Tigerz11 banned from Melbourne 4x4 show

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Originally Posted by Yendor

Printed media is dead...... it's controlled by big organisations with hidden agendas.

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There's always Women weekly.......lol

I see the thread on 4WD Action has been deleted.......I bet their in damage control.

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Originally Posted by The BigFella

Wow, what a hornets nest,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
The problem here is attitude, we have been flogged by the big boys for decade.
Told that cheaper was always best!
When was the last time one of you researched prices and went straight to the cheapest quote, yes you may have side stepped him in favour for the second or third highest price.
But essentially our collective attitudes towards retail and all things buying is go for the cheapest price!
Now don't confuse cheap prices with cheap products here, I am talking about equivalent products at marginally different prices.

The cheap imports no matter where they come from are all doing our country great harm!
I know of 6x dairy farmers who have been forced to source work away from the farm.
They cant sell cause they're too far in debt. And dont get me started on the wave of imports currently smashing our shores from the States. Yes I make some dollars from towing them around the country, for this I am a hypocrite. However if "we" continue down this road and do nothing to turn the flow there will be no manufacturing, there will be no industry other then digging up our soil and we all know this is destined for over seas!

I have, for years battled with my wife trying to get her to stop buying the cheap milk, bread and "coles" "woolies" brands in favour of local or home grown produce and products.
Its a hard slog changing attitude, ask our parents!

Rant over,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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That's one of the reasons we went to gst..........service tax rather than manufacturing tax

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Originally Posted by Yendor

Printed media is dead...... it's controlled by big organisations with hidden agendas.

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It has been like that since the start

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Originally Posted by Yendor

There's always Women weekly.......lol

I see the thread on 4WD Action has been deleted.......I bet their in damage control.

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The censorship is appalling....... !!!!

example:
holden lower their price for the ss commodore by $9800 to bring customers back?
How is it, they can knock near 10k off the price, still make a profit, and we, the consumers think this is acceptable?
imo, if you bought a ss commodore last year, you were over charged 10k, due to inflated prices for higher profits

ozz

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Originally Posted by Yendor

There's always Women weekly.......lol

I see the thread on 4WD Action has been deleted.......I bet their in damage control.

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heres a joke i heard: "cosmo magazine purposely prints bad sex advice so that its readers remain single and keep buying the mag" lol.

Used to subscribe don't anymore for all the reasons above
But darling mother in law got me a subscription. I grab the DVD out chuck the mag in the recycle bin and skip the ads. Except if a members got an article showing
BTW anyone notice how thin the DVD is now bloody half the thickness!!!


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Originally Posted by taslucas

heres a joke i heard: "cosmo magazine purposely prints bad sex advice so that its readers remain single and keep buying the mag" lol.

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And man did not really land on the moon its all a conspiracy !!!!!

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Originally Posted by ozzyboy

example:
holden lower their price for the ss commodore by $9800 to bring customers back?
How is it, they can knock near 10k off the price, still make a profit, and we, the consumers think this is acceptable?
imo, if you bought a ss commodore last year, you were over charged 10k, due to inflated prices for higher profits

ozz

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I know what your saying but the alternative is all things produced by Not For Profit organisations. Next step communism? lol

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Originally Posted by taslucas

heres a joke i heard: "cosmo magazine purposely prints bad sex advice so that its readers remain single and keep buying the mag" lol.

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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahgahahahahahahahahaha


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Originally Posted by taslucas

heres a joke i heard: "cosmo magazine purposely prints bad sex advice so that its readers remain single and keep buying the mag" lol.

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Originally Posted by Bloodyaussie

And man did not really land on the moon its all a conspiracy !!!!!

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One of these is probably true...... lol

The reason more people are buying the cheaper products is because we cant afford to buy the big name brands. Yes i would love to have a car fully kitted out with arb and the likes, but am i willing to put near $10k into it?? No i am not. I cant afford to be spending $1500 on a steel bar or rear protection, so i go for something cheaper. I always try to help out the little local guy, even if they arent the cheapest, but sometimes, 100% dependant on what it is, you need to choose a cheaper copy because it just to expensive to buy the big aussie beand names.

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Originally Posted by ozzyboy

example:
holden lower their price for the ss commodore by $9800 to bring customers back?
How is it, they can knock near 10k off the price, still make a profit, and we, the consumers think this is acceptable?
imo, if you bought a ss commodore last year, you were over charged 10k, due to inflated prices for higher profits

ozz

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I think you will find that money has come from our government......sorry us tax payers.

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Originally Posted by taslucas

heres a joke i heard: "cosmo magazine purposely prints bad sex advice so that its readers remain single and keep buying the mag" lol.

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So that's where I have been going wrong....lol

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Originally Posted by Yendor

I think you will find that money has come from our government......sorry us tax payers.

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I might be wrong, but I thought the govt assistance to the car industry, was to help them produce climate friendly cars for the future? part of the reason the commodore will be discontinued for the alternative 4 cyl front wheel drives.

ozz

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Originally Posted by growler2058

BTW anyone notice how thin the DVD is now bloody half the thickness!!!


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Must be made by Tigerz11...lol

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Originally Posted by lhurley

The reason more people are buying the cheaper products is because we cant afford to buy the big name brands. Yes i would love to have a car fully kitted out with arb and the likes, but am i willing to put near $10k into it?? No i am not. I cant afford to be spending $1500 on a steel bar or rear protection, so i go for something cheaper. I always try to help out the little local guy, even if they arent the cheapest, but sometimes, 100% dependant on what it is, you need to choose a cheaper copy because it just to expensive to buy the big aussie beand names.

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I understand but if you keep your vehicle for a long while then paying once for quality makes sense. I can't see the benefit buying cheaper and having to replace it 3 times in the same period.
In saying that there are a lot of products that are comparable in quality with a lower price so it comes down to researching before you buy..

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Originally Posted by Nisshead

Must be made by Tigerz11...lol

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Most likely outa the same factory


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Originally Posted by Nisshead

I understand but if you keep your vehicle for a long while then paying once for quality makes sense. I can't see the benefit buying cheaper and having to replace it 3 times in the same period.
In saying that there are a lot of products that are comparable in quality with a lower price so it comes down to researching before you buy..

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Thats it. I might be biased in the sense that i havent had any issues with cheap products that ive bought, but i if i can get the same thing for cheaper, then thats what i will buy. I am very much a strong believer in buying things once.

Some buyers are snobs and will buy brand names regardless.......

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Originally Posted by NP99

Some buyers are snobs and will buy brand names regardless.......

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Yeah, some buyers have money and no time so they just go the easy option so they go for a reputable brand and pay $$$

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Originally Posted by ozzyboy

example:
holden lower their price for the ss commodore by $9800 to bring customers back?
How is it, they can knock near 10k off the price, still make a profit, and we, the consumers think this is acceptable?
imo, if you bought a ss commodore last year, you were over charged 10k, due to inflated prices for higher profits

ozz

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Yet the thing to consider in this case Holden are about to release a completely new model, so the massively reduced price is to ensure they have no excess stock if the (now) relatively worthless superseded model.
Product life cycle 101.


Tip tip tip......tap tap tap....

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Originally Posted by Great Southern Camping

Not all importers and sellers of products from overseas fall prey to "cheap and nasty". Yep, all (everything!) we sell is imported, and if you've been following the saga to date, we are nearly 18 months and thousands upon tens of thousands of dollars down the drain with limited sales to date due SOLELY to our lack of willingness to compromise on quality - good quality gear still comes from overseas, but as said, there is too many dealers who are in it for the fast buck - believe it or not, we are NOT. We are taking a ridiculously long time getting this little venture off the ground for no other reason than we simply won't be supplying crap. If its average quality, we'll be telling you such, and it will be dirt cheap, and that's only on some "non life threatening" items for want of a better phrase. We'll be cheaper than big names, we'll be importing, but we will always ensure quality is 'at least' the highest within the price bracket. That all said, it is exceptionally hard to make a go of it when people still give so much lip service to a topic like this and make all the claims under the sun regarding how we should "support the little guy", "buy Australian", etc, etc, but at the end of the day without the prying eyes of other members over looking etc simply walk into the local stores and buy based on price - I see it every single day ... and it's disheartening to be honest, as we could just go with the flow and make a few bucks quick, but are instead trying to attack a niche in the market that we "think" exists based on comments made in relation to topics like this, but seems to be proven consistently to be a pipe dream. The Australian consumers fault - not the seller. Time to take accountability for the animal WE collectively have created ourselves ... and stop blaming others to simply make ourselves feel better about what we've done.

This process with Roo and Tigerz etc started early last year (my wife worked for a company previously who is also now owned by EMG). Their quality is awful, they're pricing is suited to match ... BUT, the choice is still yours and I would stake my next pay packet on the fact that "we" as a nation will continue to make the choice in their favour.


Scotty (Bigrig)

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You are spot on Scotty. You will not be gouging the market like some big players. We all get annoyed in the example given about awnings. If you can get it cheap, sell it cheap and don't gouge the consumer......not talking safety as you stated. Cheers

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Originally Posted by Great Southern Camping

Not all importers and sellers of products from overseas fall prey to "cheap and nasty". Yep, all (everything!) we sell is imported, and if you've been following the saga to date, we are nearly 18 months and thousands upon tens of thousands of dollars down the drain with limited sales to date due SOLELY to our lack of willingness to compromise on quality - good quality gear still comes from overseas, but as said, there is too many dealers who are in it for the fast buck - believe it or not, we are NOT. We are taking a ridiculously long time getting this little venture off the ground for no other reason than we simply won't be supplying crap. If its average quality, we'll be telling you such, and it will be dirt cheap, and that's only on some "non life threatening" items for want of a better phrase. We'll be cheaper than big names, we'll be importing, but we will always ensure quality is 'at least' the highest within the price bracket. That all said, it is exceptionally hard to make a go of it when people still give so much lip service to a topic like this and make all the claims under the sun regarding how we should "support the little guy", "buy Australian", etc, etc, but at the end of the day without the prying eyes of other members over looking etc simply walk into the local stores and buy based on price - I see it every single day ... and it's disheartening to be honest, as we could just go with the flow and make a few bucks quick, but are instead trying to attack a niche in the market that we "think" exists based on comments made in relation to topics like this, but seems to be proven consistently to be a pipe dream. The Australian consumers fault - not the seller. Time to take accountability for the animal WE collectively have created ourselves ... and stop blaming others to simply make ourselves feel better about what we've done.

This process with Roo and Tigerz etc started early last year (my wife worked for a company previously who is also now owned by EMG). Their quality is awful, they're pricing is suited to match ... BUT, the choice is still yours and I would stake my next pay packet on the fact that "we" as a nation will continue to make the choice in their favour.


Scotty (Bigrig)

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Never a truer word said bud.......

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

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Originally Posted by The BigFella

Wow, what a hornets nest,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
The problem here is attitude, we have been flogged by the big boys for decade.
Told that cheaper was always best!
When was the last time one of you researched prices and went straight to the cheapest quote, yes you may have side stepped him in favour for the second or third highest price.
But essentially our collective attitudes towards retail and all things buying is go for the cheapest price!
Now don't confuse cheap prices with cheap products here, I am talking about equivalent products at marginally different prices.

The cheap imports no matter where they come from are all doing our country great harm!
I know of 6x dairy farmers who have been forced to source work away from the farm.
They cant sell cause they're too far in debt. And dont get me started on the wave of imports currently smashing our shores from the States. Yes I make some dollars from towing them around the country, for this I am a hypocrite. However if "we" continue down this road and do nothing to turn the flow there will be no manufacturing, there will be no industry other then digging up our soil and we all know this is destined for over seas!

I have, for years battled with my wife trying to get her to stop buying the cheap milk, bread and "coles" "woolies" brands in favour of local or home grown produce and products.
Its a hard slog changing attitude, ask our parents!

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Big Fella, in essence I agree with you but the example of cheap milk is a bad one.
Dairy farmers earn the same amount per litre no matter who sells it!
I will use Victoria as an example......Coles sells milk for $1 per litre, and my milk bar sells Pura milk for $2.50. Which scenario gives the most back to the farmer?
It is in fact the same. If you buy your milk at $2.50 from the milk bar you are only contributing more to the processor.
In Australia there are only 2 main milk processors, Fonterra (a NZ company) and Lion (now owned by Kirin from Japan) who effectively have a duopoly and essentially pay the farmer the same regardless of how much it gets sold by the retailer.
Quite a furphy that one.....
Back on topic (sort of), Roothy has been sh!tting me off for ages with his piss-poorly organised rabble of don't lock up Australia campaigners. Constantly beating up on 4WD associations when in fact he should be promoting that responsible community attitude that 4WD clubs do their best to live by......


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I think a point that you missed is that its hard for consumers to know if a product is; cheap because the quality is poor, cheap because the company are trying all they can to keep the price down and make little profit, expensive because the quality is superior, expensive because there is more R&D/ aftersales support/ warranty, expensive because the company is ripping people off....... Its just hard to make an informed decision and gets harder as some manufacturers hide their processes so they cant be copied and some industry "experts" have comparisons that cant be trusted.
For the record Scotty, its little things like talking to you and (somewhat) understanding your principles and character over the last year or so that mean that ill be shopping with you when and if youve got a product i want:)

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Originally Posted by Great Southern Camping

Not all importers and sellers of products from overseas fall prey to "cheap and nasty". Yep, all (everything!) we sell is imported, and if you've been following the saga to date, we are nearly 18 months and thousands upon tens of thousands of dollars down the drain with limited sales to date due SOLELY to our lack of willingness to compromise on quality - good quality gear still comes from overseas, but as said, there is too many dealers who are in it for the fast buck - believe it or not, we are NOT. We are taking a ridiculously long time getting this little venture off the ground for no other reason than we simply won't be supplying crap. If its average quality, we'll be telling you such, and it will be dirt cheap, and that's only on some "non life threatening" items for want of a better phrase. We'll be cheaper than big names, we'll be importing, but we will always ensure quality is 'at least' the highest within the price bracket. That all said, it is exceptionally hard to make a go of it when people still give so much lip service to a topic like this and make all the claims under the sun regarding how we should "support the little guy", "buy Australian", etc, etc, but at the end of the day without the prying eyes of other members over looking etc simply walk into the local stores and buy based on price - I see it every single day ... and it's disheartening to be honest, as we could just go with the flow and make a few bucks quick, but are instead trying to attack a niche in the market that we "think" exists based on comments made in relation to topics like this, but seems to be proven consistently to be a pipe dream. The Australian consumers fault - not the seller. Time to take accountability for the animal WE collectively have created ourselves ... and stop blaming others to simply make ourselves feel better about what we've done.

This process with Roo and Tigerz etc started early last year (my wife worked for a company previously who is also now owned by EMG). Their quality is awful, they're pricing is suited to match ... BUT, the choice is still yours and I would stake my next pay packet on the fact that "we" as a nation will continue to make the choice in their favour.


Scotty (Bigrig)

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Dam Asians

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Originally Posted by Swampy

Dam Asians

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Do you mean sand bag Asians or damn Asians? :)

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Originally Posted by Swampy

Dam Asians

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well if you cant take the pjss out of your own and your shonky build quality and un-ethical business practices who can?????

Weave my family awone, u buy now, when it bwakes u buy more!!!!!!

Maybe wong number but u buy, u buy for 1 dowar, u buy now, maybe 2 dowar??

half pwice fwee post

Me wove u wong time ben-e-boy, u buy now!!!

Got an email from Tigers11 about an hour ago...http://us6.campaign-archive2.com/?u=...d&e=8c90310c20

So has some evil dictator started running the Melbourne 4x4 show ? If its that Admiral General Haffaz Aladeen of Wadiya , we are doomed ..

Many double happy good bwands. Woo Systems, Twigez, Iwonman. Woofy say all much good many happy

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Originally Posted by Drewboyaus

Yet the thing to consider in this case Holden are about to release a completely new model, so the massively reduced price is to ensure they have no excess stock if the (now) relatively worthless superseded model.
Product life cycle 101.


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yes, but the discount is on the new model, not on the superseded model

ozz

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Originally Posted by Nisshead

Got an email from Tigers11 about an hour ago...http://us6.campaign-archive2.com/?u=...d&e=8c90310c20

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Sadly, the only difference that email has to their normal rubbish is the bit about being banned at the top. It still says: "last chance", "best ever", "once in a lifetime", "never to be repaeted" blah blah blah!! That is the reason i opted out of their emails over a year ago. I was so sick of the weekly pounding they were dishing out!! (and yes i sent them a courteous email discussing that)

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Originally Posted by ozzyboy

yes, but the discount is on the new model, not on the superseded model

ozz

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Really dan.. Swampy is onto you

Geeees ozzy, wat r u finkin, stwop bwieng so swerious, u wooser