No adjustment left on my rear panhard

[First Pooy]

Has anyone ever had to cut down a rear panhard on a Gq to get full adjustment out of it ?

[mudski]

Considering these rods are not adjustable from factory you will have an aftermarket one on there. I can only assume the one on these is for a Patrol with a different height suspension lift. Where are you thinking of cutting it?

[First Pooy]

Considering these rods are not adjustable from factory you will have an aftermarket one on there. I can only assume the one on these is for a Patrol with a different height suspension lift. Where are you thinking of cutting it?

I have a Gq waggon with Gu front and rear complete diff swap I told superior this when I ordered the rear adjustable panhard I have e phoned and emailed twice about it and they said that are all the same and that I have adjusted it wrong and re-sent the adjustment instructions, well I am not stupid and I have looked at it multiple times so I was supposed to go to there store to check it out and pick up more parts but now I am stuck at home and don't know when I will get there it was a brand new bar and the spring has been hitting the bump stop from day one

[mudski]

Can you post a pic of how far its out? If possible...

[First Pooy]

Can you post a pic of how far its out? If possible...

Yeah I will take picture tomorrow of how close and how far the spring sits from the bump stop mount, I have measured from the chassis rail to the tire the left is a bit over 115 mm and the othet side is just under 110 mm so the diff needs to moved over to the right but there is no more adjustment left I even did superior suggestion witch I don't like and took the second lock nut out but that only gave me 5 mm at least it is very close and not touching any more, this lift kit from superior has been the biggest night mare and I thought they were suppose to be good, I just wish I paid them to do it now and saved the grief.

[mudski]

Can you post a link of the lift kit you got and the panhard rod? Did you remove the upper and lower control arms at all?

[First Pooy]

Can you post a link of the lift kit you got and the panhard rod? Did you remove the upper and lower control arms at all?

Yeah I replaced the upper control arms with adjustable ones and before the corvid-19 hit I was just about to take it up to superior to get long lower control arms done.

[First Pooy]

Ok it took me a bit but I worked out how to post the link the only difference in the kit is that they sent me Dobbinsons front constant load springs of 50-100 kg and the rear of 250-350 kg constant load but I have a feeling that some one screwed up the matching of the springs to shocks, the front is 5 inch and the rear is 6 inch.

http://www.superiorengineering.com.au/4x4-suspension/suspension-lift-kits/superior-remote-reservoir-hyperflex-3-inch-lift-kit-nissan-patrol-gq-31323?filter=128%2C355%2CNissan-Patrol-GQ90on-1990-1997--WagonLWBDiesel4.2%2C2.8 &sort=p.price&order=DESC

[mudski]

What size lift did you get? Or what size kit did you order?

[First Pooy]

What size lift did you get? Or what size kit did you order?

I ordered a 3 inch lift

[First Pooy]

Here are the pictures

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[mudski]

Have you still got the GQ diff there? If so. Measure the centre of the mounting point where the panhard rod would mount too, to a outer point on the diff. Then do the same with the GU diff. Superiors website show different rods for GU and GQ.
Im just thinking out loud here. That maybe, the mounting point on the diff for the panhard rod is at a different measurement to the centre of the diff on the GU to the GQ? If you get what I mean. If it is, this could be why the rod is too long.
Not sure really to be honest. Winnie @AB. You guys have GU diffs yeah? Any ideas.

[First Pooy]

Have you still got the GQ diff there? If so. Measure the centre of the mounting point where the panhard rod would mount too, to a outer point on the diff. Then do the same with the GU diff. Superiors website show different rods for GU and GQ.
Im just thinking out loud here. That maybe, the mounting point on the diff for the panhard rod is at a different measurement to the centre of the diff on the GU to the GQ? If you get what I mean. If it is, this could be why the rod is too long.
Not sure really to be honest. Winnie @AB. You guys have GU diffs yeah? Any ideas.

Thanks for your help I did contact superior when I saw thay the Gu Ute panhards on there site were different but they told me they are all the same when I rang up it is doing my head in

[mudski]

Thanks for your help I did contact superior when I saw thay the Gu Ute panhards on there site were different but they told me they are all the same when I rang up it is doing my head in

Is your rod that you got in the kit, dead straight? Or has a slight bend in it?

[mudski]

Also. What have you got? GQ ute, or Wagon?

[First Pooy]

Also. What have you got? GQ ute, or Wagon?

My panhard is striaght and yet the one that matched my criteria on the Superior web sit was bent that is why I rang up and they said that thay are the same, I have a Gq coil waggon with a Gu Ute diff assembles apparently

[mudski]

H260 or H233 diff? 12 or 11 bolts hold the centre into the housing?

[MudRunnerTD]

As i understand the only change to the panard rod was to the GUIV onwards as it went to a hiem joint bush (I think that is what it's called) so it would be specific. Unlikely thia is the problem.

Yes I have a Panard here that is too long too. Not Superior. Interesting though, from memory I think I have a similar problem on my GQ with Superior and GU diffs. I ran out of adjustment and accepted the borderline alignment. I have a slightly higher lift though. If I dropped to a 3" lift I would have a problem though. Was a few years ago sorry so I only vaguely remember dealing with that in my shed.

So the 5mm is still no good for you? Reality is that 5mm out is actually only 2.5mm of correction. Have you run out of thread or it bottoms out?

[First Pooy]

As i understand the only change to the panard rod was to the GUIV onwards as it went to a hiem joint bush (I think that is what it's called) so it would be specific. Unlikely thia is the problem.

Yes I have a Panard here that is too long too. Not Superior. Interesting though, from memory I think I have a similar problem on my GQ with Superior and GU diffs. I ran out of adjustment and accepted the borderline alignment. I have a slightly higher lift though. If I dropped to a 3" lift I would have a problem though. Was a few years ago sorry so I only vaguely remember dealing with that in my shed.

So the 5mm is still no good for you? Reality is that 5mm out is actually only 2.5mm of correction. Have you run out of thread or it bottoms out?

It screwed up all the way up to the nut then I took the second nut off and gained 5 mm before it bottemed out, and yeah I ready thought if I had a 4 inch lift it would solve the problem appart from not being legal witch I didn't want

[PeeBee]

At the end of the day, based on the amount of money you have shelled out, this kit should be foolproof. Making compromises should not be within the field of purchase unless you know they are there to begin with. This sorry tale brings back all the dramas I have had with the chev and s/c conversion, all supposedly well developed and thought out 'kits' - could not be further from the truth. I would be telling Superior to either fix the issue to your expectation, as defined in their literature, or take them to fair trading for misrepresentation or rip it out and send it back for a full refund. A number of the suggestions above are pragmatic solutions however really are compromises on what you expected the kit to deliver. At the end of the day its your cash and what value you expect to get for it - I mean there have been issues with the springs as well from memory - the manufacturer should not be allowed to dish this up and expect the consumer to swallow it. Just my 2C.

[0-TJ-0]

At the end of the day, based on the amount of money you have shelled out, this kit should be foolproof. Making compromises should not be within the field of purchase unless you know they are there to begin with. This sorry tale brings back all the dramas I have had with the chev and s/c conversion, all supposedly well developed and thought out 'kits' - could not be further from the truth. I would be telling Superior to either fix the issue to your expectation, as defined in their literature, or take them to fair trading for misrepresentation or rip it out and send it back for a full refund. A number of the suggestions above are pragmatic solutions however really are compromises on what you expected the kit to deliver. At the end of the day its your cash and what value you expect to get for it - I mean there have been issues with the springs as well from memory - the manufacturer should not be allowed to dish this up and expect the consumer to swallow it. Just my 2C.

Not wrong mate. I don't mind paying a premium to support someone else's hard work (a kit) and saving myself some time but it gives me the shts when you could have done a better job yourself or you still have to modify/cut and weld it in anyway. Such is life with mods I guess, but it would just be nice if you got what you paid for sometimes.

[PeeBee]

Not wrong mate. I don't mind paying a premium to support someone else's hard work (a kit) and saving myself some time but it gives me the shts when you could have done a better job yourself or you still have to modify/cut and weld it in anyway. Such is life with mods I guess, but it would just be nice if you got what you paid for sometimes.

Agree, and the buggers dont make it easy either. Whats your next move as I am sure the kit is flawed, has to be something simple with that panhard - I seem to recall Winnie upgraded his diff housings to GU and the only difference on the panhard was a change to a longer end, maybe I got that mixed up with a different rod on the front perhaps?

[First Pooy]

H260 or H233 diff? 12 or 11 bolts hold the centre into the housing?

Do all Utes run the H260 diff because I was told that these diffs were out of a Ute and yet it has 11 studs holding it in.

[First Pooy]

Not wrong mate. I don't mind paying a premium to support someone else's hard work (a kit) and saving myself some time but it gives me the shts when you could have done a better job yourself or you still have to modify/cut and weld it in anyway. Such is life with mods I guess, but it would just be nice if you got what you paid for sometimes.

That is why I want with superior because of the good reputation and they had a top doller kit ready to go but just my luck that everything that could go wrong want wrong and is still is going wrong months after, parts missing from there kits is terrible I just put in the coil tower brace and three lock nuts were missing I had to drive down town to buy more just to finish the job, I sooo wish I just paid them to put it in then they would off fixed the stuff ups and had spare pieces that were missing and then I could of changed the things I didn't like after but I was looking forward to doing the lift myself and the experience of it plus I am particularly about how I like things done and all so the built not brought concept, what do you have to do to get the right shit these days apparently paying top doller doesn't cut it.

[First Pooy]

Agree, and the buggers dont make it easy either. Whats your next move as I am sure the kit is flawed, has to be something simple with that panhard - I seem to recall Winnie upgraded his diff housings to GU and the only difference on the panhard was a change to a longer end, maybe I got that mixed up with a different rod on the front perhaps?


I don't know I am kind of thinking of fair trading because I am fairly sure that they miss matched my shocks to springs and are trying to charge me for it to be fixed, I spent weeks emailing back and forth trying to get a quote on finishing everything but it was like they didn't want to do it, I finally got a quote which was quite high and was about to go up to get it done and panhard sorted out then a few days later the corbid-19 come in to play and things started to shut down.

[First Pooy]

At the end of the day, based on the amount of money you have shelled out, this kit should be foolproof. Making compromises should not be within the field of purchase unless you know they are there to begin with. This sorry tale brings back all the dramas I have had with the chev and s/c conversion, all supposedly well developed and thought out 'kits' - could not be further from the truth. I would be telling Superior to either fix the issue to your expectation, as defined in their literature, or take them to fair trading for misrepresentation or rip it out and send it back for a full refund. A number of the suggestions above are pragmatic solutions however really are compromises on what you expected the kit to deliver. At the end of the day its your cash and what value you expect to get for it - I mean there have been issues with the springs as well from memory - the manufacturer should not be allowed to dish this up and expect the consumer to swallow it. Just my 2C.

Yes you are right I have had and still have dramas with my springs as well, I don't think I got around to posting this because I was fuming about it but I contacted superior to finish off the build for in house engineering long arms and ect and cross member chop like they had quoted a year before, they now say that they will not pass the cross member chop which they had previously advertised and that my shocks are now to long that I have to take them out and sell them and buy another set 3 inch shocks off them because the coil springs need to be captive then they will.pass it,I told them that I wanted a 3 inch legal lift kit and that is what they recommended and now they just chang there minds and I have to pay for it.

[PeeBee]

This a nightmare for sure

[Ben-e-boy]

Yes you are right I have had and still have dramas with my springs as well, I don't think I got around to posting this because I was fuming about it but I contacted superior to finish off the build for in house engineering long arms and ect and cross member chop like they had quoted a year before, they now say that they will not pass the cross member chop which they had previously advertised and that my shocks are now to long that I have to take them out and sell them and buy another set 3 inch shocks off them because the coil springs need to be captive then they will.pass it,I told them that I wanted a 3 inch legal lift kit and that is what they recommended and now they just chang there minds and I have to pay for it.

Did you specify Dobinsons springs 50-100kg? The kit you posted the link for is a hyperflex kit with their own springs? Also, I explained how/what to check to be able to cross reference the springs you have vs the springs you bought. Did you bother to do that?

Looking the pics. Those bump stops look to have 2 sets of mounting holes? If that is the case Set the passenger side bump stop further to the outside of the chassis. The whole diff shifts to the passenger side on compression anyway that should help clear that.

Out of interest What is the center to center measurement of new panhard v stock one if you still have it?

[First Pooy]

Did you specify Dobinsons springs 50-100kg? The kit you posted the link for is a hyperflex kit with their own springs? Also, I explained how/what to check to be able to cross reference the springs you have vs the springs you bought. Did you bother to do that?

Looking the pics. Those bump stops look to have 2 sets of mounting holes? If that is the case Set the passenger side bump stop further to the outside of the chassis. The whole diff shifts to the passenger side on compression anyway that should help clear that.

Out of interest What is the center to center measurement of new panhard v stock one if you still have it?

This is where I think they stuffed up I didn't specify anything I thought I would get the Superior springs and the Dobbinsons turned up instead and when I asked about the springs that no one had contacted me to discuss about the spring raits and type they said they didn't need to because I supplied ample information about how much weight I was carrying, I believe that they got so caught up at looking at spring raits that they for got to look at what springs would suit the shocks that they recommend, and I haven't gotten around to measureing the springs yet I have been dealing with the rear end problems and the bump stops could be moved but the instructions were clear on the off set being on the inside it would put a band aid fix on it for now, by the way there are no second holes there the old bump stop broke of in the chassis and when I want to drill it the drill bit snapped off inside the bolt I have all the fun so the engineer was to busy to fix it and I was going away so I drilled and tapped and new hole beside it all so saved a few plus hundred dollers in repairs.

[Ben-e-boy]

This is where I think they stuffed up I didn't specify anything I thought I would get the Superior springs and the Dobbinsons turned up instead and when I asked about the springs that no one had contacted me to discuss about the spring raits and type they said they didn't need to because I supplied ample information about how much weight I was carrying, I believe that they got so caught up at looking at spring raits that they for got to look at what springs would suit the shocks that they recommend, and I haven't gotten around to measureing the springs yet I have been dealing with the rear end problems and the bump stops could be moved but the instructions were clear on the off set being on the inside it would put a band aid fix on it for now, by the way there are no second holes there the old bump stop broke of in the chassis and when I want to drill it the drill bit snapped off inside the bolt I have all the fun so the engineer was to busy to fix it and I was going away so I drilled and tapped and new hole beside it all so saved a few plus hundred dollers in repairs.

How did they know what weight you are carrying in the first place? That is info you would have had to give out.

Do you still have the instructions for the bump stops that you can post. It makes sense to have the drivers side offset in and passenger side offset out, because of the way the rear end cycles

[First Pooy]

How did they know what weight you are carrying in the first place? That is info you would have had to give out.

Do you still have the instructions for the bump stops that you can post. It makes sense to have the drivers side offset in and passenger side offset out, because of the way the rear end cycles

There was a check sheet when I ordered the parts online about what was attached to the vehicle, like the front having winch bar and winch or the rear having draws, batteries,swing away arms so forth but they said they would ring and discuss springs raits, but when I said I never received a call about it like they said they would, they said that it was not needed as I have given them more info then most people do
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.superiorengineering.com.au/image/instruction_files/Nissan_Patrol_Bump_Stop_Extention_Rear_inst.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiQ7JGBtu_oAhXG6nMBHfx5AH8QFjABegQIBhAJ&usg=AOvVaw3Ub1yrxT670g70tGy8ogZS

[mudski]

Do all Utes run the H260 diff because I was told that these diffs were out of a Ute and yet it has 11 studs holding it in.

H260 is the larger diff so they are 12 bolt. And as far as I am aware. Utes ran H260’s, but they have a different axle spline count to the H260 wagons. For some reason.....


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[First Pooy]

H260 is the larger diff so they are 12 bolt. And as far as I am aware. Utes ran H260’s, but they have a different axle spline count to the H260 wagons. For some reason.....


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Well don't I feel stupid I was talking to the wreckers about a GVM upgrade and he was telling me the different amounts that the diffs can carry and he told me that the Ute diffs can carry the most weight, so he told me that he sold me Ute complete diff assembles and it is written on my reciept I didn't think anything about it until I read some posts about the diffs being bigger and I got to thinking about it

[nissannewby]

H260 is the larger diff so they are 12 bolt. And as far as I am aware. Utes ran H260’s, but they have a different axle spline count to the H260 wagons. For some reason.....


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Utes only ran H260 in the rear of the leaf sprung utes. These were a full floating setup I believe. All coil spring utes ran the H233 diffs.
The coil sprung H260 came in some wagons but is a semi floating arrangement. Hence the different spline counts across the 3 different rear diffs.

[First Pooy]

Utes only ran H260 in the rear of the leaf sprung utes. These were a full floating setup I believe. All coil spring utes ran the H233 diffs.
The coil sprung H260 came in some wagons but is a semi floating arrangement. Hence the different spline counts across the 3 different rear diffs.

Is there any difference between a coil waggon diff to a coil sprang Ute ?

[mudski]

Utes only ran H260 in the rear of the leaf sprung utes. These were a full floating setup I believe. All coil spring utes ran the H233 diffs.
The coil sprung H260 came in some wagons but is a semi floating arrangement. Hence the different spline counts across the 3 different rear diffs.

Yeah my 2001 Wagon came out factory with the H260. Wish it didn’t sometimes. It’s that bit bigger and I’m always the one who gets hung up in the deeper ruts.


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[nissannewby]

Is there any difference between a coil waggon diff to a coil sprang Ute ?

Only the coil spring h260 is different. The h233 diffs are all the same as far as I'm aware. A coil ute gvm is really not much more than a wagon. I'm pretty sure coil utes only had a gvm of 3150 and max tow rating of 2500.

[First Pooy]

Update I finally got to talk to someone at Superior who knew what they were talking about and confirmed finally that they have provided the wrong panhard to me, ffs how many times did I contact them just to be told that I was wrong grrrr he said that I was provided with poor advice no shit they need to retrain their people,I told them over and over again that I had a Gu set up underneath and it fell on deaf ears he said that parts underneath are different and it is a essentialy a Gu underneath well I bloody told them that over and over again, now thay have admitted it the next fight is how to get it fixed, I don't care if I put it in over a year ago I rang up the day I put it in saying it was wrong and since then they kept telling me that is was right.

And with the spring problem apparently it is the right set up for off road performance but not for legal purposes even though I told them I wanted a 3 inch legal lift kit that just fell on deaf ears,superior said if you need the spring captivated for legal purposes then that is up to me to fix they will not swap the springs over, for a well known company they just keep shifting me I am so lucky, I must of killed someone in a past life to have this crap happen over and over again.

[mudski]

Not sure where you are from but here in Vic a 3 inch suspension lift is not legal. In any way. Unless you have it engineered. So I can see their point on that.


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[Ben-e-boy]

Update I finally got to talk to someone at Superior who knew what they were talking about and confirmed finally that they have provided the wrong panhard to me, ffs how many times did I contact them just to be told that I was wrong grrrr he said that I was provided with poor advice no shit they need to retrain their people,I told them over and over again that I had a Gu set up underneath and it fell on deaf ears he said that parts underneath are different and it is a essentialy a Gu underneath well I bloody told them that over and over again, now thay have admitted it the next fight is how to get it fixed, I don't care if I put it in over a year ago I rang up the day I put it in saying it was wrong and since then they kept telling me that is was right.

And with the spring problem apparently it is the right set up for off road performance but not for legal purposes even though I told them I wanted a 3 inch legal lift kit that just fell on deaf ears,superior said if you need the spring captivated for legal purposes then that is up to me to fix they will not swap the springs over, for a well known company they just keep shifting me I am so lucky, I must of killed someone in a past life to have this crap happen over and over again.

Looking on the website, there seems to be 3 different units. 1 for GQ's, 1 for GU utes and Pre 01/2000 wagons and 1 for GU wagons from 01/2000 to current.
Do you know which one you were given?

Edit. If and when you get a new one, get a measurement of the panhard and compare it before you rip the current one out.

With the springs. Your are trying to get bulk travel, load carrying capacity and a fairly low lift with off the shelf items. Something will have to be compromised. That's your issue. Sell the ones you have and try again.

I went through 6 sets of springs before I found a set I liked.

[mudski]

Looking on the website, there seems to be 3 different units. 1 for GQ's, 1 for GU utes and Pre 01/2000 wagons and 1 for GU wagons from 01/2000 to current.
Do you know which one you were given?

Edit. If and when you get a new one, get a measurement of the panhard and compare it before you rip the current one out.

With the springs. Your are trying to get bulk travel, load carrying capacity and a fairly low lift with off the shelf items. Something will have to be compromised. That's your issue. Sell the ones you have and try again.

I went through 6 sets of springs before I found a set I liked.

Ben I reckon he might have been given either the GQ kit or the pre GU kit. One difference I know of is the upper panhard bush on the later GU one is that big spherical type bush.

[Ben-e-boy]

Ben I reckon he might have been given either the GQ kit or the pre GU kit. One difference I know of is the upper panhard bush on the later GU one is that big spherical type bush.

Should that make a difference to the overall length and adjustability of the panhard? As far as I'm aware there should be no difference in mounts between Q and U h233's from the centerline of the housing, that's why so many parts are interchangeable. I thought the difference is closer to the hubs or the end of the axle tube, just like the front.

[First Pooy]

Ben I reckon he might have been given either the GQ kit or the pre GU kit. One difference I know of is the upper panhard bush on the later GU one is that big spherical type bush.

You boys are correct I had a Gq rear panhard and I knew it was wrong because I found the Gu ones on there web site but when I asked about it I was told they are all the same,I thought it that was true then why have they labeled them differently well when I was ordering more parts I told the guy that I had a Gu set up underneath and he said that he was glad that I had told him because some parts are different underneath that is when I asked him about the rear panhard and he told me that I have the wrong one because mine was for a Gq well I knew that from the beginning now I have someone that believe me

[mudski]

Should that make a difference to the overall length and adjustability of the panhard? As far as I'm aware there should be no difference in mounts between Q and U h233's from the centerline of the housing, that's why so many parts are interchangeable. I thought the difference is closer to the hubs or the end of the axle tube, just like the front.

No. Well as far as I am aware. It’s only a chassis mount bush design change. Length on the GU remains the same. And the Gu Panhard has a bend and the Q is straight. Again. As far as I am aware. Lol


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