front tow point

[dads tractor]

Guys has anyone made a front tow point with a reciever the same as the rear towbar.pics would be great the reason being I dont have a lot of faith in the standard hook setup and my son is rough on the gear.

[DX grunt]

Guys has anyone made a front tow point with a reciever the same as the rear towbar.pics would be great the reason being I dont have a lot of faith in the standard hook setup and my son is rough on the gear.


Here’s what I’ve got for front and rear recovery points.

Personally, I wouldn’t be hitching up to anybody or wouldn’t let them be hitching up to me with that configuration.

I’ve heard they were originally designed as tie down points. I don’t know how true it is, but I’ve seen some bent ones.

Here’s what I bought from a shop. They are fitted to the front left and right hand side of my vehicle.

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af279/DXgrunt/BoatHarbourTripprep002.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af279/DXgrunt/BoatHarbourTripprep001.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af279/DXgrunt/BoatHarbourTripprep005.jpg

Safety should be the first priority.

Having said all that, I don’t have the knowledge to make my own.

Take care out there.

Rossco

[rkinsey]

Guys has anyone made a front tow point with a reciever the same as the rear towbar.pics would be great the reason being I dont have a lot of faith in the standard hook setup and my son is rough on the gear.

Gday,

$20.00 from Supercheap Auto http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online-store/products/RIDGE-RYDER-4-500KG-TOW-HOOK-KIT.aspx?pid=105542#Description

Cheers,

Rob

[dads tractor]

thanks rosco do you have faith in the cross beares in the front not to pull the chassis rails in as ive seen this happen twice now 1xtoyota pulled by unimog 1xf100 4x4 pulled by d6 both in quick sand in the finke river .

[DX grunt]

thanks rosco do you have faith in the cross beares in the front not to pull the chassis rails in as ive seen this happen twice now 1xtoyota pulled by unimog 1xf100 4x4 pulled by d6 both in quick sand in the finke river .

To be honest, my GU has never had the privledge of being towed by my front recovery points......yet.... Dogman is itching to do it.

I'm not a 4wd expert or instructor, but from what I've seen and heard, I'll be giving my recoverer clear and concise instructions to 'snatch me out GENTLY - not take off flat out and trying to rip the guts out of my undercarriage.

There's an excellent vid on here, somewhere, about snatching gently.

If my only help was from a person I know to be 'rough', I'd be doing everything in my power to work out my options and use them as a last resort.

If your son is rough with the gear, I hope he pays for the replacements?

I'd suggest he does an accredited 4wd techniques and recovery course. That way he'll learn a bit more about his and his vehicles' capabilities and learn about 'vehicle sympathy.' He might learn a thing or two about passenger comfort, in the process. I just shake my head every time I see a Yota add on TV. Far out!!!

Quite often kids won't listen to their parents, so if you know a mutual, trusted friend, who is up to date with techniques and recoveries, they may be able to give your son a few pointers.

Your youngin won't be ripping my engine from its block!!! lol

Take care and all the best.

Rossco

Edit: I've hit a cattle grid on a dirt road at 110kmh and saw stars after my head hit the roof. Haven't done it since. lol

[dads tractor]

If your son is rough with the gear, I hope he pays for the replacements?

Dad chopped down that money tree on the 1st day he was a appentice but he loves his piging and playing in the mud . It costs him a fortune to run and maintain which is good no money or interest in drugs. He mainly comes unstuck in mud (hung up on diffs 32 bfg muds)but is pretty good in sand hills and rough terrain hes been drivng four wheels since he was 5.

[DX grunt]

If your son is rough with the gear, I hope he pays for the replacements?

Dad chopped down that money tree on the 1st day he was a appentice but he loves his piging and playing in the mud . It costs him a fortune to run and maintain which is good no money or interest in drugs. He mainly comes unstuck in mud (hung up on diffs 32 bfg muds)but is pretty good in sand hills and rough terrain hes been drivng four wheels since he was 5.

I love it when young blokes have purpose and vision. It's really encouraging.

You could start by buying him a hand winch (turfor) and when he's a good boy and learns to respect his beast, buy him a leckie winch - after his rated recovery points. lol hahahaha

Rossco

Edit: Or, buy him some heat resistant inner tubes so he can put them under his truck, inflate them and 'float it ' out.

[dads tractor]

lol he's already got my hilift and chains maybe i should loosen that great lsd in the back so he cant get so far in the carkcar

[twisty]

This is what I did

11172 11173

Putting a HR reciever in the front sounds a lot more difficult

[Silver]

consider using a bridle to spread the load to both chassis rails, would be my tip.

And buy a low rated snatch strap - better to bust a strap than have a strong strap fire a chunk of metal at the other vehicle :-)

[the evil twin]

Couple of good points in the thread so far.

Firstly to answer the OP... I don't have any pics but know of several people who have installed Hayman Reece recievers into Bullbars. In every case it was done for the ease of manouverability of reversing trailers and vans into tight spots/difficult driveways.
Personally I would NOT recommend them as a Snatch Strap (I stress Snatch Strap) recovery solution as at least one of the recent fatalities in the last two years was a lass killed by part of the Bull Bar failing. The method would be perfectly fine however for winch/tow/driver assist type recovery tho.

Snatch Strap ratings - The Snatch Strap (which are rated in Breaking Strain by the by) rating should be 2 to no more than 3 times the weight of the lightest vehicle in the recovery regardless of whether the lighter vehicle is the bogged or recovery truck.

Bent Front Chassis Rails - Usually occur for 1 of 2 reasons.
First reason is in a 'single point of attachement recovery' is an inordinate sideways pull IE not Fore and Aft.
Second reason is in a 'bridle attachement recovery' and is due to people not understanding a force multiplier phenomenon called 'Sling Load Angle'. If the bridle is too short and the 'Load Angle too high' it will actually multiply the force of the Snatch Strap or Winch by potentially as much as 6 times and change the force vector onto the Bridle IE attempt to pull the rails together rather than the vehicle forward out of the bog.

Hope that makes sense... I'll hand the soapbox over to someone else now :trink13:

[Silver]

Couple of good points in the thread so far.

Firstly to answer the OP... I don't have any pics but know of several people who have installed Hayman Reece recievers into Bullbars. In every case it was done for the ease of manouverability of reversing trailers and vans into tight spots/difficult driveways.
Personally I would NOT recommend them as a Snatch Strap (I stress Snatch Strap) recovery solution as at least one of the recent fatalities in the last two years was a lass killed by part of the Bull Bar failing. The method would be perfectly fine however for winch/tow/driver assist type recovery tho.

Snatch Strap ratings - The Snatch Strap (which are rated in Breaking Strain by the by) rating should be 2 to no more than 3 times the weight of the lightest vehicle in the recovery regardless of whether the lighter vehicle is the bogged or recovery truck.

Bent Front Chassis Rails - Usually occur for 1 of 2 reasons.
First reason is in a 'single point of attachement recovery' is an inordinate sideways pull IE not Fore and Aft.
Second reason is in a 'bridle attachement recovery' and is due to people not understanding a force multiplier phenomenon called 'Sling Load Angle'. If the bridle is too short and the 'Load Angle too high' it will actually multiply the force of the Snatch Strap or Winch by potentially as much as 6 times and change the force vector onto the Bridle IE attempt to pull the rails together rather than the vehicle forward out of the bog.

Hope that makes sense... I'll hand the soapbox over to someone else now :trink13:

Finally those force vectors they taught me in physics at school have become useful!!!!! What a shame that in the intervening 30+ years the brain cells that stored that info seem to have ceased to function :-).

So the longer the bridle, the better for preventing the chassis ends/dumb irons meeting each other?

[Steveo_the_Devo]

All terrain 4x4 do vehicle specific recovery points. I think a pair for a GU is about $100. Straight bolt on attachments. Haven't used them myself but have been recommended by a guy who works at TJM - though he doesn't sell them himself.

[the evil twin]

snip...
So the longer the bridle, the better for preventing the chassis ends/dumb irons meeting each other?

Hiya Silver,

Yeah mate, absolutely... those brain cells in my melon seem to be still Ok... apparently it's the "where the hell did I put the stupid car keys" cells that are stuffed in my great meathead

[lenkeit1234]

These look good where is the best place to get them

[Silver]

lenkeit, there are differences between the GQ after market recovery points, and the GU, and if memory serves, between some of the GUs - can't tell which Patrol you have from what I see here.