5,000 km and dead

[the godfather]

Okay, question time. My 5,000 km old engine has failed me. Please note this isn't a wing about the mechanic at all. They are ha[[y tp sort it for me, but I currently don't have the funds to freight it to them.
Symptoms:
Boost spiked to 25 PSI and started running rough.
I limped it back to the office with no more spiking, just running rough. Was only about 3km away.
Very hard to start
When it does start it spit black smoke and moisture out the back end.
Scan gauge says there is no errors and everything is normal, so I got the local guy to come and scan with his gauge, still says no errors.
I also notice the coolant was low, though I expected that after 5,000 km from fitment.


Any ideas?
Cheers
The CynicalGrump The Godfather.

[MudRunnerTD]

Can the Engine builder give you a guide on tests to run prior to pulling it out mate? I'd have thought a compression check would be a start.

Good luck mate.

[AB]

Bugger!!!

Check oil level, oil colour?

[MB]

G'day GF,
Total long shot, and I'm definitely no mechanic!
Yours being a 6.5 I believe? is there any chance WA was hot on last Saturday and the PMD overheated mate ?
Cheers MB

[the godfather]

Sorry, it is a ZD3.0 (206 model Di)
I changed the oil it was fine, no water, no crap etc.
I wont be pulling it out. Brunswick fitted it. They aren't running from it either. I told them I would scan 1st in case it is something simple.
Would the MAF cause this?

[MB]

G'day GF,
Apologies mate, outa my league!
Cheers MB!

[dom14]

I also notice the coolant was low, though I expected that after 5,000 km from fitment.
.

How low?!
Why do you expect coolant to be low after driving just 5000km from fitment?!!

[mudnut]

Hopefully the missing coolant is because the cooling system may not have been burped properly.

[Sir Roofy]

Cracked #4 piston maybe ?

[mudski]

Cracked #4 piston maybe ?

I would think if that was the case it wouldn't run at all. But i haven't tried to drive a car with a busted piston.... As others have said. How low is the coolant. If the radiator was pretty much dry, this maybe a concern, head gasket or cracked head. Clean the MAF and see if this changes how the engine reacts. Sometimes the MAF can go and just create poor performance and not bring up any codes. I've had this before. Sometimes they just die totally and the car is undriveable. Always good to keep a spare maf in the glovebox for these motors.

Good luck.

[the godfather]

Coolant took about 1 - 1.5 liters. I assumed the system hadn't been burped properly to start.

[Sir Roofy]

Just re-read this again still think its a crack
could be the MAF must be really choked up
if it is the maf

[mudski]

Just re-read this again still think its a crack
could be the MAF must be really choked up
if it is the maf
Hope your wrong Roofy.

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[the godfather]

Well it isn't the MAF as I put a new one in this afternoon and it made absolutely no difference. Old one was pretty dam clean I might say.
Looks like its going back to Brunswick's on the weekend.
Fingers crossed there wont be an argument over warranty.

[Sir Roofy]

Hope your wrong Roofy.

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So do I mate but that is how my exhaust was like in the end

[the godfather]

Yeah but was it 5,000km old?

[Sir Roofy]

Yeah but was it 5,000km old?

No it wasn't but there was no indication that anything was wrong
just let go
hope I'm wrong and you get an easy fix

[the godfather]

No it wasn't but there was no indication that anything was wrong
just let go
hope I'm wrong and you get an easy fix

I am starting to think you are right. Either way, the engine is still under warranty. I just hope there is no argument.

[UncleFrosty]

Just put a coupla nissanpatrol.com.au stickers on it... ...might make them more reluctant to argue???

[BigRAWesty]

Ok I'm outta my league here to, haven't had it happen to me..

But i remeber reading (I think) that the crank angle sensor on the front of the engine can cause what your describing.
Sorta makes sence, if your ecu can determine crank angle then timing will be shot.

[the godfather]

I had a bit more of a look today and noticed a fair amount of oil over the top rear of the motor where the red arrow is. Well enough for it to be dripping down the motor.

69546

[dom14]

Hopefully the missing coolant is because the cooling system may not have been burped properly.

That can't be a good thing. Air bubbles circulating and possibly getting stuck in the alloy head water jackets won't produce good results if it goes that way for too long.

[BigRAWesty]

I had a bit more of a look today and noticed a fair amount of oil over the top rear of the motor where the red arrow is. Well enough for it to be dripping down the motor.

69546
That could be an glow plug seal leaking. (Or is it the injector??)
They are a one use thing only so if the old ones have been reused, or even old ones installed roughly you'll get oil spilling up out of the rocker cover.

Do you have a catch can?

If not pull the turbo to IC hose off and check the amount of oil in there.

[the godfather]

Well, she has gone back to Brunswick Diesel now.

[Sir Roofy]

Well, she has gone back to Brunswick Diesel now.

Hope it's a easy fix

[the godfather]

I hope its a free fix. Already got slugged 8.5k to put the motor in in the first place. Can't really afford another hit. To make it worse my job depends on my car working.

[dom14]

I hope its a free fix. Already got slugged 8.5k to put the motor in in the first place. Can't really afford another hit. To make it worse my job depends on my car working.

Spending that sort of money to build a good rig and ending up with mechanical(or electrical issues) is definitely not good.
I've been wondering. You live in WA. Brunswick Diesel is in WA. Why is it expensive to ship it to them?
Even RACV roadside care equivalent in WA should've been able to take care of that for a little cost, if not for free.

[UncleFrosty]

Coupla hundred km (give or take) Perth to Brunswick dom14!!!

[4bye4]

Coupla hundred km (give or take) Perth to Brunswick dom14!!!

165 kilometers, but close to Bunbury so there should be plenty of couriers and trucks on that rout.

[the godfather]

Ended up costing me 380 to get it there. Original quote was 650.
An to add to that, I am a sales rep on commission. So I am broke at the moment.
On the up side work lent me an SS Ute with a 350 Chev in it :bananadancing:

[dom14]

Coupla hundred km (give or take) Perth to Brunswick dom14!!!

In Victoria, RACV Total care covers 100km towing and even more in country areas. I reckon with such a deal, you can pretty much cover the most cost of towing if not all.

[dom14]

Ended up costing me 380 to get it there. Original quote was 650.
An to add to that, I am a sales rep on commission. So I am broke at the moment.
On the up side work lent me an SS Ute with a 350 Chev in it :bananadancing:

Get a roadside assitance deal with an RACV equivalent in WA. It's money well spent, especially in 4WD'ing.

[Clunk]

lets hope they get it sorted and don't try and charge you for it mate......... if it's something they did or didn't do, then I'd be asking for the freight money back too

[the godfather]

Okay, I have had an update from Brunswick on my motor.
For some reason (Unknown) the engine has over boosted.
Not cause by the MAF.
This has cause the head gasket to blow between two cylinders.
Bottom end is fine, nothing wrong down there.
So the engine is coming out, head getting faced or replaced.
Dawes valve getting fitted, and EGR getting blocked.
Is this warranty?
Yes and no.
Worst case scenario is 5k, which Brunswick are willing to split 50/50 with me. So 2.5k my cost.

[4bye4]

Good news that its recoverable mate. About the 50/50 bit hmmm! i don't know what discussions were held between you and Brunswck re the original motor, but seems a of a short life for a recon motor. Not knowing the full story it's hard to tell if its fare or not, but hopefully Brunswick realise that a lot of people read these forums and will have a think if they have a similar problem. I have always said that it is not only how good a job a company does, its how they react when it all turns to crap. In my own engineering business I have had to bite the bullet a couple of times when things went south and we couldn't identify a customer/operator error. I have to say that only happend twice in 25 years operating, but never the less i coughed up and fixed things at no cost to the customer other than freight.
Just my opinion.

[the godfather]

I am sure I will be discussing more when it come time.

[dom14]

I am sure I will be discussing more when it come time.

Discuss it beforehand. If there's no operator error(as 4bye4 explained above) the right thing for the repairer is to fix it at no cost.
It's still gonna cost you anyway. The transport cost, time, the hassle of having to deal with the failure of newly reconditioned engine's failure, loss of work due to that, etc etc is costing you. If the "boost spiking" has nothing to do with the work they did on the engine, then they need to be able to explain it that it's not their fault.

[dom14]

Okay, I have had an update from Brunswick on my motor.
For some reason (Unknown) the engine has over boosted.
Not cause by the MAF.
This has cause the head gasket to blow between two cylinders.
Bottom end is fine, nothing wrong down there.
So the engine is coming out, head getting faced or replaced.
Dawes valve getting fitted, and EGR getting blocked.
Is this warranty?
Yes and no.
Worst case scenario is 5k, which Brunswick are willing to split 50/50 with me. So 2.5k my cost.

Onus is on the repairer to ensure boost related components are finely tuned and checked, so the newly reconditioned engine doesn't end up getting blown less than 5000km after the job, and end up going back to them with more headaches. Repairer/mechanic is the expert, not you.
So, based on the information given, it is a warranty issue, 'cos the part that is blown is a part they repaired.(Newly installed head or head gasket blows & no recognizable operator error was discovered)
If you've had discussed to cut corners with the repairer during the engine rebuild job, then the warranty conditions were compromised. Something like that happened to me while ago, where I cut corners by not pressure testing a cylinder head with a head rebuilder & he managed to miss a visually obvious crack by missing to repair the crack. Head rebuilder was happy to repair the crack again and resurface the head for me in my case, 'cos it was visually obvious crack(the excuse of no pressure test was done wasn't a strong argument in that case). The downside for me was the head getting machined again meant the combustion chamber compression going tad higher than for my liking. I decided not to resurface the head & opted for an off the shelf chemical solution, 'cos I believed the crack wasn't that deep. The head is still going good after four and half years, and I learnt my lesson not to cut corners with important things, even when the finances are tough.

[4bye4]

Any news on this? the godfather

[the godfather]

Any news on this? the godfather

Mo mews. No resolution yet really.
I spoke tot hem mid week and they said 3 weeks before I see it again :(

[4bye4]

Mo mews. No resolution yet really.
I spoke tot hem mid week and they said 3 weeks before I see it again :(

:animierte-smilies-f :sterb003:

[Sir Roofy]

That sucks big time
keep an eye on it don't let them
bluff you

[dom14]

Mo mews. No resolution yet really.
I spoke tot hem mid week and they said 3 weeks before I see it again :(

And they want 2.5k for fixing it, right?

[the godfather]

2.5k worst case scenario.

[mudnut]

So they checked the top block as well as the head to see if they weren't cause of the problem?

[the godfather]

I am not sure. I know they took the engine right out. Greg (@ Brunswick) said he will call me when they know exactly what is going on.
I will probably call him mid week.

[4bye4]

Keep us posted mate - doesn't smell good to me. Over boosting happens for a reason, not just for no reason at all. Its got to be something they did or didn't do when doing up the motor, or something you did or didn't do. Its really up to them to explain why their recently rebuilt motor failed. If they insist on this unknown reason bit, how long is the repaired motor going to last before it blows up for some unknown reason? The number if years they have being doing diesels, they should know what to look for and unknown reason is just not good enough. Checked out their stand at the 4x4 show today and they advertise plenty of experience and expertise.

[the godfather]

They have a very good reputation of dont the right thing. Not sure they would intentionally do the wrong thing. They rely on their name for work. And at least half of it is Nissan's.

[the godfather]

Update: Okay, the patrol has now been fixed. I am yet to pick it up, But not only have they refused to cover more on warranty, but they also put the price up to $3000.00
They have replaced the head with a new one, and fitted a dawes valve as well.
I have spoken to consumer affairs and to get any better a result will require civil action, at a cost of more than 3k.
So in reality, I lose.

[4bye4]

So what was done to the original head, the one that failed. Was it tested before the rebuild and if so by who. If it wasn't tested did they warn you that the motor had been rebuilt with an untested head. When this happened a couple of weeks back, you posted that they said the motor had overboosted. Did the overboost cause the head to fail?? or was that incorrect?? What caused the overboost??
When I need a new motor or any work done I will have to think twice about using them.
Just another note, why did consumer affairs say you would need civil action. Do they think it is not a straight forward issue?

[macca]

The problem will be proof of what happened and why, that has to be understandable and rock solid with clear cut processes leading to the outcome.
Any questions or variables to the evidence offered and your case is cut off at the knees.
It could have been this or that and there goes your case.

Years ago I had a Ford diesel work van that a local dealer reconditioned the motor, it failed and it turned out to be a broken bottom ring.
At the time Ford had lifetime warrantee on their repairs but the fine print said it only covered lubricated parts.
Ford said a ring was not lubricated!
The head of mechanics at our local TAFE was an acquaintance, I spoke to him about it.
He wrote a letter quoting Fords own training manuals how a bottom ring picks up oil, lubricates the bore and scavenges the oil off the bore during the pistons travel.
Ford could not dispute it was in fact covered in oil to do its job therefore lubricated and approved payment.
I could not have done that on my own.

Get your ducks in a row and if you are in the right you may well be reimbursed, good luck mate.

[Cuppa]

At the very least I think you should expect Brunswick to put in writing to you what they believe occurred, & what they believe to be the cause & why they think it is not covered by their warranty. Real words not 'whitewash words'.

If they are not prepared to do this in good faith then it is a very poor look for Brunswick & a warning to potential future customers.

[mudnut]

What was the original warranty for the reco?

[rainsey]

Sorry, not defending them but they do state ( i think ) 3 months or 5000 km on second hand ZD30 engines.

Unless they rip them open and refurb the engine, it would be pretty hard to qualify the status of the engine. Again, not defending BD but the engines they have are coming out of customers who have done V8 upgrades. They have no idea what the engine has been through.

Its sort of a lottery with second hand engines. Would I be pissed off, yes, could I blame them, probably not.

Kindest Regards

Rainsey.





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[rainsey]

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[Cuppa]

Ah, I mistakenly thought the motor was a Brunswick rebuild. I didn’t realise it was just a second hand motor. It does rather muddy the waters so my previous post should be discounted. We all take a punt on secondhand motors.

[rainsey]

Ah, I mistakenly thought the motor was a Brunswick rebuild. I didn’t realise it was just a second hand motor. It does rather muddy the waters so my previous post should be discounted. We all take a punt on secondhand motors.

Im only guessing at a second hand motor. Didn't not think Brunswick refurb'd ZD30's.



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[Rumcajs]

Okay, I have had an update from Brunswick on my motor.
For some reason (Unknown) the engine has over boosted.
Not cause by the MAF.
This has cause the head gasket to blow between two cylinders.
Bottom end is fine, nothing wrong down there.
So the engine is coming out, head getting faced or replaced.
Dawes valve getting fitted, and EGR getting blocked.
Is this warranty?
Yes and no.
Worst case scenario is 5k, which Brunswick are willing to split 50/50 with me. So 2.5k my cost.

Over-boosting to 25 psi shouldn't cause what happened, someone is pulling your leg. They're not being honest and I'm sure that they're just covering up their arses telling you a tall tale so you cough up for the repair. ZD30 over-boosting is also well know phenomenon and engine control system has a built in protection meaning limp where you loose accelerator pedal and boost is limited to 10 psi until you reset (releasing pedal). For the control system not knowing the MAF would have to be really faulty as on GU series 4 the limps occur very quickly indeed once your boost goes past 18 psi and you keep going it will limp or fuel cut.

What they sold you is a second hand ZD30 motor with questionable history. BTW ZD30 Di never ever loose bottom end, that is built like a tank, it is the top end which is weak and if it was just a head gasket they wouldn't be pulling motor out. Ask them to show you the head gasket...although they will probably wiggle out of that one too.

What probably happened is that one of the pistons burned the hole in them which is not over-boosting but over-fuelling, that happens without warning or preceding symptoms and yes engine is usually running rough and or can be driven if the hole or crack is not extreme. The pistons are the weakest link in the whole scenario.

Fitting Dawes valve and blocking EGR is not a fix alone. Indeed I recommend Tillix valve instead ( it doesn't suffer from boost bounce effect as much) and also a needle valve to control turbo spool up time.

Do you have boost and EGT gauges installed? Lugging that motor in 5th gear or overdrive full throttle pedal will see EGTs going to 500°C + and starting to slowly ruining the pistons consequentially/incrementally.....

Did you know that glow plugs system contributes greatly to these motors failing? Having 5 mins glow time after engine is running is utter lunacy!

Indeed,modding glow circuit to reduce/limit glow time is a must.

Consider installing catch can as well.

In the end any ZD30 which did not have all the mods done prior being fired up for the first time is just a grenade set to go off once the circumstances align right.
Regards

[the godfather]

Wow, so many questions.
Okay Brunswick have given me a comprehensive list of the work done, including costs. All up cost came to 7k.
The warranty was for 3 months or 10,000km, and excludes labour. This is in the terms and conditions.
They have offered me the part that have been taken off to inspect when I pick up the car. Or course who knows if they where mine or not?
Yes I have a boost and EGT gauge.
No they haven't really offered a reason as to why it happened other than over boost. According to my guage it hit 28PSI. The gauge lists the past highest spike.
Dawes valve is fitted and currently set to 14PSI (this is what they recommend).
EGR is blocked.
No catch can yet.
Warrant given on the repairs is 6 month or 10,ooo km.

Am I happy with the cost? No, of course not.
Will I be happy to get it back? Yes. I love that vehicle. Despite this it has served me well.

In regards to Civil action: anything that isnt criminal is civil action. So I would need to pursue it myself. I am fine with that....except, small claims opt out at $2,000, so the cost would be mine. Legal proceeding will be around $5,000...So no real point of throwing money away.

The real question is: Do I keep it?

[Rumcajs]

Honestly for 7 grand or around there you could get Nissan brand new long motor (no IP pump or turbo), anyway can I ask why you had the engine replaced with Brunswick sourced unit in the first place?

To ponder whether to keep it or not is a dilemma I'd personally not wanting to face either. At the end of the day it depends how much do you want to sink to this venture because something tells me it ain't over yet. First instinct would be to cut the loses and be done.

Look I hate mine as a daily driver full stop. Under powered fuel guzzling slow behemoth which needs to be handled with care otherwise it breaks but I do love it in off road scenarios though, but question of reliability is always not far from my mind when going off beaten track.....

Regards

[the godfather]

I went with Brunswick because they had the engine and could fit it immediately. I use the beast for work so I had to get it done.
Normally I would have fitted it myself. But I didn't have time.
Also they have a good name.....did have I should say.
A new motor from Nissan is as you say only 7k, but unless you fit new IP and component you void warranty. Which to start is only 20,000km.

[Throbbinhood]

Take it to small claims for 2000 of the 3000 if you think you have a case. Better to be 1k out of pocket than 3k.

[4bye4]

i am interested to know was it a BD refurbished or rebuilt motor or a second hand as is where is motor? do you know what year the motor is?

[Ben-e-boy]

Take it to small claims for 2000 of the 3000 if you think you have a case. Better to be 1k out of pocket than 3k.

Go to fair trading instead. Thats why they are there

[the godfather]

True, I didn't even think of that.

[the godfather]

i am interested to know was it a BD refurbished or rebuilt motor or a second hand as is where is motor? do you know what year the motor is?

Motor is a 2005

[Rumcajs]

Its a false economy sometimes, I guess we are all guilty of doing it. IMHO once mine blows and I decide to keep it and not engine convert to some real diesel unit then I'd be getting long motor and have IP rebuild as well with brand new injectors.

Indeed I'm partial to believe that one of the reasons for over-fuelling is/are the injectors, those horrible dual spring Bosch units (pre injection capable) which leak/dribble fuel when worn.


I still think BD's second attempt at your car is just the "Bandaid" to get rid off it ASAP. You are well advised to view it as such and perhaps get rid of it yourself or fix it properly if you want to keep it but who would now? Its called do it right first time.....

Anyway if this repair is approx 7 grand + previous install in not too far similar dollars wouldn't you be better off already with brand new long motor and recon IP and injectors set.

There is no cheap way to fix ZD30 and any short cut you make will bite you back again.

Sorry to break it this way but it needs to be looked at from this angle too.

I wish you good luck and hopefully you will succeed in getting back some of the monies you had forked out for this unfortunate and unpleasant experience.

Regards

[the godfather]

In hindsight I would have been better off doing the job myself from the start. As usual Mechanics have proven to be useless.
alas hindsight is exactly that.
As for keeping it, i am not.
Do I still love Patrols, yes I do.
But the reality is I need my car for work, and running a Patrol all day, 5 days a week is not practical.
So I will be trading it in on a small, 4 cylinder, newer vehicle.
Yes I will make a loss, but in the long term I will be better off.
When my bank account recovers I will revisit my outback adventures.

[dom14]

In hindsight I would have been better off doing the job myself from the start. As usual Mechanics have proven to be useless.
alas hindsight is exactly that.
As for keeping it, i am not.
Do I still love Patrols, yes I do.
But the reality is I need my car for work, and running a Patrol all day, 5 days a week is not practical.
So I will be trading it in on a small, 4 cylinder, newer vehicle.
Yes I will make a loss, but in the long term I will be better off.
When my bank account recovers I will revisit my outback adventures.

Combining 4WD as a tourer and a commuter is a hard ask for most of us IMO.
I tend to stick with public transport and a bike for getting around.
If a car is necessary, there always are small, fuel efficient units, so maintaining two cars can even be cheaper
than wearing out a big 4WD as commuter.
4WDs are always more expensive to maintain. Learning some stuff to DIY is the only answer in my case.
I decided few years ago, I can either learnt to DIY or stick with cycling. I decided to become a DIYer, so I can keep the
troll.
After reading a lot of disappointing stories from the guys of the forum, I thought ZD30's are not a good choice, unless they are the
latest ones. I think sticking with old school TD42 & RD28 is safer for diesels. I think many guy's bank accounts and credit cards have taken a hard hit from those earlier ZD30's.

Personally I prefer RD28's. That 'cos I can put a one in my RB30 without having to muck around with the gearbox(afaik). :)

[the godfather]

Looks like I sold it. Will know before the day is out.

[Touses]

Looks like I sold it. Will know before the day is out.

Shame brother, at least the aggro will ease!

[the godfather]

Deal is done. Delivery Monday. How will I survive without my 4WD.

[dom14]

Deal is done. Delivery Monday. How will I survive without my 4WD.

You buy another one with the money.

[89gqpatrol4x4]

Get a 4.2 this time or maybe a 4,8! Sometimes I think I should have got s 4.8. With all the luxury features

[dom14]

Get a 4.2 this time or maybe a 4,8! Sometimes I think I should have got s 4.8. With all the luxury features

What are the luxury features the 4.8 came with?
I hope the attractive fuel economy isn't one of the luxuries! ;) :D

[dom14]

Deal is done. Delivery Monday. How will I survive without my 4WD.

Wait...you didn't give it away, did you?! :)

[Throbbinhood]

What are the luxury features the 4.8 came with?
I hope the attractive fuel economy isn't one of the luxuries! ;) :D

My mates tb48 gets similar economy to my rb30, but with a whole lot more power :(

[mudnut]

Imagine a 4.8 in a Q!!

[dom14]

My mates tb48 gets similar economy to my rb30, but with a whole lot more power :(

What is the economy of your RB30 mate?

[Throbbinhood]

What is the economy of your RB30 mate?

15-16L/100km on 35's with winch, bar, 200kg of tools etc.

[dom14]

15-16L/100km on 35's with winch, bar, 200kg of tools etc.

Ok, cool. That's roughly just over 6km/L.

If TB48 produces the same fuel economy then I've heard wrong stories about it.

Anybody has any figures on TB48 on LPG?

If TB48 produces 6km/L, then by the looks of it, having TB48 is a far better investment than a petrol GQ, 'cos repair bills can hopefully be slightly less as well?!! Or is that wishful thinking?

[mudnut]

The small engine is always struggling to lug the vehicle around, where as the larger engine does not require the right foot on the pedal all the time.

[dom14]

The small engine is always struggling to lug the vehicle around, where as the larger engine does not require the right foot on the pedal all the time.

Make we wonder why I bought the RB30 Patrol. It wasn't that cheap to buy & maintain, comparing to GUs.
One of the reasons at that time was the belief RB30 Patrol being good with both petrol & LPG comparing to other ones.
Being carby was another reason(carby fetish :) )

But, seriously, all these times, I thought GUs are petrol guzzlers, comparing to RB30 GQs, particularly TB45's & 48's!!!
And I didn't think they were good with LPG either.

Alatis007(George) said to me back in 2013 6km/L petrol economy in mine(highway) was much better than his GU4.5.

Now, hearing GU 4.8 producing the same fuel economy as GQ RB30 is some new news to me with a surprise.

[mudnut]

I bought mine for the simplicity of it. Would I get another RB30? Probably not, as I don't really like timing belts.

[rainsey]

15-16L/100km on 35's with winch, bar, 200kg of tools etc.

Hmm... get that or better with the 6.5. Am running 33's though.


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[dom14]

I bought mine for the simplicity of it. Would I get another RB30? Probably not, as I don't really like timing belts.

Me too, but not so simple when I had to do a fair bit of backyard mechanic work on the troll to keep it going, which I'm not complaining about at all. It's good to know the stuff that I've learnt over last couple of years or so.
However, if the vehicle originally came with EFI, I wouldn't have wanted go out of my way to search & pick a carby one though.

RB30 timing belt job isn't that bad IMO. It's a fairly quick and less hassle job comparing to many front wheel driven Japanese cars.
Timing belt is fairly cheap as well, so I changed mine, even though the old one looked pretty perfect.

The reason I wouldn't wanna get another RB30 is 'cos of hearing that a 4.8 GU has the same fuel economy as RB30.
Information I've been storing in my head about petrol GU's was complete opposite.

[the godfather]

Wait...you didn't give it away, did you?! :)

Did I get what I want ? No.
Did I get more than I expected? Yes.
Did I recover my costs? Yes, and some.
For now I will remain Patrol-less.
At least until I repay some debt and recover from the last 2 months of outward flowing cash.
Might wait and see what they do with the Nissan Mitsi take over. What beast will be birthed?
A Pajol?
A Patero?
A Patrolero?
A Pajerol?
Problem is, for the last 20 uyears I have been calling Pajeros: Vageros or Pajinas.

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Did I get what I want ? No.
Did I get more than I expected? Yes.
Did I recover my costs? Yes, and some.
For now I will remain Patrol-less.
At least until I repay some debt and recover from the last 2 months of outward flowing cash.
Might wait and see what they do with the Nissan Mitsi take over. What beast will be birthed?
A Pajol?
A Patero?
A Patrolero?
A Pajerol?
Problem is, for the last 20 uyears I have been calling Pajeros: Vageros or Pajinas.

I was confused for a fraction of a second, then of course you were making sense. :)

I've never touched Pajeros unless it's given to me for free including free drop off. :)
I've got no idea Missthebusy is being sold to Nissan.
Lets hope Nissan don't get infected by the deadly degenerating bug. :D