Anyone who reckons you'd get bored shooting a 22 has no imagination.Quote:
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Anyone who reckons you'd get bored shooting a 22 has no imagination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winnie
I certainly wouldn't get bored shooting Growlers drivers door...... or even his GU for that matter..... or himself actuality bwahahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Irish
Some of the dumb stuff irish and i have shot over the years ... mostly revenge on technology like printers that stuff up or a toaster that would never do as it was told.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clunk
All my old laptops have met a similar fate. Solids and ssg's out of a 12g for instance. Empty butane cans are good little targets too....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloodyaussie
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Totally agree with the above. A .22 is essential I think. Everyone has already 1 even if they think not needed they always end up with 1 haha. It's all about getting use to a rifle. Holding it steady without being worried it will kick hard. I know quite a few people who bought bigger rifles straight up and just don't use them because they become scared of them. Best to get use to holding smoothly pulling the trigger and the experience on a small calibre
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well had a slight change of plan and ended up with a 28" adler 110 with synthetic stock. looks and feels good so far, now to head bush tomorrow and try it out
Keep an eye on gun emporium, every now and then they do a special on the Norinco Puma Hunter 22lr for $199, great price for an inexpensive, super accurate 22. Think of it as four slabs of beer.
Your Honour I'd like to present this as Exhibit "A" lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Clunk
Can you still get the Bruno 22 bolt action ?????
Had the unpleasant experience of having a shotgun DB loaded with SG's pointed at meQuote:
Originally Posted by sooty_10
at the Boat races at Heathcote years ago, long story short guy had a break down
no one hurt ,,,,,,all over a game of beach cricket lol
Bit of an over reaction to going out on a duck..... those Heathcote mob are pretty wild.Quote:
Originally Posted by threedogs
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Not exactly, they're branded CZ now and are completely updated from the No1 & No2.Quote:
Originally Posted by threedogs
Interestingly, the puma hunter is a copy of the old brno No1.
I used to drink with the rabbiters up at Kulgera in the early 80's
they shot 400 pair a night at the same spot every night for a week
then move on, Their weapon of choice was those Bruno Bolt action
They could put a bullet in a bullet hole time after time, Oh yeah and every
rabbit or roo were all head shot One bullet per carcass, Then they
released that calici virus. Boy they were the days.
Fun times were had at the Kulgera road house oh yeah fun times LOL
Forgot are they still a very accurate rifle???
Yeah mate, the cz's are real tack drivers, cost a lot more now though.
New show on TV called "Family Guns", mainly military and historical guns ,,pistols and rifles,,,even cannons breach load and muzzle.
Today they are firing a remington 700 sniper rifle with a 20" barrel, awesome awesome awesome
Some of the historical stuff is unbelievable and they all still fire,, even the cannons
Guys, I'm looking for a nice scope to match with one of the new Ruger Precision Rifles in .308. Something with an illuminated reticle and a zoom to about 12 or 14x with a nice big objective lens. The rifle will be used out of the truck mostly, but with a few sessions here and there sniping pigs off lagoons and dams. Not really something I'd take through the thick scrub, but would be good to wind it back to around 4x at the other end of the focus range.
Any suggestions? Price - well, hopefully I don't need to go much over 1500-ish.
I've got a meopta meostar R1 3-12 x 56 with illuminated centre dot. It was roughly $1100. The glass is comparable to other euro brand for a lot less dollar. I also added a meopta ballistic hunting turret. I've been comfortably dropping roos out to 500m (most around 300m, 520m longest). Under a lightforce spotlight or my olight mx3 javelot it goes great. Similar quality light transmission as my brothers kahles scope which is also quality (lot more coin). I also have a vortex crossfire II 3-9 x 42 (cheapest in vortex line) w/ illuminated centre dot on my .22lr and if you turn it up too high it red hazes the whole view, the meopta has none of those issues. Crystal clear illuminated /w zero washout / haze.Quote:
Originally Posted by FNQGU
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Thanks Sooty, come to think of it, I have a 4x Meopta on my 1968 Browning .22lr pump action and its always performed flawlessly. I'm unfortunately not up to date with buying scopes as I haven't needed one for at least the last 15 years. I'll take a look at them again.
One of the Yanks I work with also mentioned Vortex as being worth a look. I'd never even heard of them until now. Seems like there are just soooo many options out there now that it is confusing as to what is decent gear and what is cheap shite or the opposite in not being value for money.
So I'm getting back to this, applying for my shooters license again. Lost interest last time but I'm pretty keen now.
Looking for advice though, for my first rifle.
Pretty sold on the .223, my mate has a Tikka T3 which I had a shot of last weekend and I really liked it. No idea what they're worth though?
I think I would be up for a safe, the rifle, a scope and a scope mounted spotlight. Any advice on good value for money items? No idea what my budget would be because I have no idea what any of this stuff is worth!
New or second hand?
Heavy barrel or hunting rifle?
.223 is a good starting calibre, accurate enough and ammo is reasonably cheap and easy to get.
Optics could be as much as the cost of the rifle, and don't forget a decent case and sling.
Do you really need a scope mounted spotlight to start with?
I am guessing you will be walking at night with it? So maybe you want a composite stock type rifle that's not too heavy? If you liked that Tikka, they are bullet proof and a pretty good choice.
If you are going new, think $2K as a ballpark.
Probably 2nd hand to save a bit of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by FNQGU
Basically the only shooting I would do is foxes and rabbits at night on my mate's farm. I could definitely go without the spotlight to start with.
Once I have done a fair bit of shooting with this I will look at a 30-06 or something similar for deer stalking.
That same mate also has the Tikka in a 338 which is nice too.
Mate don't think you could go wrong with a second hand tikka. As for the spotlight I use a Olight mxu-3 javelot with a magnetic barrel mount clips on and off in seconds and easily handles recoil of my .270win it was about $260 (from memory) it's up there in price but easily shines out over 400m with naked eye and I can identify roos through my scope to an easy 500m and take the shot. A .223 will be an easy calibre to find ammo for and plenty of options available, can't go wrong really. What's your target species or even shooting objective (target/longrange etc)?? That will determine your calibre selection more than anything. I went the .270 as it was minimum legal for all deer, flatter than 30-06 and quite a versatile round as I use 110gn projectiles for small game. If I was just after foxes/rabbits a .223 or my next purchase may be a .204.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winnie
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At the end of the day the best calibre / rifle you have is the one you get out and use. So I'm also loving my latest purchase the mighty .22lr. It shits all over the centrefires on economy and fun.
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Yeah at the moment it will just be foxes and rabbits.
I had a shoot with a 22 on the same night and it was fun but very limiting... The 223 would be better for me I think.
Any idea on price for a 2nd hand Tikka 223?
I don't know much Winnie but the.223 would be good for the foxes but a .22 is all you need for rabbits. A 223 will put a pretty big hole in a rabbit and make a fair bit of noise. Most or you rabbits will be shot at 20m or less off the back of a ute and the 22 will shit it in. 22s are bloody cheap and the ammo is cheap too. I think my 22 was about $350 as a package with scope, my .223 was closer to $1500 with the scope on but got a great deal on the gun. RRP it's probably a $2k package.
Nah most of what I shoot would be on foot at min 100m.
22 isn't limiting at those distances mate. I can shoot a shot gun shell consistently at 100m with my 22lr. They teach you more to. As you need to learn about bullet drop and wind etc. I'd say but a 22 first see how it goes. Another thing is running cost. 22 is about $7 or $8 per 100. 223 is up around $1 per round. In bulk I think we got it down to about 70c each and reloading won't save you money until maybe the 30th year of owning it all haha.
Scope your best bet is to go to the store and look through some of the decent brand ones. A decent scope now will last and you can move it to a new rifle later but in saying that a package like my 22 has a cheap scope but it does the job so far. Maybe save money on shore for a 223.
I reckon everyone should start on a 22. So much to learn from the old 22 out at 100m. It's still accurate. Others to look at are the 17hmr or even 22magnum. Both great bunny and fox guns and still in the cheaper end although more expensive than a 22. 17hmr does get affected by wind a lot though compared to a 22 cal.
As for torch check out wolf eyes website. It's what I have. I've got 4 of their torches now and love them.
Give me a bell if I confused you haha.
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G'day Mr Winnie, have been told an over/under old schoooool 22 top/410g below is a good cheap agi efficient allrounder for any startup :-) Run some Z's, keep da Mr's shampoo bottles for scatter.
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Originally Posted by matfew
Exactly this. You can pick up a Norinco 22 (they call it the puma hunter nowadays) for $200, they are a Brno copy and they shoot ridiculously well for the price. Slap a half decent scope on it and you're laughing.
I don't want a .22
I might get one down the track but want the .223 for now.
Fwiw I was a pro roo shooter, skins, in the late 70s and the .22 magnum was more than adequate, cheap to run and with experience good to 150mts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winnie
Bonus in my sit was quieter as well.
You might also consider the 22/250 fast and flat over the ranges you're suggesting.
250 won't be needed if he's only shooting it to 100m. Plus way to load. Still don't think you need a 223 straight away mate. For a good 223 package you'll be up around 1500ish more for the tikka. Almost any 22 will shoot accurate though. Perfect gun to get you into the sport.
If you jump straight into a 223 in my opinion you miss out on learning more about ballistics as you don't have to deal with them as much. Put it in perspective. At the range I can hit the target at 500yrds maybe 80% of the time with 223. With the 22 and knowing what I have learned I can almost do the same even though the bullet drop is so much I can't see the target in the scope haha. But I can still but it.... I think jumping to a 223 is just not the right way to get into it properly. If your planning on deer hunting particularly at distance then your going to regret not learning about bullet drop or windage etc. EVERYONE I know who shoots regularly had a 22 and is usually always with you when shooting to.
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I reckon also if your walking up on rabbits you will get way way closer than 100m mate, way closer! 100m is miles away from a bunny, you should be able to whistle up your foxes to pretty close too if your on foot, no vehicle noise will be an advantage.
Don't get me wrong mate, my first gun was a 223 & 3006 purchased together, the 3006 has done very little but it's not really a gun you take out to shoot 20 rounds out of. It's a big gun. The 223 will easily deal with Roos and foxes but is a bit extreme for a bunny gun, as noted the cost of ammo of a 223 over a 22 is night and day! If your out on bunnies you could use 50 or 150 rounds in a night. That will cost you $20 or $150! The 22 will easily do it. I would just never grab the 223 for bunnies.
@Winnie don't listen to them! Get this!!! .338 Lapua Magnum.http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum.../2016/07/1.png
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I thought shooting roos was illegal? Or is it the type of thing that's technically illegal but everyone does anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD
If that's the case then I will without a doubt get a .223 because there are literally thousands of roos on my mates farm, and a few pigs too but we're yet to actually see them. His property backs onto a pine plantation.
Property holders can obtain permits to "cull" set numbers..Quote:
Originally Posted by Winnie
But yes illegal to the average shooter / hunter..
^^^^ what he said ^^^^
The reason I supported Mattys assertion is because I can't count the amount of people I've seen who start off with a larger calibre and pick up a bunch of really bad shooting habits straight off the bat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winnie
As with anything else, it's harder to change bad habits than learn good ones to begin with.
If you've shot quite a bit before then go nuts, but if you are a first time shooter I believe you really should start with a 22 and learn the right way.
Just my 2c.
It's such a good wide use size too..Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish
Was my pick from dad's collection unless we ment business..
Then it was the double barrel under over shot gun..
Didn't use the 223 to much.. just didn't need it..
I have probably put 200 odd rounds through a 22 before and a few threw some bigger rifles too, mainly target shooting. I've shot even more through a 12g
So I'm not brand new to shooting but haven't had a lot of experience.
If you havent had a lot of experience as you say yourself, then definitely go a 22. I put 200rds through my 22 the first day I brought it to the range.
I've also used the 22 a sh1te load more than I've used any of my other rifles or shotgun, or ever will for that matter. As westy said, it is an extremely versatile calibre.
A lot of people eschew them in favour of something bigger because people dont think of the 22 as a big boy gun, but they really are the best bang for buck(no pun intended) calibre you can get. Think of em like a leatherman, useful for a multitude of tasks.