ones
B) the stats speak for themselves
C) real beer
D) bundy rum
:):beer:

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Originally Posted by gaddy

Gee and I thought it was because
A) They're the smart ones
B) the stats speak for themselves
C) real XXXX
D) bundy rum
:):beer:

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Bugger... I was still on a Winner until D.
Oh, by the way, I fixed C for you as well... that, that, well, whatever the hell that stuff is, it isn't Beer

Ahhh D
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Ahhh D
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I've had better

How much can a koala bear?

I know what can happen with these exploding and it was NOT user error but a fault in the product

I'll just leave this here....

http://youtu.be/0IpNnPdMCIg

All I'll say to that is was set up and made to explode if it had a small
sauce pan or kettle the flame would not be deflected onto the cannister,
I'm not saying they are safe to use, but that was set up to fail
and it did in a spectacular way

EDIT sometimes up the Murray with cans that have frozen I'll dig a hole down by the river throw
a shovelfull of hot coals in it place the can in and cover it over,
Then run like all get out and wait. Even with about an inch of gas in the can
it will blow a hole in the sand 2 ft square.

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Originally Posted by catchinjack

I know what can happen with these exploding and it was NOT user error but a fault in the product

I'll just leave this here....

http://youtu.be/0IpNnPdMCIg

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That is one hell of an explosion, maybe this will finally convince Cuppa that they are dangerous. :wink:

Edit: I am now going to get rid of mine as I agree they are too risky, might try a controlled explosion like that.

Didn't Cuppa say they were dangerous,,, that was my take on it.