brake bias bracket

was reading another post but didnt want to hi-jack it so will ask my question here..copied below quote from the post by Happygu regarding the brake bias bracket

"Not for 2 inch lift, as there is enough adjustment.

For 3 inch lift, you should, but you can get away without it and nothing will break, but you may notice a change in brake performance"

I have noticed a change in braking performance in the GQ since I put the 2inch lift in...I have also added a fair bit with bull bar , roof rack , winch , 33's so a liitle bit more weight onto it but I wouldnt think that would drag the brakes back as far as they are..pads seem fine..calipers all working , nothing done to brakes since I bought it....as in any work to them that may have let air in..but definately wont pull up !...I have yet to check the booster ...so what is this brake bias bracket , where does it fit up , and what does it do ?...it has been said , as in the above quote that with a 2 inch lift ..not needed , but I thought I may just have one of those bloody cases where it is ?...cheers

also I havent gone through the process of bleeding them in-case the fluid is that old and lost it's guts...maybe I should continue the process of elimination first !...but it seemed too close to doing the lift

Menace,

it is actually a brake proportioning vavle which is attached to the rear diff, with a spring to the body.

This valve is a load sensing valve where as you load the truck up with gear, the body will naturally sag or drop towards the ground with the extra weight, which 'unloads ' the spring, and lets extra brake power go to the rear wheels.

The other way of looking at it, is that when you lift the body, you are stretching the spring, and now the valve is stuck on proportioning the least amount of brake fluid to the rear brakes, so you get less braking performance from the rear.

I will need to look up the actual correct adjustment proceedure, as I dont want to put something out there that is wrong, but it is as easy as adjusting a cap screw on the side on the valve actuating lever...

Mic

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Originally Posted by menace 2

so what is this brake bias bracket , where does it fit up , and what does it do ?

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Bias Bracket is on top of the rear diff which connects to a spring which connects to the load L.S.V ( Load Sensing Valve ), the info below my pics is for a GU but is same on the GQ's

DISCLAIMER: I'm not a mecanic and know nothing about mechanics so don't listen 2 me

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Below copied from: Aksniss who has compiled a reference document for Nissan Patrol 4WD's : http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?89-Nissan-Patrol-Reference-Document/page2



Rear Brake Force Less Due To Lift Kit - Brake Proportioning Valve


If you have lifted your GU Nissan Patrol it is better to re-align the rear Brake Proportioning
Valve (BPV) control arm. Most people don’t do it.


What Is It - A Technical Explanation

A load sensing proportioning valve system for the hydraulic brake system of passenger cars and

the like for varying the amount of brake fluid pressure and thus the braking torque at the rear

brakes of a passenger car.

The system includes a load sensor oriented between a suspension component, such as a

supporting spring, and the vehicle frame or body and includes a cavity for incompressible fluid.

A variation in load will vary the volume of the cavity for providing increased pressure and

volumeric flow of an incompressible fluid from the cavity to a proportioning valve incorporated

into the hydraulic brake lines extending from the master cylinder, to the rear brakes of a

passenger car for regulating the proportioning valve to vary the braking pressure and thus

braking torque to the rear wheels. This reduces or eliminates premature rear wheel locking

when applying brakes of a lightly loaded vehicle and to maintain adequate braking force for the

same vehicle when heavily loaded.

A flexible line interconnects the load sensor and the proportioning valve to compensate for

relative movement between the vehicle frame and suspension system and the proportioning

valve includes an actuator in the form of an actuating piston, engageable with the proportioning

piston in the proportioning valve to regulate the movement of the proportioning piston and thus

regulate the proportioning valve in response to variations in load applied to the rear suspension

components of the vehicle.


What is it - A plain english explaination



To reduce hydraulic pressure to the rear brakes so the rear brakes don't lock up when the

brakes are applied, a "proportioning valve" is required. This valve helps compensate for the
differences in weight distribution front-to-rear as well as the forward weight shift that occurs
when the brakes are applied.
What we're really talking about here is "brake balance" or "brake bias", which is the difference
in the amount of hydraulic pressure channelled to the front and rear brakes. The front brakes
on most rear-wheel-drive vehicles normally handle about 60-70 percent of the brake load. But
on front-wheel-drive cars and minivans, as well as RWD and 4WD pickups and SUVs, the
percentage handled by the front brakes can be as much as 90 percent of the load.
Consequently, the front brakes need a higher percentage of the total hydraulic force that's
applied to keep all four brakes properly balanced.
If the front-to-rear brake force isn't balanced correctly by the proportioning valve, the rear
brakes will receive too much brake force, causing them to lock up and skid when the brakes are
applied. The other reason for using a proportioning valve to reduce hydraulic pressure to the
rear brakes has to do with the design of the brakes themselves. When hydraulic pressure is
applied to the wheel cylinder inside a drum brake, the shoes are pushed outward against the
drum. When the shoes make contact, the rotation of the drum tries to drag them along. But
since the shoes are anchored in place, the drum pulls the shoes up tighter only against itself.
Because of this, drum brakes that are "self-energising" require little additional pedal effort once
the brakes are applied. Disc brakes, on the other hand, are not self-energising. It takes
increased pedal effort to squeeze the pads against the rotor.
Some vehicles have load sensing proportioning valves that change rear brake metering to
compensate for changes in vehicle loading and weight shifts that occur during braking. This type
of proportioning valve has an adjustable linkage that connects to the rear suspension or axle.

As the vehicle is loaded, ride height decreases and pressure to the rear brakes is increased. This
type of proportioning valve can be found on many minivans, 4WDs and even some passenger
cars.
Load sensing proportioning valves usually are adjustable, and must be adjusted correctly if they
are to properly balance the rear brakes to the vehicle's load. The valve linkage is adjusted with
the suspension at its normal height (wheels on the ground) and the vehicle unloaded. The
adjustment bracket or linkage is then adjusted according to the vehicle manufacturer's
instructions, which typically involves adjusting the linkage to a certain position or height.
Load-sensing proportioning valves are also calibrated to work with stock springs. Any suspension
modifications that increase the load-carrying capability (installing helper springs, or overload or
air-assist shocks, for example) may adversely affect the operation of this type of proportioning
valve. Modifications that make the suspension stiffer reduce the amount of deflection in the
suspension when the vehicle is loaded, which prevents the proportioning valve from increasing
rear brake effort as much as it normally would. A defective proportioning valve, or one that is
not properly adjusted, can also upset brake balance. If the rear brakes on a vehicle seem to be
overly aggressive (too much pressure to the rear brakes), or the vehicle seems to take too long
to stop (not enough pressure to the rear brakes), the problem may be a bad proportioning valve.
Proportioning valves can be tested by installing a pair of hydraulic gauges (one on each side of
the valve) to see if the valve reduces pressure as it should.
On some late-model vehicles, the mechanical proportioning valve has been replaced by
"electronic" brake proportioning through the ABS system. By sensing wheel speeds, the ABS
system reduces pressure to the rear brakes as needed when the brakes are applied.


So putting the above simply

It makes sure that the right amount of brake fluid pressure is

being directed to the rear brakes when you need it most, like carrying a load. If you modify the
height of the vehicle then you will have to modify the BPV bracket to suit. If you do not have
the skills to make a bracket yourself, Snake Racing sell them, take a look at
http://www.snakeracing.com.au/, click on the
button and search on “brake bracket”.
They are between $22 and $28 each.


How to do and examples


Always make the bracket the same height as your lift, I measured from the centre of the bottom
hole 2” (50 mm) as I have a 2” lift. The idea is to make sure that the spring re-aligns itself at an
almost 45 degree angle to the BPV lever. On a GU 4 this does not sit level as some may mention.
I checked a stock standard GU4 prior to adjusting mine. On other models it may be different so
find a standard un-lifted vehicle, climb in underneath and take a look to be doubly sure.
Once fitted you do not need as much force on the pedal. Under hard braking it is much more
controlled and has less nose dive as it is not just up to the front brakes to slow you down now.

DO NOT touch the allen head screw on the valve these are pre-set from the factory. The spring
needs to measure between 175mm and 178mm end to end of the spring not just the coils.
Some will tell you that the spring is self adjusting, meaning that when you lift the vehicle the
spring will stay at the correct length, this in fact it actually does with a 2” lift. What changes is
the ability of the spring to provide the correct tension at the correct angle. As for higher lifts
check out the picture in this section of a GU4 that has a 5” lift, the spring is almost vertical to
the BPV lever.

The adjustment procedure can be found in the GQ manual in the BR - Brake Section

I have not ever heard of brake proportioning valve bracket being needed for a 2" lift.
I wouldn't stuff around with your brakes unless you know 100% what youre doing, take it to a brake joint to adjust the valve or mechanic

I definitely needed it for my GU with a 2 inch lift, before I made a bracket the dam thing would not stop,
after I put the bracket on it was much better.

I made a bracket for mine and noticed the difference specially in the wet and I'm only on a 2".

don't waste your time adjusting anything just make the bracket and your done this way you can take the bracket out if you go to a standard hight or replace it with a 3"-4" bracket in the future to suit future lifts, and just make it don't bother buying one....
It will take 10 mins

Cheers thanks to all with the info...much appreciated...NissanGQ4.2...a fair bit of work putting all that in cheers mate..
Yes I have the valve under the car...have never really put much thought into what it did other than assume it was some sort of diaphram or the like....should have traced the lines to and from it !....lol....will just fabricate a bracket as suggested and just allow for the 50mm lift with the bolt holes....sorry it took so long to reply...have had to drive back up north again....my manuals were up here when i first posted...but I forgot I also had them on the pc ...derrr.....cheers all

would just like to say that the spring actually stretches when under load it does not compress as happy gu stated if in doubt jack up the body to alleviate weight you will notice the spring compresses and the lever is touching the adjustment screw . this means the rear brakes have less power because it thinks there is less load on the vehicle .if the lever is as far as possible from the adjustment screw the brakes have the most power which is where I have it . The reason is I have a steel tray with canopy and tool boxes with full time fridge so my vehicle is always loaded . as I have extra helper leafs installed and air bags I found this the best option for controlled braking as before my ute would not stop. also the bracket is a must easy to make and install on a ute .