RD28TD Garrett Turbo

[lachiek]

Hey all, I've looked everywhere on this site and cant believe no-ones posted on how you know when your turbo needs a rebuild - other than the obvious it blew up!

Mine is leaking oil from the BOV and I'm pretty sure the wastegate has rusted shut cause I get a ch ch ch ch noise at full boost running up a hill. The truck goes really well, plenty of power (I don't tow so 2.8 is ok) so should I rebuild now or wait for it to blow?

Thanks for any advice.

[lachiek]

And another thing, has anyone used these guys to rebuild a turbo? http://www.digi-hardware.com/turborebuild.htm

They reckon they can do my Garrett T25 for $400 which is about a third the price of other places I have talked too. They are also recommended at http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=425304 and I figure those guys love their cars so should be ok??

[YNOT]

What boost is the turbo putting out? If the wastegate was seized shut you will have boost well over 20psi.
Diesels don't have BOV's so I'm not sure where your oil leak is? Photos would help.
The oil may just be condensed PCV oil mist.
Not sure about the noise without hearing it.

Tony

[lachiek]

Hey Tony, I'll take a photo of the turbo / oil leak but I don't have a boost guage so can't tell you what pressure it's putting out.

My Gregory's manual show a BOV on the turbo (I had previously thought there was no point in a diesel) and I'm pretty sure the sound is air escaping from this valve as it is an unmistakable rapid choofing noise of air being released from pressure. Unfortunately it needs to be under load to happen so I can't replicate the noise while the car is parked. I'll try getting my girlfriend to hang out the window with a sound recorder, she's usually up for crazy stunts...

Cheers, Lachie

[YNOT]

When you said BOV earlier I was thinking closed throttle blow off valve (BOV) which is not relevant to diesels. I realize now you referring to the over boost pressure relief valve which I think is mounted on the front of the inlet manifold.
What you are describing does sound like your turbo is overboosting but without a boost gauge I can't be sure if it's that or a faulty pressure relief valve.

Tony

[lachiek]

Yep thats the one thanks Tony. I'll get a photo tonight to confirm. Can you recommend a good brand of boost guage and can they be fitted by a backyard mechanic?

[YNOT]

Yep thats the one thanks Tony. I'll get a photo tonight to confirm. Can you recommend a good brand of boost guage and can they be fitted by a backyard mechanic?

I like VDO gauges myself.

They can easily be fitted by a backyard mechanic it just depends how handy you are.
When you're looking for somewhere to mount the guage keep in mind that down the track it would be good to also fit an exhaust gas temperature guage next to it. The guages are the same size.
Once you've mounted the guage you need to connect a one wire into the dash light circuit (so you can see the guage at night), an earth wire, then run a hose out into the engine bay and T it into a hose from the inlet manifold.

Tony

[Finly Owner]

Aye Tony, how much should I expect to pay for them guages? what 2"?

Tim

[YNOT]

From memory it cost me about $100 for boost and $150-180 for pyro, 2" gauges. I got my guages from VDO at Archerfield. Have a look on Ebay for them.

Tony

[lachiek]

Hey Tony, thanks for the guage info. Like Finley said, what price?

Here's pics of the boost relief valve. You can see the oil around the front plate and dripped below.

Time for a turbo rebuild?

Cheers, Lachie

[lachiek]

Hey Finly, here's 2 options from ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/VDO-GENUINE-TURBO-BOOST-GAUGE-0-15psi-FITTING-KIT-/360344601517?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item53e63643ad
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Exhaust-pyro-and-boost-gauge-kit-vdo-pyrometer-/260746981797?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cb5bb31a5

But this guy looks the best

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/EGT-PYRO-GAUGE-52mm-Turbo-Diesel-TOYOTA-PATROL-/130493233408?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e6200b900

Cheers, Lachie

[hurtinit]

mate, you can buy do it yourself rebuild kits which include seals and bearings... if you are interested let me know as there is a tech article on a forums I know of with pictures etc. It really is easy and the kit costs about 20-30 bucks

[hurtinit]

HOW-TO: Rebuild Your T3 Turbo.

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First off; credit goes where credit is due, this how-to was taking off the DSM Tuners forums by jusmx141 but I thought i might bring it here for us T3 owners to maybe take a stab at trying.

This guide is for those who have never attempted to rebuild a Garrett T3 / T4 style turbo. Hopefully this step-by-step guide will get you back to boosting for less!

- Lets begin by describing the tools needed for this procedure. You'll need:

- 1/2" box end wrench (for the compressor housing bolts).
- 12mm or 13mm box end wrench (for turbine housing bolts).
- A 3/8" or 7/16" wrench (for the backplate bolts).
- Ratchet with a 12mm socket.
- Ratchet with a 3/8" socket.
- Medium flat screwdriver.
- Tiny flat screwdriver or pick.
- Dead-blow hammer or regular hammer and a block of wood.



- Here's the candidate for today's lesson- a PTE6031E. These turbos are built around a popular Garrett T3 frame that many popular Hybrid turbos use today. These brands include PTE, Turbonetics, and others.

**Before beginning, it's a good idea to make some type of mark on the compressor cover, backplate, center housing, and turbine housing to ensure proper alignment during assembly. Unlike a Mitsubishi turbo, the Garrett-style turbo's housings can rotate 360* making reassembly a challenge.

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/jusmx141/T3%20Rebuild/T3Rebuild1.jpg

- Begin by removing the wastegate actuator using the 1/2" wrench. Most of the time these bolts are 1/2" because the compressor housing is made by Garrett, an American company. Occasionally they're metric.


http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/jusmx141/T3%20Rebuild/T3Rebuild2.jpg
- Once the actuator is removed, use the 12mm or 13mm wrench to remove the bolts holding the center housing to the turbine housing. Some of these will be difficult to reach due to the position of the center housing....you may need to rotate the turbine housing to reach two of the bolts.


http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/jusmx141/T3%20Rebuild/T3Rebuild3.jpg
- The exhaust housing will almost NEVER come apart on it's own! You'll need to strike the housing using a dead-blow hammer or a regular hammer and a block of wood.



http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/jusmx141/T3%20Rebuild/T3Rebuild4.jpg

- This photo illustrates the housing once it's removed.


http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/jusmx141/T3%20Rebuild/T3Rebuild5.jpg
- Now you may remove the remaining compressor bolts.


http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/jusmx141/T3%20Rebuild/T3Rebuild6.jpg
- Take note of whether the locknut on the compressor wheel is left-hand or right-hand threaded! Most Garrett turbines are left-hand threaded to prevent the nut from loosening during operation. If you look closely at the threads in this photo, you'll see the turbo I'm working on is left-hand threaded.


http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/jusmx141/T3%20Rebuild/T3Rebuild7.jpg
- Using the 3/8" socket, remove the compressor locknut while holding the hex portion of the turbine wheel with a 17mm wrench. The locknut can be 10mm, 11mm, 10mm 12-point, or 3/8" 6-point. The compressor wheel should slide off the shaft easily.

***There is a controversy regarding whether or not to scribe the shaft and compressor wheel to mark alignment. Most of the time these turbos are component-balanced so their orientation during assembly isn't crucial. If the shaft and wheel are already scribed, you'll know the turbine shaft and wheel have been balanced as an assembly. If it makes you feel better to scribe your shaft and wheel, by all means do so.***


http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/jusmx141/T3%20Rebuild/T3Rebuild8.jpg
- Once the compressor wheel is removed, the turbine shaft can easily push out the opposite direction


http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/jusmx141/T3%20Rebuild/T3Rebuild9.jpg
- Remove the backplate bolts from the center housing using a 7/16" or 3/8" box end wrench.


http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/jusmx141/T3%20Rebuild/T3Rebuild10.jpg
- Separate the compressor backplate from the center housing....be aware of any loose parts that may fall out during this step.


http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/jusmx141/T3%20Rebuild/T3Rebuild11.jpg
- This particular turbo uses a bolt-down thrust plate that is held in place by three 2.5mm allen bolts. There can also be a spring retainer holding the thrust plate down, or torx bolts as well.


http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/jusmx141/T3%20Rebuild/T3Rebuild12.jpg
- Using a small screwdriver, walk the journal bearing snap ring out of it's groove.


http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/jusmx141/T3%20Rebuild/T3Rebuild13.jpg
- Remove the compressor journal bearing from the housing. Repeat removal procedure for the hotside journal bearing.


http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/jusmx141/T3%20Rebuild/T3Rebuild14.jpg
- Remove the worn compressor seal from the collar by "walking" it out of the groove with your fingers. Be careful, the worn seal is often very sharp! Use a tiny flat screwdriver if you cannot get your fingernail underneath the seal to initially lift it out of the groove.


http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/jusmx141/T3%20Rebuild/T3Rebuild15.jpg

[hurtinit]

- Use the same "walking" method to remove the turbine seal from the turbine shaft.

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/jusmx141/T3%20Rebuild/T3Rebuild16.jpg

- Here is the turbo completely disassembled.



http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/jusmx141/T3%20Rebuild/T3Rebuild17.jpg

Cheers Justin

[Sean]

great info I have a 97 gq patrol and have simliar issues with the turbo. Around the turbo i get alot of oil and I blow white smoke and alot at start up and when i give it to it.

[AB]

Just added the pictures mate, thanks for the detailed post and pics.

[Sean]

Thinking of buying a new turbo when I have the cash... Also was wondering does anyone have a 97 patrol gq 2.8 turbo deisel where they have put an after market intercooler on it. Because I only ever see the 4.2 patrols with after market turbos and intercoolers

[thin on top]

Great stuff Justin. Dont think I need it at the moment, but Im sure one day I will be reding this again.

cheers

Phil

[hurtinit]

hey I will put pictures up in the post in the next couple of days.. im on my work pc and they dont let me do it!!!

[lachiek]

Mate you're a legend for posting this. I've done some hunting around and have heard pretty mixed reviews of how easy it is to do the rebuild yourself. Those pictures really clear up the process but the other half is getting a good kit. Have you got a kit that you've used or heard good things about? Not sure if I want to trust fleabay on this one.

Cheers, Lachie