Build of Australia's FASTEST PATROL ...Potentially, Using RB26DETT Goodness :)

[MudSlut]

Hey I'm Matt, and this is my 91 GQ Patrol 4 door ute. I purchased this bad boy in March 2012 with the chop, paint, lift, wheels and tyres already done by the previous owner, Now it's my turn to add my own touch. :thumbup:
For starters It has a TB42 Gas/Petrol carby... That need to go to make room for the Twin turbo Nissan Skyline GT-R motor... Yes I said it Twin Turbo baby! I'll probably leave it twin turbo instead of going for a big single as a low RPM spool will be needed. I will be putting as much into the motor as financially possible to get as much low end torque as possible, I have come from the Import scene and cant seem to let it go completely :) I know it isn't going to be GT-R fast but its sure going to give most cars a run for their money.
Next in line after the Motor transplant will be a custom instrument cluster, custom door trims from sheet steel, New Comp style bull bar, 40" tyres on 15"x14" Pro Comp rims, Diff Lockers, better suspension. So i should be ketp busy for the next 24 months or so HAHAHA
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[Bigrig]

This shapes to be somewhat exciting old mate!!! Can't wait to see progress on this one ...

[Forced Offroad]

All the best with the build. Sund like a cracker. I know some extremely fast patrols and its ridiculous how fast they are.

What sort of gearing are you going to use for the 40" tires? That's a lot of rubber to turn to make it Aus's fastest patrol.
And What the brand is the font bar? like how it's been modified.

Cheers

[growler2058]

Woo hoo sounds like a plan!! A hell of a plan


Tappin N Crappin

[AB]

Sounds good mate, keep us informed with the progress indeed!!!

[Maxhead]

This I gotta see mate, Looking forward with intrest

[MudSlut]

I'll probably save the 40's for the real driving and the 35's or even some stockos for the street, as for the diffs I'm unsure on what's out there. If anyone could point me in the right direction for great info on diff ratios are available that would be great. Also say I got ARB lockers, do they have enythung to do with the ratio? Or do I keep my crown wheel?

As for the bull bar that is on the patrol at the mo, it's an ARB Winch bar from what I can tell, well it has a ARB sticker on it and looks factory. lol

Oh and what "Tappin N Crappin"? I have seen it a few times on this forum now.

[Ben-e-boy]

Hey I'm Matt, and this is my 91 GQ Patrol 4 door ute. I purchased this bad boy in March 2012 with the chop, paint, lift, wheels and tyres already done by the previous owner, Now it's my turn to add my own touch. :thumbup:
For starters It has a TB42 Gas/Petrol carby... That need to go to make room for the Twin turbo Nissan Skyline GT-R motor... Yes I said it Twin Turbo baby! I'll probably leave it twin turbo instead of going for a big single as a low RPM spool will be needed. I will be putting as much into the motor as financially possible to get as much low end torque as possible, I have come from the Import scene and cant seem to let it go completely :) I know it isn't going to be GT-R fast but its sure going to give most cars a run for their money.
Next in line after the Motor transplant will be a custom instrument cluster, custom door trims from sheet steel, New Comp style bull bar, 40" tyres on 15"x14" Pro Comp rims, Diff Lockers, better suspension. So i should be ketp busy for the next 24 months or so HAHAHA
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This will be good. I think we have a contender for the king of the hammer race in the U.S.

[Ben-e-boy]

I'll probably save the 40's for the real driving and the 35's or even some stockos for the street, as for the diffs I'm unsure on what's out there. If anyone could point me in the right direction for great info on diff ratios are available that would be great. Also say I got ARB lockers, do they have enythung to do with the ratio? Or do I keep my crown wheel?

As for the bull bar that is on the patrol at the mo, it's an ARB Winch bar from what I can tell, well it has a ARB sticker on it and looks factory. lol

Oh and what "Tappin N Crappin"? I have seen it a few times on this forum now.


The have replied using the tappa talk app

[Ben-e-boy]

This will be good. I think we have a contender for the king of the hammer race in the U.S.


If you dont know what king of the hammer is, it is a race that has high speed desert stages and insane low range crawling stages

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy_a1pmrP74

[1MadEngineer]

I think you have a lot of work ahead of you to beat heaths!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITLPfMOLLO8&feature=relmfu

[MudRunnerTD]

I think you have a lot of work ahead of you to beat heaths!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITLPfMOLLO8&feature=relmfu

Yeah Heath came to mind when i first read this thread......lol

Sounds like a sweet build though but there are some pretty serious builds done over the life of the Patrol. I have no doubt it will be awesome mate.

[GQUTERUS]

Gday mate, the truck looks great mate!

There are alot of quick Patrols on the road now, Heaths Duramax is stupidly fast! There is also a twin turbo LS1 GU making 490hp on a lazy 9psi.

Will be good to see a 26 in a patrol.

[MudSlut]

Wow, 12.27... That's faster than my 200sx ran, but I did have a LOT of wheel spin! I ran a 13.502 with no traction in 1st or second. Auto box would make that time a lot easier to obtain. Looks like I have a lot of work on my hands if I will hold this title of Aus's fastest trol.

Back to the build now, I have just had the bearings in the rear diff replaced as the front one had let go, and the diff is still a little noisy. So I looked into the price of oem crown and pinion gears, looks like the replacement ones are $1,100 each and the low ratio turbo diesel ones 4.625:1 are half the price, so I could do my low ratio diff mod now.

The BIG question now is... Do these diesel low ratio gears fit into my petrol diff housing? Or is there a better option for about $500-$600 per end? I'll also be looking into lockers while it's all apart. Any hints on what's the best bang for buck on lockers and any to steer clear of would be great.

[macca86]

lockers arb or tjm seem to be the standard or auto lockers like lokka or detroit seem to be the go with high hp I'd want mini or full spool if it's a staight comp truck and not on the road as a daily.
As for your rb sat up Are you going to stroke it or use the rb30 bottom for low torque and the 26 head and twin turbo set up and a 100 shot of nos to spool her up would be the go.
Do you need to change the diff ratios for your 4x4 a transfer case reduction gears will sort out your rock crawling running 40" tyres 33's for the road and strip you might not need the gear change it's short enough depens if you're after 1/4 mile runs or off road racing then you'll wanna plate and brace your diffs for jumping to.

[Silver]

thanks MudSlut and everyone who has contributed something to MudSluts post - an area of Patrolling I know nothing about, and will not be involved in.

Despite that, makes for fascinating reading.

Good luck, and looking forward to more interesting reads :-)

[growler2058]

The centres should go straight in not sure if there are differences in axle splines at all. lokka dont do a rear for the patrol and i heard detroits are becoming hard to find

[MudSlut]

Well I'm not going to be entering truck racing events like the King of the Hammer event as it looks like a great way to destroy your truck... It will be more made for just a bit more fun off road and a squirt on the black top every not and then. I want to keep it as capable as a daily as possible but mostly a weekend worrier.

I didn't know a gear reduction was in the Transfer case, what would be the difference between changing the diffs compared to the transfer case? Is the transfer case reduction only when you put it in "Low reduction"? As far as I know the diffs that are in it at the mo are the tallest ones that the patrol came with, I think I will need to lower the ratio of the diffs anyways if I get 40's because it's slow enough as it is, I haven't ever used 5th gear...

[nissannewby]

Heaths new engine combo should see him pushing close to the 10s mark and is aiming for somewhere in the vicinity of 1000 rwhp not to mention the turbo 4.8s out of dubai could get some inspiration off these fellas have you thought about the possibilty of something like a 2JZ setup very tough motor and can make great power on a standard bottom end more so than the 26

[nissannewby]

Transfer gears will only change your low range gearing. Where as diff gears change your final drive ratio regardless of where the transfer is selected. It depends on what tyres your going to run on the street, if 35's i would be doing the diff gears as well as it will improve driveability on the black top sunstantially.

[04OFF]

Don't want to poop on your parade, but unless you plan to be running mid 9s and 140MPH, i doubt you will get the fastest AU patrol title you would really like.......

http://www.westernlinkautomotive.com.au/customers_yyynot.shtml



Its unfortunate, because i can understand what you are doing, (and i prefer your idea) and yours will be a actual "4wd", and be able to be used as a daily driver on the street "and" taken off road, the sad part as always with any type of drag "title" in general, is that sometimes street cars often have to compete with drag cars that have number plates.

Perhaps you could go for the fastest "4WD" Patrol in AU ?

[taslucas]

It will definately be the fastest trol in Tassie mate!

[MudSlut]

Yes well seeing as Heath is pushing 1000PH and seems to be a dedicated strip queen (Not trying to offend anyone but with the little knowledge i have about his Patrol) that's how it looks, please correct me if I am wrong. I think i'll have to settle for AU's second fastest road reg partol or maybe in the top 10 lol. it was only a title for a forum thread anyway, not really a goal.

[04OFF]

Yes, that Patrol is a credit to its owner, unbolt the wheelie bar, and bolt up a exhaust system and i bet you could drive it around on the road no problem at all (assuming it doesn't get hot in traffic etc), the race fuel could be a problem on the street, and i see he's also in the "cheaters club" (NOS) lol.

Having being into drag racing most of my life, im still old school, where if you run a "street car" at the drags, you run it "exactly" as you drive it on the street, otherwise your time say's very little (this meant only 185 rear tyres for me)

It would be very interesting to see what it runs in my idea of "real street trim",pipes up, pump fuel, no wheelie bars or bottle etc, going by the weight & HP (still running the ET Streets) it would still have to be around high 10's @ 120+MPH, so not to be sneezed at !


Try asking him if he's interested in taking it over to Fraser Island for a weekend of camping and fishing tho :clapping:

[nissannewby]

Heaths is diesel so will be running your run of the mill diesel fuel. He is also trying to keep it streetable i do believe he is going to try and keep it registered but i have seen some of his build up and it could be quite hard in doing so

[nissannewby]

Nothing wrong with having a goal mate get out there and pursue it research is the key and as with everything do it right the first time and you will get what you want to achieve

[Barney Rubble]

This should be a good one to follow.

[BlackOIL]

you neeed to get a GT_R badge for it when your finished.................. i can see it now Patrol GT-R............ i like it

[iansmqshotyy]

rb 26 tt = awesome, but if i was to do a twin turbo in a patrol, and im a die hard nissan man.... it would have to be the all alloy quad cam 4.5lt vh 45 out of the infinity,v8 torque turbo hp... best of both worlds these things are now the drift waepon of choice in the likes of s13 and s14's in the us and make massive power ...

[taslucas]

rb 26 tt = awesome, but if i was to do a twin turbo in a patrol, and im a die hard nissan man.... it would have to be the all alloy quad cam 4.5lt vh 45 out of the infinity,v8 torque turbo hp... best of both worlds these things are now the drift waepon of choice in the likes of s13 and s14's in the us and make massive power ...

There is a SWB GQ getting around here with one of those infinity V8's in it. It was featured in 4WD action about 6 months ago. I have seen it at a mechanics but havent seen it in action. He was having a lot of problems with cooking the auto. Would be pretty damn fun in a SWB though!

[iansmqshotyy]

there are kits in th us now to fit these things to the 300zx 5 speed , i wonder could it be adapted to an rb box? hmm the gears of mischeif turn again..... the last time i did this the old l series bluebird ended up with a microtec and a stainless tunnel ram injection mwahhahaha...

[taslucas]

there are kits in th us now to fit these things to the 300zx 5 speed , i wonder could it be adapted to an rb box? hmm the gears of mischeif turn again..... the last time i did this the old l series bluebird ended up with a microtec and a stainless tunnel ram injection mwahhahaha...

:hijacked::hijacked:

The infinity V8 bolts staight onto a TB42 auto box as they use the same box in the infinity. Only have to change the engine mounts (and probably move a few bits n pieces around the engine bay)
If you could get a bellhousing to match a TB42 to an RB30 box then i guess you could put the infinity into the RB30, but the infinity would probably wreck the rb30 box.

[iansmqshotyy]

so in that respect, it should in all therory bol t to the msnual as well then?

[Breaks]

so in that respect, it should in all therory bol t to the msnual as well then?

im also very curious for an answer on that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Trolatron]

Hey I seen you a couple weeks ago on the highway near Boat Harbour , looks great mate.

[Breaks]

:hijacked::hijacked:

The infinity V8 bolts staight onto a TB42 auto box as they use the same box in the infinity. Only have to change the engine mounts (and probably move a few bits n pieces around the engine bay)
If you could get a bellhousing to match a TB42 to an RB30 box then i guess you could put the infinity into the RB30, but the infinity would probably wreck the rb30 box.

Do u know by any chance if it will also bolt to the manual box???

[taslucas]

Do u know by any chance if it will also bolt to the manual box???

No idea mate sorry.

[brodz_666]

This thing will be sick bud! Goodluck

[iansmqshotyy]

should fit as tb42 is same bell patern man or auto other wise engines would have to be different .... the clutch however is another issue, but my experaince with nissan is although things make look differfen and be years apart there are usually bits from another model that will work for instance the ka 24de out of the navara will bolt to the gear box of a 1600! so its just trial and error (:

[Dune]

0-0 stumbled across this thread searching for other info about a GU. Had to stop and congratulate you for undertaking such a project.

I did see an RB26 Pootroll (GU) forsale about 2 months ago, from WA I think, also looked like a youtube clip of it on a beech. You could probably find it with a search.

I used to drive a R33 GTR V-Spec in anger

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k144/gtaaahhhh/GTR/gtrfrontside.jpg

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k144/gtaaahhhh/GTR/top-GTR.jpg

which made decent power at all 4

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k144/gtaaahhhh/GTR/dyno1600x1200.jpg

and went pretty quick


http://s87.photobucket.com/albums/k144/gtaaahhhh/GTR/?action=view&current=Video00100.mp4

My immediate thoughts are same as yours, keep the twins small - GT2860R in a.45ar if possible. The small capacity of the RB26 can be left lagging with too big a turb on each bank of 3 cylinders. Matching turbo's to the RB26 is a bit of a dark art, follow the tried and true roads for the power in the rev range you want to achieve.

Go a MAFless tune.

You'll also need forged pistons to handle some extra boost to keep it safe.

Upgraded fuel system, at least a high flow in tank pump and larger injectors, don't bother about swapping the fuel rail.

You will NEED an extended race sump, (eg hi-octain type), actually don't know how you will work this as the front diff for the GTR runs through the sump. but I guess you got that worked out. IF your RB looses any oil at all form the pick-ups, say from going up/down/sideways, particularly under high RPM it will flat spot a bearing in a handful of revolutions and you will need a rebuild of the bottom end, this will cost you about $7,000 - $10,000. So best to do it right form the get go.

While we are talking about oil, get an oil cooler with a remote oil filter mount. Gives a few extra lts and will help keep the temps down.

Dont know where you will fit the FMIC, you wont need a bigger one, but do not go any smaller to fit it in.

You will also need a decent, perhaps dual, clutch. Might as well see if you can get a lighter flywheel while your down in that area to keep the inertia down.

IT would go better with cams, but probably wont get to use them for the full potential.

As much as I would love to see this done. I think you could get more usable power with a different set up for less maintance, eg LS2. Then if needed supercharge it, even a stroked LS1 with a charger.

GTR's straight out of the box are ok, but their true potential at speed lies at how well they take to modifying and how they love to rev. Just know that to get that performance with the Pootrol drive train strapped to a RB26 you will have to rev it and the drive train will rob a lot of power, regardless of diff ratios.

Remember it's not just the RB26 that made the GTR great, the ATTESA-ETS (pro in V-Spec) was doing 1000 calculations a second to get the most out of the drive train to convert all that power to forward motion as efficiently as possible, strapping the RB26 to a agricultural drive train like a patrol just ain't going to give you the berries you may be hoping for.

With the $$$ you will spend you could buy both a GTR and a Pootrol. But don't let me stop you, I think it's a wild idea. Make sure you get the RB26 from R33 and later as the crank is improved over the R32's.

I'll be watching this to see how it goes :hpfredgeorge1:

[stets]

here is your GT-R badge on a patrol, been on there for a long time, and from what i was told when i bought mine, it had an rb26dett in it at one stage. it now has a 6.2ltr v8 diesel in it though...... i may not go anywhere fast... but i go anywhere!!

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff303/ibuckout2/zcloseupsmall2.jpg

i also used to play with an old r32 gt-r spent a lot of money on it after i brought it over from japan.... so many pics have been lost in later years but this is what it looked like when i paid for it... still sitting in japan at the time..

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff303/ibuckout2/gtr3Small.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff303/ibuckout2/gtr1Small.jpg

in the end it was a full turned new motor based on the 400R nismo production 3ltr stroker kit, but all made out of one piece, (read.. no spacers or sleaves) was running a titanium alloy block and head with all custom internals and a triple turbo set up. capable of running continuously at 60psi and valve bouncing at just on 11000rmp it was a real nice toy. it once registered 1019awhp ( mind it was a very cold day, and we were blowing an extraction fan out of a mobile snap freezer. ) standard road trim i managed a 10.8sec 1/4 mile and was removed from the track by officials for not having a chute and roll cage. that was the maiden voyage and the beginning of the end for my fun as it then became a daily and too many points were lost

[Dune]

nice R31, big ups on teh 3l stroker.

How do you think the RB26 would fair in the Patrol compared to a larger capacity n/a V8?

Just buys this ==> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NISSAN-PATROL-9-8-SEC-DRAG-CAR-STREET-REGO-ENGINEERED-350-CHEVY-QUICK-RACE-TUFF-/150801619175?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item231c7a18e7#ht_1796wt_1252

better be quick thou

[GQUTERUS]

That's a 32 :)

[Dune]

lol - yup. don't know why I said it was a 31' ...

[Timbo]

I've seen these types of threads before on different car forums and honestly, I'll believe it when I see some progress. What people don't tell you is that it's not just a case of swapping the motors, the trannies, the diffs if you're going for a strip and street car. Going to take quite a bit of money and dedication to do this. All the power to anyone who wants to do it, just don't get upset when the bill is getting to 15k, 20k, 25k. The kilowatt gains get lower and the price get's higher, lol.

And unless you plan reducing the weight of the car, you're going to need a lot of horsepower to push that big, heavy, un-aerodynamic 4WD down the strip super fast.

[1MadEngineer]

in the end it was a full turned new motor based on the 400R nismo production 3ltr stroker kit, but all made out of one piece, (read.. no spacers or sleaves) was running a titanium alloy block and head with all custom internals and a triple turbo set up. capable of running continuously at 60psi and valve bouncing at just on 11000rmp it was a real nice toy. it once registered 1019awhp ( mind it was a very cold day, and we were blowing an extraction fan out of a mobile snap freezer. ) standard road trim i managed a 10.8sec 1/4 mile and was removed from the track by officials for not having a chute and roll cage. that was the maiden voyage and the beginning of the end for my fun as it then became a daily and too many points were lost

1000hp !!!!!!!!!!!!thats insane.... What MPH did it do the 10.8 at?

[GU_POOTROL]

Being a WRX owner as well as a GU owner, I'm so feking excited. Love jap turbo. Being a ski-boat owner, love the 350 chev....I'm torn :(

[MudSlut]

I would kill many babies to have that r32 :D ... NO JOKE :/ O.o jokes ;)

I'm not going to race it down the strip, I just want a mad sounding town 4wd that I can hit the mud in to the sound of gate all day :P I think the rb26 is the maddest sounding 6 cyl to ever live... And the Patrol is a pretty tough looking 4wd IMO I don't think you could get a better mix of sound and looks from a 4wd... That I can afford :)

I have a rb26 sump that had been modded with a GQ sump so it fits over the chassis still and it also has a modded oil pick up from a rb26. I have a mate who done his own rb25 into a nissan navara ute, he also owns 2 r31 skyline 2 doors with rb25 and the other with a rb26 and a r34 4 door with a stock rb25... So he knows RB transplants and does all the wiring and custom fab work, so I'll be in good hands when it comes to the conversion. Oh and he also has contacts in J-Land who can get rb26 half cuts cheap.

[stets]

1000hp !!!!!!!!!!!!thats insane.... What MPH did it do the 10.8 at?

cant remember to be honest, running a g-reddy 6 speed box with custom gears the speedo topped me out at 320 kph on the 90mile straight, nullarbor.

once i hit the 300 mark adrenelin was so high i couldnt slow down, until the rev limiter hit in 6th gear

[Dune]

update?

Wots the G.O.?

[Richo460]

I saw someone selling a shorty with a 454 chev in it a few months ago, i wonder if the 460 ford bb thats in my shed will fit in my gq?
I am interested to see how it goes as well, i am a fan of v8's in trolls beacuse of the low down torque and driveablility, RB26 is a nice motor but how will it go off road?

[nissannewby]

I saw someone selling a shorty with a 454 chev in it a few months ago, i wonder if the 460 ford bb thats in my shed will fit in my gq?
I am interested to see how it goes as well, i am a fan of v8's in trolls beacuse of the low down torque and driveablility, RB26 is a nice motor but how will it go off road?

Certainly would there are blokes getting around with 582 blown v8's in patrols so imagine the 460 would go in and would sound pretty tough. I think with the rb26 you would gain good benefits in stroking it to a 3 litre

[Ben-e-boy]

I saw someone selling a shorty with a 454 chev in it a few months ago, i wonder if the 460 ford bb thats in my shed will fit in my gq?
I am interested to see how it goes as well, i am a fan of v8's in trolls beacuse of the low down torque and driveablility, RB26 is a nice motor but how will it go off road?

It would be interested to see how it goes. old mate (from what I can gather) plays in the mud so high rpm/big power might work well. unsure how that motor will perform when crawling
I do agree with nissannewby about stroking it out. patrols are big my logic says it need some cubic inches to be great.

[Richo460]

I know the RB26 head on the RB30 bottom end is a very popular combination amongst the turbo rice burner scene, i have seen these combos get 700+ horses at the wheels in dyno comps.

There is no substitute for cubic inches!

[Ben-e-boy]

I know the RB26 head on the RB30 bottom end is a very popular combination amongst the turbo rice burner scene, i have seen these combos get 700+ horses at the wheels in dyno comps.

There is no substitute for cubic inches!

yeah a mate has one with a rb25 head. the motor is built for 600+ hp but its a daily driver (sometimes by his mum) so its tune to a very streetable 350hp IMO its is a very well set up and reliable combo and definatly

[Dune]

Stroked would certainly help with low down torque the stroked or RB26/30 combo's push big numbers because they are matted to huge turbos and make that power at 6000+rpm. Also, we are talking bulk money.

Granted there are not a lot of RB26's shoved into patrols and it would be rare. But it's also a downside cause unlike most popular V8's from 5l to Ls1 and 2's they have been done enough that the R&D, kits and experience is already out there. I certainly wouldn't want a workshop 'giving it a go' if they hadn't done it successfully before.

If you are are going to stoke the RB26, you should just get a 4.8l put forged internals in it and wack on a turbo, it will make more power in the usuable rev range and will be MUCH cheaper. Otherwise for the money you will spend you can get a LS2 create motor, stoke it to 6.7 then put a charger or turbo on it and destroy all - this is the kind of money you are looking at with make big reliable pwoer from the RB26. They are highly strung engines. A patrol with an RB26 does not a GTR make.

[MudSlut]

I'm going to be keeping the rb26 twin turbo with stock turbo's or slightly bigger turbo's. doing everything I can for response like short as cooler piping most likely water cooled, tuned exhaust manifold, external gated turbos, twin filters and a custom 3" or 4" snorkel, along with a well tuned ECU. The Patrol is currently getting Low ratio diff gears installed along with a front locker. It is usually used in mud so I reckon it will be in 3rd gear and on the limiter a fair bit. I reckon it's going to be ok for what I want it for.

[MudSlut]

Just a bit of an update:
Over the last 5-6 weeks the Patrol has been in getting new low ratio diffs and a mechanical front locker put in, Yes I said 5-6 weeks... :( It's been one hold up after another, first it was that the locker hadn't turned up but the rear was good to go as the new Ring and Pinion gears had turned up, so they went in and the LSD re-shimmed. while we were waiting for the supposed Next day shipping of the front locker they got started on pulling the front end apart, new bearings, Swivel Hub rebuild kit, and maybe some other bits and pieces were ordered. Now here is where the fun begins... What we weren't told was that the locker was on back order from America! and it didn't show up for another 4 weeks :( Then they decided to pull the front apart and put everything together just to find out that the bearings weren't the right ones. New ones were ordered for next day delivery but didn't show up on time either. Then they found out that because I'm changing the gear ratio, the front shims didn't fit and they needed machining to fit. So the Patrol has been in the shop for over 5 weeks now and it's still not finished. It's been very hard to not go off my head at my mechanic for not checking all this crap and waiting 4 weeks to start on the front only to find out the wrong parts had showed up... I just hope that after all this stuffing around that it works and the ratios aren't too low for HWY use. Rant over!

[threedogs]

Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races [Carrol Shelby] IMO I'd want buckets of torque for off road, as above don't need horsepower in the slow Stuff. 2 4x4 I know with 4.8 turbo pull 14 sec qtr mile times and have 335 kw at the rear wheels. Ants dual cab GQ has 454 efi
Young fella around the corner has a V8 infiniti motor in his SWB GQ auto, sounds nice runs 37"s

[growler2058]

Gotta love playing the waiting game for parts.....NOT

[taslucas]

Hey matt, have a look at my members ride thread regarding waiting times.... It's a pain in the @rse. Mines been off the road for over 3 months in the last year, all looking for a an auto fault. Spent thousands, had months without it and it's all just to get it to normal not even to make it better! Aarrrgh! I feel your pain. Nothing happens quickly down here and theres not enough specialty workshops.

Tap, crackle, pop

[MudSlut]

Yeah Lucas, it's getting a bit silly now. The way I see it about the RB26DETT upgrade is the factory TB42c goes alright and can't be putting out any massive numbers, It seems to manage pulling the Patrol with what little power it has and the RB26 must put out better numbers from factory, so I can't see how it's going to be any worse than what's in it now.

here is a link to a video on youtube of what it should sound like. http://youtu.be/e3zK9Gvhmec

[MudSlut]

Okay, so here is the comparison of a TB42E and the RB26DETT. My motor is the TB42c which I couldn't find a power figure on, the TB42E would be making more power than my tired old Carbi clunker. When I get it back from getting the diffs built I will put it on a dyno and see just how little power it is making, I know that the heavy 35" tyres wont help the figures but it will be good to see just what I'm playing with.

TB42E and TB42S
In 1992 the TB42E emerged with electronic fuel injection and electronic ignition. At this time the TB42 was re-labeled as TB42S. OHV
175 PS (128.7 kW; 172.6 bhp) @ 4200 rpm
32.6 kg·m (320 N·m; 236 lb·ft) @ 3200 rpm

The first 2.6 L RB26DETT featured twin-turbochargers and produced around 280 hp (206 kW) @ 6800 rpm and 260 lb·ft (353 Nm) @ 4400 rpm. The last series of the RB26DETT produced 280 PS (206 kW) @ 6800 rpm and 289 lb·ft (392 Nm) @ 4400 rpm. } The reason for this discrepancy is a gentlemen's agreement between Japanese automakers to limit the advertised horsepower of any vehicle to 280 PS (276HP). It is widely known for its strength and extreme power potential. It is not uncommon for 600 hp to be achieved without modification of the engine internals. With regular maintenance, many of these engines have been driven well beyond the 100,000 mile mark with a few heading toward 200,000 miles. With extreme modification, the RB26 motor is capable of power in excess of 1 megawatt (or over 1,340 hp).

As you can see the TB42 makes (128.7 kW; 172.6 bhp) @ 4200 rpm, (320 N·m; 236 lb·ft) @ 3200 rpm and the RB26 makes 280 hp (206 kW) @ 6800 rpm and 260 lb·ft (353 Nm) @ 4400 rpm. I know the RB makes it's power at a higher RPM but I don't think it will be an issue considering the TB42 redlines at at 6000 rpm and I do spend a bit of time on the limiter :).

[97_gq_lwb]

Sounds to me like you need to learn how to change gears lol.
Why would you spend a lot of time on the rev limit when you can feel the power drop off way before the rev limiter ?
Or even better buy an auto.

[MudSlut]

Some more videos,RB25 in snow (http://youtu.be/iAPHHYVD0Pc), RB25 in mud (http://youtu.be/7Ax80G3EreE)

[MudSlut]

Sorry, should have said in the mud i spend a bit of time on the limiter. not like i just drive down the road in second gear or anything.

[taslucas]

Seems a lot of people keep saying that torque is better than power for 4wding but those figures show that the RD26DETT has more power AND torque (albeit at a higher rpm). So i say GO FOR IT man!! Cant wait to see the mudslvt out on the tracks:)

How many ks does the TB42 have on it?

[97_gq_lwb]

Yeah i reckon auto's are much better in the mud rb26 auto mud hack would be a bit of fun.
It is interesting though if you look at these huge horsepower monster trucks in the mud they are pretty useless all cammed up for high rpm power as soon as the power hits they bog down and sink in the mud.

[MudSlut]

yeah Lucas, loving the haters HAHAHA. The patrol has 250,xxx km's from memory, bit hard to remember seeing as I haven't sat in it for nearly 6 weeks. I'm keen to do it, I've never been much of a sheep and did what everyone else has done. you never know, it might just be a weapon! And in the end if it sucks i'll just pull it out and put it in a $3,000 silvia and sell it for $10,000 and put the 10 grand into something sheepish to power the patrol :(

[taslucas]

Yeah i reckon auto's are much better in the mud rb26 auto mud hack would be a bit of fun.
It is interesting though if you look at these huge horsepower monster trucks in the mud they are pretty useless all cammed up for high rpm power as soon as the power hits they bog down and sink in the mud.

Nothing but high rpm will get you through the mud. Remember, where Mudslut and i live lol, mud mud mud mud.........

[Winnie]

Nothing but high rpm will get you through the mud. Remember, where Mudslut and i live lol, mud mud mud mud.........

Same story here. Power > torque when it comes to mud. Pretty much everywhere else though I'd rather the torque.

Tappa tappa

[taslucas]

Same story here. Power > torque when it comes to mud. Pretty much everywhere else though I'd rather the torque.

Tappa tappa

But you drive like a granny anyway winnie!?? lol

[97_gq_lwb]

Ok from what i have seen in seriously big mud holes the opposite occurs high power at high rpm makes them bog down dig into the mud further and that's when they get stuck.
High speed entry into the mud works for me though the momentum helps lol.

[taslucas]

Some more videos,RB25 in snow (http://youtu.be/iAPHHYVD0Pc), RB25 in mud (http://youtu.be/7Ax80G3EreE)

That is Bl00dy amazing! That trol is off its head. If yours comes out like that, you'll be whoopin @rse all over the coast!

[Winnie]

But you drive like a granny anyway winnie!?? lol

Not offroad lol, the Party Bus turns into a different beast once it leaves the bitchy

Tappa tappa

[97_gq_lwb]

That's not mud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1G9nV769uE&feature=watch_response

[taslucas]

I know what your saying 97_gq_lwb, but im talking more about greasy hard mud, muddy hills, ruts, clay etc.

[taslucas]

heres a mate at my place last winter. TB42 33's, 3" lift, rancho adjustables.. I had a bit of a time trial day.
You gotta rev 'em in the mud:)


http://youtu.be/ZGUJ6UM_a14

EDIT: ive forgotten how to embed...

[Dune]

…The first 2.6 L RB26DETT featured twin-turbochargers and produced around 280 hp (206 kW) @ 6800 rpm and 260 lb•ft (353 Nm) @ 4400 rpm. The last series of the RB26DETT produced 280 PS (206 kW) @ 6800 rpm and 289 lb•ft (392 Nm) @ 4400 rpm. } The reason for this discrepancy is a gentlemen's agreement between Japanese automakers to limit the advertised horsepower of any vehicle to 280 PS (276HP). It is widely known for its strength and extreme power potential. It is not uncommon for 600 hp to be achieved without modification of the engine internals. With regular maintenance, many of these engines have been driven well beyond the 100,000 mile mark with a few heading toward 200,000 miles. With extreme modification, the RB26 motor is capable of power in excess of 1 megawatt (or over 1,340 hp)…


Seems you have your goal set on the RB26. Don't be too quick to believe what wiki or some 'review' website tells you. The RB26 will not make decent (READ inexcess of 300kw @ the wheels) relaible power stock day in day out the way you and it shoudl be driven, and that is hard!

First the cercamic turbo's will fail due to heat at high boost and you wont get a lazy excess of 300kw @ the wheels without a cam, larger injectors, turbo upgrade and some forgie's for safe keeping and of course a decent ecu, hopefully one that goes mafless and a good tune. RB26's have the capacity to make crazy bullshit power for such a small capacity motor. But you just ain't gunna keep it for long unless you build it right the first time, or drive it like a pussy, and you ain't gunna do that.

You will find by just turning up the wick (boost) will net you easy gains in HP but you only need look at a RB26 the wrong way and not have something done correctly and it can and will cost you big $$$.

How much confidence do you have in your mecho? How many RB26’s they worked on? Don’t let them tell you “it’s just an engine, same as any other engine”. It ain’t and there are some specific tings that you either just know or you don’t when working on them. I used to drive nearly 4hrs to a one of the tops workshops in Sydney (Silverwater Automotive) to get my GTR worked on and motor rebuilt. One rebuild was simply because another workshop didn’t put together the harmonic balance assembly correctly and the keyway thrashed out.

Don’t get me wrong I am not a hater but don’t be too swayed by what you read on the net about the RB26 pumping out big power out of the box. Stock GTR's RB26' are not particularly fast or awesinspiring. Also, I thought TAS didn’t have PULP, or at least that’s what some of us mainlanders have been told? The RB26 only runs on PULP.


…I'm going to be keeping the rb26 twin turbo with stock turbo's or slightly bigger turbo's. doing everything I can for response like short as cooler piping most likely water cooled, tuned exhaust manifold, external gated turbos, twin filters and a custom 3" or 4" snorkel, along with a well tuned ECU. The Patrol is currently getting Low ratio diff gears installed along with a front locker. It is usually used in mud so I reckon it will be in 3rd gear and on the limiter a fair bit. I reckon it's going to be ok for what I want it for.

Don’t bother too much with the larger turbo’s if you after response. Nissan didn’t pour huge amounts of money into R&D to cock up on turbo’s. They are well mated to the engine for response and minimum turbo lag. Go bigger if you intended upgrading other go fast bits too otherwise they won’t produce significantly more power over stock for the price.

Cooler piping – keep it down sure, keep the bar and plate stock cooler too, you don’t need bigger for you application it may just end in lag. GTR’s have the best stock cooler by far. No idea for a air-to-water cooler thou. Just another expense possible for not much gain. Also then no one will see your stonking great front mount if you just have some pissy under the bonnet air-to-water unit.

Exh Mani – HKS make a tops one, stainless with a separate pipe for the wastsegate. Which brings me to my next point don’t waste your money on an external gate (you don’t need new turbo’s) and you certainly don’t need external gates, they will grant you no power gains for your application, only some wank factor when you pop the hood or drive on the limittah. Plus their illegal because they vent exhaust gasses to the atmosphere

Twin filters, sure I guess, but try loose the twin MAF’s and perhaps streamline it, let it suck as much air as possible. You could loose power in air restrictions here, more than you would gain with some of your other proposed mods. If you don;t loose the MAF get the 300zx 70mm MAF X2.

ECU – I’d go a MOTEC.

Now go forth and build this monster….

[Robo]

Monster Hp Is N1 block , Big $$$ crank and so on, so go easy.
No extreme hp engine is stock block, the N1 block new still available ex Japan and local.
Frankly The last guy Dune is giving you alot of good advise so take it on board.
No one here is as keen as me to see you finished, grinning from ear to ear as me, as I drive both these you intend to Hybrid GQ & R32GTR.
I sped read thread so bear with me.
I hope you remembered good sump baffles RB26 have a habit of losing oil pressure and there goes all your $$ in 1 bang.
N1 turbos or similar is the go for 300 kW, water and oil cooling is needed also.
Do not use standard ceramic turbos, as Dune pointed out, this will only end in tears if you do, guaranteed.
remote filter & oil cooler will help cooling and added capacity.
Low speed and High revs will need good air flow so extra cooling will be required also, guaranteed.
The list is endless so I'm stopping here.
Frankly I've pondered this myself.
Recon RB has pretty good low torque considering size R32 =1500kg and gearing of gtr.
dont forget gtr good for over 250kph so gear that down to low gq ratios and F###@@#@
low down gearing to spin up turbos you should be busy and changing gears alot.
Good luck and carefull

[MudSlut]

@Dune, Thanks for all that info. I will be having the motor and tune preped by "White Hot motorsport" you might remember them from winning Targa Tas in their in house built GTR and Lambo, They have extensive R&D in the RB26 and know how to tune a motor for any application. I have 100% faith in White Hot to build and tune the RB26 to maximize it's performance for what i need. I'll be taking the Patrol to them soon for a Dyno run to see how much power and torque the TB42 is making now in RWD and 4WD and see how it ends up after the swap on the same dyno and ramp rate.

Back to the build:
The patrol is back on/off the road and it is SO much more drivable now with the low ratio gears, It's a pleasure to drive on the HWY and heaps beter off road now with the Spartan Front locker. As it in now with the 35's and the low ratio gears the speedo is a bit slower than the actual speed by about 10%, so to do 100km/h I have to be doing 110km/h on the speedo. This gives me room to play with bigger tyres if I want and still retain the factory speed. I had a little issue last night of a leaking water pump and I hope to get around to pulling it off tonight after work.

[MudSlut]

Okay :) I have some photo's to upload of some mods i have done and forgot to talk about.

First is a "Winch Isolation switch" and Control box relocation.

Reason: to prevent vandals from being able to unload the winch cable over the roof and attach it to the rear of the vehicle, shorting out the control box at the wired controller connector and crushing in the roof with the winch cable. So in short, to stop some wanker writing off my patrol for fun.

How to: Get yourself an Isolating switch from Autobarn or some other auto shop, $20 from memory, you'll also need 2 ring type connectors in whatever gauge wire your winch uses for the 12v main power.

Find a spot to mount the Switch close to the battery, I chose the relay panel next to the battery as it was nearly empty and offered good protection for the cables.
Make a template for the hole you need to cut for the switch, I used an old envelope and just cut it out as tight as I could make it using a craft knife (you may want supervision from an adult for this part as blades are sharp) lol
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get some contrasting spray paint and spray the template where you want the switch to sit, then cut it out once it's dry. For this I used a Dremel with a cutting disc and high speed cutter
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There is probably better ways to do this, but it worked for me and wasn't too hard. cut it out bit at a time and keep test fitting the switch to see where needs more trimming. I think you would want a tight fit as you can get to minimize vibration noise or things coming loose.

Fit the switch and check snugness, when your happy with the fit it is time to drill the bolt holes. For this I just fitted the switch and drilled through the holes with a drill bit the exact size of the holes.
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Now clean it up with some "Wax and Grease remover", let dry and paint. Make sure you paint all cut edges and anything that hasn't any paint on it.
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Bolt the switch to the cover and measure out the winch 12v + cable and find out the spot that would be best to cut so that it can reach the terminals of the switch and allow extra length so the cover can be removed and wires accessed easily. Cut the 12v+ and crimp the O connectors onto the cables, I used some heat shrink to cover the ends of the cable and connector, looks tidy and hopefully prevents corrosion when you spray it with fish oil or something like that. We would hate for this to be the reason your winch fails when you need it.
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bolt cover back on, test, cheer, sit down and have a beer. oh and take switch key out and hide in your car somewhere.

[dan dog]

looks good, nice job.

[DC-Auto]

if you want drive-ability you really need torque, for offroad climbing, you have to have low end torque. what is your budget for the build? to get power, you need more efficient turbo/s at high boost, which means bigger. to get torque you need larger engine displacement (stroking). you can get torque with power from small engines, there are 2 ways to do this, twin charge (supercharger & turbocharger), and compound turbo's (small turbo spooling a larger turbo, like heaths GU).

how much power and how much torque are you aiming for?

[taslucas]

Here are the torque and power figures that Matt has previously posted:



As you can see the TB42 makes (128.7 kW; 172.6 bhp) @ 4200 rpm, (320 N·m; 236 lb·ft) @ 3200 rpm and the RB26 makes 280 hp (206 kW) @ 6800 rpm and 260 lb·ft (353 Nm) @ 4400 rpm. I know the RB makes it's power at a higher RPM but I don't think it will be an issue considering the TB42 redlines at at 6000 rpm and I do spend a bit of time on the limiter :).

[97_gq_lwb]

But if he is having a motor built to suit the patrol surely they can do something with the cams and turbo to change the torque and power vs rpm to something more suitable for the gq.
Even retarding or advancing cams can shift your power and torque figures in the rpm range quite a bit.

[taslucas]

Yeah for sure. Just showing that the
Rb26 makes a lot of torque. As a few people keep inferring that he will be losing torque when getting rid of the TB42.

Tap, crackle, pop

[97_gq_lwb]

Yeah it's funny that old saying their is no substitute for cubes i thought that excuse only applied to gm lol as they need twice the cubes to make the same figures.

[Winnie]

"There is no replacement for displacement!" Dunno about that a turbo does pretty well...

[taslucas]

Yeah it's funny that old saying their is no substitute for cubes i thought that excuse only applied to gm lol as they need twice the cubes to make the same figures.

Yeah every new gm engine puts more power than the last.....quite simply by adding cubes! The only time this wasn't true with a Holden was in the VL..... Go figure!

Tap, crackle, pop

[MudSlut]

Well seeing as a stock RB26 makes more power and torque than a TB42 I can't see how it could be any worse than the hunk of junk TB42 that is in it now. I know that turbo's take time to spool up, the RB26 WILL be staying TWIN turbo, they are quite responsive as it is. I have been around Jap import motors for some time now and know that they are tuneable to just about any job. The workshop who are going to build the motor have more experience with this motor than just about anyone else in the state if not the country, so I'm 100% confident in them to be able to come up with a solution for me. Cams and Cam gears are amazing things and there are so many different Cams available for the RB26 it isn't funny. I will probably be stroking the RB26 out to a 2.8 or so, I'll have to talk to White Hot about these little bits closer to the time when I'm looking for my Half cut. I'm going to get the Patrol Dyno'd at White Hot soon to see where the TB42 sits on the chart and to set a Ramp rate on their dyno that resembles how heavy the patrol is so when it comes time to tune the RB26 we will know a good ramp rate so I don't blow it up when I finally get it on the road. I will be using a good ECU with either two maps or get a happy medium tune with high boost for when it's just the patrol and a lower boost setting for when it's towing to save running a massive fuel system to cope with the extra load on the motor while towing.

I have seen a 4 Runner with a 2JZ rock crawling, mudding and just being an all rounder. I have also seen another 4 Runner with a 1JZ doing the same, these motors have pretty similar power/torque figures to the RB26 and I do realize that the 4 Runner probably doesn't weigh as much, but I have the low ratio gears that have brought the ratios below that of a stock GQ with stock tyre size.

As for budget... Well how long is a piece of rope? I don't set budgets when modifying a vehicle, it's never finished.

[97_gq_lwb]

Yeah every new gm engine puts more power than the last.....quite simply by adding cubes! The only time this wasn't true with a Holden was in the VL..... Go figure!

Tap, crackle, pop


Thats because the only decent engine holden has ever had is the rb30 shame it sits in a rust bucket of shell with holdens shithouse suspension.
Although brock did bring out a few with irs .

Second best was a mazda rotary lol it looks funny in a big old hj holden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKwGfCKUqB4

[Robo]

take into account tb42 is turning a crank drive train that weighs considerably more than rb26 so revs is probably going to be your friend with hybrid gq.

The infinity v8 also came with 4wd system, auto box ,and used the gtr transfer case.
Peter at Advan performance, Sydney, was building a hybrid r32 gtr with infinity v8 and looking for reliable 500kw. dont know if he ever got time to finish it.
I know he made and adaptor for this engine box combo, see pic

[97_gq_lwb]

I am sure i seen a thread somewhere about a twin turbo nissan v8 in a gq somewhere before.

[Robo]

I am sure i seen a thread somewhere about a twin turbo nissan v8 in a gq somewhere before.

yep that's also what Peter was going to do with his hybrid.
alloy block, small v8 twin turbo 500 kW easy.

the word is v8 4 dr maxima next yr for supacars series.

[Winnie]

Not just word going around, it's definitely happening. With the Altima though.

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/07/63.jpg

[Robo]

Sorry altima my bad slip up.
that is artists impression not the car yet released.
cant wait already wishing I was a yr older lol.
kickin asses bring it on

[Robo]

Don't know what engine they will be running.
But If it's what I'm thinking,hoping, Nismo have been competing V8 in R35 GTR for sometime now.

[MudSlut]

18665 Next mod for the patrol, goodbye LPG, hello ULP :) just need a new sender and twin Bosch 044 and a surge tank :) are surge tanks legal in WA?

[DC-Auto]

afaik surge tanks are legal providing that they are enclosed and sealed (no vapours into cabin), alternatively you can mount a slim line surge tank / fuel set-up underneath the body

[MudSlut]

I was planning to run one under the car, any downside to that? It will be under water and mud quite often I would imagine.

On another note, I had my worst day offroading ever yesterday. It all started out as an invite to come and "have a little look" at a 4wd track, soon turned into a 16 hour battle. One hill took us from about 4pm until 3am to winch up 2 vehicles, spent another hour or so trying to pull a 100 series up a road that took the patrol about 4 mins to cover and about 10 mins to reverse all the way back to where the 100 series got stuck, only to clean up the left hand side of the patrol in some trees that I got pulled into from trying to help the 100 series. The patrol is only running on LPG at the moment and the empty light had been on for a good 3 hours at this point, so I left the 100 series to go get some more fuel before we were both stuck a couple of hours walk from a main road, only to slide down a clay slope head on to a massive mound on the drivers front. Tried to winch over it but would have rolled it, so I had to dig this bonnet mound down to a drive able mound in complete darkness with only an axe as my shovel was in the 100 series. I say complete darkness because the patrol was almost out of fuel and the battery was stuffed from winching for 11 hours straight, our phones were going flat so we used them for light only when needed. After probably 2 hours I had managed to dig the mound down to a non tipping hight and got the patrol out of there, made it to the main road and she ran out of fuel.

Called RACT for a flat bed, had to wait over an hour in the cold and we were wet, exhausted, hungry, parched. Finally the tow truck arrived at 6:30am... rescued! Finally a nice warm truck to sit in. In this time the 100 series had managed to get unstuck and make its own way out, only to drive right past us and keep on driving, this happened before the tow truck got there, think its fair to say if I ever see that guy ever again I'll punch him in the face. After all we did to help him, the damage done to the patrol (pics up soon), the $140 worth of fuel, the hours of pain, cold and hunger we suffered because he wanted to have a look at a track and the CU^T just drives on by... Some friend ay?

So what causes the steering wheel to shake at 70km/h - 85km/h? This started the first time I got to 70 after the adventure. When we slid down the hill into the mound, the front diff was driven deep into the clay with clay mounding up around the steering damper, could have I bent it?

[97_gq_lwb]

The wheel wobble would be worse with wheels full of clay.
But their are a million threads on front end wobble.

[MudSlut]

Not very good photos because it's dark now, will post better ones when I have a chance to wash it. 18719
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Might have to look up this wheel wobble then.

[taslucas]

Ahhh no good Matt. What a sh!t trip. It started off sounding like a 4wd action dvd lol (swap 100 series for milo).

Not saying that where you went wasnt hard (i believe your story) but how much have you been offroad? That is a well setup rig, it should take A LOT to stop it!

Maybe start looking at some bar work? lol! A bullbar that hoops over the indicators helps a lot for side damage (unless your going backwards).
Bar it up and then you can ram that 100 series next time you see him!!

I hope it all gets sorted out quick:)

[dan dog]

sounds like a day you rather forget .make sure you get your shovel back first. then hit him over the head with it for driving off.

[MudSlut]

Yeah my tyres were letting me down big time, they only have about 3-4mm of tread left. And it was thick slippery clay shiz all day, not the best place for near bald tyres. The 100 series has new 33" muddies and had heaps more grip than me, still didn't stop him getting stuck on every little rock or bottoming out every 10m. I wish I had an inclinometer to see how steep the big hill was. I have a few straps of his and a shackle or two also, I think we will be meeting up to swap our stuff back and going our separate ways.

[Wine_maker]

Wow! Very hard night.
Next time put handycam on dash panel or take a operator, then make a horror or thriller and sell it with name "MudSlut dark night in mud"

[taslucas]

Yeah that damn clay can be a nightmare!! Where abouts was it?

[MudSlut]

Yeah I have a GoPro but have no idea where it is :(

The track was off Railton Rd, at that recycling plant or whatever it is. There are heaps of tracks out there. I'll never turn off at the blue markers again.

[Ben-e-boy]

what kind of suspension do you have?????

[MudSlut]

As far as I know it's just 6" springs and some shocks. The rear springs are a bit tired, probably shocks also.

[Ben-e-boy]

so standard control arms and radius arm, Drop boxes. ?? what are your plans after the motor is done, you obviously have a decent budget, all the power in the world wont mean sh1t if you cant get it to the ground properly.

[MudSlut]

Yeah as far as I know everything else is standard. I was thinking of looking into airbag suspension, I'd like the option of having it at road legal hight for street use and the option of raising it only when needed. Having 8" lift and 35's is good, but the chance of rollover feels really high. And the ability to drop one side of the car or just one wheel at a time would help in some situations, like the other night I could have dropped the RHF ride hight and pumped up the LHR to be able to winch over this mound without rolling or having to cut the mound away so I didn't roll. I just don't know how drivable they would be and if they would fail easily. When you see the patrol at full flex the wheels are cambered in a heap, I don't know if this would test a airbag.http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/08/4.jpg
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/08/5.jpg
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/08/6.jpg
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/08/7.jpg

[MudSlut]

Better pics of the damage :(
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[taslucas]

Ouch!
Bar it up! Bar it up!

Tap, crackle, pop

[MudSlut]

Anyone know if full external roll cages like they have on comp trucks is road legal?

[taslucas]

There was a full body patrol in 4wd action a while ago (a year or more) that had a full cage and wad daily driven.... I'll try to find the article

Tap, crackle, pop

[MudSlut]

cheers mate.

[DC-Auto]

i can't see much of a down side running an underbody surge tank, water proof fuel pump elec terminals should solve any elec issues. i'd strongly recommend having some sort of enclosure to protect the system from rocks, branches, debris from damaging the system. i'll be running mine where the long range tanks are usually mounted, and running the lines through the chassis rail.
i didn't notice if anyone else commented on the vibration / wobble, you probably have about 300grams of mud on your front left rim, throwing your balance right out. hopefully it's as simple as just hosing off the wheels and take it for a run

[MudSlut]

I don't know if pasting the link here will work as I'm on my phone but these guys have good setups for sale. http://www.shop.cartel-aus.com/AFTERMARKET-INDUSTRIES_c33.htm
I'll be keeping my long range tank, so I'll be looking for a new spot for mine. I could always just mount it in the tray.

[Robo]

The standard gearing of hi range in GQ is much lower than the rb was ever designed to push so I dont really see you having a problem at all.
Add reduction gears as you have, and you should find the hp and torque is something only a select few of us get to play with.
I really think you should not get to carried away with big hp engine as this mtr is going to surprise you.
little things like larger injectors fitted can be tuned for lower power but give you the option of turning the wick up if you retune without the extra expense of buying another set of injectors.
Go for reliable power, the GQ's gearing will take care of the rest.
You have me wishing I had the spare cash to do this my self, but I dont think my better half wants to be setting any speed records towing a trailer lol.
cheers

[MudSlut]

Ok so what I can gather is these are the gear ratios:
1st gear | Low range ratio | Diff ratio | Final Drive ratio
What I started with: 4.556:1 | 2.02:1 | 3.900:1 | 21.955:1
What I ended with: 4.556:1 | 2.02:1 | 4.625:1 | 37.940:1
What the GTR has: 3.830:1 | N/A | 3.600:1 | 3.550:1

So if this info is correct, even with the massive wheel size difference I should still be ahead with a lower final drive ratio than what the RB26 was intended to be driven with. Am I wrong in saying that there is about 34 revolutions difference at the axle in the final drive between the GTR and Patrol? or am I looking at this the wrong way? would it also help with the RB26 having a wider band in the rev range than the TB42?

[MudSlut]

This is the Surge Tank I'll be running with Twin Bosch 044 fuel pumps, capable of pumping 260L/h at 3bar or 43psi and 600hp each, probably crank HP. I'll need a FPR to hold them back while they are powering the TB42, I'll probably only power one of them until the RB26 goes in. Get Pirtek or Enzed to make me up some braided fuel lines to prevent rub through.

[Robo]

4:30am and to tired to crunch numbers, I know diff ratio for R32 is 4.11 so gearing is different to your specs, but that's not important.
What is, your low ratio of Gq will have rb spinning way sooner than it was originally designed to.
add cams, mod timing, play with fuel maps.
You will be a happy chappy, so far as power goes.
maybe not so with the fuel bill !!.

I'll dig up dyno chart if ya like give you an idea on torque for around 300 kW atw, wont be relevant , but gives you something to chew on.

[MudSlut]

I'm so keen to see how it turns out, The way I see it is even if it's a failure I can always pull the motor and all the goodies I have for the RB26 and put them into a Silvia or Skyline and sell it, use that money for build a big turbo diesel like every other sheep (No offense to people who have big turbo diesels, just not my thing). Win Win situation.

[97_gq_lwb]

Their are a few options in the gq standard diffs as well.
Like 3.9 4.1 4.3 4.6

[Ben-e-boy]

I'm so keen to see how it turns out, The way I see it is even if it's a failure I can always pull the motor and all the goodies I have for the RB26 and put them into a Silvia or Skyline and sell it, use that money for build a big turbo diesel like every other sheep (No offense to people who have big turbo diesels, just not my thing). Win Win situation.

just remember that a big td will set you aside the best part of 20k+ if you start with an N/A 4.2

[nissannewby]

And then some if your really keen. The good thing about a high power TD42 is they are generally still pretty reliable and are making good power in the 3rd of the rev range an RB26 would. There is a bloke up here in QLD who was running around 36 psi through a TD making in the area of 300hp and did this for 2 years unopened.

[Dune]

if you want drive-ability you really need torque, for offroad climbing, you have to have low end torque. what is your budget for the build? to get power, you need more efficient turbo/s at high boost, which means bigger. to get torque you need larger engine displacement (stroking). you can get torque with power from small engines, there are 2 ways to do this, twin charge (supercharger & turbocharger), and compound turbo's (small turbo spooling a larger turbo, like heaths GU).

how much power and how much torque are you aiming for?

Rb's are full of torque. The square bore and stroke and iron block on the RB26 with solid lifters can handle and make better use of more boost than any 4.2.

Cause' the RB26 is <relatively> small, chargers on this motor can rob more power from the inertia of the spool when compared to larger capacity motors. Particularly when compared to taking power to spool a turbo or 2 from the exhaust gases, rahter than engine Kw's.

Same as the 'compound turbo's' you refer to or what is commonly known as sequential turbos, like the RX7's. Sequential turbo's are inefficient on the small application of the RB26, just as they are on the high flowing rotor's of the RX7's. This is why the first modification most people do is to replace the sequential turbos on the RX7's, because they are the main bottleneck for big power.

The RB26's can handle the boost, big boost. It can just be a dark art of getting as much boost in there as possible with minimal cost to power that is being made, that's why charger's and sequential turbo arrangements are not suited to the RBees. A good set of parallel N1's, or even better twin Disco Potatoes with a .46 housing will dominate any modified 4.2l that is running with any mods anywhere, anytime...

[nissannewby]

There is a big difference between sequential and compund turbo setups.

[nissannewby]

http://www.atsdiesel.com/ats2/templates/template_06.asp?p=2029422272&c=36

A sequential setup each turbo draws its own atmospheric air while in a compound the low pressure turbor draws its air through the high pressure turbo.

[97_gq_lwb]

Blah blah Just fit a vtg turbo and be done with it lol
Stop messing around with old technology.
Leave that for people like me with a td42.

[nissannewby]

Blah blah Just fit a vtg turbo and be done with it lol
Stop messing around with old technology.
Leave that for people like me with a td42.

Youd be surprised the new GTR R35's dont even use VNT/VTG turbos. Most of the GTR twin turbos have all be a ball bearing turbo setup.

[Robo]

some eye candy

[Robo]

So hows it coming along ?.

[MudSlut]

Nothing has happened in ages, done a carby rebuild and in the middle of replacing the clutch. All pulled apart at the moment, the wrong clutch was sent and the new one should be here today. Also in the middle of turning it back to 100% ULP and getting rid of the LPG, fuel pump is in and carby rebuild has been done, just needs a tune but I need the clutch in first so I can get it to a mechanic to tune it. Also tracking down a clutch aligning tool so I can drop the new one in. I am upgrading to an Exedy Sports tuff clutch.

[Ben-e-boy]

Nothing has happened in ages, done a carby rebuild and in the middle of replacing the clutch. All pulled apart at the moment, the wrong clutch was sent and the new one should be here today. Also in the middle of turning it back to 100% ULP and getting rid of the LPG, fuel pump is in and carby rebuild has been done, just needs a tune but I need the clutch in first so I can get it to a mechanic to tune it. Also tracking down a clutch aligning tool so I can drop the new one in. I am upgrading to an Exedy Sports tuff clutch.


Hey mate sports tuff cluctches are for sports cars. its the safari tuff clutch you need. they are designed with 4wd's in mind

Cheers
Benny

[nissannewby]

Sports tuff will be fine benny remembering he also has a RB30. I had a sports tuff in my GQ and couldnt fault it and i reckon it had slightly better feel than the safari that is now in it. It may be a different story if trying to push 400+hp though

[Ben-e-boy]

Sports tuff will be fine benny remembering he also has a RB30. I had a sports tuff in my GQ and couldnt fault it and i reckon it had slightly better feel than the safari that is now in it. It may be a different story if trying to push 400+hp though

ahh yes stand corrected

[MudSlut]

Who has a RB30? I have a TB42c, I reckon it will be fine. The low ratio diff gears take a lot of the load off the clutch.

[taslucas]

Itll be fine Matt!:)

[nissannewby]

X2 even with Your TB42 (thats what I said wasnt it) my bad lol

[taslucas]

So your giving up on it? After all that work and all those dreams lol. I hope it goes to a good home

[MudSlut]

Wouldn't say giving up, just can't take it with me. :(

[taslucas]

I wish i had a bit of spare coin to buy it but im in the process of finding a cheap run about to save driving my trol to work everyday. Ill put the word out to see if i can find a buyer as i would love to see it stay local:)

[Robo]

Did I miss something is the RB history, in favour of N/A TB42 ?.

[taslucas]

Did I miss something is the RB history, in favour of N/A TB42 ?.

The car is history in favour of moving:-)

Tap, crackle, pop

[Dune]

Damn... I thought this would happen... Pity I really wanted to see it built.... all the best with the new project.

[Robo]

Good Luck with the move.
New Job, or job transfer.

[MudSlut]

No the RB plans never got canned, just have to sell the patrol so I can move. Too much done to it to be able to take it with me :( has a new hole in the body cut for the snorkel and it won't pass inspection, plus all that lift and tyre size, low ratio gears would suck to return back to stock, wouldn't be the same if I returned it back to stock either. I think once I've settled after my relocation I'll get another one and build it to the surrounding environment, still keen as fark to do this RB26 install. Never know this time next year I could have a GQ Shorty RB26 just for offroading and trailer it, make a no holds bared off road weapon. No rules, nothing holding it back.

[taslucas]

sounds good Mat. Make sure you stay with this forum so we can all see Australias fastest SWB GQ potentially using rb26dett goodness:):):)

[MudSlut]

Yeah mate will do. I haven't drove it in ages let alone took it swimming. Had the clutch go so it's in getting a Exedy HD one put in, should have the carby tuned before it comes home also. The new 35's still haven't turned up either :( I'd be keen for one last dip with the new tyres on just to see how good it goes with good tread.

[taslucas]

You can always pop up home for a play. Its a good testing area.

[MudSlut]

Thanks Lucas... So, I went to pick up the patrol last night from having the new clutch installed and I made it no more than 5 mins up the road and huge clouds of smoke bellowing from the patrol. Pulled over to see what had gone wrong this time... Oil pissing out from around near the dizzy, so I call my mechanic and get him to come out and have a look at it. He thinks it's either the O Ring that seals the dizzy to the head, timing belt cover leak or head gasket. We called for a tow truck from RACT but they sent the Service van instead, they cleaned up the oil and filled the sump with oil again to see if they could get it to blow oil out and find the problem. No oil came out and THEY decided that driving it back to the workshop and see if and oil came out would be "better" than going and getting the tow truck. So I drove it back and made it about half way before what seems like the Heater exploded inside the cab sending coolant EVERYWHERE. So then they towed it back from where it died.

What I'm left thinking now is if the heater has exploded, shouldn't they have to fix it for free as it was their idea for me to drive it back. My mechanic suggested just bypassing it as I am looking at selling it. I don't want to because I've had a car without a heater and it's damn shite. it's a problem caused by driving the patrol back instead of towing it back like I had rang for in the first place.

What do you guys think I should do?

[Winnie]

I would certainly look into it further! Definitely need a car with a heater down in Tas hey!

[MudSlut]

Ok a couple of advances since last time. Patrol only had a blown head gasket, looks like the last person to have the head off didn't seat it 100% and something with the valves also. I have purchased another GQ for $1,500 with everything I need like a heater core and an unmodded chassis and suspension that I can use to get my GQ mod plated.
I have also maybe sold my falcon ute so I'll have some cash floating around... Thinking of buying a r33 skyline or just a half cut and doing a RB25det conversion.

So in the very near future I will be doing a body swap, Engine conversion, mod plate for said mods. So in the end I could be keeping my GQ and all will be well :)

[ajax1sm]

can't wait to see how this thing turns out :D

[taslucas]

That sucks about the head gasket but probably good in the end if your able to build a "legal" trol. Keep us up to date:)

[MudSlut]

The new rig:
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It's had a hard life but that's ok, none of this one will live on apart from the chassis and the heater core :) it will probably be put back together using the left overs from the body swap and sold :) it also came with some home made rock sliders 75% complete (just needs one side welded, another tb42 for parts, other assorted parts. Not bad for $1,500 :)

[taslucas]

Haha nice what an old beast

Tap, crackle, pop

[MudSlut]

Did just wire up a headphone jack to the front door speakers. Now I can have music when stuck in the bush and not run the battery flat :) its not too loud but it's better than the nothing that was there.

[Winnie]

How does that work?

[AB]

How does that work?

Direct plug into the phone I guess.

[Winnie]

How does it not run the battery flat though?

[AB]

How does it not run the battery flat though?

I think he means car battery mate. Phone just plugs direct into speakers using headphone jack.

[NissanGQ4.2]

I think he means car battery mate. Phone just plugs direct into speakers using headphone jack.

Is that even possible? Wouldn't you need some sort of amp. I'm sure if I got a headphone jack connected it 2 my phone and the other end I connected it to the speakers nothing would happen

[Winnie]

well you can get little speakers that play straight off the phones with no batteries but they are tiny never seen anything like it for a car.

[AB]

Itll still work just not very loud.

[MudSlut]

Should only run the phone flat as quick as listening through headphones normally, the car has no stereo so I just wired a headphone jack to the speaker wires for the front speakers. It's not loud but still heaps louder than my iPhone speaker :) haven't tested it on the road yet but I reckon you'll still be able to hear it. :D I also have a 2x100w amp that has a volume knob that I could wire in if I feel the need. I think I could be onto something, who needs the radio or CD's these days anyways? Probably just saved myself $150 and a heap of wiring hahaha.

[MudSlut]

I'll post up a vid tomorrow for all you haters (Nissan GQ4.2) HAHAHA

[MudSlut]

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Can stitch :D looks better than new now! Haha, will upload the video of the stezza tomorrow. Been too busy changing diff and gearbox oils, oh and stitching.

[MudSlut]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP4BUBoVEio&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Here is the video of my stezza install in the new patrol.

[MudSlut]

Done a little bit of tidying up of the new old girl today, plumbed in the snorkel, painted the snorkel, cleaned headlights, stitched the number plate to the grill. 22171

[Diesel-Mate]

Looking beast!

Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio Z715a using Tapatalk 2

[TJH]

snorkel looks beasttttt. mate :)

[MudSlut]

Okay, an update to the actual patrol this build is about. FINALLY got her back from having the clutch and head gasket replaced. Pulled out the heater core to see what's broken, wasn't too hard pulling out the dash and heater I reckon I had it out in under an hour. Found this split in the side of the tank 22308
Going to have a crack melting it shut or some sort or resin if that doesn't work. If not I'll get a new core, if anyone has a good one sitting around I'll buy it!
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I also picked up some new synthetic rope (12,000lb) and rope fairlead for my 9,500lb winch, just needs a new bigger clevis hook now to fit the end of the rope. I think my current hook has a 3/8 inch opening and I need a 1/2 inch. Sound right?

[MudSlut]

Ok so melting the plastic didn't work, I'll be looking for a new heater core now, I installed the new winch rope and got the clevis hook to fit. Moved the fairlead from the low to high position to allow the cable to roll off the spool easier. 22337
Because the rope was spooling off the top of the spool it was under more tension how it was before and was hard to pull off the spool how it was before. Here is a photo of how it used to feed out off the top of the spool and down out the fairlead.
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Comes out a lot easier now, would this cause any problems with winching that i do not know about?

[MudSlut]

Just a better picture explaining of how it was before and after. 22340
You can see that before it came off the top and had to pull down and out to come off the spool, now it just comes off the top. I think it will put a lot less stress on everything and be easier to get off the spool. Any ideas as to if it's a good thing or a bad idea please let me know.

[MudSlut]

Brand new heater core should be here tomorrow arvo, brand new 35x12.5 GoodYear Wrangler MTR Kevlar tyres are here and paid for, 15x10 Procomp black steel rims ordered.
Just waiting for the bill for having the head gasket replaced, clutch installed, new low ratio diff gears, bearings, mechanical front locker, swivel kits, and whatever else I have had installed. Can't remember everything that has been done now lol

[MudSlut]

So... Heater core didn't show up, maybe tomorrow :( But it did give me plenty of time to pull the patrol into even more bits :/ completely stripped inside, only things left are front seats. Carpets have been cleaned, rear seats cleaned, re wired all the speakers and sub, moved wires from running along the doors to the middle of the car as I plan on not running carpets for a while and wires were just going everywhere. Deleted some Un needed wires for the stereo from the previous owner, when it came time to do the front door speaker wires it was really hard passing the speaker cable through that grommet that holds all the other wires from the door to the body. Is there an easy way to do this?

[MudSlut]

Ok, so the heater core turned up... But it's nothing like my old one ;( I ordered of through Repco over the phone based on size measurements alone. The size is close but the end tanks are on the wrong sides to ever fit, and the connections are wrong. Is there a difference between maverick and patrol heater cores? 22397

[taslucas]

I have no idea about any patrol/maverick differences but Ive had bad luck buying from repco let alone buying from them over the phone:-(.
A good thing about internet buying is you can usually see a picture of the item.

Tap, crackle, pop

[MudSlut]

Range them today and hopefully have it sorted out, should be able to exchange it for the correct one tomorrow :) should have it back together just in time for a weekend splash :)

[MudSlut]

Well the replacement heater core never arrived, so I made something to do. :) started cleaning the floor of the patrol, lucky I did because I found a little bit of rust and the reason as to why the rear doors light switches never worked lol.
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[taslucas]

looking good, what did you use to clean the floor?

[MudSlut]

Sponge and water :) wet and dry vac to help dry it up. Had to go over it a couple of times to get it clean, I used some car wash in the first was and just water after that, oh I also had the hose trickling in there to wash the soap away.

[taslucas]

Nice, are you going to coat it with anything like sound deadener? Or just fix up the rust

Tap, crackle, pop

[MudSlut]

Not sure, I'll probably just fix the rust some how. So much to do, so little time to do it. It will probably just end up being fixed and painted black again.

[MudSlut]

Ok so yesterday I got around to pulling the LPG system off the patrol, was pretty easy but I couldn't tell you where all the wires hooked up :/ . I have so much clearance out the back now, I was always catching the tank on the entrance to big holes. Anyone know of there are rules/laws for how I have to set up my filler necks? I was planning on having one filler cap and the hose splitting into two just after the cap so you can put the filler nozzle into each tanks hose. I was going to do away with the crap in the filler nozzle that only lets you use an ULP bowser and just have an open hole with two pipes in it. 22586
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/11/91.jpghttp://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/11/92.jpg2258722588

[MudSlut]

Well the patrol is back together and the new mud shovels have been fitted. I think I'm in love with the new stance that the Procomp 51 series 15"x10"-76mm rims give the patrol. 22828
In this first pic I only have the 10's on the rear and 8's on the front, I ordered 3 more 10's today so I can have one as a spare also.

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But I am in serious need for wider mud flaps :/ better get onto that tomorrow or sat.

[taslucas]

Sh!t yeah, that looks tough. Cant believe youre gonna sell her!

[MudSlut]

Operation: Big Juicy Flaps... AWAY!!!

Went out and picked up 2000x1200x4mm reinforced rubber matting for around $90 and 2 lengths of box section 30x30x450mm for $10. Measured out and cut to make some new flares for the wider tyres in an attempt to keep transport off my back with these wide tyres.
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These weren't really suitable anymore.

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This is how I used the new box section, I just hope transport don't mind. :( if not I'll cut it down a bit and help support the rubber with wire or something.

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Next I measured out what I would need to make the flare and the mud flap out of the one bit.
NEK Minnit....
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And then the rain set in so I still haven't finished one but they are all cut out and ready to go. They won't be the best looking, but will be functional and affordable.

[MudSlut]

So the rear is all flapped up now, not real happy with the way it looks but oh well. I ended up cutting the box section off level with the body, it looked dodgy as! Would have probably disemboweled somebody if I happened to clip them in some freak accident.

I'll prob do the fronts through the week as I'm still waiting for the new 15x10-78 rims to show up.

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I just have to find someone to finish welding up my rock sliders so I can fit them up also.
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[MudSlut]

I finally got around to driving her off road with all the new gear on. Did I hear some ask how it went?? Unstoppable!! Went everywhere I wanted to and only had 1 spot of trouble... When I hit a hole in RWD, selected 4wd Lo and off we went :)
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[taslucas]

Sweet as, where did you go?

Tough looking sliders too!

Tap, crackle, pop

[MudSlut]

Went out Mawbanna and hit up the power line track, then took a track from there to the crayfish creek caravan park and did the loop tracks on the way. I will upload some videos tomorrow if I get time.

[MudSlut]

I took this photo today of my two patrols, I wish the other one was standard so we could see the difference. 22988
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[MudSlut]

So I finally got around to getting some longer chain do the mud flaps could hang properly. I'm happy with how they turned out in the long run.
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Sure has the wide look now. :)
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Interesting thing happened when I took her out bush last, the -78 offset 10" wide rims made me sit up on top of the ruts for the most of it, well at least 50% of the tyre was up on the top of the ruts and the other time the sidewalls were biting into the ruts allowing heaps of grip. While we are talking tyres, one of my new kevlars kept on slowly going flat. Then one night after a short trek off road I was doing around 50 around a corner and it finally let go, instantly went flat... This is what caused it :/
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The sidewall didn't have enough rubber payed down before the Kevlar and what ever else goes into a side wall went in. This was the inside side of the tyre so it went unnoticed. You could push it in very easy around the spot about the size of a tennis ball. It was replaced next day for free :)

[taslucas]

Well they sure are fat flaps!
I saw you in wynyard on the weekend:-)

Is that a mickey Thomson Kevlar tyre?

Tap, crackle, pop

[MudSlut]

Oh really? Outside that take away shop? Man I had some crap flake from there :( Goodyear wrangler Kevlar tyres.

[taslucas]

Nah passed you near the top round about..... you wouldnt recognise me because i wasnt in the trol. Yeah let me guess, you got flake from Noahs takeaway? I only buy fish from Buckaneers in wynyard

[MudSlut]

Yeah it must have Noah's. So crap!!

[Clunk]

I know this is a little out there and probably a bit pricey but I reckon a set of flares from a jeep wrangler would look the biz......... I've seen some pics of our Icelandic friends trols with them on.


Ok ok I'll go wash my mouth out now!!!@ lol

Don't stroke it, TAP it!!!!.....

[taslucas]

I know this is a little out there and probably a bit pricey but I reckon a set of flares from a jeep wrangler would look the biz......... I've seen some pics of our Icelandic friends trols with them on.


Ok ok I'll go wash my mouth out now!!!@ lol

Don't stroke it, TAP it!!!!.....

We want Links and pics....... Not just dirty talk!

Tap, crackle, pop

[Clunk]

I'll see what I can do but its hard on the tappa


Edit: Ok these probably aren't from a jeep but something similar

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?4725-1994-Nissan-Patrol-38-quot
Don't stroke it, TAP it!!!!.....

[growler2058]

There is a pic somewhere in the deep dark depths of the forum if a white shorty with the "jeep" type flares or slr 5000 and it does look very Soopa cool


Sent from my tapped out thumbs

[taslucas]

I'll see what I can do but its hard on the tappa


Edit: Ok these probably aren't from a jeep but something similar

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?4725-1994-Nissan-Patrol-38-quot
Don't stroke it, TAP it!!!!.....

Ahhhh yes i remeber that now. Very cool indeed

[Winnie]

My cousin has a Safari and it has extended wheel flares, look like jeep flares but they're genuine Nissan. I'll try find a piccy

DIAL-A-TAP

[Winnie]

Not as wide as I remembered but I reckon they do the job for ya. Good luck finding some!

DIAL-A-TAP

[MudSlut]

Thanks for the links guys, I have seen factory looking wide flares on the net before. I don't know where I would get them from or how much they would be.

I finally got my 15x10 pro comp 52 series rims fitted to front of the patrol. Has a hell wicked stance now :)
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[Clunk]

Your gonna need a wider drive way hahaha

Looks good mate

[MudSlut]

Lol yeah well of only just fits out the end of the driveway. Makes it a bit tricky at night with dark as fark tint.

[Ben-e-boy]

if you going to run those rims alot my advice is pre-load the fork out of your wheelbearings and swivel hub bearings or the wobbles will be a constant companion.

[MudSlut]

Thanks, I had noticed a slight wobble under braking and turning, I thought I must have had a slightly warped rotor. Have you seen an article on how to do what you just said?

[Ben-e-boy]

Thanks, I had noticed a slight wobble under braking and turning, I thought I must have had a slightly warped rotor. Have you seen an article on how to do what you just said?

take the shim plates out of the swivel hub bearings, thats about all you can do with them their life expectance is reduced and tighten your wheel bearings. I tighten them until I get 1 revolution with the bigger tyres spinning it off the ground and thats with putting some effort into spinning it.

[MudSlut]

Ok thanks, it sounds like a job for my mechanic.

[MudSlut]

Nothing to worry about anymore guys... The build is over, the patrols are gone, a forged 180sx is in its place. tad sad but I think it's for the best. Too much going on in my life at the moment for modifying a 4wd. Will prob pick it up again in a year or so.

[taslucas]

Oh really!?.
I thought you'd decided to keep it after the last run of mods.
Did you sell it locally? I think I may have seen it up Mt hicks way.

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[MudSlut]

Yeah I sold it to a guy in wynyard. I would have loved to keep it, but it had to go. 23340
This is what I have now, 2L of forged goodness. Very tail happy :)

[taslucas]

Oh well, nice knowing you......

Lmao just kidding

Tap, crackle, pop

[taslucas]

Do you like blue? Lol
Very nice neat looking drifter:-)

Tap, crackle, pop

[MudSlut]

Lol, yeah well it I a nice blue. I would have taken it in anything but pink I reckon.

[MudSlut]

And the 180 is sold also.

[Winnie]

That was quick mate, what's coming next?

[MudSlut]

M35 Nissan Stagea with a r35 GTR facelift.
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[Winnie]

That's cool as faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaark!!!! How many turbos? 3? 4? lmao

[krbrooking]

That is a nice looking wagon mate, what sort of racetrack do you take that to so you can practice your driffting. Lol. That would hammer.

[MudSlut]

Wow, not sure if you guys are taking the piss or what. But it's a 2.5 v6 single turbo with the same 4wd system as the gtr. Does a quarter mile in 13.5 seconds, has just about every feature you could ask for. Compared to a brand new $53,000 commodore ss sports wagon it ticks every box apart from a little more boot space and flogs it in every other department. Even has more low down torque than the 5.7L v8. And they range from $12k - $22k depending on Kms and age. So even if I got the most expensive one, I could still have two before I could afford 1 ss wagon and it would still be crap.

[taslucas]

Dont reckon they are taking the piss mate, that car looks sweet as!

And it's still a 4wd Nissan:-)

Another Tassie spotted speed camera sticker?? Lol

Tap, crackle, pop

[Winnie]

No mate I'm not taking the piss, it looks seriously cool

DIAL-A-TAP

[MudSlut]

Tassie spotted speed cameras for the win! :)

[MudSlut]

My new ride: 2000 Nissan Stagea series 2 RS4 full leather and fully optioned RB25det NEO with tiptronic.
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I had to get this shape because I found out that the shape I wanted had alloy rear cradle and they crack under too much load and these have steel cradle and can tow the ass out of a house :)

[scottyo]

sweet stagea mate

[albone90]

nice rig mate

[vwace]

wow very nice looking car mate.