S/Hand clutch. Should I machine flywheel?

[no eye deer]

hey fellas,
I am looking at a good deal on a fairly new clutch. Comes with flywheel. Some say dont machine, some say do machine. Both options seem to make sense. I dunno.

Thanks
Mark

[garett]

i would machine it. hows the springs look on the pressure plate ? thrust bearing ? but is it worth using a 2nd hand clutch ? i wouldn't unless i had no other option. its just too much work to do it again... but thats just me as i do all the work myself.

[threedogs]

I'm with Garrett but if its the only option ATM then machine the fly wheel

[mudnut]

I agree with the the above posts.
Only if a new clutch is beyond
your budget and there is
absolutely no other option
would you even
consider a second hand clutch.
How does the clutch face and
flywheel look. Is there any
discolouration which indicate
that there has been any
sort of heat from slippage
or heavy use.
Machining is the best way to
eliminate any hot spots on
the flywheel. All of the
manufacturers of clutches
I have used, require the
machining to be done
to validate warranty.

[no eye deer]

Thanks fellas,
I'm doing the usual conversion, and thought a S/H clutch would be ok. But maybe not. Its an Exedy HD (and its PINK)!! But- yeah- it'll cost me about $350 with freight. I can get a new clutch for about that, but just a cheapy. So- maybe I should just stick to getting a new one.

Mark

[mudnut]

I have an Exceedy clutch
fitted on my Rb30, 10000ks
ago. No trouble so far.
Some forum members
use tried and trusted
heavy duty 4x4
brands as sometimes
cheap means trouble.

[dom14]

Considering the amount of back breaking labour involved in doing a Patrol clutch, I wouldn't even think about using a secondhand clutch, even if I get it for nothing. AFAIK, the used clutch should have a wear pattern that goes with the flywheel. If you get that used clutch with the flywheel, that may worth a consideration if you are pretty tight in money and you are doing the clutch by yourself. Using a secondhand clutch on it's own is asking for trouble, unless you have to be super tight with the money.
Real cost of doing a clutch is the enormous amount of labour. Whether it's pulling the motor out or pulling the gearbox out, it's the same heavy labour job.
Assuming we are talking about GQ Patrol, the standard clutch is just over $100 and the heavy duty clutch is just over $200, so I don't think there's much saving in a secondhand clutch unless you get a very low km clutch for free.

[no eye deer]

Yeah- standard GQ. TB motor. I havent been able to replicate those prices though. Seem to be looking at around 400 for an Exedy or similar, and havent even looked at OEM clutches!

Mark

[ashmccormick]

I did a swap recently mate and rushed the job because I had a guy helping me out with his hoist who was only here for a weekend. As I live remote I couldnt get to a new clutch in time and so we made use of the best condition clutch and flywheel of the 2 motors... And it haunts me every day that I didn't get a new clutch and thrust bearing etc!

If you have time and a bit of cash mate seriously just get a new clutch and machine your flywheel. Do it properly now and you'll be sweet for another 300,000k's! Its not something to do on the cheap because it's a major PITA to re-do it (as I will be in the near future!)

Ash

[garett]

i'm worried about my clutch .. its been in there for over 20 years never even been looked at. with about 500 000km on the clock not sure how much more its got left. when i do have to change it its gunna be a full clutch kit, pressure plate thrust and spigot machine flywheel.

[ashmccormick]

i'm worried about my clutch .. its been in there for over 20 years never even been looked at.

Thats epic garett!! Does it slip or anything yet?

[garett]

nope only thing thats been done to the clutch system was new master and slave some 10 years ago (the reason i know this is my dad owned it since it was about 3 years old)

[ashmccormick]

You must drive with a good clutch technique then mate ;) Maybe you can give a lesson to my missus! She uses the bloody thing like a foot rest!

[garett]

my wife holds the car at the lights up a hill with the ..... clutch. drives me nuts. rides it like a bus... when she destroys it she is helping to change it. :) maybe then she'll learn. btw she has her own car a mazda 323. she wont drive the mav cos she cant park it lol

[ashmccormick]

Haha sounds about right hey! I had a major leak in my clutch master on our way back from darwin (refilling with fluid after every stop) and STILL couldnt get her to stop standing on the clutch haha!

[dom14]

You must drive with a good clutch technique then mate ;) Maybe you can give a lesson to my missus! She uses the bloody thing like a foot rest!

Well, it's better your car, than you. :D

[dom14]

i'm worried about my clutch .. its been in there for over 20 years never even been looked at. with about 500 000km on the clock not sure how much more its got left. when i do have to change it its gunna be a full clutch kit, pressure plate thrust and spigot machine flywheel.

That's a great achievement mate. Mine has started making the funny smell when I was trying to back up the van few months back.
Still going good after that. It passed all the clutch tests, so I'm hopeful it will last few more trips.
I know nothing of my clutch history, so perhaps I should have it replaced anyway.
I do have a bad habit of not pressing the clutch all the way in all the time.
It's a bad habit, isn't it?

[dom14]

Yeah- standard GQ. TB motor. I havent been able to replicate those prices though. Seem to be looking at around 400 for an Exedy or similar, and havent even looked at OEM clutches!

Mark
Yeah, sorry mate. TB clutch is slightly dearer than the RB30, which I have.
Yeah exedy's bit dearer, but you can look around for better prices.

You can source a standard clutch for $300 or less.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Clutch-Pro-Nissan-Patrol-GQ-TB42-4-2L-6-CYL-88-95-/221820360122?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item33a58615ba
Probably better to read some reviews and seek some opinions on them as well.
Heavy duty,
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Xtreme-Heavy-Duty-Clutch-Nissan-Patrol-GQ-TB42-4-2L-6-CYL-88-95-/331551487754?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item4d3202370a
If the Exedy clutches are the trusted brand, then a standard one of them, should be around $300, I reckon.

There are cheaper ones on fleabay. Dunno about their reputation though.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Suits-Nissan-Patrol-Clutch-kit-GQ-Petrol-engine-TB42-4-2L-88-to-1995-SPECIAL/230880852638?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%2 6asc%3D20140106155344%26meid%3Dc1be43221ab147f0bb9 8aa7ad4049c68%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26 mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D221820360122

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Nissan-Patrol-Clutch-kit-GQ-Petrol-engine-TB42-4-2L-1988-to-1995-Clutch-Pro/231271862550?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%2 6asc%3D20140106155344%26meid%3D6026361e31d346d998f 6d7c8b91d55ef%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26 sd%3D230880852638

When you spend around $400, I reckon you're looking at Exedy heavy duty one.
As you can see above, Xtrem brand heavy duty clutch is slightly cheaper than Exedy.
Probably the blokes here can post some opinion on Xtreme brand ones.

[garett]

according to a guy that sold clutches the only difference between the standard and h/d is the springs are stronger in the pressure plate. if anyone has more knowledge please feel free to correct me.

[dom14]

nope only thing thats been done to the clutch system was new master and slave some 10 years ago (the reason i know this is my dad owned it since it was about 3 years old)

Aren't you lucky to have inherited a diesel Patrol? I wish I was. :D

[ashmccormick]

Well, it's better your car, than you. :D

Haha true mate!!

[dom14]

according to a guy that sold clutches the only difference between the standard and h/d is the springs are stronger in the pressure plate. if anyone has more knowledge please feel free to correct me.

I read it when you wrote about it, and believed it straightaway. It's true one way or the other, isn't it?
To be heavy duty, the springs gota be better than standard one. If the plate material is also better, I reckon it's a bonus?
I'm wondering, whether the thickness of the heavy duty plates is also the same as standard ones!

[no eye deer]

Yeah, sorry mate. TB clutch is slightly dearer than the RB30, which I have.
Yeah exedy's bit dearer, but you can look around for better prices.

You can source a standard clutch for $300 or less.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Clutch-Pro-Nissan-Patrol-GQ-TB42-4-2L-6-CYL-88-95-/221820360122?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item33a58615ba
Probably better to read some reviews and seek some opinions on them as well.
Heavy duty,
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Xtreme-Heavy-Duty-Clutch-Nissan-Patrol-GQ-TB42-4-2L-6-CYL-88-95-/331551487754?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item4d3202370a
If the Exedy clutches are the trusted brand, then a standard one of them, should be around $300, I reckon.

There are cheaper ones on fleabay. Dunno about their reputation though.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Suits-Nissan-Patrol-Clutch-kit-GQ-Petrol-engine-TB42-4-2L-88-to-1995-SPECIAL/230880852638?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%2 6asc%3D20140106155344%26meid%3Dc1be43221ab147f0bb9 8aa7ad4049c68%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26 mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D221820360122

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Nissan-Patrol-Clutch-kit-GQ-Petrol-engine-TB42-4-2L-1988-to-1995-Clutch-Pro/231271862550?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%2 6asc%3D20140106155344%26meid%3D6026361e31d346d998f 6d7c8b91d55ef%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26 sd%3D230880852638

When you spend around $400, I reckon you're looking at Exedy heavy duty one.
As you can see above, Xtrem brand heavy duty clutch is slightly cheaper than Exedy.
Probably the blokes here can post some opinion on Xtreme brand ones.


Thanks Dom14, Yeah- I reckon 400 bucks is about what I'd want to spend. I think "too cheap" might not be "cheap".

[garett]

used some extreme clutches no problems but i don't drive them. they should be ok

[no eye deer]

Xtreme "Outback" and Xtreme "Heavy Duty" Seems to be $3.00 difference in price, but cant work out if they're the same clutch. Anyone know?

[dom14]

Xtreme "Outback" and Xtreme "Heavy Duty" Seems to be $3.00 difference in price, but cant work out if they're the same clutch. Anyone know?

Extreme website doesn't mention about any "outback" clutch in their website for your model(TB)
It must be a retail rename.

[no eye deer]

That might explain it. Just browsing Ebay. Got onto Xtreme, but no reply.

Just checked the website again. Xtreme advertise the "Outback". Weird, but prolly not worth worrying about. Both clutches advertise a clamp load of 900 .

[dom14]

I reckon it's the same thing with different labels

[no eye deer]

Yep- same thing. Xtreme email says "our HD clutches are named Outback" No difference.