Eyeless snatch strap..Who makes it....

[gregs]

Hi all, I am after the name of the manufacturer or a seller of a snatch strap that was around a few years ago but doesn't seem to be seen too much these days, it never had eyes at each end, all you did was loop the end through either a shackle or recovery point and fed the end back through a series of little loops on the strap itself, anyone know of this type of strap and where I might be able to get one from?

Cheers

Greg

[MudRunnerTD]

Why do you want that Greg?

[gregs]

Hi MudRunnerTD, the front "recovery point" on the Y62 is an OE one and the hole on ours is too small for a 4.7T bow shackle and the 3.2T we have goes through (well the bolt does) but it sits at an angle that I am not comfortable with in a recovery situation as the bottom of the bow hits the frame the recovery point is welded to, nissan state that we can use this for recoveries but would like to remove the shackle out of the equation and at this point in time no one does an aftermarket recovery point so that is out of the question.

[MudRunnerTD]

If there is one on each side I would use an equaliser strap with 2 3.7t shackles and your snatch in the middle.

[gregs]

If there is one on each side I would use an equaliser strap with 2 3.7t shackles and your snatch in the middle.

Yeah there is one on each side but they are tie down points only and face backwards, so won't be using these in any recovery. The centre point is the only one facing forwards. It is a really weird setup nissan have gone with on the Y62, but hopefully someone will come up with aftermarket recovery points.

[MudRunnerTD]

Can you post a pic of it for my interest. You may be able to use a Soft Shackle depending on what the point looks like.

[gregs]

Can you post a pic of it for my interest. You may be able to use a Soft Shackle depending on what the point looks like.

Will see how I go tomorrow and try to get a pic.

[the evil twin]

What MR said... Will one of these work?
http://www.softshackle.com/Shopping-cart.html

They are extremely strong and very easy to use.
Can be a tad hard to make depending on your skills and the reason they cost a bit is because they use a suprising amount of rope to manuf.
Just need to watch out for sharp edges on the attachement points

They are the 'Ducks Guts' for joining straps, bridles etc as there is nothing to jam or bind or whatever

[gregs]

Well it looks like I can get a 3.2T bow shackle through the front point (It was dark and I obviously wasn't trying hard enough :o) but it catches on the front guard under the bullbar, only just but it will be enough to scare the crap out of you if it got caught and went bang in a recovery, it wouldn't cause any damage apart from probably bending the guard a fraction but it could be bent back easily or I might just cut out a section of the plate to allow the bow shackle to move a bit more freely. Or as has been suggested get a soft shackle, just have to watch the sharp edge under the front guard, I reckon I could probably get away with putting a piece of high density water hose (with a split down the middle) over the sharp edge when it is needed.
Here is a couple of pics of the recovery point and the tie down points. The first 5 are of the recovery point. The next 4 are of the tie down points that face backwards.

[MudRunnerTD]

Soft Shackle for sure mate

[the evil twin]

Soft Shackle for sure mate
Agree... esp being nice and round like it is

First observation is in also agreeing that no way in the world would I snatch off the tie downs.
The loads are totally at the wrong angles and I would be very careful winching of them but would use with extreme care if needs be.

Sooo as far as the recovery point goes...
Ideally the pin of the bow should go thru the point and the strap to the bow (and Yes, I know some recovery points are manufactured to take the shackle, just talking ideal here).

If you put the shackle thru the point the odds of a Bow not staying in the correct orientation are pretty high and you gotta remember the rating of a Bow Shackle proportionally reduces if the pull isn't in line and the rating is 50% at 90 degrees.
Worst case that would drop the bow shackle rating to 1600 Kg, multiply by the design factor and you get 6 to 9 tonnes Breaking Strain roughly.

[gregs]

MudRunnerTD and the evil twin, thanks guys for the info you have both passed on it is sincerely appreciated. I will make some calls tomorrow about these soft shackles.

Cheers and thanks again.

Greg

[mudski]

I agree with ET on those steel loops. No way in the world i would snatch from those.

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[MudRunnerTD]

Posted in the "another recovery mishap " this morning.


Everyone should use these
http://www.bubbarope.com/gator-jaw-soft-shackle

[Stropp]

I just bought 3 from the UK site that ET put up, half the price of the bubba rope ones.

[Clunk]

There's also this mob, could find anything larger that 3000kg SWL but eho knows, maybe they'll ones with higher ratings if required.


http://www.wet-tech.vanryndesign.com.au/SoftShackles.html

[MudRunnerTD]

I just bought 3 from the UK site that ET put up, half the price of the bubba rope ones.

Thanks Stropp, i didnt realise ET had a link up. Looks the goods. I have 60m of 12mm rope in the shed going on my Himount. Too much. I will make a couple of these i reckon, That link says 12mm ones are rated to 14T so looking good. Will use about 1.2m or so of rope to make one i reckon but will research on YouTube.

[the evil twin]

Thanks Stropp, i didnt realise ET had a link up. Looks the goods. I have 60m of 12mm rope in the shed going on my Himount. Too much. I will make a couple of these i reckon, That link says 12mm ones are rated to 14T so looking good. Will use about 1.2m or so of rope to make one i reckon but will research on YouTube.

I've made a couple of my own as well and the strength of the shackle is directly related to the stopper knot used.
A diamond knot is easiest to tie and uses less rope but a button knot is heaps stronger and allows you to feed the tails back into the shackle.

Because you are effectively using 4 lines the BS of the shackle is 4 times the BS of the rope less the factor of the knot.
For a button knot I work on 2X the BS of the line.

A 12mm one will probably need a bit over 1.5 metres as I use that length for my 10mm ones but I am a hamfisted and need long tails to tie the stopper

12mm

[gregs]

Well I ended up in getting a couple of bubba rope ones from snake racing, I didn't have time to wait for some to come from OS, and I certainly don't have the ability to make them myself. Hopefully I won't need them but at least I have them.

Thanks guys for all your valuable input, it is greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Greg

[threedogs]

I wouldnt count on that loop too much.
Ive had a look under the Y62 and there is not much to attach to.[ARB bar]
there is a row of 4 x 10mm captive nuts , but useless on such a heavy 4x4

[gregs]

threedogs, just wondering if we could replace the cross bar that the recovery hook is attached to and replace it with a stronger one that is reinforced somewhat and that also bolts up to the sides somewhere?

[threedogs]

threedogs, just wondering if we could replace the cross bar that the recovery hook is attached to and replace it with a stronger one that is reinforced somewhat and that also bolts up to the sides somewhere?

I'll have a look under my mates Y62, I wasnt aware that panel un bolted.
Is it just a lower radiator support panel??
EDIT, was just told a lot of PPL asking for front points. that panel is welded
Mates Y62 is getting some mods done and wont be able to see it till mid next week.
One mod I highly recommend is the exhaust, boy do they sound sweet, lol

@ MR or ET can you start a thread showing the correct way to
1 attach these to the Patrol and 2 how to join straps.
I think we should all think about having these in the recovery kit.
Ill put it to TJM tomorrow when I'm there