Battery problem

[10G]

I have a 10 month old Super Charge AGM which I use as my crank battery. I used the car on Sunday and all was fine. I hopped in it on Friday and it was completely dead.

I jumped it off the second battery and drove for 20 mins at 100kmh. Once I stopped at the end of the trip I tried to start the Patrol again & it was totally dead again.

Got home last night and charged it on a Noco smart charger for 12 hours. The charger said it was back at 100% charge. I removed the charger and measured the battery and it was 12.0x. I watched as the voltmeter dropped down to 11.4.

I just completed a trip across the Anne Beadell Hwy which was a total shake test with very severe corrugations & I'm wondering if this may have caused my problem, although I had no problems for at least a full week after getting off the AB Hwy.

Thanks for any help.

[mudnut]

It is stuffed but should be under warranty.

[nipagu7]

i just checked the supercharge website . it seems they reccomend a calcium battery for your model car . i don't know if this is what you have and i may be wrong , but i am under the impression that the patrols don't charge at a higher enough voltage rate to charge a calcium battery properly . this may not be problem but someone with knowledge of batteries will hopefully chime in and enlighten us .

[10G]

It is stuffed but should be under warranty.

I think you're probably right muddy.

[0-TJ-0]

Yeah you've dropped a cell or something. Warranty jobo.

[Yeti's Beast]

Almost all batteries are calcium now with exception to a few oem batteries from Japan.
What model battery do you have?
It sounds like a dead cell to me.


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[Bob]

I have a 10 month old Super Charge AGM which I use as my crank battery. I used the car on Sunday and all was fine. I hopped in it on Friday and it was completely dead.

I jumped it off the second battery and drove for 20 mins at 100kmh. Once I stopped at the end of the trip I tried to start the Patrol again & it was totally dead again.

Got home last night and charged it on a Noco smart charger for 12 hours. The charger said it was back at 100% charge. I removed the charger and measured the battery and it was 12.0x. I watched as the voltmeter dropped down to 11.4.

I just completed a trip across the Anne Beadell Hwy which was a total shake test with very severe corrugations & I'm wondering if this may have caused my problem, although I had no problems for at least a full week after getting off the AB Hwy.

Thanks for any help.

As far as I am aware AGM Batteries should not be used as Cranking Batteries.
Check out this and read all the way down
https://www.australiandirect.com.au/Battery-Systems/AGM-Deep-Cycle-Batteries/KA12120

[mudnut]

Good find, that, Bob. For those who can't be bothered reading it, it says for the Kick Ass brand warranty is void for under bonnet use and golf cart use.

[Yeti's Beast]

It all depends on the battery.
I’ve recently joined Federal Batteries. We sell the Optima and Dekka Intimidator
Both batteries are AGM ad rated for under bonnet and can be used to start and cyclic use.
That’s why I was curious to what model battery he had from Supercharge.
Previously I worked for a company that sold these
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2019/07/89.jpg
Depending on the application, these were fine as a starting battery.
As with all things, not all batteries will suit every application


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[Touses]

It all depends on the battery.
I’ve recently joined Federal Batteries. We sell the Optima and Dekka Intimidator
Both batteries are AGM ad rated for under bonnet and can be used to start and cyclic use.
That’s why I was curious to what model battery he had from Supercharge.
Previously I worked for a company that sold these
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2019/07/89.jpg
Depending on the application, these were fine as a starting battery.
As with all things, not all batteries will suit every application


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A little off topic here. Big heap of members at my golf club are having major dramas with their golf cart batteries in the cold weather.

Of course every one of them has a different bank of batteries they all believe to be the ducks guts (no end of self styled experts up my way).

Your opinion please Yeti. Beyond the lithium alternative what style of / size of battery should these guys be using.

Bearing in mind some are used 3-4 times a week and others just the once. TIA

[Yeti's Beast]

A little off topic here. Big heap of members at my golf club are having major dramas with their golf cart batteries in the cold weather.

Of course every one of them has a different bank of batteries they all believe to be the ducks guts (no end of self styled experts up my way).

Your opinion please Yeti. Beyond the lithium alternative what style of / size of battery should these guys be using.

Bearing in mind some are used 3-4 times a week and others just the once. TIA

Using the style that came with the buggy is best. Ie: if it came with wet style batteries stick with it as the charger is designed for that. Unless the charger has different settings you can’t change to lithium or AGM.
It becomes expensive otherwise.
Remember each type of battery has its own charging characteristics.
We supply both wet and Agm batteries and a Charger that’s programmable to suit both types.
We sell a new battery to Australia called Rolls. They come from Canada and have been manufactured since 1908. We supply them with a 18 month warranty.


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[Touses]

Using the style that came with the buggy is best. Ie: if it came with wet style batteries stick with it as the charger is designed for that. Unless the charger has different settings you can’t change to lithium or AGM.
It becomes expensive otherwise.
Remember each type of battery has its own charging characteristics.
We supply both wet and Agm batteries and a Charger that’s programmable to suit both types.
We sell a new battery to Australia called Rolls. They come from Canada and have been manufactured since 1908. We supply them with a 18 month warranty.


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Thanks for that bloke.
Reckon you'd be spot on re the each type of battery charging characteristics.
Thinking some of these 'experts' may place a little too much value on their opinions.
A matter of they get their heads together and it's "so n so has such n such so that must be the good stuff, I'll give it a crack."
In doing so they get away from the original setup for their carts. A lot of it boils down to dollars, tight fisted bunch up here.
Thanks again

[10G]

Sorry folks I missed all the replies to this topic.

It's the Super Charge MRV70L. It says on the label on the side it's suitable as a deep cycle & cranking battery.

I'm getting it replaced on Saturday under warranty.

[Yeti's Beast]

Sorry folks I missed all the replies to this topic.

It's the Super Charge MRV70L. It says on the label on the side it's suitable as a deep cycle & cranking battery.

I'm getting it replaced on Saturday under warranty.

They are not an Agm They are a calcium battery and ideal for your application. I used to run 2 of them in my Landcruiser


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[10G]

Yep, thanks. Oh well I hope I get more than 10 months out of the new one.

You suggested them YB when I was looking at lithium at the time & decided that wasn't the way to go.

[Yeti's Beast]

Yep, thanks. Oh well I hope I get more than 10 months out of the new one.

You suggested them YB when I was looking at lithium at the time & decided that wasn't the way to go.

Batteries are like women. Some are good and some are hmmmm, duds


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[MB]

....and Lola was apparently a dude.
~The Kinks 1970


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[10G]

So I got my faulty battery swapped out today, no problems.

I asked the guy for a receipt for the new battery in case this one dies as well and he said that the warranty runs from the date of purchase. So I bought the original 10 months ago, it has a 12 month warranty, so this brand new unused battery only has a 2 month warranty.

The guy said that's the way it works otherwise you could get a new battery every year. Yeah maybe. I don't know if that's common warranty stuff across everything in the universe or just these batteries?????

But to me, they make a product it should be covered by a warranty because they reckon it's so good it won't break in that time. So my first battery was good enough to warranty for 12 months, but I only have 2 months warranty on the new one. I can see it both ways, but it doesn't seem right to me.

Anyway it was a painless venture & the guy at the shop said he was surprised to see one of these dead as he'd never seen a dead one before, so that added to my confidence in the product.

[mudski]

Yeah I was surprised that a Supercharge battery died. That’s the only brand I’ve used for more than 20 years. Never had an issue. But I think you just rattled the battery to bits on those corrugated roads you did. Or that could have impacted on it somehow. But you got a new one so that’s good.


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[10G]

Yeah I was surprised that a Supercharge battery died. That’s the only brand I’ve used for more than 20 years. Never had an issue. But I think you just rattled the battery to bits on those corrugated roads you did. Or that could have impacted on it somehow. But you got a new one so that’s good.


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Well that's good to know mudski. I'm hoping to get a good long life out of these 2 batteries (crank & aux).

I reckon the AB Hwy may have had something to do with it as well, just hope the 2nd battery keeps on keeping on.

[Yeti's Beast]

Warranty rules have changed a few times over the years.
Originally it was only from original purchase date, but then it changed to start again from replacement date.
I do believe it’s reverted back to the old system because cars like taxis were getting unlimited batteries. As a rule a battery lasts about 6 months in a taxi.
Check out the ACCC web site for clarification


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[10G]

The old battery I just got replaced had caps which you could open, they where flush with the top of the battery with screwdriver slots. This new one, I can't see any, but suspect they're under the big sticker on the top of the battery.

Do these need to be topped up from time to time?

I got the MRV70L.

[Yeti's Beast]

The old battery I just got replaced had caps which you could open, they where flush with the top of the battery with screwdriver slots. This new one, I can't see any, but suspect they're under the big sticker on the top of the battery.

Do these need to be topped up from time to time?

I got the MRV70L.

MRV batteries are meant to be maintenance free


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[10G]

MRV batteries are meant to be maintenance free


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Thanks YB, that's the kind of maintenance I like.