Td42t confusion

[Badger]

Hi all a couple of quick questions regarding the td42t engine. I have had 3 gu patrols with td42t engines in them and i am a little confused at something i just learned. I recently advertised that i wanted to buy a td42t and i received a reply along with some pictures of a td42t that is said to be out of a factory turbo Gu patrol wagon. As soon as i looked at the pics i noticed 2 things that didnt seem quite right. The first being that the oil dipstick was on the passenger or left side of the engine approx in line with the number 3 cylinder (so towards the front of the engine) and secondly the power steering pump is also on the left side of this engine. What confuses me is that on all my gu patrols the dipstick is on the drivers or right side and towards the rear of the engine and the power steering pump is also on the right side and that is the case with every gu with a td42t that i have ever looked at the engine bay of. So i rang my local nissan dralership and the guy i spoke to said every picture he had on the computer in front of him of the td42t in a gu showed the dipstick in the position i mentioned before on the passenger side of the engine but he couldnt tell me about the pump because it isnt shown on the pics he had there. So what i am asking forum members is does anyone have a td42t in a gu that is configured the way i mentioned as being strange to me ie with these items on passenger side of engine. Please let me know because i dont know whether to buy the engine that has been offered to me based on this, i am thinking it could be a variant intended for overseas markets in a different type of vehicle, and my research shows there is a variant that was available in the Malaysian market in something called an Atlas and it is a very underpowered variant of the td42t and i dont want to make the mistake of getting lumbered with one of those. Any info on the subject would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks and look forward to your replies.

[mudski]

Steer clear of that one. I've never seen an australian model like that. Probably an import engine. Though I've never seen an import engine so its just a guess. But steer clear of that particular one I would...

[PeeBee]

Sounds like its a grey import or a container full of TD42 motors from a wrecking operation overseas perhaps, LH drive or different config to the patrol. Good pick up though as could lead to a lot of wasted cash and time.

[MB]

My research some years ago found Malaysia as you’ve uncovered too Badger Mate are still running a Nissan 4.2 variant in two of their UD truck 8.0T & 5.0T models.
As far as I got was that a work colleague near there had concerns that their bellhousing/bolt configurations might be different too, he wasn’t 100% sure but was brought up in his discussions to consider the potential issue.
Had planned to fly in one day with a cardboard Aussie template but never eventuated unfortunately.


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[Cuppa]

TD42 was used in a wide variety of vehicles including Atlas & Cabstar trucks & Civilian buses. No idea if any had the configuration you have seen advertised though. I do know some had different sump shapes & capacities though.

[Badger]

Hi all thanks for replying, i knew something wasnt right when he answered my add with this engine stating it was a complete engine with all accessories including turbo and fuel pump out of a factory turbo gu wagon that had only done 120,000 "genuine" kilometres all for the ridiculously generous price of $700. That started me thinking firstly why would u remove this engine unless vehicle was badly damaged from an accident and that no one is that freaking stupid as to own a gu patrol and not know the value of a td42t engine with 120,000 "genuine" kms on it so i was rather surprised when he sent 2 pics of it and i picked up the differences immediately. Anyway enough said about this clown sorry character, (oops that slipped out). Why not just be upfront and say what it is really out of or where it really came from because to be honest i am still very much interested in buying it for $700 just to find out what the differences actually are, and i think there would be more than enough useable bits to cover the $700 spent. Another thing that bothers me though is why do all the pics my local nissan dealer have of td42t engines show the oil dipstick on the passenger side of engine towards the front. I am sure these things are done by the manufacturers just to confuse us and complicate matters that would otherwise be quite easily figured out. 😀
If i knew how to upload pics from my android smart phone to this forum i would happily show u all these pics of said engine. Thanks again for the replies and advice.

[AB]

Hi all thanks for replying, i knew something wasnt right when he answered my add with this engine stating it was a complete engine with all accessories including turbo and fuel pump out of a factory turbo gu wagon that had only done 120,000 "genuine" kilometres all for the ridiculously generous price of $700. That started me thinking firstly why would u remove this engine unless vehicle was badly damaged from an accident and that no one is that freaking stupid as to own a gu patrol and not know the value of a td42t engine with 120,000 "genuine" kms on it so i was rather surprised when he sent 2 pics of it and i picked up the differences immediately. Anyway enough said about this clown sorry character, (oops that slipped out). Why not just be upfront and say what it is really out of or where it really came from because to be honest i am still very much interested in buying it for $700 just to find out what the differences actually are, and i think there would be more than enough useable bits to cover the $700 spent. Another thing that bothers me though is why do all the pics my local nissan dealer have of td42t engines show the oil dipstick on the passenger side of engine towards the front. I am sure these things are done by the manufacturers just to confuse us and complicate matters that would otherwise be quite easily figured out. 
If i knew how to upload pics from my android smart phone to this forum i would happily show u all these pics of said engine. Thanks again for the replies and advice.

Hey Badger, I just sent you a private message here with my phone number if you want to sms it to me I can put it here for everyone, I'm keen to see it too.

[mudski]

I think the Ni$$an stealer is looking at the pic backwards. I have the Same Nissan Parts program on my pc and it shows the dipstick on the RHS. As also does on the Partsouq website. Which is pretty much a copy of the Nissanfast program Nissan use.
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[AB]

Here’s the photos blokes.

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2020/09/68.jpg
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2020/09/69.jpg


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[MudRunnerTD]

Here’s the photos blokes.

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2020/09/68.jpg
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2020/09/69.jpg


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Well Bloody Hell!! I was going to chime in and say they took the photos in Selfie Mode and the phots are mirror images for sure... But that is 100% wrong... Very strange

Oil dip stick and Power Steering fluid on the Hot side.... Nice!

[MudRunnerTD]

the Power Steering bracket is still on the right side hanging off the block not in use. I would say that other PS has been retro fitted there. There is No Alternator, No AC and the PCV is plumbed straight back in at the head of the intake! Brutal!. I think that engine has been used in a static mount position maybe? a Plant Power supply. the Bottom Radiator Hose is clearly going to the wrong place??

Also that Heat shield clearly shows that it is not to suit a Turbo model.

[MudRunnerTD]

anyone want to hazzard a guess at what that little tube is that is coming out the front of the thermostat housing and then the little hose that goes back to the lower radiator hose? Some kind of Bleed off? MB you are the cooling guy, what do you think about that mate? Could be a Tropics Fit or something?

[MB]

No idea sorry mate, Northern Hemisphere Coriolis Effecter maybe?



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[MB]

Very hard to see on my little iphony screen but what language/scripture is written on that barrel on the top left of the image ?
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2020/09/70.jpg


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[0-TJ-0]

I mean, if it's not seized solid.. I'd probably consider $700 to have a look at it too. You'd have to be prepared to lose most of it, because it's probably rubbish at that price.. But maybe not.

I'd definitely at least have a look at it.

Might be able to sell the head or injection pump at least for something if it is dead.

[0-TJ-0]

Or actually, maybe have a look at the engine number. Can you do a ppsr on an engine?

Maybe stolen?

[0-TJ-0]

Very hard to see on my little iphony screen but what language/scripture is written on that barrel on the top left of the image ?
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2020/09/70.jpg


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I think it say's "send us your money and we'll send you the engine"

[Badger]

Its all very interesting isnt it. Now for the kicker, its in Melbourne are there any volunteers to go meet this character and check it out for me...?😁

[MB]

Essentially NO Sir three bags full :-)


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[MB]

Far too dangerous in town these days mate, quiet achieving top black sheep mates do matter yet rainbow coloured ones are feeling loudly unloved and covered in shitty dorper dags :-)

https://youtu.be/P6n0Y2RyeWE




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[Bigcol]

the inlet pipe shows it is from a truck chassis, so the inlet is no good for anyone

also depends on the injector pump


curiouser and curiouser

[Badger]

Hi all i didnt get any further in finding out the true origins of this engine, as in what it was originally out of or which country it was from, the little i was able to research on it indicates that it is from Malaysia out of a truck known as an Atlas and that a patrol bell housing either manual or auto will not bolt up to these particular engines, which means the block must be cast differently ( please let me know if u disagree or have other information on the subject ). Despite repeatedly asking the seller to call me on my mobile number which i repeatedly sent him he would only reply via gumtree message asking that i send him half the money then he would send me the engine and when i received it to forward on balance of the sale price. When it became obvious he was dodgy and that he wasnt going to speak with me so i could ask some questions about the engine i sent him a message saying that it clearly wasnt out of a gu patrol wagon as he claimed but more than likely out of a truck from another country and that i was still interested in buying it if he would call and answer some questions for me he then stopped communicating completely. I will leave it up to u to make your own minds up about that! The alarming part is that he is the owner of quite a large and renowned automotive workshop in Melbourne. I hope none of u guys are unlucky enough to go there for work to be carried out out your pride and joy.

[Plasnart]

Hi all i didnt get any further in finding out the true origins of this engine, as in what it was originally out of or which country it was from, the little i was able to research on it indicates that it is from Malaysia out of a truck known as an Atlas and that a patrol bell housing either manual or auto will not bolt up to these particular engines, which means the block must be cast differently ( please let me know if u disagree or have other information on the subject ). Despite repeatedly asking the seller to call me on my mobile number which i repeatedly sent him he would only reply via gumtree message asking that i send him half the money then he would send me the engine and when i received it to forward on balance of the sale price. When it became obvious he was dodgy and that he wasnt going to speak with me so i could ask some questions about the engine i sent him a message saying that it clearly wasnt out of a gu patrol wagon as he claimed but more than likely out of a truck from another country and that i was still interested in buying it if he would call and answer some questions for me he then stopped communicating completely. I will leave it up to u to make your own minds up about that! The alarming part is that he is the owner of quite a large and renowned automotive workshop in Melbourne. I hope none of u guys are unlucky enough to go there for work to be carried out out your pride and joy.

Here's that engine found on Alibaba. Says it's from a Nissan Civilian.
Not in Australia.
Not $700.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Free-shipping-USED-GENUINE-DIESEL-ENGINE_62372385654.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normalLi st.1.6bca4c22cKpc3y

You dodged a bullet on this one!

So who's the dodgy bro trying to scam you?

[0-TJ-0]

Hi all i didnt get any further in finding out the true origins of this engine, as in what it was originally out of or which country it was from, the little i was able to research on it indicates that it is from Malaysia out of a truck known as an Atlas and that a patrol bell housing either manual or auto will not bolt up to these particular engines, which means the block must be cast differently ( please let me know if u disagree or have other information on the subject ). Despite repeatedly asking the seller to call me on my mobile number which i repeatedly sent him he would only reply via gumtree message asking that i send him half the money then he would send me the engine and when i received it to forward on balance of the sale price. When it became obvious he was dodgy and that he wasnt going to speak with me so i could ask some questions about the engine i sent him a message saying that it clearly wasnt out of a gu patrol wagon as he claimed but more than likely out of a truck from another country and that i was still interested in buying it if he would call and answer some questions for me he then stopped communicating completely. I will leave it up to u to make your own minds up about that! The alarming part is that he is the owner of quite a large and renowned automotive workshop in Melbourne. I hope none of u guys are unlucky enough to go there for work to be carried out out your pride and joy.

It's likely he has nothing to do with any company based in Melbourne or even Australia for that matter.

Mate as soon as Daz spotted the foreign writing in the background it was always going to be a "send us your money" scam. Totally different ballgame if you can go and look at it and take it home with you.

Anyway, my point is that a reputable company wouldn't risk their reputation to scam you out of $350 so blatantly. Not to mention the civil/criminal repercussions. I would probably keep that company name to yourself unless you know for a fact they're involved and not just named by the person who made the ad.

[MB]

TJ for VP [emoji106][emoji106]


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[Plasnart]

It's likely he has nothing to do with any company based in Melbourne or even Australia for that matter.

Mate as soon as Daz spotted the foreign writing in the background it was always going to be a "send us your money" scam. Totally different ballgame if you can go and look at it and take it home with you.

Anyway, my point is that a reputable company wouldn't risk their reputation to scam you out of $350 so blatantly. Not to mention the civil/criminal repercussions. I would probably keep that company name to yourself unless you know for a fact they're involved and not just named by the person who made the ad.

Yep fair call that.

[Badger]

You are 100% right TJ, myself or anyone else can't go putting the names of people or business names up for all to see accusing them of whatever the case may be without being absolutely certain of the facts concerning the issue at hand. I had/have no intention of naming names on this forum or anywhere else publicly. This guy is a serial pest though, as i said in a previous post he stopped communicating when i said to him about it not being out of a patrol and was more than likely from another country. Well in the past couple of days he has been sending me quite a few messages through gumtree and has made more than a few phone calls to me (to the point i have blocked the numbers he has been calling from) trying to get me to send the $350 to him. He will give up if i keep ignoring him
Thanks to everyone for your replies and/or help and suggestions.

[Cuppa]

Well found Plassy.