Manual grabbers

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Originally Posted by Yendor

Is to keep the 25 post requirement but have 2 options when signing up.

1. Keep the original sign up as it is now.

2. Add an extra option, where for a small donation you already start with 25 post.

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like your way of thinking

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Originally Posted by trollman

Your're are right Nispat. Not too much to ask for. But there has to be a better way.

How many members v how many regular contributors?

Why is this divide so great?

Maybe the link to; or upon request. Would be the best answer.
But I don't agree with calling people scum.

Trying to point out that if someone is in need of the manuals and creating a 25 post rule, and expecting 25 posts of 'value' when the dude may just want to repair his vehicle and get out wheeling.



If so many sign up just for the manuals, how is it that so few contribute, but are still members?

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Hey, Trollman, most know my feelings on this subject, and I'm sure it's all to do woth the technical side of things to admin, but to members ( this one anyway), it is a little more personal. And yeah, your right, nothing worse than getting half way through job and needing help.. BUT how many ppl are fixing their trolls at 3am ? I think some of the point is that if you are stuck on a job, there is someone here who'd help out, for nothing to someone they dont know. Just common curtesy and manners is all it's about. Again this is one opinion of one person who sees alot of the grabbers in the dark of night.

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Originally Posted by Yendor

I am only new to this site but after reading this thread it is clear that there are a lot of passionate members.

I would have to agree that it is rude to just join, download the manuals and not contribute in someway.

Another way to stop spamming from people trying to reach the 25 post.

Is to keep the 25 post requirement but have 2 options when signing up.

1. Keep the original sign up as it is now.

2. Add an extra option, where for a small donation you already start with 25 post.

This would allow for the people who just wanted the manual to be able to download it without posting all the crap (I don't think this will breach copyright laws because the donation is not directly for the manual).

The second option may also motivate people to become more involved with the forum after they have the manual.

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Another good point which is great.

As said before these manuals are readily available on the net so a donation to this forum just to get the manual is probably not the way to go. Indirectly you're asking for money for the manual.

Motivating people to hang around is very hard as once they get what they want they leave....We all certainly encourage people to hang around and see what this forum is all about besides the manuals.

Most people don't have a problem and its the very few that think its unfair to have to post 25 genuine posts.

Anyway I don't think its the manuals but people wanting something for nothing ...Just my thoughts once again

I hope I don't sound like an old winging prick with a chip on his shoulder..
I just dislike people who want something for nothing ...ex...dole bludgers !!!!!!!!!

EDIT: Sorry, straying off the subject a bit

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Originally Posted by NissPat

I hope I don't sound like an old winging prick with a chip on his shoulder..
I just dislike people who want something for nothing ...ex...dole bludgers !!!!!!!!!

EDIT: Sorry, straying off the subject a bit

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No I don't think this at all.

With my post I was just trying to turn negatives into a positive.

I agree with you, it seem some people think we were put on this earth to do everything for them.

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Originally Posted by katwoman

Hey, Trollman, most know my feelings on this subject, and I'm sure it's all to do woth the technical side of things to admin, but to members ( this one anyway), it is a little more personal. And yeah, your right, nothing worse than getting half way through job and needing help.. BUT how many ppl are fixing their trolls at 3am ? I think some of the point is that if you are stuck on a job, there is someone here who'd help out, for nothing to someone they dont know. Just common curtesy and manners is all it's about. Again this is one opinion of one person who sees alot of the grabbers in the dark of night.

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onya Kat......

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Originally Posted by Bulbous

LOL, I was half way down the second page when I realised what a manual grabber was. I though it was some sort of cool mod.

Reason I joined, I am pretty much a newbie in 4x4 having started just over a 18 months ago in a Dodge Durango (horrible car - don't go there).
I recently bought a Patrol and I love it - but I don't understand it. I want to learn more about my car and all aspects of it's operation - pretty sure the manuals won't help there. There's no shortcut to knowledge, you can only gain it by a long process of reading and absorbing information.
So apology in advance, I will probably lurk a lot of your mechanical threads but will rarely post since I don't want to spam you with what is probably incorrect information.

However if I think that I've got valid and good information I will certainly post it. I also feel quite strongly that if I only joined yesterday then I have absolutely no right to welcome anyone to YOUR site.

Sorry to be a windbag

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If you have joined then you can welcome new members just as we have with you.

Tim

Ok, I read all the post and spoke to.

But now I find myself summerizing this:

If you want a free manual which would normally cost $60-$80 then be a sweety and contribute 25 friendly posts and hopefully become addicted to this forum.

If they are needing an urgent answer because they are in middle of doing repair, just throw up an Intro and state you need help with.......Help is usually given to those who place Intros.....

Not hard when you see it spelt out like that Aye?

Tim

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Originally Posted by Finly Owner

Ok, I read all the post and spoke to.

But now I find myself summerizing this:

If you want a free manual which would normally cost $60-$80 then be a sweety and contribute 25 friendly posts and hopefully become addicted to this forum.

If they are needing an urgent answer because they are in middle of doing repair, just throw up an Intro and state you need help with.......Help is usually given to those who place Intros.....

Not hard when you see it spelt out like that Aye?

Tim

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And if in the intro, or perhaps better, eslewhere, use the heading or whatever it is called to say what you want. So, quick and dirty can't wait for 25 posts might say Wheel Bearing Help GU and G'day, or something like that. Easier to spot the call for help that way.

I'm a slacker and just look at new posts, or search for info I want.

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Originally Posted by katwoman

Hey, Trollman, most know my feelings on this subject, and I'm sure it's all to do woth the technical side of things to admin, but to members ( this one anyway), it is a little more personal. And yeah, your right, nothing worse than getting half way through job and needing help.. BUT how many ppl are fixing their trolls at 3am ? I think some of the point is that if you are stuck on a job, there is someone here who'd help out, for nothing to someone they dont know. Just common curtesy and manners is all it's about. Again this is one opinion of one person who sees alot of the grabbers in the dark of night.

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Nice post Katwoman, I agree with what you wrote as well.

Do you think the reason we see different numbers of posts is because people are different. Some get a manual and disappear.

Perhaps we don't want them back, perhaps we do.

Some are probably sitting on the side watching - perhaps a lot?

And then there are the very regular contributors - someone put up an analysis of that a couple of weeks ago I think.

Looking at the Nightshift, I suspect I'd be welcome, but still I'd hesitate to dip my toe into what looks like a very close knit group of people chatting. But I sometimes have a look.