Fog Light recommendation

[PeeBee]

I have more than enough light for clear or wet nights driving, however am looking for a recommendation for Fog lights specifically. I have a GQ with ARB deluxe winch bar. I don't know if its better to seek a yellow light or look at a very low level throw of white light. My BMW has factory fog lights and they are a 'projector style' and mounted down in the spolier/skirt - they are great lights however too low for the application. Its low speed stuff as well, so less than say 40km/hr at a guess, fogging mountain driving - if we ever get released from isolation!

[MB TD42]

I would stick to a warm light...anything over 2800-3000k is practically a white out in fog and dust for us humans.
I hear the authorities stipulate Yellow or White for front and Red for the rear.
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[PeeBee]

Lights, do you have anything that fits the bill by any chance?

[MB TD42]

Haven't actually been in the market or looked around for any since I had my Hilux over 10 years ago...I had them on my roof rack but they were just cheap incandescent set up in a row of 4 yellow and 4 white...only good for 5 to 10 meters though.
I was relatively uneducated on off-road and even on road lighting at the time but the worked a treat. If anything they made me visable to others...I wouldn't say I am any more learned on the subject these days as I use a Baja knock off sold by Sunyee.com.
They are great but no good in the dust...too bright though they have a light which is connected to the low beam with a relay which lights up only a small row either side of the spotty.
Works for close contact stuff.

Also I would be noting the IP rating...if you are operating in fog they will warm up...if they are not sealed properly they will suck in moisture when they are turned off while cooling down.

There are plenty of Cree yellow 6 LED 12V lights out there obtainable on a budget.


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[the evil twin]

snip... My BMW has factory fog lights and they are a 'projector style' and mounted down in the spolier/skirt - they are great lights however too low for the application. Its low speed stuff as well, so less than say 40km/hr at a guess, fogging mountain driving - if we ever get released from isolation!

If the application is 'low speed driving in fog' then you want the lights as low as possible.

The issue with fog is the reflected light from the droplets 'whiting out' the drivers vision
Fog doesn't usually go all the way to the ground, there is almost always a small layer of much clearer air about 12 to 18 inches or so above the ground.
The lower the light position the more penetration and less reflection in this boundary layer.
The most efficient penetration is white but that is also the worst colour for the human eye when reflected back which is why old school foggies were filtered well into yellow.
The illumination from a yellow source was not as efficient but much less annoying so gave the illusion of being better to the naked eye than white.

Sooo... ideally foggies should be as low as practical, beam as wide and flat as possible and colour should be warm and not ultra white so, as MB TD42 says mid 2's low 3's kelvin.
Makes them more vulnerable off road tho and most big 4Xs the "lowest practical mounting" is often more than 18 inches off the deck.

Fog isn't a big issue over here in WA but in NSW I used to use el cheapo 3 inch generic lights, low as possible and tape the lens with clear tape.
When I broke one I would just chuck it

[MB TD42]

Found a pick of the Foggies I used to have...I think they were Narva.

[PeeBee]

Thanks guys, I have already picked up a set of the cheap 6 yellow led lights but they are pathetic - was of time even mounting them. I will take on board what has been said, was looking for a specific recommendation that someone has fitted perhaps. I think I could mount something on the lower wings of the ARB bar, probably 250-400mm off the ground and would be reasonably protected I guess. Seems the projector style are whats fitted from factory and even ARB, so maybe that's the answer.

[MB TD42]

Thanks guys, I have already picked up a set of the cheap 6 yellow led lights but they are pathetic - was of time even mounting them. I will take on board what has been said, was looking for a specific recommendation that someone has fitted perhaps. I think I could mount something on the lower wings of the ARB bar, probably 250-400mm off the ground and would be reasonably protected I guess. Seems the projector style are whats fitted from factory and even ARB, so maybe that's the answer.There are yellow light bars available in different sizes on the net...Google yellow light bars

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[PeeBee]

Decided on these. They are halogen and the wavelength should be better than the LEDS. Will see.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NARVA-71860-COMPAC-FOG-LIGHT-LIGHTS-LAMP-KIT-BEAM-4X4-NEW-55W-55-WATT-100-12V/221300450206?epid=244642469&hash=item338688e39e:g:CTUAAOSwhwdVUERI:sc:AU_PrePa idExpressPostSatchel3kg!3180!AU!-1

[MB TD42]

Decided on these. They are halogen and the wavelength should be better than the LEDS. Will see.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NARVA-71860-COMPAC-FOG-LIGHT-LIGHTS-LAMP-KIT-BEAM-4X4-NEW-55W-55-WATT-100-12V/221300450206?epid=244642469&hash=item338688e39e:g:CTUAAOSwhwdVUERI:sc:AU_PrePa idExpressPostSatchel3kg!3180!AU!-1Keen to hear how they go.

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[PeeBee]

Keen to hear how they go.

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Well taking your lead, I looked up the Kelvin value for normal halogen and its smack on 3000, so that makes sense.

[the evil twin]

Decided on these. They are halogen and the wavelength should be better than the LEDS. Will see.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NARVA-71860-COMPAC-FOG-LIGHT-LIGHTS-LAMP-KIT-BEAM-4X4-NEW-55W-55-WATT-100-12V/221300450206?epid=244642469&hash=item338688e39e:g:CTUAAOSwhwdVUERI:sc:AU_PrePa idExpressPostSatchel3kg!3180!AU!-1

Those are exactly what I used to run in my GQ/GU Patrols except I used to get chinee knockoff rather than genuine Narva.
After slightly mod'ding the mount they would fit straight in the ARB bull bar.
I would get a cracked/smashed lens about once a year or so depending on how much time I spent on the gravel.
IIRC they were a fair bit cheaper a few years back and a quick look on the 'bay didn't show the ones I used to get at the time

[mudski]

Decided on these. They are halogen and the wavelength should be better than the LEDS. Will see.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NARVA-71860-COMPAC-FOG-LIGHT-LIGHTS-LAMP-KIT-BEAM-4X4-NEW-55W-55-WATT-100-12V/221300450206?epid=244642469&hash=item338688e39e:g:CTUAAOSwhwdVUERI:sc:AU_PrePa idExpressPostSatchel3kg!3180!AU!-1

About 20 years ago when I was driving the MK shorty, i had similar to these but were round and threw off a yellow light. Golf ball lights they were called from memory. Anyhoo, I had these mounted on the l & r steering knuckle so they would turn when you turned the steering wheel, was quite effective. But in turn, they copped a lot of abuse where they were...

[threedogs]

Just saying would any of the HIDs penertrate the fog.
I had 100watt HID headlights . They cut through the
low cloud well I think they were 8000k . Ive removed
them as way too bright foe city driving.

[Arfa Brayne]

I'm running 35w 3000k hid's in 2.5 inch projector lights, mounted in the bullbar. Going up over Hotham at night in cloud/blizzard when I first fitted them , turned them on and the headlights off = thought the fog had cleared and we were above the cloud - until I turned the headlights on again.
Never knew that fog lights could work so good.
partly because of the 3000k yellow light with good output, partly because of the cutoff control of projectors.
Posted a photo her a while ago, but I'll do a search and see if I can find it for you.
Here is the post =
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?45945-Replacing-headlights-GQ&p=795339&viewfull=1#post795339

The small projectors are like the ones you show Pee Bee, they're the fogs.
The larger projectors are running 55w hid 4300k + hi/low gate as driving lights/secondary headlights.

[PeeBee]

That's interesting AB. I did have a pair of 2" projector lights and took them off as they got so damn hot I was worried about them melting the housing they were in. I will have another look at these. They are auto plutonium, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/METAL-PROJECTOR-FOG-SPOT-DRIVING-LIGHTS-H3-ALL-CARS-SILVER-/121352954098

80966

[PeeBee]

OK, mounted and partially wired up the narva set. I know why you pay so much for these - the detail is in the fittings, brass bushes on the pivots and a spring loadd alignment device like a standard headlight, clever. Anyway, power on tomorrow. happy with the location, should be protected enough I think.80968

[MB]

Sorry to say Philstar mate but are very weary of your location choice brother!
Found a quick picture snippet just now off the forum the last time we scrabbled down out of ‘Barkley River Jeep Track’ together aboard our 6.5NA compression grunters :-)
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2020/05/32.jpg
You will unfortunately destroy them very next adventure mate I believe:-(


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[PeeBee]

Yeah, you are probably right. I might shift them up onto the bar flat section, however will lose the 'hooks', but I can always use the bar tow points and shackles I suppose. Good point, would be pissed if I destroyed them first trip out.

[Arfa Brayne]

A bit more work, but mount them in the bullbar like this
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?45945-Replacing-headlights-GQ&p=795339&viewfull=1#post795339

[PeeBee]

A bit more work, but mount them in the bullbar like this
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?45945-Replacing-headlights-GQ&p=795339&viewfull=1#post795339

AB, yep, more work and I am just about over the fiddling around to be honest. I will have a look tomorrow as the config you suggest is probably the best. Thanks.

[PeeBee]

OK, relocated the lights after removing the snatch hooks. I think they will work fine at this height, have used the adjusters to angle the heads downwards also.80995

[MB]

Perfect Scrabble Proof Brother!
Nice work PB mate & great link AB mate!!


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[MB]

FWIW: We should all (viewing here) seriously consider ‘entry angles’ as a priority off-road. Personally perplexed how much lesser trucks (Daddy’s Loan Ranger) attach their shiny winch hooks daily deep up under their front soft-road machines!



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[eos2voyage]

How did the Narva fog lights go mate? I have nothing but problems with any Narva gear I have bought recently so a bit reluctant to try them for fog lights

[eos2voyage]

I am planning on installing some LED Bushranger drive lights and was hoping to connect to existing wiring. Does anyone know what the two spare connectors are under the headlights hanging down? Are they for OEM fog lights? Do they link up to a relay? Do they have a connector under the dash for attaching a switch? My old Hilux had Toyota wiring already in place to just attach lights and go.

[PeeBee]

How did the Narva fog lights go mate? I have nothing but problems with any Narva gear I have bought recently so a bit reluctant to try them for fog lights

Sorry for the late reply, have not used or needed them. The truck does not get out much, but I will let the forum know when they have been used and the outcome.