crane mounted on 260 LWB, station wagon

[ixston]

Hello

I intend to apply a 260 LWB, station wagon, Europe-made, 1991 to beekeeping, mounting a crane weighting about 350kg, cutting a whole on the roof, attaching the crane basis to the chassis and probably keeping the crane semi-open.

The crane would be used to lift beehives at up to 6 m distance, for operative work or transportation (placing them on a 5-m trailer).

The option to put the crane on a trailer is impractical since the patrol should freely move among the beehives.

Somebody has tried something like that and eventually has ideas, photos, etc ?

thanks! (I'm in Europe, Bulgaria)

[YNOT]

Welcome to the forum ixton.

Wouldn't it be easier to get a ute?

Tony

[AB]

I have to agree why not just use a ute which makes it ten times easier then cutting through, etc.

Is there a reason why you are using a wagon.

What exactly are you picking up and where are you putting the load on wagon???

Welcome to the forum too mate, put up an intro about yourself whilst your here.

[AB]

Is apiculture like beekeeping?

do you just plan on picking up boxes and moving them short distances or?

[ixston]

thanks for the speedy responses!

I'm bulgarian (long distance from Australia..); do neuroscience research, cognitive models, ecc. (also distant from the topic :-)

My brother is the beekeeper and owner of the 260LWB,SW. I'm just helping him with this story.

Not being used with the slang, what is "ute"?

We intend to use the Patrol for lifting beehaves. On one hand, to allow working with them (to lift temporarily 20-100 kg), and on the other, to transport them, placing them on a 5-m trailer. So, the crane would extend up to 6-7 m.

[AB]

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/03/1.jpg

Here is a picture of a ute. Utility vehicle for putting load on rear tray.

I'm not sure about going to the effort of putting a crane on a wagon.

If you are serious about the beekeeping then I would be designing a small crane for a custom trailer.

You are only picking up 20-100kg so I would presonally be designing a crane system dedicated to the trailer and keeping the wagon as it is...


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[ixston]

Conversion to "Ute" is among the possibilities (we have a Station Wagon), but the option of just making a hole on the roof would be more economical and so I wanted to see whether somebody has tried something similar.

[AB]

Conversion to "Ute" is among the possibilities (we have a Station Wagon), but the option of just making a whole on the roof would be more economical and so I wanted to see whether somebody has tried something similar.

I would convert the trailer mate as above.

It would ruin the wagon, water would leak in, no general space left in wagon, etc.

[ixston]

AB, thanks for the samples; I'll send them to my brother; We need a fast solution for lifting parts of the beehives; a hydraulic crane is relatively fast, though, here in europe a new one costs about 7000 euro.. So, some "light" manual or electrical solutions are also welcome.

Should the crane be mounted on the geep, it should extend about 5-7 m.. Otherwise, a light manually-transported solution could be smaller.

We are talking for operating with 200-600 beehives, so we need a fast way to lift parts of the boxes.

[Finly Owner]

Hmmmmm, Beehives inside wagon? Angry bees while driving, ahhh not my thoughts of nice drive. LOL

Tim

[ixston]

As for ruining the wagon, it will be used only for work, not for fun :-), so, some light rain-protection solutions would be sufficient.

[ixston]

the beehives are close, sure, and you move them in night time, usually, and not in the wagon but placed on the trailer. Still, it's not a vacation. I had done this various times, and had got the anger of some of them when you don't close them well enough. But you know that bee-poison is a medicine (over dose is not welcome)

[AB]

You really shouldn't go to the effort of purchasing a 6m reach crane mounted inside a wagon to pick up max 100kg weight.

A 6m crane reach will need serious bracing, most likey far more stablising then a patrol chassis would handle and would need stablisers just for the crane max reach anyway regardless of weight pulling.

6m crane will cost $$$$ and to cut into both roof, floor and somehow welded plates, etc on chassis would be a huge over kill including stablisers, etc for just 20-100kg weight load.

Just get a small palfinger 3m reach or equiv mounted on the front section of decent trailer and that will do plenty mate.

Also, to mount a crane inside the wagon would restrict movement, usability, reach etc....Massive overkill IMHO.

[AB]

Like this....It will save you thousands and you wont have to touch the Patrol.

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[Finly Owner]

can get those red ones on ebay

[ixston]

AB, thanks for the photos; could you please give me more references for the left two solutions?

as for the 6-m solution (actually we look even for 7-m), we need to move as little as possible the machine having a rather long-range access, plus, the possibility to put the bee-box right on the correct place on the trailer, instead of moving it furthermore.

the long range is needed also to be able to use the crane for operative work with the bees, not just for loading on the trailer. Otherwise, it was sufficient to put it on the trailer.

Mounting costs in Bulgaria are modest; the crane cost is the largest issue (euro, 7000 = USD 10.000).

[ixston]

So, nobody has mounted a crane inside a station wagon?

[YNOT]

So, nobody has mounted a crane inside a station wagon?

I think I can safely say no.

tony

[ixston]

thanks for the honest assumption; let's see whether we disprove it in the nearby future :-)

[AB]

thanks for the honest assumption; let's see whether we disprove it in the nearby future :-)

If you do go ahead with it mate then please show us a build thread with photos, that would be great to see!

[ixston]

Dear Plasnart,

utes, or light trucks, or call them as you wish, are so useful that should be there on the Moon a place they still don't exist, they would invent them. In Eastern Europe, in Bulgaria in particular, they just import them because we don't produce cars, but potatoes and tomatoes. Others in Europe also produce them.

My brother happened to have got a hand on a good-mechanics machine, this 1991 260 model, for god money, and since he needs a powerful workhorse but not just a heavy "weekender" that needlessly spills out more smog on this Earth, he is looking for a way to convert it, which in Bulgaria happen to be realizable for reasonable money (the conversion, or other mounting costs). The crane itself costs more than the Patrol itself.

As for the towbar-mounted solution used to load a trailer, it might just be more practical to mount some easy lifting device on the trailer itself. We need however something that also lifts boxes for working them, not just for loading them on the trailer. I just saw solutions like those ones, that apparently open new directions:

http://www.kegiom.com/eng/products.htm

The question is the costs, which are to be seen.

In the meantime, we are open for any solution. So, beekeepers, please, have your say!

[damianovdd]

I may confirm that the Patrol Utes are not known here. I saw them for the first time here on that forum also.
And as ixston says, rebuilding the wagon is cheaper than buying a new transporter.


Hi ixston. Welcome to the forum. Where do you live in Bulgaria?
Здравей, ixston. Добре дошъл във форума. Къде живееш в Бг?

[ixston]

Well, Bulgarians in these remote to Europe site.

DamianovDD, I'm from Yambol, where is the Patrol, but it's of my brother, who is the beekeeper. I'm in Italy, for good or bad. Good for a personal social context, bad for the practical impossibility to return back in Bulgaria.

(follows a challenge for non bulgarian-speakers) Здравей! Аз, както виждаш, съм извън Бългаия, но се опитвам да държа връзка. Както знаеш, ние сме практични и от мравка можем да направим кон. Не знам в случая дали ще стане, защото кранът струва два пъти повече от Джипа, и брат ми май се разкъндардисва.

Plasnart, thanks for the video!!! I just saw a similar pallet-lifter and was considering it, but this shows how it could work. Any other practical solution is welcome!

[ixston]

DamianovDD, by the way, could you suggest me good dealer (also on line) of good MUD tires?

[ixston]

For those interested in original solutions:

http://www.apilift.de

http://www.mybodyandme.de/APILIFT%20TRACCION.htm?t=&action=show&id=mmzLD7RbsKM
(look at the videos)

[damianovdd]

DamianovDD, by the way, could you suggest me good dealer (also on line) of good MUD tires?

Sorry, ixton.
I am now on search for the right tires manufacturer, and will buy new mudies for the next winter. Here on the forum i have learn this - first choose the the tires you really need and then look for the best seller. And because this choice for me will be for the next winter, i haven't choose yet.

Bg in PM ;)

[cnw351]

Could you front or rear mount it of the bar work. front mount where a winchwould go would make it easy to see the crane while driving and when you don't need it; take it off again. Save the roof and all the extra hassels associated with it.
I'm not sure what the bull bar or tow hitch specs are. Just a thought.