Need to install a secondary cabin heater in my GU (Y61)

[SiberianPatrol]

Has anyone here had to install a secondary cabin heater in their Patrol? In preparation for trips on the winter ice roads here in Siberia, I need to figure out a rear heater system for my ride. I only have the heater/AC in the front row - nothing for the back rows. In winters of -30C or colder, it is a necessity.

Has anyone had to do anything like this before and can you point me to a good aftermarket heater?

[Clunk]

What's a heater?

Sorry mate, couldn't resist

[SiberianPatrol]

What's a heater?

Sorry mate, couldn't resist

I figured as much posting a question like that in a mostly Aussie forum. ;)

A heater is what you call summer - only we have to artificially produce it in cars, houses, buildings, etc. ;)


1999 GU RD28Ti turbo diesel; manual transmission; 33" Khumo mudders; ... more mods on the way ;)

[mudski]

not sure about aftermarket but the Ti models have dual heating factory. Not sure how accessible parts are for you, or even exactly whats invloved. But I imagine I would be costly and a big job to do.

[liftlid]

You can get aftermarket car heaters/AC units from the states mostly used in hot rods and custom cars

[Cuppa]

I imagine that possibly the easiest & cheapest way would be to install a diesel heater as used in truck cabs & motorhomes. There are versions which just produce hot air or ones which will also pre-heat the engine coolant, which I imagine would be quite beneficial in -30 degree temperatures. Over here they can be bought for around Aus$700 upward, but there is a chap in Turkey who sells worldwide & has a very good reputation for service & being helpful. http://dieselheaters4u.com/contact-us.html I’m not sure where in the Patrol you might mount one, but they are quite small so I imagine would be quite feasible. They are thermostat controlled & very effective. I imagine similar or same units would be available from local resources in Siberia too?

[Robo]

I imagine that possibly the easiest & cheapest way would be to install a diesel heater as used in truck cabs & motorhomes. There are versions which just produce hot air or ones which will also pre-heat the engine coolant, which I imagine would be quite beneficial in -30 degree temperatures. Over here they can be bought for around Aus$700 upward, but there is a chap in Turkey who sells worldwide & has a very good reputation for service & being helpful. http://dieselheaters4u.com/contact-us.html I’m not sure where in the Patrol you might mount one, but they are quite small so I imagine would be quite feasible. They are thermostat controlled & very effective. I imagine similar or same units would be available from local resources in Siberia too?

His ebay link returned an response "no such shop exists".

2 tee or y-pieces, some heater hose, and a heater core with a fan box attached a relay etc and hook up a remote heater is a option but
sub zero temp the diesel heater sounds like a No 1 choice to me.
engine may struggle to run hot enough to run 2 water heaters.
not to mention you don't need engine running to stay warm.
and pre heat engine is also a top idea, especially given your talking sub zero figures.
more cost but a good option non the less.

[MudRunnerTD]

My GUiV has heating ducts under the front seats blowing heat into the back foot wells. Basic setup. You could look stone ducting from the front to the back. Insulation in the roof lining. Use the roof rails as ducting. I have a pic of the cross section of the roof rail for you to have a look I will post it up.

[MudRunnerTD]

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/08/83.jpg


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[MudRunnerTD]

That is a ducts waiting to be used

[Winnie]

That is a ducts waiting to be used

Hot air would soon get very cold though when moving through there.

[MudRunnerTD]

Hot air would soon get very cold though when moving through there.

yeah it would but there is room to push / thread a flexible duct along there. i assume that Nissan use this space to get the rear vent into the Ti models? The air is moving so it would loose efficiency but it would get warm air to the rear, not as warm as the air in the front though. if he removed the roof lining and insulates further then he could install ducting into that space and put the roof lining back in?

Or Double wall duct along the inside edge of the chassis rails and up through the floor again maybe.

[Winnie]

yeah it would but there is room to push / thread a flexible duct along there. i assume that Nissan use this space to get the rear vent into the Ti models? The air is moving so it would loose efficiency but it would get warm air to the rear, not as warm as the air in the front though. if he removed the roof lining and insulates further then he could install ducting into that space and put the roof lining back in?

Or Double wall duct along the inside edge of the chassis rails and up through the floor again maybe.

We are talking about -30C weather though... even normal duct is just not good enough.
Even in an Australian winter the heater ducting going through your home ceiling will seriously lose a lot of heat, that's why insulated duct is used. Not so easy in a car though. But it's not travelling very far here either so it's not going to be as bad as that in your home.
So with -30C on one side of that steel channel it is going to be very inefficient.

[Cuppa]

His ebay link returned an response "no such shop exists".



Hmmm not sure what is going on there.
I know a number of people who have bought from him, including someone who whilst touring in Europe went to meet him to discuss possible set ups for his motorhome. All report that he runs a good company & is a seller with integrity.

[Bigcol]

not sure about that particular seller, but I do know of a few people who have put those into their Vans

and love them

[SiberianPatrol]

Thanks for all the replies, mates. We do have diesel heaters over here. The most common is the Webasto brand. I have already planned to install one of those which will heat the engine as well as the cabin based on a temperature sensor. My concern was getting heat to the back seats from the front heater, specifically while driving the winter roads in subzero weather. I plan to pull the interior and thoroughly insulate the cabin all the way around as well. Just wanted to make sure that I wouldn't have passengers in the middle seats freezing while I was comfortable in the front (heated seats and all).

[Bigcol]

if your doing it for the interior of the car
have a think about getting 2 little ball vents from a wreckers
then some "ducting" from where ever
fit the 2 ball vents in the back of the console, run the ducting to it from the centre of the dash
maybe a Y piece from the 2 vents in the centre of the dash, down to the console

[happygu]

yeah it would but there is room to push / thread a flexible duct along there. i assume that Nissan use this space to get the rear vent into the Ti models? The air is moving so it would loose efficiency but it would get warm air to the rear, not as warm as the air in the front though. if he removed the roof lining and insulates further then he could install ducting into that space and put the roof lining back in?

Or Double wall duct along the inside edge of the chassis rails and up through the floor again maybe.

Ti's only have Dual Air Conditioning, which is no good in -30degrees ....:frown:

Can't even just circulate air, which is a real pain ... there is a secondary fan in the rear left quarter panel, which runs into a duct running up the side window and then across the roof.

[MudRunnerTD]

Install an Inverter and lay an electric Blanket across the back seat base and back rest, then fit a fitted seat cover over it. Plug it in and you have Heated seats...... I have heated seats in my Hyundai and OMFG they are awesome. Would be dead easy to setup. If your rear passengers then covered themselves in a blanket they would be toastie warm mate.

[mudski]

Install an Inverter and lay an electric Blanket across the back seat base and back rest, then fit a fitted seat cover over it. Plug it in and you have Heated seats...... I have heated seats in my Hyundai and OMFG they are awesome. Would be dead easy to setup. If your rear passengers then covered themselves in a blanket they would be toastie warm mate.
Ideas man Daz. I did see somewhere 12v electric blankets too. Cant remember where though.

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[MudRunnerTD]

Ideas man Daz. I did see somewhere 12v electric blankets too. Cant remember where though.

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Search Ebay - 12 Electric Blanket and there are lots


http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/100-Polar-Fleece-Heated-Travel-Blanket-Electric-12-Volt-Truck-Camper-Car-Auto- (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/100-Polar-Fleece-Heated-Travel-Blanket-Electric-12-Volt-Truck-Camper-Car-Auto-/331605061036?hash=item4d3533adac)

[alexoffroad]

Hello,

it seems there is an option for a rear heater for GU / Y61 - but only for those manufactured for the colder areas of northern Europe.
This is what I have found:
http://nissan.epcdata.ru/safari/wfgy61/5967-tb48de/electric/270/27300~A/ (http://nissan.epcdata.ru/safari/wfgy61/5967-tb48de/electric/270/27300~A/)
and
https://partsouq.com/en/catalog/nissan/part/GL/Y61/270 (https://partsouq.com/en/catalog/nissan/part/GL/Y61/270)
There are even some part numbers there, so maybe you will be able to source them.

I will try this modification also, but I have sourced a rear heater unit from a GQ / Y60 and will try to chop the center console and fit this in :)

[SiberianPatrol]

Hello,

it seems there is an option for a rear heater for GU / Y61 - but only for those manufactured for the colder areas of northern Europe.
This is what I have found:
http://nissan.epcdata.ru/safari/wfgy61/5967-tb48de/electric/270/27300~A/ (http://nissan.epcdata.ru/safari/wfgy61/5967-tb48de/electric/270/27300~A/)
and
https://partsouq.com/en/catalog/nissan/part/GL/Y61/270 (https://partsouq.com/en/catalog/nissan/part/GL/Y61/270)
There are even some part numbers there, so maybe you will be able to source them.

I will try this modification also, but I have sourced a rear heater unit from a GQ / Y60 and will try to chop the center console and fit this in :)

Thanks, Alex. The prices on those rear heaters are astronomical. I doubt I could find one from a wrecker over here. I'll probably wind up going with a 2kBt Webasto air heater installed in the cabin. Very efficient and easy to use.

http://www.webasto.com/us/markets-products/truck/heating-systems/products/air-top-2000-st/

[altech]

Hi Guys , it's shame we can't "Recycle" the rear AC on the Ti models the make heat !!!!! :-) cheers Alex

[threedogs]

I have heated seats in the from,from ebay work very well imo.
You would need them on a timer or similar as they might flatten your battery if left on

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Car-Heated-Seat-Cushion-Hot-Cover-Auto-12V-Heat-Heating-Warmer-Pad-winter-Black-/161744384271?hash=item25a8b7710f:g:kBQAAOSwu4BVi8t K


http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HEATED-CAR-BLANKET-TRAVEL-RUG-SOFT-CARAVAN-FLEECE-ELECTRIC-THROW-12-VOLT-DC-AUTO-/171321511887?hash=item27e38ecfcf:m:mQrFhklX0d82wF7 nCEab5Hg

[SiberianPatrol]

I have heated seats in the from,from ebay work very well imo.
You would need them on a timer or similar as they might flatten your battery if left on

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Car-Heated-Seat-Cushion-Hot-Cover-Auto-12V-Heat-Heating-Warmer-Pad-winter-Black-/161744384271?hash=item25a8b7710f:g:kBQAAOSwu4BVi8t K

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HEATED-CAR-BLANKET-TRAVEL-RUG-SOFT-CARAVAN-FLEECE-ELECTRIC-THROW-12-VOLT-DC-AUTO-/171321511887?hash=item27e38ecfcf:m:mQrFhklX0d82wF7 nCEab5Hg

Thanks, 3D. I have a mob over here who could actually install the heater elements into the seats so that I don't have to worry about the heated covers. I already have heated front seats from the factory. Just trying to figure out options for the rear seats as it a noticeable difference in temperature between the front and back seats.

[threedogs]

As on another thread ,,,run an inverter and use an electric blanket
not sure on your power source there though.

[MB]

AB mate found an old thread here with diesel heater links and advice above.
Finally trialled folks a single bed 240v(60w) electric blanket running through my utes 1000w inverter last weekend in around say -2/4 mountain top overnight camping.
First and second night kept it on 'Low' and after 6 hours snoring chewed through about 0.9/1 volt off the 60amp Optima auxiliary battery. Third night got gready and set it on 'Medium' which sucked the battery down by over twice before to a damaging 10.5 volts. I'd say a minimum 120amp auxiliary system would be needed folks and or diesel air heater I will now investigate further. Portable would be awesome to move between camper, tent, ute pod differing trips etc....