Another recovery mishap....

[clubbyr8]

Happened near here last night.....


http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/07/13/04/26/man-suffers-life-threatening-injury-in-nsw-four-wheel-drive-mishap

[threedogs]

Yeah its in the towball thread Maybe the mods can move it.
We only yesterday saw a heap of idiots with not one idea between them.
Can someone tell me if Purple ARB straps are snatch straps

[MudRunnerTD]

I was just about to post this too. Terrible. Thoughts are with the family. They say a broken strap allowed a shackle to enter via the back window and strike the driver in the head while he sat in the drivers seat. Terrible! Either 2 straps joined by a shackle to gain length or it was a TowBall or hook failure.

3dogs that purple strap in the other vid looked like a winch extension strap to me. It was Very long.

[Rossco]

Yeah it was an arb winch extension, noticed that too.

[rusty_nail]

They aren't designed to be snatched off hey?

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[threedogs]

They aren't designed to be snatched off hey?

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I think in the other thread they just towed it out, again very lucky.


Either way it should not have happened admittedly the driver being only 17 did not have the experience
but those other 4 wheelers that rolled up should have know better, again an avoidable incident.
Thoughts with the family and the young fellow.
I dont have face book etc are there any comments about it??
Just shows any newbies here how dangerous it is and the amount on energy stored.


Please do a recovery/4x4 course. you'll be glad you did

[Chubba]

In the news link above they describe it as a freak accident, that's the problem, to the uninitiated it seems to be a freak accident but it isn't. All those forces acting in a straight line with joins either end an some times in the middle, it's not freaky at all. If anything dose go wrong both drivers are line of fire. Recovery is a very risky operation.

[threedogs]

Freak accident would be like once in a lifetime event,
You're right its not a freak accident it was doing a recovery all wrong
and could have been avoided, this makes me really mad, GGRRrrrrrrrr

[dave97]

I've often sat back and looked at recovery gear and thought some of it looks like crap, i work with 15tonne and 30 tonne cranes everyday and personally i figure if a company can make lifting chains they can make recovery gear so personally I'm saving my penny's and get my great from nobles

[Chubba]

I've often sat back and looked at recovery gear and thought some of it looks like crap, i work with 15tonne and 30 tonne cranes everyday and personally i figure if a company can make lifting chains they can make recovery gear so personally I'm saving my penny's and get my great from nobles

Also all the recovery kits out there in retail land have a 8000kg snatch a 12000kg tree protector with 5 to 6 ton winch all tied together with a 4.75t shackle. making the whole set up only rated to the weakest link, the shackle.

[threedogs]

I'm thinking they joined 2 straps like MR suggested with a shackle and one eye failed in a big way
and we know what happened next,
The bit that makes me angry is this kid has an up hill struggle now through no fault of his own

[lucus30]

I believe from reading comments it was shackled to the tongue of the towbar and the towbar tongue broke. Could be wrong but have read comments from a bloke who was there in Facebook

[threedogs]

I believe from reading comments it was shackled to the tongue of the towbar and the towbar tongue broke. Could be wrong but have read comments from a bloke who was there in Facebook

A tongue is made from 16mm flat steel
Maybe the pin was in wrong What ever
No point guessing what happened.
Do we know the kids Name?

[MudRunnerTD]

Hey tod you didn't merge mate? Only the 1st 2 posts went over? Given this is current new today is be happy to leave this until there is an outcome. Although I'd prefer no one ever got hurt and there was nothing to learn I reckon having a few threads like this scattered can't be a Bad thing?

Does anyone have any real news on this young bloke?

[NissanGQ4.2]

I was going to merge but didn't end up merging any, it will become one big mess due to the dates on the other threads.

I've reopened both threads



Hey tod you didn't merge mate? Only the 1st 2 posts went over? Given this is current new today is be happy to leave this until there is an outcome. Although I'd prefer no one ever got hurt and there was nothing to learn I reckon having a few threads like this scattered can't be a Bad thing?

Does anyone have any real news on this young bloke?

[Hodge]

Very sad. As soon as I saw it I assumed another tow ball recovery gone pearshaped. But it wasn't, although just as tragic.
It's amazing how many keyboard warriors are all over it on FB with comments like... "This is why 4x4-ing should be banned and tracks, shut etc...." . Very annoying when un-informed people throw their 2 cents in like that.

[NissanGQ4.2]

Does anyone have any real news on this young bloke?

Haven't heard any news on how he is doing, no news about the accident on his FB page

[NissanGQ4.2]

It's amazing how many keyboard warriors are all over it on FB with comments like... "This is why 4x4-ing should be banned and tracks, shut etc...." . Very annoying when un-informed people throw their 2 cents in like that.

Wouldn't of really made any difference in this case, if it is where I believe it 2 of happened it is illegal 2 be in there anyway.

Don't even think there is a legal place in Sydney 2 4wd these days :(

Shutting down tracks is not the answer, maybe if they actually had some legal 4wd park in Sydney accidents like this might not occur

Hope he hangs in there and makes a full recovery

[the evil twin]

Also all the recovery kits out there in retail land have a 8000kg snatch a 12000kg tree protector with 5 to 6 ton winch all tied together with a 4.75t shackle. making the whole set up only rated to the weakest link, the shackle.

Not quite right, Cobber...

The weakest link is the 8,000 Kg strap.
The 4.75t rating on a shackle is WLL for a lift.
The actual BS of a 4.75t rated shackle will be 18,000 Kg to 30,000 Kg depending on grade.

[Rock Trol]

At our committee meeting tonight we where discussing this and if the shackle is properly rated it should have a true breaking limit 7 times the stated amount. I think this is how they are rated for rigging. Happy to be corrected if info I was given is wrong. Mind you, with so much recovery gear coming out of China now and so many brands do we really know what is the true strength of these units.

[MudRunnerTD]

I expect that this accident has occurred as a result of joining 2 snatch straps together using a shackle to lengthen the recovery strap. One of the straps broke and the shackle became a missile. Not confirmed but I can't see another way that a shackle would become a missile.

[Chubba]

Not quite right, Cobber...

The weakest link is the 8,000 Kg strap.
The 4.75t rating on a shackle is WLL for a lift.
The actual BS of a 4.75t rated shackle will be 18,000 Kg to 30,000 Kg depending on grade.

That's true but the WLL is what is used for safe operation. there is a safety margin incorporated in all the components but the rated WLL stamp on components is what we must go by, not the breaking strain.

[threedogs]

That's true but the WLL is what is used for safe operation. there is a safety margin incorporated in all the components but the rated WLL stamp on components is what we must go by, not the breaking strain.

WWL and SWL only apply to lifting,

Has anyone heard an update on this young guys condition.
Makes you wonder if you would be liable if a strap let go causing damage.

[the evil twin]

WWL and SWL only apply to lifting,



What he said X2

Take a look at the size of an 8 ton rated shackle and you'll agree

Rated shackles also have a specified BS, it just isn't embossed on the shackle as that is not part of the Aust Standards is all.

That is also why the 1 ton rated shackles are acceptable to Authorities to attach safety chains when towing

[Bulbous]

Everyone should use these
http://www.bubbarope.com/gator-jaw-soft-shackle