Did I do the right thing? What would of you done?

Yeah good on you rod. Having been out with you mate I know it would have been undertaken in a professional manner.

I reckon you did the right thing. It's human nature to help those in need (well for most anyway) and I'm a firm believer of what comes around goes around, were all going to need a hand a some point in time.

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Originally Posted by escix

I am sorry Yendor, I can't agree with you. Whatever the cause is attempting unsafe recovery is not acceptable at all means.
You cannot risk anyone's life for material recovery.
I would have ask them to contact professional recovery services and it would have learnt them a lesson as well without risk.

Sorry again

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When you say in an unsafe manner I'm sure that it was undertaken as safe as possible given the circumstances which you were presented with which sounded less than ideal for a number of reasons. The fact you mentioned it means that thought was put into the situation and steps taken to alleviate risk as much as possible by the sounds of it to me, without getting too much into the nitty gritty of it all.

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Originally Posted by escix

I am sorry Yendor, I can't agree with you. Whatever the cause is attempting unsafe recovery is not acceptable at all means.
You cannot risk anyone's life for material recovery.
I would have ask them to contact professional recovery services and it would have learnt them a lesson as well without risk.

Sorry again

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That's cool. Thats why I'm asking. At what point do you pull out of a recovery?.

I felt I was commit as soon as I loaned them the axe.

To me the recovery risks increased when I needed to winch them out but there was no "rated" rear recovery point.

I did make sure as much as possible that no one's life was at risk but to be honest can anyone 100% guarantee this during a vehicle recovery?

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Originally Posted by biggqwesty

Unfortunately you do the best you can and recovery the needy..
If any equipment was damaged I'd be exchanging numbers and getting the gear replaced at a minimum..
Down this way as many now the sand can bite and take you in.. I have recovered a few now and most are very grateful and more than willing to pay something..
We never accept (well we did accept January last year as it was bloody hot and the darren and crew saved the day and we all shared a beer).
It's the ones that thinks it's their right that you must recovery them that piss you off..

Anyway.. I would have done the same mate.. I bet you would have felt guilty as hell had you left em there.. questioning if they were out, safe, feed or water even..

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That's my thinking. If I had of been the one that needed recovering I would hoped that someone else would help me…

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Originally Posted by Rossco

I reckon you did the right thing. It's human nature to help those in need (well for most anyway) and I'm a firm believer of what comes around goes around, were all going to need a hand a some point in time.





When you say in an unsafe manner I'm sure that it was undertaken as safe as possible given the circumstances which you were presented with which sounded less than ideal for a number of reasons. The fact you mentioned it means that thought was put into the situation and steps taken to alleviate risk as much as possible by the sounds of it to me, without getting too much into the nitty gritty of it all.

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Thanks Rossco,
All recovery involved some degree of risk, but regardless of the recovery method, no method should be taken which would put a life in risk.
We all help each other (human nature), but not at the cost of another life.

I may have misunderstood the actual situation of the recovery, but these are my thoughts assuming that recovery had a chance of putting someone's life at risk.

Cheers,

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Originally Posted by biggqwesty

Out of curiosity was it the great Wall and triton drivers again the recovery??

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Not sure I understand the question…. but I was first on the scene so I committed our group to the recovery. The only two vehicles that did the hill climb were my Patrol and the Great Wall. Would the other two vehicles of done the hill climb if I didn't commit to the recovery.. I don't know sorry. It was my vehicle doing the recovery.

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Originally Posted by biggqwesty

Out of curiosity was it the great Wall and triton drivers again the recovery??

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Neither. Yendors group with the great wall came across a couple of guys who needed recovering

You did great Rodney. Even with the risk the fact that you identified the risk means you mitigated it as much as you could by removing people and communicating the risks.

Now reading between the lines I read that because you could not remove the towball you had to use the tow ball? Is that right? I read also that this was a WINCH recovery? So you TOWED the vehicle out using your winch on their tow ball.? This is a Low Risk recovery if this is the case mate.

High risk would be a snatch strap on that tow ball? Basically, presented with this scenario then a Snatch is off the table and a safe winch recovery using a winch blanket for the win.

Well done mate,

Hiya Rodney,
IMHO you did exactly the right thing, Cobber and given my understanding I would have probably done the same/similar.

ALL recoveries have risk even one as simple as pushing a vehicle.
The more experienced we are the the more easily we can understand the risks and the potential for damage or injury as a recovery becomes more complex.

Reading between the lines and at risk of starting some sort of poo fight I will add that I have in the past on many occasions (and will in the future if needs dictate) used tow balls for non-kinetic recovery IE static loads that can be managed.
Indeed it is only recently that Government Departments here have removed Tow Ball Recovery Plates from the vehicle equipment kits available for use.

Recovery techniques, hazard assessments, equipment ratings, choice of method etc are developed around mitigating risk.
If you assessed the situation as warranting the risks and took all possible precautions then that is all one can do.

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Originally Posted by Yendor

Not sure I understand the question…. but I was first on the scene so I committed our group to the recovery. The only two vehicles that did the hill climb were my Patrol and the Great Wall. Would the other two vehicles of done the hill climb if I didn't commit to the recovery.. I don't know sorry. It was my vehicle doing the recovery.

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Sorry bloody typo.. all good though.. just a bit of tounge in cheek..

Every recovery is a calculated risk.. it takes balls to pull out when that risk gets beyond your comfort or capacity.
But by the sounds of the comments it sounds like you are all over that sorta thing so I have no doubt that even though this recovery wasn't "text book" it would have been a very safe recovery..