Radius Fab air cleaner doing my head in ?

[First Pooy]

I purchased a Radius Fab air box and snorkel because of the good reputation of quality and recommendations plus it was made for a Gq to just fit in, well the box was delivered 9 days after it was promised because I wanted it before the Australia day long weekend and it was delivered today and it does not fit in I will have to shave a heap off the top lip just to shut the bonnet and the 90 d silican bend from the air box is no were near the hole in the inner gaurd but the snorkel seems to line up beside the safari snorkel so that suggests the hole.is in the right place any pics out the of the pannal box set up?

[mudnut]

Forgive me for posting another forum's link, but one guy suggests you need to spend a lot of time to fit it properly. https://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/engine-drivetrain-55/radius-fab-snorkel-airbox-feedback-321873/

[Bidja]

Did you get the round pod type or LS1 panel airbox? Looks like maybe LS1.

[First Pooy]

Yeah I got the Ls1, and everything has been such a bitch fight and that is one of the reasons I want with Radius is it was supposed to be plug and play something simple for a change

[Bidja]

The link that mudnut posted takes you to lots of info on LS1 install.

Have lots of thread links providing similar info as I was looking at various options couple of months back. Main mod for LSI is to shift Aux battery tray if U have. Currently doing an install for GU CRD 4" snorkel and 4" thru airbox (design similar to Fatz 9" pod box). Some ideas that may be useful are in my thread:

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?43955-Install-Upgrade-to-4-quot-Snorkel-(recessed)-and-new-Pod-Air-Box

Put up some pics of what you have at the moment.

[First Pooy]

Don't know how yet I am going to get away from shaving half my new air box lip off to close the bonnet and it looks like a fair bit has to come off it

[Bidja]

Does it clear the radiator shroud/cowl?

Any pics of how it sits?

Could also try contacting Radius Fabrication, Richie's ph number 07 3245 4515 or contact via FB (Radius Fabrication).. They were going to send some pictures for GU/LS1 but never came thru, told me he lost all his photos on camera.

[MudRunnerTD]

Don't know how yet I am going to get away from shaving half my new air box lip off to close the bonnet and it looks like a fair bit has to come off it

Makes no sense that you have to shave the lid to fit. Pics posted here will help. Have you contacted Radius Fab?

[AB]

Yeah keen for some photos too mate, doesn’t make sense.

I know it’s the wrong side but would a few washes under the bonnet hinge be enough?


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[First Pooy]

I was trying this afternoon to get pics but it is raining so tomorrow if it is still raining i will try to fit it in the garage and take some

[First Pooy]

I have tried not a hope in hell of fiting in and shaving the lip is no longer an option to much has to come off, and my pics will not load up I have tried 3 times now

[First Pooy]

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[First Pooy]

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[Bidja]

In you second last photo, there is two holes adjacent to each other, is this panel level or does it drop. eg: if you moved the LS1 box closer to eng would the LS1 drop in height?
Notice U have FMIC duct close by?

Your hole in inner guard, it is not yet opened up to take 4" silicon?

Are you running snorkel straight out thru guard then along to Pillar A external or internal above wheel well then come out thru guard near pillar?

Deal with connection to turbo soon.

[PeeBee]

That looks so far out that I am wondering if you have been supplied with a totally wrong unit - have you discussed with the supplier yet? Does he have these photo's? It certainly looks solid enough though.

[First Pooy]

In you second last photo, there is two holes adjacent to each other, is this panel level or does it drop. eg: if you moved the LS1 box closer to eng would the LS1 drop in height?

I tried pushing it towards the motor but it did make a difference and then the 90 d bent wouldn't fit to the turbo and it does sites very happly were it is, as I slide it around it comes to rest were it is now,the front mount pipe is there but so far it is not in the way I tried moving the box forward but appart from the holes no were near lining up the mount is of the gaurd.

You hole in inner guard, it is not yet opened up to take 4" silicon?

One of my bolts is stuffed so I can not get the snorkel of yet to see how the new snorkel fits but it looks to sit in the same hole

Are you running snorkel straight out thru guard then along to Pillar A external?

Yes I am runing the ss snorkel through the gaurd and along the external of the guard

[First Pooy]

That looks so far out that I am wondering if you have been supplied with a totally wrong unit - have you discussed with the supplier yet? Does he have these photo's? It certainly looks solid enough though.

No I haven't contacted the supplier yet it was such a shit fight just to get it to my door, I rang 6 days straight with no answer from them to see what was happening with my delivery but it look like I have to spend another 6 days ringing

[PeeBee]

No I haven't contacted the supplier yet it was such a shit fight just to get it to my door, I rang 6 days straight with no answer from them to see what was happening with my delivery but it look like I have to spend another 6 days ringing

Sorry to hear about this situation. I would send them some photos and then follow up. It really could be a simple situation where they have made the wrong box for your car. I can't see any other reason for such a massive mis-fit to be honest.

[Bidja]

OK if U are coming straight out thru inner and outer guard using 90 degree bend, straight piece 4"SS then a 90 deg silicon back (exterrnal) toward pillar A this is fine. Worry about the hole thru guard after you are happy with good placement of box (of course watch how alignment is going).

For the silicon from box toward turbo it can have leg trimmed to appropriate length. U can afford to move box towards firewall and closer to eng to drop height and give more room to get 90 deg bend thru inner guard. If leg length of 90 degree silicon to join up to turbo is short U can just add a short length of SS 4" tube and a straight silicon to turbo inlet.

You can alway put new holes in to secure LS1 to body panel.

[PeeBee]

OK if U are coming straight out thru inner and outer guard using 90 degree bend, straight piece 4"SS then a 90 deg silicon back (exterrnal) toward pillar A this is fine. Worry about the hole thru guard after you are happy with good placement of box (of course watch how alignment is going).

For the silicon from box toward turbo it can have leg trimmed to appropriate length. U can afford to move box towards firewall and closer to eng to drop height and give more room to get 90 deg bend thru inner guard. If leg length of 90 degree silicon to join up to turbo is short U can just add a short length of SS 4" tube and a straight silicon to turbo inlet.

You can alway put new holes in to secure LS1 to body panel.

Yes I see what you are saying but the centreline of the turbo to the box 90 deg bend are off about 20mm or there about I reckon - Agree the mount holes could be reworked but I guess after you spend the coin the finished product should fit and not require surgery for a standard 'custom' fitment?

[MudRunnerTD]

Images off google of that airbox in a GA with an LS in it. Hope it helps

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2019/02/3.jpg

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2019/02/4.jpg

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2019/02/5.jpg

Looks like yours is sitting way to high

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[Bidja]

Yes I see what you are saying but the centreline of the turbo to the box 90 deg bend are off about 20mm or there about I reckon - Agree the mount holes could be reworked but I guess after you spend the coin the finished product should fit and not require surgery for a standard 'custom' fitment?

Understand too well Phil, but there are so many build variations out there and one sock does not necessarily fit all. So when one goes outside the square you may have to be prepared customize bits to suit as we all do, or go to bat and sometimes it is just as easy to jump in and sort it yourself.

To install Radius LS1 in the GU, you have to move the Aux battery tray(if fitted) so not straight install there either.

I guess Radius Fab have located their inlet pipe in the side of box(facing front) is to allow for positioning box fwd/aft.
Pics posted by MudRunnerTD show box moved significantly towards firewall(note the 90 Deg bend).

IMO, If the box was moved towards firewall sure it will come together.

[First Pooy]

Well I give up I have roughly lined up the snorkel something a bit weird happening there as well but any way it tells me that the hole is correct bit no matter where I put the box it doesn't work and when it satartsnto work the brackets are so far out of wack that it doesn't work I would love to see some picks of some ones else's set up,if I slide the bix all the way up to the front and rock it back towards the gaurd it just sits below the lip but the brackets are crooked and the snorkel hole is way of

[Bidja]

Well I give up I have roughly lined up the snorkel something a bit weird happening there as well but any way it tells me that the hole is correct bit no matter where I put the box it doesn't work and when it satartsnto work the brackets are so far out of wack that it doesn't work I would love to see some picks of some ones else's set up,if I slide the bix all the way up to the front and rock it back towards the gaurd it just sits below the lip but the brackets are crooked and the snorkel hole is way of

OK as MudRunnerTD said
Looks like yours is sitting way to high. Look at the brkt to hole relationship in his photos, as I said earlier move box toward eng. You will see in his pics that the hole that you were using to secure brkt is visible on the top side of his shown brkt. This will drop your box height (yes)?

What happens when you do this, Give us a pic mate.

A bit hard for you to go back to Radius as I read earlier that you have shaved some of the lid off. Not a good idea on a panel filter.

You should get there, hang in mate.

[First Pooy]

Found the pic I was looking for check this out.the box sites just behind the first pannal bult and it sits flat but mine in the same position is way to high so something is wronge there
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[Bidja]

The only thing I can say is take a look at the Radius LS1 outer edge against the inner guard:

Red body panel pic - the LS1 lid runs parallel with inner guard.

In your trial fit, the LS1 lid runs towards the inner guard at the front corner / outer edge (is not parallel) and also rises up above inner guard bead edge because it ramps up..

Looks like the LS1 has only the one fix down strap that is welded to underneath face of box. Need to swing the box towards the engine at the front. Try using the second threaded hole (being the lower one). This should swing the box at the front towards the engine and the box should be more parallel with inner guard and bring height down as well.
If you need to move box closer to eng make the holes in the fixing strap elongated or drill new holes in the fixing strap to improve placement.

If the LS1 outlet spigot /pipe is higher than the turbo inlet center, just turn the 90 deg bend down slightly and use a SS straight pipe section and say a 45 degree elbow to turbo inlet. Trim silicon fittings as well to fit.

What do you think?

[PeeBee]

All great help being extended her, so I think some of the suggestions need to be explored and crossed off the list. The overall 'attitude' of the box seems way off, like its sitting on a high spot, and moving it towards the firewall might be the answer, as long as it allows the box to sit down a bit further. Its just a mystery why such a 'standard custom' bit of gear that no doubt has been made before is not fitting in a 'logical' position?

[First Pooy]

Well I tried everything until I read a post about a guy having the same problem hr contacted Radius and the confirmed the it wasn't the box and that he did have the right mounting locations,they advised him to bend the mounts to suit the inner gaurd well that wasn't enough so he modified the inner gaurd and so did I so i entered into extreem negations with a hammer and beat the bloody inner guard down and twisted the mounts to suit and to hold it down on it's freshly made bed lol
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So now it has gone from being proud to siting 12 to 15 mm below the bonnet

[First Pooy]

The only problem now is how the hell am I going to line up the turbo and air box the problem is that this is made for a Radius exhaust manifold and I have a Denco high mount they did ask me what I had before making the box so I thought that it would of been made accordingly he even said "ahh yeah the Dencos roll over compared to ours"
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[Bidja]

Good the box is sorted. For the hook up to turbo by 1 or 2 x 45deg elbows and a straight piece of 4 SS to join up and have a play, You will sort it, one step at a time

[First Pooy]

Thanks bro it is dammed annoying that I orded that 90 d bend in espeicaily for this and paid full price for the privilege

[Bidja]

Use the 90 deg where is just the 45's will give flexibility to hook up. Cut then for length to suit.

[First Pooy]

Just need to chase up 3 inches of ss to join up the 45 d but they will not sell under half a meter of the stuff

[Bidja]

Bit hard for me to see what fittings are actually req'd to hook up. What is the alignment of centers like between the 90 deg bend to the compressor housing inlet (side view and down from top)?

Looking at what you have there, what do you think will sort it?

Some use a flexiduct mat'l, personally rather use a solid form type ducting.

[BillsGU]

Just need to chase up 3 inches of ss to join up the 45 d but they will not sell under half a meter of the stuff

Go to an exhaust place. Most will be happy to cut you a piece of SS pipe.

[PeeBee]

Just need to chase up 3 inches of ss to join up the 45 d but they will not sell under half a meter of the stuff

Where are you located? I have some in the garage. Send me a PM with your address and i will cut a bit off for you and post it, or you can pick it up in Melb S.E.

[First Pooy]

Where are you located? I have some in the garage. Send me a PM with your address and i will cut a bit off for you and post it, or you can pick it up in Melb S.E.

Thanks bro but after a lot of ringing around I found a place that would sell me 250 mm of ss pipe it was still more then twice than that was needed but it might come in handy in the future,.a 45 d silican bend cost me $60 and I f@@ked up grrr the bend is to sharp I will update you guys more when I have time on the week end when I have the time to do some more work on it

[PeeBee]

I am wondering if a short piece of flex hose would be better? Takes all the accuracy out of the situation and will get you on the road quicker. You mentioned SS Pipe or do you mean tube - thin wall, shiny finish? Try Purple Pig or whatever they are called now - they have everything. You just want a hose that won't collapse under a slight vacuum, so maybe wire wound, and 200degc operating temp.

[First Pooy]

Well I am not a 100 % happy yet but it is a far cry from what was happening before I ended up beating the inner gaurd down and back up again to drop the box down and to line it up with the turbo there was no other way of doing it, I brought home from work a pannal beating hammer which I haven't used since I brought it new 5 yrs ago and I used the big hammer to beat it down and the panal besting hammer to manipulate the matel in to position it took a while but I was finally happy with the result, but the snorkel is another matter by the time I ground the inner guard to suit the elongated whole was masive what a f@@k up it looks like a hack job another problem for another time I need to get the snorkel mounted and it all so looks like I need to buy another outer gaurd as well again a problem for the future.
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[mudnut]

Plug 'n' play. Well you certainly have had to play! Glad to see you've got it fitted.

[PeeBee]

Well I reckon you have worked your was thru a raft of problems and beaten them, one way or the other! Well done. Regards the outer guard, sit, think it thru and see how you can make it work - it worked for the load of challenges under the bonnet and the outcome looks great.

[First Pooy]

Well I reckon you have worked your was thru a raft of problems and beaten them, one way or the other! Well done. Regards the outer guard, sit, think it thru and see how you can make it work - it worked for the load of challenges under the bonnet and the outcome looks great.

Did you like the custom mount of the expansion tank I needed to be able to test drive it, the next job is to work out were and how to put the tank and I don't like the samll after market ones you can buy you were given that size tank for a reason

[Bidja]

You have sorted the box install and hook up to comp housing, well done and looks good mate.

[First Pooy]

Well it took me over 7 hrs to get it right and looking ok after how shit it all looked but here is the finished product, one of the pics is a bit dark the sun was causing problems
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[PeeBee]

Looks fine to me!