The will it work thread?

[mudnut]

G'day all. Here is the opportunity to express any ideas (comical or not) you may have which will make life easier for us 4wd enthusiasts.

For the oil burners: Instead of having a sump plug, simply run a line to a filter and then pump the sump oil directly to your fuel tank. Saves dropping oil on the ground and gives you cheap diesel. :)

Disclaimer: Don't forget to refill the engine with oil. Not to be used when the fuel tank is too full to receive the oil. And it may eventually kill your engine??


When suction wont let your vehicle be recovered: Why not have an air solenoid running a set of nozzles fitted in the floor of your Patrol. Turn your on-board compressor on, flick a switch, sit back and enjoy the recovery.


To stop that nasty roll when you have pushed your vehicle beyond its centre of gravity: Why not have a couple of strong metal pipes fitted to air pistons. Simply hit the button and relax as the poles shoot out the sides and support the vehicle.

Disclaimer, may cause injury or death to any bystanders. Not to be used as a punitive measure against arrogant cyclists or traffic wardens.

[liftlid]

April 1st isn't for a couple of weeks!

[Bob]

G'day all. Here is the opportunity to express any ideas (comical or not) you may have which will make life easier for us 4wd enthusiasts.

For the oil burners: Instead of having a sump plug, simply run a line to a filter and then pump the sump oil directly to your fuel tank. Saves dropping oil on the ground and gives you cheap diesel. :)

Disclaimer: Don't forget to refill the engine with oil. Not to be used when the fuel tank is too full to receive the oil.


When suction wont let your vehicle be recovered: Why not have an air solenoid running a set of nozzles fitted in the floor of your Patrol. Turn your on-board compressor on, flick a switch, sit back and enjoy the recovery.


To stop that nasty roll when you have pushed your vehicle beyond its centre of gravity: Why not have a couple of strong metal pipes fitted to air pistons. Simply hit the button and relax as the poles shoot out the sides and support the vehicle.

Disclaimer, may cause injury or death to any bystanders. Not to be used as a punitive measure against arrogant cyclists or traffic wardens.

What are you on LMAO

[mudnut]

Ha ha. Just got bored as everyone left for school or work, Bob.

[threedogs]

You really run sump oil through the fuel system, could never do it.??

[mudnut]

I have read some call it "black diesel". Dunno what else needs to be done to the oil to use it as a fuel.

[Gecko17]

Necessity is the mother of invention!

Don't forget that this little (population base) country, as well as it's smaller south-eastern neighbour, have come up with some of the most ingenious inventions on the planet.

[mudnut]

http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Topic/26151/Running_5_sump_oil_with_diesel_to_extend_it.aspx

Someone mentions that some heavy haulers constantly feed a percentage of oil to the engine's fuel system.

[Gecko17]

As long as the filtration system is sufficient and the oil/fuel mix spot on ( allowing for reducing ratios during fuel consumption), I can't see why this wouldn't work. The question would be though, is it finacially viable?

When I was in the Engineers, we had diesel/water mix burners... normally used for mass showers/washing cauldrons. Burnt really hotly for a naked flame... Has this ever been incorporated into an engine?

[Gecko17]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_injection_(engine)

[mudnut]

Yeah, I was trying to see if WI was worthwhile the other day.

[mudski]

http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Topic/26151/Running_5_sump_oil_with_diesel_to_extend_it.aspx

Someone mentions that some heavy haulers constantly feed a percentage of oil to the engine's fuel system.

In my 18 years I served in the Heavy Transport industry I had never seen this in action myself, I had heard of it though....

[threedogs]

I have a friend high up at CAT I'll give him a buzz

[mudnut]

What about having a length of strap rolled up in a zip bag, with one end attached to the top of the pillar, above the seat belt mount. If you get into a situation the vehicle is teetering on the brink of disaster, you can just wind the window down and toss the strap to the spotter, so they can anchor the end.

If someone does make money from it I'd appreciate a kick back:) :)

[Gecko17]

Or an airbag where the awning sits? Inflate on impact, severe angle or command....

[mudnut]

Now your getting the idea!

[threedogs]

I have a friend high up at CAT I'll give him a buzz

I received an email back from my mate and he said a few years ago this was common practise.
How ever because of the black smoke and uncertainties with blocked filters they ceased doing it.
Sump oil is a long way from fish and chip oil LOL

[mudnut]

Black smoke like this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JkvGS6sdKQ

[threedogs]

snake oil or as the thread says will it work
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/F1-Z-Car-Supercharger-Turbine-Turbo-Charger-Dual-Air-Intake-Fan-Fuel-Gas-Saver-/351279353271?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item51c9e18db7&_uhb=1

[Winnie]

snake oil or as the thread says will it work
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/F1-Z-Car-Supercharger-Turbine-Turbo-Charger-Dual-Air-Intake-Fan-Fuel-Gas-Saver-/351279353271?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item51c9e18db7&_uhb=1

An old mate of mine wanted to fit an electric turbo charger to his Lancer... I tried to convince him to do it to see what a wank it would be but he never ended up doing it... lmao

[mudnut]

Looks like a spinning hiclone, it'll only spin the air until it hits the butterfly which will destroy the vortex action.

[threedogs]

An old mate of mine wanted to fit an electric turbo charger to his Lancer... I tried to convince him to do it to see what a wank it would be but he never ended up doing it... lmao

Like this

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/121490993724?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[mudnut]

Ha, ha. Fit that to the top of your snorkel and away you go!

[threedogs]

A motor would suck more air than that fan could supply wouldnt it ??

[mudnut]

Only one way to find out. You know you want one, TD.

[megatexture]

Theres a youtube vid around that blokes put a leaf blower on as a turbo

[mudnut]

That's a cool idea.

[Gecko17]

Theres a youtube vid around that blokes put a leaf blower on as a turbo

Lol... great idea but what happens when you get to the end of the driveway and run out of extension cord? :hpfredgeorge1:

[Gecko17]

Seriously tho.... when does forced air become too much air? Can you overdo the air/fuel mix? How do you control it?

[mudnut]

I have no idea, but it would be fun to find out.

[Winnie]

Seriously tho.... when does forced air become too much air?

In a diesel, it doesn't.

[Gecko17]

In a diesel, it doesn't.

So the more air, the better? What about head pressure?

[Stropp]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_injection_(engine)

i was just going to say that there a few that run water/meth or straight water, there is a fair bit of info on that other patrol forum :). mainly the straight water lowers egt's

[mudnut]

So the more air, the better? What about head pressure?

Good question. I guess as with a turbo on a petrol engine you have to use a thicker head gasket, but I don't know for diesels. There would have to be a limit for a stock engine, then you would have to modify it by using stronger pistons, rods etc.

[Ben-e-boy]

Good question. I guess as with a turbo on a petrol engine you have to use a thicker head gasket, but I don't know for diesels. There would have to be a limit for a stock engine, then you would have to modify it by using stronger pistons, rods etc.

It depends on the engine and how it is built, if you want to run more than 80 psi in your 5.9L cummins you really want to consider upgrading to ARP bolts and studs, If you were going as far as 150 psi you would likely let the moths out of the wallet and upgrade everthing.

A TD wont handle anywhere near that boost

[threedogs]

Good question. I guess as with a turbo on a petrol engine you have to use a thicker head gasket, but I don't know for diesels. There would have to be a limit for a stock engine, then you would have to modify it by using stronger pistons, rods etc.

wasnt the thicker head gasket on petrol the cheap way to lower compression for the turbo, thats what I thought anyway

[mudnut]

wasnt the thicker head gasket on petrol the cheap way to lower compression for the turbo, thats what I thought anyway

Exactly...

[Gecko17]

So after all of this, if you could design the perfect diesel engine, or modify a suitable candidate, what would you do? With my very limited knowledge, I would want high pressure air induction (Higher combustion/ cleaner burn/ less emission) coupled with water injection (reduce temps). Air/fuel/water mix would have to be spot on....

Sound right or way off? And why is diesel/gas combo a cheap way to increase HP?

[mudnut]

The gas injection increases the burn rate of diesel from 75 to 80% to a claimed 98%
http://www.dieselgasaustralia.com.au/default.aspx?ID=Technical

[mudnut]

After being "diffed" a couple of times I thought that running separate brake lines to all four wheels and having two thick rollers each side of diff on the rear and one wide one on the front. This way you've got a chance to claw your way of deep ruts and over rocks.

The rollers would be in two halves so installment would be simple.

[Punderhead]

After being "diffed" a couple of times I thought that running separate brake lines to all four wheels and having two thick rollers each side of diff on the rear and one wide one on the front. This way you've got a chance to claw your way of deep ruts and over rocks. The rollers would be in two halves so installment would be simple.

while there is merit to this idea, and it could probably be done with a lot of rnd, it wouldn't be a simple as bolting two bits of half round together over the diff.

Firstly, if it did spin, it would wear away the diff housing in no time.

Secondly, I don't think it would spin, because the amount of friction would be too high.

So, in order to spin, and not wear away the diff, it needs bearings.

Fitting bearings would be possible with enough time and $$$, but that size bearing wild be fairly expensive. Also, you would then need to put on seals etc, as mud water could easily get in and chew out the Bearings.

Thirdly, why I wouldn't do it, instead of just having the diff pumpkin to get hung up on, now you have the entire length of the diff, reducing diff clearance by at least a couple of inches.

Not having a go at you, just like to think up problems/solutions for things.

I'm not an engineer, just a humble fitter, so someone feel free to tell me I'm wrong.


Cheers

[Punderhead]

Just thinking on your idea mudnut, why not weld on the diff a half piece of pipe,on the underneath of the pumpkins. You would lose 2-3mm clearance, but with the round at the front it wouldn't dog in and would slide on the dirt better.

Cheers

[mudnut]

Good Idea. but it couldn't be too long as it would apply torque on the pumpkin.

[doka404]

Just thinking on your idea mudnut, why not weld on the diff a half piece of pipe,on the underneath of the pumpkins. You would lose 2-3mm clearance, but with the round at the front it wouldn't dog in and would slide on the dirt better.

Cheers

Something like what is on the Currie Rock Jocks?

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[Punderhead]

Good Idea. but it couldn't be too long as it would apply torque on the pumpkin.

Yep I was thinking something that was only just the size of the pumpkin, maybe even a Harris hard case with some pipe added.

Cheers

[Punderhead]

Something like what is on the Currie Rock Jocks? <img src="http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56278"/>

Yep, something along those lines!

[mudnut]

Even that would be so much easier to shift than the angular surface of the pumpkin. I might have to knock one up out of some scrap.

[doka404]

Even that would be so much easier to shift than the angular surface of the pumpkin. I might have to knock one up out of some scrap.

Got me thinking now..think the Superior rear pinion guard would be just as good..
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[Punderhead]

Got me thinking now..think the Superior rear pinion guard would be just as good.. <img src="http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56284"/>

Might well be. Just modify it to get rid of that little step, and bobs ya uncle!

[Ben-e-boy]

So after all of this, if you could design the perfect diesel engine, or modify a suitable candidate, what would you do? With my very limited knowledge, I would want high pressure air induction (Higher combustion/ cleaner burn/ less emission) coupled with water injection (reduce temps). Air/fuel/water mix would have to be spot on....

Sound right or way off? And why is diesel/gas combo a cheap way to increase HP?

What makes modified diesels good for everyday, is a quick torque rise, flat torque curve and a correctly sized turbo,

[mudski]

Got me thinking now..think the Superior rear pinion guard would be just as good..
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56284&stc=1

Harris Hardcase do a rear pumpkin protector. Just waiting for his to get of his rrss and make one for the H260 diff.

[threedogs]

Something like what is on the Currie Rock Jocks?

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you need a bash plate that will allow you to slide not the most difficult thing to make
when I get around to it Im welding skid plates to the front pumkin out of some 12 flat
will be a bit of mucking around cutting all the bits to shape but will be worth it in the end

[Punderhead]

you need a bash plate that will allow you to slide not the most difficult thing to make when I get around to it Im welding skid plates to the front pumkin out of some 12 flat will be a bit of mucking around cutting all the bits to shape but will be worth it in the end

Draw it all up and get it laser cut? Outback ideas skid diff plates? Or would you stick to recovery points.?

Cheers

[threedogs]

nah Harris already do a bash plate mine will be a weld on job, probable to withstand comp truck style punishment.
Anything is possible if enough like the design

[threedogs]

@ Mudski Ive found a uni style MAF housing at 76mm in diam, but more on that later.
IYO do you think my full stainless steel intake pipe will flow more air than the HPD MAF housing with OE piping?
Or anyone for that matter will it work better ,the same or,,,,,,???

[mudnut]

I see that they're now selling production cars with supercharger/turbo combos. That would give you a perfect torque curve.

[Gecko17]

Isn't that what they achieve with twin turbos? One high pressure, one low?

[mudnut]

I think it is a gimmick, but it would eliminate turbo lag.

[Winnie]

I think it is a gimmick, but it would eliminate turbo lag.

Forced induction from idle, then the top end of a turbo. Very nice.

[Gecko17]

So is the supercharger redundant at the higher revs?

[threedogs]

Buggatti VEYRON say no more quad turbo with launch control everything about this car wreaks power

[BigRAWesty]

Buggatti VEYRON say no more quad turbo with launch control everything about this car wreaks power

It's the fastest production car in the world isn't it?

[Punderhead]

It's the fastest production car in the world isn't it? that would be the Bugatti Bruton super sport, yes. Followed by the venom gt and the the koengsigg agera r.

[threedogs]

see the UAE now have Lamborghini Delgarde for police cars now along with afew other "super cars"

[mudnut]

This is a good read.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a10058/volvo-turbocharger-supercharger/

Downside is a lot of moving parts.

To further the usefulness of the slide/bash plate, I would also make the sides with a bit of a curve, so it would be less likely to get hung up. I would also make it removable so the diff centre is accessable.

[Gecko17]

Other than portal axles and increasing wheel diameter, why is there no other way of improving diff height? Why can't you use universal joints, in the pumpkin, with floating stub arms? (I know that there is a hugh amount of torque involved) but if the arms were sufficiently braced, could this not work?

[doka404]

Other than portal axles and increasing wheel diameter, why is there no other way of improving diff height? Why can't you use universal joints, in the pumpkin, with floating stub arms? (I know that there is a hugh amount of torque involved) but if the arms were sufficiently braced, could this not work?

Couple I know of but big dollars...

Atomic Axles (don't know if it took off though)
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/03/75.jpg

the other is (sorry to mention them again lol) but the Currie RockJock III Hi Pinion, they rotate the diff housing to gain more clearance..not a lot..but gives a bit extra
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/03/76.jpg

[doka404]

I see that they're now selling production cars with supercharger/turbo combos. That would give you a perfect torque curve.

I know this was done back in 85 on a commercial car (Lancia Delta S4 Stradale), but i would hedge a bet that it was done way before then by someone along the line.

[mudnut]

Couple I know of but big dollars...

Atomic Axles (don't know if it took off though)
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/03/75.jpg

the other is (sorry to mention them again lol) but the Currie RockJock III Hi Pinion, they rotate the diff housing to gain more clearance..not a lot..but gives a bit extra
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/03/76.jpg

I saw the atomic axles on Extreme 4x4. An excellent mod if you had the cash.

http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/engine-drivetrain-55/different-diff-housing-portals-old-school-88177/

http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/865-Atomic-Axles/page3

[mudnut]

I know this was done back in 85 on a commercial car (Lancia Delta S4 Stradale), but i would hedge a bet that it was done way before then by someone along the line.

Yes, supercharging and turbo boosting was developed very early in the automobile history. Someone must've experimented with both.

[Sir Roofy]

If you drop a dolup of solder on aluminen weld will it stick ??

[garett]

silver solder yep, that cheap stuff you use to join wires ... maybe maybe not

[mudnut]

Why, roofy, what are you up to?

[garett]

probably trying to seal up a a/c line

[Sir Roofy]

why, roofy, what are you up to?

think theres a pin hole in the i/cooler

[Gecko17]

Couple I know of but big dollars...

Atomic Axles (don't know if it took off though)
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/03/75.jpg

the other is (sorry to mention them again lol) but the Currie RockJock III Hi Pinion, they rotate the diff housing to gain more clearance..not a lot..but gives a bit extra
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/03/76.jpg

Exactly what I had in mind.... Anyone know how much the Atomic's are? On a work computer that wont let me access the site. :(

[Ben-e-boy]

exactly what i had in mind.... Anyone know how much the atomic's are? On a work computer that wont let me access the site. :(

$15,000 us

[mudnut]

They were talking of offset axles on the site I gave links to. I reckon if you combined that with rotated diff housings you would gain lots of clearance.

[Gecko17]

I wonder if they would cause as many headaches trying to convert, in WA, as portal axles have? Doesn't matter that they have been engineered and certified....