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was trying to compete with the likes of RangeRover and Shogun/Pajero, the 2.8 was deemed as gutless and had to meet the more stringent emissions that Europe were imposing back then......... Europe back then were still very much petrol users and diesel wasn't as widespreadQuote:
Originally Posted by roofy
you could look at it this way, take mine as an EG 2004 model clean, plenty of mods,
scenario 1 blow motor and rebuild OE motor RRP $$$$$
scenario 2 motor blows and replaced with a 4.2 TD Now my RRP is $$$$$
scenario 3 motor blows and replaced with a late model LS1-2 my RRP is now $$$$$
please feel free to fill in the $$$ signs
1 holy shitQuote:
Originally Posted by threedogs
2 oh shit im dead
3 shit f#%k im sellin the house
This might sound very cynical, but It isn't hard to lose faith in a motor, when you go to a mechanic or 4x4 workshop and he has 3-4 other patrols, bonnets up, with the same issue.
Like when I was at 4x4 obsession recently, to ask about my timing cover leak. There was 2 of them there, same issue, same spot, all CRD's. They fix that many of them, they could just about do it blind folded. All work that costs thousands, not just a few hundred bucks...
Same with my turbo as well, he points me to a shelf of all failed Garrets out of a 3L patrol. The bloke I spoke to, might have been Brett, his own words are, the 3L patrols keep 4x4 mechanics above ground.
When I bought this thing, I had the typical "she'll be right attitude". Won't happen to me. But so far I've copped ALL the common faults with these things. And shes just clicked 60k. Whats gonna happen when It hits 100K plus ?
This may or may not sound like a whinge, but there it is. My 2c. So yes, to answer OP's thread question.... It's easy to give up on a 3L very quickly.
My 2006 ST-S GU IV 3.0 Di did suffer the "common" issues of a failed clutch at 70k and the dreaded water leak behind the front engine cover at 80k. Each cost around $3k (new clutch and solid flywheel). I did replace timing chain etc and water pump as the engine was out but they looked ok.
I suspect it is the luck of the draw on who gets a clutch or water leak.
HOWEVER, while the engine was out for the water leak, I did get the intake manifold cleaned and it REALLY needed it at 80k. EGR the next step.
BTW this is a replacement for a 4.2 that just got old, and I am happy with the truck--takes me anywhere I am prepared to go.
The main reason the Garrets have an inordinate failure rate in the ZD30's is because people overfill the sump with oil.
There are warnings all thru the manuals against doing it yet the worst offenders seem to be Nissan Dealer workshops.
Specifically IIRC "Caution, do NOT overfill the sump with oil or damage to the Turbocharger oil seals will result"
Wen my Turbo failed and was replaced under warranty I worded up my local dealer and told them it is a known issue and I check the oil level every time I pick the car up and will be back in here to have any issues annotated on the service records against future Turbo failures.
After an animated technically discussion (swearing match) with the mech's it was established it was an old school habit from the Grenade Days when extra oil in the sump was part of the bandaid fix in the Series 1 and 2
I said this is a Series 5 and if you want to be fixing it under warranty for the next 20 years keep at it and here is a copy of the page from your factory manual.
(the look on the faces was priceless)
Didn't have any problems at all after that and was still going gangbusters when I sold it
Same experience with a dealer up my way. Took three attempts (complaints) before they put in the correct amount. Luckily no damage done (that I know of).Quote:
The main reason the Garrets have an inordinate failure rate in the ZD30's is because people overfill the sump with oil.
There are warnings all thru the manuals against doing it yet the worst offenders seem to be Nissan Dealer workshops.
Specifically IIRC "Caution, do NOT overfill the sump with oil or damage to the Turbocharger oil seals will result"
Had a similar experience with a dealer service on a Merc vito van from work. I guess some of them think more oil is better than not enough?
That was a supercharged LS2, under $10k plus installationQuote:
Originally Posted by kevin07
Sign me up for a $10 'charged ls2, I'll have ten!!Quote:
Originally Posted by threedogs
No experience with the 3L donk, but wot's wrong with the Nissan Auto - I'm really loving mine! Yes, I did the Wholesale Automatics Nomad Valve body and clutch plate upgrades, but the harder I drive it the more I like it. It actually feels smoother and stronger under the pump than when pussy'd around town taking the kid to school etc..