Fund Raiser AB blew his engine

[Touses]

Where do you stand on dream catchers?

>>>tappin from tassie

At the foot of your bed of course!
Wrong place for 'em by the way.

[AB]

Can anyone confirm that the internals of a 1994 silver top are the same as an 88-93?

I might of found something but its out of a 94, It's silver top and I heard stories of mixed internals on a 94 and 95 models.

Can anyone help me???

[Rossco]

Ooh, can't help but hope it's all good. . .

[AB]

Ooh, can't help but hope it's all good. . . No, sounded very dodgy actually...lol...bugger!!!

Still keen to find out above answer though if anyone knows?

[Ben-e-boy]

Can anyone confirm that the internals of a 1994 silver top are the same as an 88-93?

I might of found something but its out of a 94, It's silver top and I heard stories of mixed internals on a 94 and 95 models.

Can anyone help me???

The big change was August 95. What do you actually want to know

[Rossco]

No, sounded very dodgy actually...lol...bugger!!!

Still keen to find out above answer though if anyone knows?
Yeah bugger :(

[nissannewby]

No, sounded very dodgy actually...lol...bugger!!!

Still keen to find out above answer though if anyone knows?

Should be fine.

[AB]

The big change was August 95. What do you actually want to know Cheers mate I just heard the 94 silver was an iffy year with some na blacktop pistons and conrods so wasn't sure if that was true or not?

[timbar]

Cheers mate I just heard the 94 silver was an iffy year with some na blacktop pistons and conrods so wasn't sure if that was true or not?

The black top was lightened for better economy and more power and was also weakened in the same process best go the silver top is a stronger motor !! According to what I have read !!


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[AB]

The black top was lightened for better economy and more power and was also weakened in the same process best go the silver top is a stronger motor !! According to what I have read !!


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Thanks Timbar, yeah I am aware of all that, I just read somewhere the silver top in 94 potentially had that too.

[Sir Roofy]

Ahhh so the 4.2s arnt bomb proof
seems like the older ones could be
like the 3lts of the same vintage
you just never know till you
start researching and gets
more intriguing as you dig
deeper

[Winnie]

The blacktop is still a strong engine. Benny pushed on his pretty hard and I don't think it ever gave him troubles?

[AB]

Nah, nothing at all wrong with the NA black top at all Roofy, very reliable engine.

[MudRunnerTD]

Sir Roofy, nah all good mate, the TD42 is a Solid Engine, solid platform. Silver Top or Black top they are tough as guts.......... They are tuned to 65rwkw out of the factory. The TD42Ti is about 70rwkw and 9psi of boost. With just a Dyno run i have mine tuned to about 92rwkw and 15psi and its done 200,000kms there. good for another 500,000kms there too.

If you look around Facebook you will fine all this chatter about "Kettles" and snapping Cranks. Now we are talking about guys pushing 150rwkw and above or badly tuned, there is a big group of young guys chasing big numbers beyond 200rwkw that are snapping cranks. AB had 200rwkw and a bloody strong engine. if the cause was hydraulic lock from trapped oil then it would have happened at 100rwkw too.

Unfortunately the ZD has a reputation of going bang regardless of its treatment. Don't worry Toyota has exactly the same bloody problem but no-one is talking about it like the ZD.

For a Farm Tractor engine the TD42 is a Beast mate.

[jay see]

Sir Roofy, nah all good mate, the TD42 is a Solid Engine, solid platform. Silver Top or Black top they are tough as guts.......... They are tuned to 65rwkw out of the factory. The TD42Ti is about 70rwkw and 9psi of boost. With just a Dyno run i have mine tuned to about 92rwkw and 15psi and its done 200,000kms there. good for another 500,000kms there too.

If you look around Facebook you will fine all this chatter about "Kettles" and snapping Cranks. Now we are talking about guys pushing 150rwkw and above or badly tuned, there is a big group of young guys chasing big numbers beyond 200rwkw that are snapping cranks. AB had 200rwkw and a bloody strong engine. if the cause was hydraulic lock from trapped oil then it would have happened at 100rwkw too.

Unfortunately the ZD has a reputation of going bang regardless of its treatment. Don't worry Toyota has exactly the same bloody problem but no-one is talking about it like the ZD.

For a Farm Tractor engine the TD42 is a Beast mate.
True true on the oyta engines from first hand experience. 😥

[AB]

Sir Roofy, nah all good mate, the TD42 is a Solid Engine, solid platform. Silver Top or Black top they are tough as guts.......... They are tuned to 65rwkw out of the factory. The TD42Ti is about 70rwkw and 9psi of boost. With just a Dyno run i have mine tuned to about 92rwkw and 15psi and its done 200,000kms there. good for another 500,000kms there too. If you look around Facebook you will fine all this chatter about "Kettles" and snapping Cranks. Now we are talking about guys pushing 150rwkw and above or badly tuned, there is a big group of young guys chasing big numbers beyond 200rwkw that are snapping cranks. AB had 200rwkw and a bloody strong engine. if the cause was hydraulic lock from trapped oil then it would have happened at 100rwkw too. Unfortunately the ZD has a reputation of going bang regardless of its treatment. Don't worry Toyota has exactly the same bloody problem but no-one is talking about it like the ZD. For a Farm Tractor engine the TD42 is a Beast mate. I have heard though that you shouldn't push a black top NA engine over 15 psi.

This was a between era of a dedicated NA engine and the Pistons and conrods whilst are still strong are somewhat lightened for a dedicated roll out non turbo.

Happy to be questioned on this though?

[MudRunnerTD]

I have heard though that you shouldn't push a black top NA engine over 15 psi.

This was a between era of a dedicated NA engine and the Pistons and conrods whilst are still strong are somewhat lightened for a dedicated roll out non turbo.

Happy to be questioned on this though?

Yeah I eng disagree at all I was just checking mms ting is n the question about the reliability of the TD42.

[AB]

Yeah I eng disagree at all I was just checking mms ting is n the question about the reliability of the TD42. What the?....

[nissannewby]

I have heard though that you shouldn't push a black top NA engine over 15 psi.

This was a between era of a dedicated NA engine and the Pistons and conrods whilst are still strong are somewhat lightened for a dedicated roll out non turbo.

Happy to be questioned on this though?

The pistons were lighter that was about it. Cranks seem to be the same and apart from little end differences rods arent any weaker. I put one together that ran 23psi and just over 200rwhp. it has done about 30,000km without issue.

[AB]

The pistons were lighter that was about it. Cranks seem to be the same and apart from little end differences rods arent any weaker. I put one together that ran 23psi and just over 200rwhp. it has done about 30,000km without issue. Cheers mate, same crank as silver or were they td42t cranks?

[nissannewby]

Cheers mate, same crank as silver or were they td42t cranks?

The ones I have had apart far enough to see have all had the larger spigot on the flywheel end. So more like the T engine.

[AB]

The pistons were lighter that was about it. Cranks seem to be the same and apart from little end differences rods arent any weaker. I put one together that ran 23psi and just over 200rwhp. it has done about 30,000km without issue. Little end differences in conrods?

[nissannewby]

Little end differences in conrods?

There are 28mm and 30mm gudgeon pins. So obviously the little end (piston end) will be different. This seems to be more of a disassemble to know. Although I think the silvertop maye have 28mm gudgeons and the blacktop and NA have 30mm gudgeons. Ben-e did note some of this is in his engine build thread Im pretty sure.

[Kimbo63]

Good little read here ab
http://www.motoring.com.au/buying-a-used-nissan-patrol-1988-2010-22866/

[Ben-e-boy]

The easiest was to tell a true silvertop block (if it is dismantled obviously) the ports for the lifters. Silvertops have 25mm lifters, NA blacktop and T have 27mm.

My 96 blacktop had the 30mm gudgeons. The sludged pre Aug 95 blacktop I was offered for replacement of my POS pile of scrap was a silvertop with a black rocker cover. 28mm pins, 25mm lifters.

The article above saying black tops are unsuitable for turboing is nothing but an opinion based on a guess.

Yes. I did crack 3 pistons, 2,4 and 6. All originating from the centre of the swirl chamber, cracking perpendicular to the gudgeon pin. I cannot see the cracks on the under side of the crown. I haven't done a proper crack check though and likely wont. I'll add that I was turning a 30 psi boost gauge pretty much back around to zero,

I didn't strip the motor because of the cracked pistons, it was always going to happen. I just was not surprised when I found them.

[AB]

Might have found something folks!!!

I'll let you know tomorrow!

Excitement!

[jack]

Fingers crossed for you AB

[Maxhead]

Might have found something folks!!!

I'll let you know tomorrow!

Excitement!

Finally he converted to a 3L...lol.

Dazz another in the bank

[AB]

Finally he converted to a 3L...lol. Dazz another in the bank Stop giving me money!!!!!!!!!

[MB]

Might have found something folks!!! I'll let you know tomorrow! Excitement!
Please say you haven't pilfered the Chev in my absence, jealousy is a curse ;-)

[AB]

Please say you haven't pilfered the Chev in my absence, jealousy is a curse ;-) We parted it out whilst you're in Perth but we got you a sweet ride to roll down the hill to Yarra Glen!

[nissannewby]

Please say you haven't pilfered the Chev in my absence, jealousy is a curse ;-)

Did he tell you my suggestion?

[MB]

Nope.......?

[nissannewby]

Nope.......?

I wanted to talk you into a 6.5 chev or 6.6 duramax conversion for your td42t powered wagon so he could have the td42 lol

[MB]

GOLD, I like it :-)
Unfortunately the family wagon stays as it is, too damn good as is, ye ol faithful ;-)

[MudRunnerTD]

Did someone say Duramax!!

[Sprock]

Did someone say Duramax!!
Hahaha Duramax 💪🏼

[Avo]

Please say you haven't pilfered the Chev in my absence, jealousy is a curse ;-)

brotherly love...

[Rossco]

Might have found something folks!!!

I'll let you know tomorrow!

Excitement!
TB42 on gas ☺ . . .

[Maxhead]

Did someone say Duramax!!

It's on!!!!

[AB]

TB42 on gas ? . . . Yep 400,000km on the engine and badly tuned, can't wait!!!

[Rossco]

Yep 400,000km on the engine and badly tuned, can't wait!!!
Reliability here we come ! ! . . .

[nissannewby]

Yep 400,000km on the engine and badly tuned, can't wait!!!

Rip the little Kubota out of the little kanga loader you have lol

[Rossco]

Any new news on the mystery engine yet? . . .

[Clunk]

Any new news on the mystery engine yet? . . .
It's an RD28

[Touses]

It's an RD28

Nah, I heard it's an RB30, even better eh!

[AB]

Greetings friends!!!

First off, from the bottom of my heart a million thank you's to those who donated money, I really do appreciate the generosity of the people we have here!

I have just scored a low km TD42Ti from an 04 GU long motor off Patrolapart.

Patrolapart have helped me out enormously with this in which I will be putting a little sponsor banner up for them for a period of time to say thanks!

The rest will be going on my house but without you lot I wouldn't have a hope in hell in getting another reliable engine back in my car.

Just waiting on finance to clear and will hopefully pick it up next week for the journey of putting everything back together and getting back on the road again!

I am going to start a new thread to help others as well in putting a TD42T engine into a GQ.

There's a few little differences and things I need to know as well so I'll put up a detailed thread with questions and hopefully others can help out and get this party started!!!

Thank you, you're all awesome and Clunk, you're not a bad bloke either! ;)

[taslucas]

Yep 400,000km on the engine and badly tuned, can't wait!!!
Hey I got one of those!

Reliability here we come ! ! . . .
And it's still going!


Great to hear about the new donkeroo Andy! Onwards and upwards!

>>>tappin from tassie

[Winnie]

Awesome news AB! I can't wait to see the big blue beast back in the bush.

[lucus30]

Nice mate I hope you enjoy it. Yay!!!! Another donk party

Probably won't be able to come to eat my share of pizza though....



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[Woof]

Great news mate

[MudRunnerTD]

Well guys i have just transferred $2,346 to AB as a contribution from our generous membership to supporting the good man in getting back on the road. A huge thanks to all of you, some very generous people here.

Whether you gave a little or a Lot, it really is the thought and effort that counts the most. AB will not be given a list of contributors, its just from The Forum. Well Done everyone.

AB is truly Humbled by all this. Goes to the Character of the Man.

[Rossco]

Hey I got one of those!

And it's still going!


Great to hear about the new donkeroo Andy! Onwards and upwards!

>>>tappin from tassie
Sorry lucus, knew if offend someone haha . . .

[Clunk]

good news Grand Poobaaaa, now just don't go fucking this one up too!!!! ;)

[mudski]

Black top eh! First part to the GQ to GU conversion done!

[Sir Roofy]

Donk party #2 coming up Doggy wont be so far this time
and warmer

[AB]

Black top eh! First part to the GQ to GU conversion done! The silver top rocker cover is going on...lol

[Rossco]

can't wait to see the big blue beast back in the bush.

Lovely piece of alliteration there winnie☺. . .

So you gonna keep the black rocker cover or put the silver one on for the genuine look?

[Rossco]

Edit : you beat me to it lol !!

[mudski]

The silver top rocker cover is going on...lol

But now the GQ has a GU heart. Lol.:smiley_thumbs_up: Whats next? A ZD conversion? Lol.

[Hodge]

I have just come back from SA fixing their shit power, and transferred some $ this morning Darren.
Should hit you tomorrow then send that to AB as well. Apologies for the delay but been interstate lately.... Sorry for the delay!
Good news as well on the motor I guess !

[Woof]

Donk party #2 coming up Doggy wont be so far this time
and warmer

Yeah Roofy, should be leaving Perth in the next few weeks mate

[Sir Roofy]

Be good to catch up again

[AB]

Yeah Roofy, should be leaving Perth in the next few weeks mate Looks like I have a deadline then ;)

[jay see]

Nice mate I hope you enjoy it. Yay!!!! Another donk party

Probably won't be able to come to eat my share of pizza though....



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Might be in the same boat.😥

[lucus30]

Well guys i have just transferred $2,346 to AB as a contribution from our generous membership to supporting the good man in getting back on the road. A huge thanks to all of you, some very generous people here.

Whether you gave a little or a Lot, it really is the thought and effort that counts the most. AB will not be given a list of contributors, its just from The Forum. Well Done everyone.

AB is truly Humbled by all this. Goes to the Character of the Man.
Tell him I gave him $2 to show how much of a good bloke I think he is

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[TPC]

I have just come back from SA fixing their shit power
Does that mean we can blame you when we have our next power failure?

[taslucas]

Sorry lucus, knew if offend someone haha . . .
Nah she's a good thing mate, all rods and pistons still exactly where they're ment to be!

>>>tappin from tassie

[taslucas]

Well guys i have just transferred $2,346 to AB as a contribution from our generous membership to supporting the good man in getting back on the road. A huge thanks to all of you, some very generous people here.

Whether you gave a little or a Lot, it really is the thought and effort that counts the most. AB will not be given a list of contributors, its just from The Forum. Well Done everyone.

AB is truly Humbled by all this. Goes to the Character of the Man.
So who contributed the other $346?

>>>tappin from tassie

[BigRAWesty]

Awesome news Andy.
Fingers crossed it's a smooth graft..

[Stropp]

Tell him I gave him $2 to show how much of a good bloke I think he is

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gee i got the account number and withdrew $4.50 :)

[Stropp]

Looks like I have a deadline then ;)


yes i have factored in a donk party in melbourne prior to xmas, so hurry up. im taking a 5 day break this time :) and gonna get a camper van to do some tourist shit.

[Avo]

looks like i have a deadline then ;)

yeah well ya dont have long to live with that tik bite mate

[MudRunnerTD]

Well i transferred another $600 over to AB today to help pay for Hoses and belts and parts etc. Thats an impressive $2,946 in total from the Forum. Really proud of our community. Thank you to everyone.

[BigRAWesty]

Well i transferred another $600 over to AB today to help pay for Hoses and belts and parts etc. Thats an impressive $2,946 in total from the Forum. Really proud of our community. Thank you to everyone.
Sorry mate but payment made..
That'll get us over $3g

[AB]

Thanks everyone and thanks Westy.

It's amazing how much extra things I now need as they crop up so again, very much appreciated but please, no more folks!

[Ben-e-boy]

Thanks everyone and thanks Westy.

It's amazing how much extra things I now need as they crop up so again, very much appreciated but please, no more folks!

What else do you need, I have a small stockpile of bits and pieces.

[AB]

What else do you need, I have a small stockpile of bits and pieces. Thanks Benny, appreciate it!!

This weekend is cleaning up the block and bolting things on so I'll have a look.

You don't happen to have a vac pump to suit the td42t by chance or a dipstick...lol

Let me start to put things on and see what crops up.

I printed out all torque specs but I didn't find one for the pulley on the water pump?

[Plasnart]

Thanks Benny, appreciate it!!

This weekend is cleaning up the block and bolting things on so I'll have a look.

You don't happen to have a vac pump to suit the td42t by chance or a dipstick...lol

Let me start to put things on and see what crops up.

I printed out all torque specs but I didn't find one for the pulley on the water pump?

The new donk doesn't have a dipstick??

[AB]

The new donk doesn't have a dipstick?? Are you coming?

[Clunk]

The new donk doesn't have a dipstick??
It does but AB doesnt fit in that little hole

[Plasnart]

Are you coming?

Ho Ho Ho!! Comedian.

[Ben-e-boy]

Thanks Benny, appreciate it!!

This weekend is cleaning up the block and bolting things on so I'll have a look.

You don't happen to have a vac pump to suit the td42t by chance or a dipstick...lol

Let me start to put things on and see what crops up.

I printed out all torque specs but I didn't find one for the pulley on the water pump?

Water pump retaining bolts 16-21Nm

Water pump retaining nuts 30-41Nm

Thermostat housing bolts 16-21Nm

I might have a spare vac pump with some T motor stuff I bought of Mat. If I don't have it Mat does. I also have the one off my motor, which is spare now anyway

What wrong with the silvertop dipstick

[AB]

Water pump retaining bolts 16-21Nm Water pump retaining nuts 30-41Nm Thermostat housing bolts 16-21Nm I might have a spare vac pump with some T motor stuff I bought of Mat. If I don't have it Mat does. I also have the one off my motor, which is spare now anyway What wrong with the silvertop dipstick Thanks mate, I mean the actual nuts that hold the pulley on.

The silver top is a lot shorter then this one but I can't even use my old holder because the min max line on the td42t is around 5mm difference either side of mine.

[Ben-e-boy]

Thanks mate, I mean the actual nuts that hold the pulley on.

The silver top is a lot shorter then this one but I can't even use my old holder because the min max line on the td42t is around 5mm difference either side of mine.


7-9 Nm for the nuts and fan bolts

[Patrol-Guy]

Thanks everyone and thanks Westy.

It's amazing how much extra things I now need as they crop up so again, very much appreciated but please, no more folks!

Hi everyone, I just got back from a trip to the Cape. That was awesome. But Sorry to hear about your engine problems AB. If you need more $$ then happy to contribute what I can.

Paul

[AB]

Hi everyone, I just got back from a trip to the Cape. That was awesome. But Sorry to hear about your engine problems AB. If you need more $$ then happy to contribute what I can. Paul No stress mate, welcome back but thanks anyway!

[AB]

7-9 Nm for the nuts and fan bolts Cheers Benny!!

[BigRAWesty]

Thanks everyone and thanks Westy.

It's amazing how much extra things I now need as they crop up so again, very much appreciated but please, no more folks!
Were all here to assist each other when and where we can, no matter the situation..

[Clunk]

Are you coming?
It's just the way he's sitting

[BigRAWesty]

@ MudRunnerTD did you get my text over the weekend bloke?