ABS=through fence,bogged,close calls

[jedskipow]

Have got L plates on as far as forum goes so maybe couldn't find it.

ABS just locks releases and on anything slimy they start doing so with very gentle application.
Other people must have same problem on dirt,loose gavel abs brakes won't stop you half as quick. Toyota have a switch I'm told. My wife has already put it though fence. Tried pulling fuse and that worked but am worried about legal issues on highway. I ignore brake pedal and use gears and park (very gently) and that works although in emergency when it counts its hard to remember and hard on park brake especially.
One day I'll forget and end up useing gears hard receiving tailgater on towball..
Yes speed is a big issue (tell that to my wife PLEASE don't say I said it) but 2nd gear into it, oh crap, I've lost control, I don't want control, I WANT TO STOP.
Any wires I could cut and put in switch for use on dirt and what about legal beagles.

[Bob]

I have never had any trouble with ABS on Gravel etc.

You can always pull on the Handbrake and that will lock up your wheels but I think I would rather ABS

You have to remember that you are driving a rather heavy vehicle

[BearGUST]

ABS does not work as effectively on loose/slippery surfaces - end of story.
But it should not be anywhere near as bad as what you're describing, is it possible there is a fault in the system??? If not it should be quite easy to adapt to, and maybe pull the fuse when you are off road?
I wouldn't think any vehicle would come with a switch to turn ABS off (except maybe some very high performance vehicles), vehicles with ESP (Electronic Stability Program) have a switch to turn it off but ABS will stay active.

[jedskipow]

The gq s stop far more effectively in slimy conditions (old girl got no back brakes racing slick tyres an
d driven far harder but stops far better. abs great for bitumen or hard gravel brakes work great. Pulled fuse for while when wet and brakes great although abs better on black and it stopped other things as well plus putting in and removeing fuse every time I wish to drive it is a bit much.
ABS half stopping distance on road and double it on slimy, loose and corugated conditions.
I'd hate to cut the wrong wire.
land rover /vw amorak have a off road abs mode that comes on automatically in 4wd
land cruiser 200/ Range Rover have multi mode abs which effectifly senses conditions and changes to a different setting for snow, ice, mud or loose conditions

[the evil twin]

Yep... ABS is rubbish if not dangerous off the bitumen. Doesn't allow you to "brush and bury" for emergency braking. Seen the differences demonstrated on advanced driver courses and as others say it is considerable

Most people who can be bothered pull the fuse and you could put in a switch if you like. However I would be wary of an insurance issue arising from any hard wired mod or missing fuse in a prang.

You didn't hear it from me but hypothetically I did hear a fairy tale of a mate of a mate who found a "cough cough" blown fuse in the ABS slot every now and then. No driver blame attached to a blown fuse

[jedskipow]

Blown fuse again, bugger.
Might ring insurance and ask about switch.
Did that for non airbag bar and explained had they said ring nissan because warranty. Ended up with letter from both saying professionally made bar for that car fine. I think law changed since then pushed by a certain AMERICAN OWNED company beginning with T that is always saying Made in Aus

[Schwanny]

Thanks to all for giving back my sanity. Nissan do not believe that their ABS just releases brakes and in we go at full speed.
The blown fuse is a must, and Nissan Australia Technical people are all Kylie Mole and not qualified, and the Sales outlets dont care.
Like all good things (this is my 5th Patrol), Nissan keep improving it and making it not as good as before.
Aluminium rims, Fuel Switch, 17in Wheels, no radio aerial, split back seat etc, everyone a step backwards, and no new V6 engine!

[WogsRus]

On the new GU8 the ABS is called Adaptive ABS and let me tell you it stops on a dime in dirt compared to my old 2007 Paj. It basically sensors, somehow, that you are on a loose surface and it will pretty much let you lock the brakes right up.

[mudski]

I don't get it. Does the Op actually have a fault or is it just normal for ABS of which ever model he is talking about?

[BigRAWesty]

I don't get it. Does the Op actually have a fault or is it just normal for ABS of which ever model he is talking about?

The OP hasn't been back for over a year..

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[mudski]

The OP hasn't been back for over a year..

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

Err yeah :D I didn't notice that.

[jedskipow]

Err yeah :D I didn't notice that.

yeah apparently there are a lot off blown fuses and extra bits of wire on rural cars or people learn to live with it. One bloke I I know won a pajero and after the first rain traded it as the combination of abs and electronic stability made it uncontrollable on wet gravel. Prado, patrol, anything with abs has this drama apparently.

[bullo]

Hi,
I agree with" wogsrus" that the GU8 has no problem stopping on dirt roads, even towing a heavy caravan. I think you have a faulty unit and it should be checked out. cheers

[Bulbous]

This needs checking, but I was told that with patrols.
If the wheels have turned at different speeds for 45 seconds or more then the ABS system is automatically desensitized. If the wheels have spun at the same speed for 3 minutes or more then it is re-enabled.

Imagine starting a drive on sand/gravel by doing a donut, which turns off your ABS. Drive goes well and brakes are fine. You stall the car and restart the engine - the ABS is now back on.

As I understand it, that means that it may be active or de-sensitized and you as a driver will not know which until you really need the brakes.

It also explains why some people say that they are fine and some say that they're not.

I have driven my car in the dunes with the fuse in and had to brake hard and it's worked perfectly. I have also driven the same car and had the brakes fail to stop with the pedal juddering and the ABS
kicking in.

I remove the fuse so that I KNOW it is not active.

[4wdreaming]

there is a mod you can do to the 100 series that turns the ABS on and off by switch i will see if i can find it and post it up.
it may help someone who wants to something like it to their patrol.

[ktmarty]

That could get exciting Bulbous..!!

"ABS or not ABS. Got to admit with all the excitement i kinda lost track myself. Well you've got to ask yourself one question. Do ya feel lucky.. punk?" ( Dirty Harry... )

[goldfinder]

I'll back the issues with Patrol ABS. Twice have had the rectum puckered tighter than a nuns **** and unable to stop. Once was down a slippery hill with me pushing the brake pedal through the floor while the ABS ECU decided I didn't need brakes and kept the wheels turning accelerating me to what I thought was going to be my death. Got lucky and only just missed a tree on that occasion. The second time I hit a spoon drain a little fast down a hill causing the wheels to get light on the ground and again the ABS wouldn't let me brake sufficiently causing me to clip an embankment with only a minor scuff on the bulbar. Current patrol has no ABS. ABS is great on the black stuff though.

[paradise man]

This needs checking, but I was told that with patrols.
If the wheels have turned at different speeds for 45 seconds or more then the ABS system is automatically desensitized. If the wheels have spun at the same speed for 3 minutes or more then it is re-enabled.

Imagine starting a drive on sand/gravel by doing a donut, which turns off your ABS. Drive goes well and brakes are fine. You stall the car and restart the engine - the ABS is now back on.

As I understand it, that means that it may be active or de-sensitized and you as a driver will not know which until you really need the brakes.

It also explains why some people say that they are fine and some say that they're not.

I have driven my car in the dunes with the fuse in and had to brake hard and it's worked perfectly. I have also driven the same car and had the brakes fail to stop with the pedal juddering and the ABS
kicking in.

I remove the fuse so that I KNOW it is not active.

HI,i am from Kuwait and i am new to this forum i own a 2013 nissan patrol,everything was fine until one day when i was parking on a ramp and the weather was very cold ,i started the patrol after 2 minutes i selected reverse on my gear and as soon as i released the hand brake the car went back very quickly on this ramp and there was no brakes the brake pedal was reaching the floor with something kicking it back slightly without power of stopping the vehicle i pressed the hand brake to stop it could have crashed into our neighbor house though,but thank god i have bin saved by the hand brake,i kept the car on for about 5 minutes and when the temperature raised up the brakes are back a gain and everything is fine!!!do you know why this thing happened to me??it is a dangerous thing to deal with,thanks in advance

[Drewboyaus]

In all seriousness mate, are you sure you didn't hit the throttle? It has been known to happen........often blamed on something else.
You're better off posting a new thread in the right section mate. You have more chance of getting a good response.
Cheers