Cuppa I think I will need you to cut one out for me and post it over, I can cover it and screw it together, that's about the only way I will get mine done. Btw looks great!
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Cuppa I think I will need you to cut one out for me and post it over, I can cover it and screw it together, that's about the only way I will get mine done. Btw looks great!
Yeah right! Dream on mate!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stropp
I had under estimated how much stuffing around is involved. Today I reckon I've spent another 3 hours just 'adjusting' things (cutting, drilling, sanding) to get the whole thing to sit right with the two screw on sections in place. Plus the top four screws which hold the original glovebox on were pushing up the bottom of the new one. All sorted now but enough of a hassle to make it a definite one off! And things could still go pear shaped whilst covering it with fabric ..... & I haven't even started on the door yet!
Cuppa
Thats IT!!! I now have to rip mine out and start all over again...
Stopp. Once you get started its not really that hard to do. It's just starting it is the issue. Getting over the nerves of cutting into your dash. But once that first cut is done you get more into it as you can't turn back after that.
LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by mudski
Agreed it's not hard, but it is fiddly & time consuming ....... but we all need things to keep us occupied eh?
@ Cuppa Flat pack one here too please
Meaning all we need is dimentions of all the pieces
to glue and screw together. like blue prints.
No point 8 ppl doing 8 different sizes
Me I'd be fibre glassing all that now and giving it a final shaping [sand]
Edited again is it 9 odd pieces I counted
TD, ya gotta understand the way in which I work! I make it up as I go along..... except in this instance I've borrowed heavily on Mudski's previous & documented experience. I could measure up all the pieces of cardboard I had for the mock up, I could even reproduce them on card or similar........ but they would be of no help to anybody because since cutting out the shapes & fitting them together, most of them have been altered again.... And they don't come apart.
And ya gotta learn to count ...... there's 13 pieces. :) (14 if you include the packing piece) ..... & that doesn't include the piece of auminium angle I cut but forgot to use 'cos i'd already glued & nailed before I found it laying in the foot well .
As for fibreglassing, I'll pass ................ & wait to see what you can come up with. ;)
Cuppa
Would've been a starting place but no biggie, there has to be a product out there similar to POR15 that you can brush over the lot
or varnish and spray with Chook shite. Carpet to me is for Hot rods Still ok but has to be some product out there.
Did alright on my guzintas and take aways too
^^^^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuppa
This.
Same as mine. Even with the sizes it gets altered here and there. Even do what I did cuppa and write the measurements on the wood and take photos. Then people can make their own judgement. As for fibre glassing. A bit too far I reckon. Especially if your going to line the inside of it. Thats why mine looked like a dog's breakfast without the carpet lining. With the lining it looks almost factory. Who cares what it looks like from behind, you won't see it. You don't look at the mantle piece while your stoking the fire...
I should've used the carpet rather than the thinner 'Spotlight' fabric. Being thin wasn't the issue, but rather the fact that it's surface has a raised parallel rib pattern meaning that far more care is required to get things sitting right. Easier said than done on a complex 3D shape. I wasn't born to be an upholsterer (or a dressmaker)! Took me most of the day stuffing around with this (in between herding sheep with newborn lambs around which is only slightly easier than herding cats). I'm reasonably happy with the result, although the black screw caps are more prominent on the fabric than I'd hoped. There will be another 3 at the back when the box is fitted in place which unfortunately don't line up the others. Maybe I'll do without the black caps? If doing it again (which I won't be) I'd choose black rather than 'Charcoal'covering. There is a lip at the front of the rear shelf, but it's hard to see in the pic. Socket is a USB port for charging the iPad.
Flaps of fabric at bottom front & sides are to be finished once box is installed.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...013/05/139.jpg
Cuppa
Try the local upholsterer/trimmer for offcuts. That is literally how much you will use. Potentially free as well.
It's all stuck on now ....... I won't be re-doing it!Quote:
Originally Posted by P4trol
I reckon it looks better without the black caps.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...013/05/140.jpg
Looks good Cuppa, much better without the black caps.
Wish I could do the same but have a air bag in the way.
Just remove it with a hammer!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TPC
Before you go to much further what about internal LED light of some description.
Looking good BTW
Its a glove box and probably closed 90% of the time, wouldn't be worrying about black caps.
Maybe consult YsL
Understatement!Quote:
Originally Posted by mudski
But with your help & an ingenious way to get the holes in the right place I'm getting there. The 'door' is hinged on & sitting quite nicely, but I can't really do any more until the box is secured in place, which needs the USB socket which I bought off ebay to first be installed. I'm waiting for the postman to deliver it.
Having cut the hinges as per Mudski, I ended up deciding not to use them. I was going to but my method of determining the hinge hole position in the dash convinced me that a pair of self tapper screws would do just as good a job. The hardest part was working out where to drill the two holes in the 'door'. Clearly they needed to be absolutely symmetrical, but determining the position was basically guess work. Having the 'tabs at the bottom corners of the aperture in the dash made the job more difficult as with my head in the position of the original glove box, looking up at the inside of the new 'door', those bloody little tabs obscured my view. In the end I drilled one hole in the 'door' & then stuffed around with vernier callipers for a while in an attempt to match the position on the other side of the door. Whoever said that this job was easy was over stating their case! It's damned hard & stressful & in my case done without the soothing effects of beer!
Anyway I was smart enough to drill those two holes with the the smallest drill bit I had, a 2mm one, based on the thought that if I stuffed up, at least I'd probably get a second go. It was fortuitous that the 2mm holes were just the right size to allow the shaft of some 1/8th rivets to poke through. To determine the hole position in the dash I first sharpened the ends of the rivet shafts to a point on my bench grinder & then pushed them through the holes. With the points poking through the holes I then dipped each point into a tube of engineers blue, just a tad, & then withdrew each rivet until the point was just hidden. Once the 'door' was in position on the dash I was able, from inside, to push each sharpened pin against the dash & withdraw it, leaving a tiny blue spot. The point prevented the 'blue' messing up the dash (It would be hard to remove). I then drilled two 2mm holes in the dash, & used the (now wiped clean) rivets to poke through, creating temporary hinges, to evaluate my work, with which I was pleased to say "YES! you little beauty" aloud to myself.
Of importance was the fact that at this point the lower section of the door had NOT been trimmed, this allowed it to sit as Mr Nissan had intended. I later trimmed it, & the top lip, as per Mudski's instructions. The holes have now been enlarged to 4.8mm diameter, just fractionally bigger than the self tappers I've used. The holes in the dash are smaller to ensure the screws go in tightly, so that the srews don't turn as the 'door' is opened & shut.
Talking of Mudski's instructions, I am still kicking myself for not re-reading them before attacking the inside of the 'door' with the angle grinder. I should have left it, I was tired & weary, just the right scenario in which to make silly mistakes, & yep, I made a silly mistake. Mudski cut off all the plastic 'mounting posts' except one, which he left to mount the magnet for the latch on. I cut them all off, & then cursed ..... loudly. I am hopeful that I can build up a base to fix to the inside of the door with adhesive, but the inside is roughened from the angle grinder so I'm not certain that loctite 406 will work. I have been experimenting with various adhesives on the bits of dash from when I cut the hole, but I'm not totally certain that it is the same pastic as that used in the 'door'. If worst comes to the worst I'll use epoxy to attach a piece of timber & some carpet attached with contact adhesive to reinforce it. Having been learning a lot about polyolefins & the difficulty in in gluing them!
I have attached the 'push to open' catch directly onto the dash using a piece of aluminium angle with the 90 degree angle reduced in the vice to get the catch sitting at the correct angle. it is temprarily held in place with small self tappers at the moment, but will be riveted & glued eventually. The temporary setup has allowed me to 'test run' the catch & all seems lined up reasonably well.
Am now waiting on the postie before I can do any more.
Cuppa
Epic post, but the progress pics didn't attach...
LOL
Just the epic post this time. ...... no pics of my mistakes or stressed facial expressions!
Cuppa
Well my 2nd glovebox is now finished & once again I thank Mudski for the inspiration & confidence his write up gave me. As is obvious from my pics I didn't copy him ...... instead I made the job rather more difficult for myself. In fact I'd say it is probably the hardest thing I've done in my Patrol's fit out to date, mainly because as Mudski so eloquently stated in his opening line of this thread "
Unlike most other jobs I've done on the vehicle, there are several points during the glovebox install where you don't get a second chance & if things do indeed turn to poo, it would be fairly deep!Quote:
if you stuff it up it will turn to poo!
However I managed to come through smelling of roses rather than sh*t.
A few more pics:
A detail shot showing how close to the edge the 'hinge' hole in the dash is.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum.../2013/06/3.jpg
The 'push to open' magnetic latch mounted on aluminium angle which was 'closed up' a bit in the vice to get the latch sitting at the right angle. It works, but time will tell if the magnet is strong enough to hold the door shut on bumpy roads. I suspect I may have to add another magnet & adjust, but for now it works as it should. The pic shows the latch & it's mounting plate attached to the dash with a couple of small screws. Once I had determined the correct position of the latch that it was working correctly I attached the plate with glue & a couple of rivets. The rivets have a lower profile than screws & don't show under the carpet which was stuck over them. The actual latch can still be removed with a stubby phillips screwdriver.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum.../2013/06/4.jpg
The fascia was carpeted separately to the box except at the bottom.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum.../2013/06/5.jpg
And now................. drum roll
Tadaa! The finished item ......yay!
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum.../2013/06/6.jpg
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum.../2013/06/7.jpg
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum.../2013/06/8.jpg
When closed the door sit's out slightly on the top right corner, but only a tad & I can live with that.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum.../2013/06/9.jpg
Overall I'm pleased with my efforts, but am glad it's over and done.
Cuppa
AWESOME job Cuppa!
Haha! Late post but thats really great cuppa. Puts mine to shame.
How handy is it having the second glove box now. When I have time, which is virtually never, I will be making version 2.0 on the glove box. Five minutes and I can remove the hole box in mine.
Whats it like with no top on the box too Cuppa?
As for anyone else who does this and grinds that middle post off the lid like Cuppa did. Loctite 406 will hold it. That chit is very strong plus there is virtually no stress on it anyway.
Thanks Mudski, I'd still be thinking about it were it not for your encouragement.
Having no top on the 'box' is the way to go I reckon. Can't think of any downsides & the extra height is what allows me to stash my ipad in there. It just gives more space.
I can remove the box in a similar time, but would need to cut the carpet where it folds over the front along the bottom. No biggie really.
I have since added a small thin neodymium magnet to the catch to hold the door shut. It was ok, but occasionally opened on corrugated road. Now it's really good.
Cuppa
@ Cuppa or Mudski how big can you go,
like is the top of the other glove box your limit ??
I went as low as I thought possible TD. When working it out I placed some 5mm or 7mm ply across the top of the existing glove box to give a small clearance.
Cuppa
Yer I'm seriously thinking of version 2.0 right now. As like cuppa does, he can store his Crapple in there. I can't. Plus my next one will have a hidden lock so its locked and even pressing on it won't open it. Big plans, big plans. I just gotta buy my Galaxy Note and GoPro first. Bloody close to day from buying a GoPro, stopped at Autobarn in Eltham to get a relay and they had them on Display with a looped video on one being used in about 30 different ways and places. GAWD I WANT ONE!!!!!
Ok so Ill make a block up that the guys at "Q" mart can put on the machine that vacuums sucks plastic over any shape, great machine makes 2 door pockets out of one piece of wood.
When I look in my door pockets now it adds up to a bit so having a decent lock seems pointless. If I can make template in one hit I will other wise will be in 2 sections like Cuppa did.
3 sections on mine TD
does this come in a kit?
Wish I didn't have airbags lol this mod I would do!
Department of the Interior do one, but it is smaller internally.Quote:
Originally Posted by arbee
And its garbage. I bought their one at first and it was poorly made and way too small. Best off making your own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuppa
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuppa
Not everyone is as good as you two doing that sort of stuff, I think as you are both now experts you should offer a service to others making a kit.Quote:
Originally Posted by mudski
haha. Far from expert mate. But I have contemplated it. The only thing wouldn't be doing is the door section. You have to modify your own. But the thought has crossed my mind as I do realise not everyone has the tools, and the patience to make this from scratch. Wasn't really hard to make, it just took a lot of time. Plus having the right tools does help a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by TPC
I cant do it myself as I have a airbag in the way, would prefer the extra storage.
I was having a look at another member U and noticed the airbag deploys from the top. I though it deployed from where we make the door for the glove box. I wonder how much room is under there. As the air bag in the steering wheel is quite small so I can't seeing the passenger one being any bigger.Quote:
Originally Posted by TPC
I don't think I would take the chance, too risky. Could imagine triggering the airbag while cutting the door out.Quote:
Originally Posted by mudski
thanks for the where to get it, not sure if i could make one
Bumped as will be starting tomorrow on this mod.
Have seen Mudski's in the flesh and very impressed
Good luck John. Just be patient and take your time. Remember, measure twice and cut once. When I have the time I will make version 2.0. Similar to cuppa's but with a hidden magnetic lock so it won't open until to unlock it.
I have access to the vacuum former so will make a few inserts if possible.
I'll be picking your brain, that's for sure
I'll get my BFF on it as well he was head of sheetmetal at "Q"mart
now retired. So we'll make as large as possible