55 litre water bladder

[threedogs]

hi me again as I'm down sizing my gear so I can travel as light as I can.
I was thinking of buying one of these bladders for across the rear passenger floor.
Has anyone had any experience with them? I have a 55 Dolium plastic tank in my trailer,
but that will stay with the trailer when I sell it.
Things I'd like to know is does the water taste like plastic etc.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/WATER-BLADDER-55-L-IDEAL-FOR-4WD-AND-CAMPING-/251478773633?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item3a8d4d8f81&_uhb=1

[MudRunnerTD]

Yes I have a 60lt in the rear footwell. I have set it up semi permanent through a 12v pump and permanent tap mounted to the rear small door. Running water on demand.

[BigRAWesty]

Inlaws have a poly tank. 55l which fits in the middle row foot well.
Being poly it's made to be at the bottom of the pile so you have piece of mind when packing around it.
I'll try find more info.

[BigRAWesty]

Sorry. It's only 40 but unsure if they do bigger.
Called a boab. This is it here.
http://www.dolium.com.au/Retail_Catalogue/WTP40FW_item.html

It's not cheap. But won't break

[threedogs]

thanks I have the Boab tank in my camper 55ltrs and its a hoot but does not suit my future plans
I'll stick with the bladder I think as no ones in the back anyway

[megatexture]

My mates got a 110 ltr bladder across the 2nd row floor and his kids walk over it when its full (5&7 yrs old) after seeing his ill be getting one next trip we do without the camper

[catchinjack]

I got the 100L one and sits behind front seats, also have two kids and it sits inside a canvas bag, no problems yet with it.

[Irish]

Have looked at those bladders a few times, they seem like a good option and keep the weight nice and low too.

[Winnie]

I took the same bladder as Darren on the Simpson trip. Mine is less fancy though just gravity feed.
Worked well, but tastes crap! Lol good for cooking and cleaning but not for drinking.

[TimE]

I use one of these (http://www.dolium.com.au/Retail_Catalogue/WTP55U_item.html?ref_cat_id=Poly_Water_Tanks), 55l, on the floor behind the front seats. The advantage it has over a bladder is the lack of that awful plastic taste, and it is more robust in my opinion.

[BigRAWesty]

Surly you could make a tank to fit behind middle seats td?
Leave more usable floor space for other things?

[Cuppa]

If plastic taste is an issue it can be totally removed using a pump & a carbon filter.

As far as tanks go, try talking to Mick at Award Tanks. He’ll make you one to your own design & measurements, & it will likely cost you no more than an off the shelf one from other manufacturers. He’s a good bloke to deal with, & makes good tanks. He also does a range of ’standard sizes’ which are slightly cheaper again. All food grade polypropylene - no taste.

http://www.awardtanks.com.au

My one for the pod, 880 x 760 x 250, (about 167 litres) with two fillers, two outlets, a breather + fittings cost me $320 plus 60 something for delivery two years ago. Has a double skinned top & is well baffled, very strong, I spent a fair bit of time kneeling & sitting on it when doing the pod fit out.

[threedogs]

Thanks Cuppa thats a fair price for sure, water will be mainly cooking and washing ,
not a fan of those triangle ones that clip to the cargo barrier. I might even put one into the 1/4 panel if they make
them for patrols. 55 ltrs will be fine for me, gravity feed flow is fine its not a race to fill the kettle eh.
I might pressurize it who knows.

[threedogs]

Surly you could make a tank to fit behind middle seats td?
Leave more usable floor space for other things?

IF I was going to make one it would fit beside the Engel and rear seat, you need to see the way I have things

[BigRAWesty]

I forgot you don't run draws.
Yea. Then why not?
Sure it'll be a bit more expensive but it'll be what you want.

[threedogs]

I think I'll stick with the bladder, then I can remove when not needed

[MudRunnerTD]

Here is my setup 3D

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Been there since before the Simpson trip and is wrapped in a blanket. The kids walk on it no probs. I gave never heard it slosh around. It is about half full at the moment.

I have not drank out of it at all so can't comment on taste. I never wanted it for drinking though.

$24 4l/min pump off eBay with auto pressure off and self prime. Also the $15 carling switch.

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Running water is awesome!!! I use it now too wash my hands before getting in the car if I have been doing something on site. Winner!!


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[Sir Roofy]

Mate go the stainless tank 20l for you
ive still got birdsville water in mine
nearly gone now but still usable

[megatexture]

I took the same bladder as Darren on the Simpson trip. Mine is less fancy though just gravity feed.
Worked well, but tastes crap! Lol good for cooking and cleaning but not for drinking.

Was that the bladders first use ?

[mudski]

I took the same bladder as Darren on the Simpson trip. Mine is less fancy though just gravity feed.
Worked well, but tastes crap! Lol good for cooking and cleaning but not for drinking.

If it tastes like crap surely its not good for you to use it for cooking.

[Agronaught]

I find a few drops of lemon concentrate is enough to cancel out the taste of the phenyls in the water, I had the same problem with the tank on my camper until it aged a little.

[threedogs]

I have some stainless premix kegs here, i'll put a pic shortely
they are about 250 round and 600 long easy enough to tig some fittings into it to hold water.
Forgot I had them.
there is a powder you can wash bladders out with to remove taste ,but wouldnt you check
to see if it was food safe plastic first?

[threedogs]

I have 2 of these they are 20 litres with rubber both ends.
Would be easy enough to tig two 3/4 stainless sockets on to it.
One to fill the other for an outlet.
I did have two tigged together but I gave that to a guy with a dual cab GQ.
20 litres is not quite enough IMO

[Winnie]

Was that the bladders first use ?

Yes it was, be interesting to see how it tastes now after a wash out.

[megatexture]

Yes it was, be interesting to see how it tastes now after a wash out.
I'm sure it will get better
I drank the water from my mates and it tasted fine and that water was in it for 3 weeks

[catchinjack]

There is an additive you can add to bladder and you do not taste anything but pure water. Got it at a camping show years ago.

[Rossco]

Yeah I've got one exactly the same 3d. Works well but does taste like crap. Only flushed it out once tho, sure it wiill improve with age. . hopefully. Only used it on the simpson trip.

Toyed with putting it behind the seats but ended up just putting out on the floor. Sure it would work woth a bit more perseverance, might not be able to fill it to capacity tho.

[threedogs]

Across the floor in the back is fine for my set up.
they are very robust IMO, I'll get some sockets welded into those 20 ltr tanks.
that might be ok having 40 ltr standing up right in the cargo area,
Only have a few weeks to sort this out

this will suit my needs, I'll just rinse it out a few times, Gravity feed is ok you dont waste water that way
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/171439108471?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

[threedogs]

brought some tank cleaner from the RV warehouse, should do the trick,
still going to use the 20ltr stainless but somehow will bolt it in sitchu

[threedogs]

Ok need help from anyone in the hospitality industry.lol
I'm trying to remove the top of my post mix keg I can un screw it till its loose but it wont come out.
Its just a piece of stainless tube that reaches to bottom of the keg and is spring loaded.
Once out I can figure out a fill system like a radiator ,

[threedogs]

OK bladder has arrived has anyone extended the hoses to make it a bit easier
can you get irrigation taps that fit?

[threedogs]

I use one of these (http://www.dolium.com.au/Retail_Catalogue/WTP55U_item.html?ref_cat_id=Poly_Water_Tanks), 55l, on the floor behind the front seats. The advantage it has over a bladder is the lack of that awful plastic taste, and it is more robust in my opinion.

Thats exactely what I have in my camper, maybe use that and use the bladder in the camper

[threedogs]

again the bladder at the moment is full of Bi card and bladder cleaner.
but need to know what others have done with the fill hoses to make them
more user friendly to get the water out

[threedogs]

@ Roofy and Ben I got the end out of that small keg, without any damage.
Being stainless I used the arc welder and burnt the centre out, was still apitb
Soon I'll have 20ltrs of clean drinking water which wont take up much room.
Just waiting on a SS socket to TIG to the front for a ball valve

[Sir Roofy]

Looks good mate be better than that bladder your mucking about with

[Cuppa]

Never good to muck around with one's bladder eh? :-)

[threedogs]

A SS socket arrived today so I'll get that Tigged on this week.
then figure out how I'll fill it. think a 2" plug should be ok

[MudRunnerTD]

Have a look at the pics I posted. I added a Male hose fitting to the end of the filler hose so I can fit the garden hose straight on. Trying to pour water in without Tap pressure is just Dumb!

[MudRunnerTD]

I used irrigation fittings John

[threedogs]

I used irrigation fittings John

Not sure I'll be using the bladder for a few reasons.
I'll probably end up putting that in my camper and use the plastic Dolium 55ltr on in the Patrol

[threedogs]

seeing my shed is a an Alladins cave for bits and pieces,, shame to clean it up really,, I came across
some insulation that they use in Boeing aircraft to insulate the aircraft from extreme heat and cold.
I'll get my mate to stitch up a sleeve to fit over SS keg, happy with that find.
Cool drinking water on a hot day,,, priceless lol

[threedogs]

Ive picked up my keg with the 1 1/4" SS socket Tigged welded on.
Now just waiting for more SS fittings to arrive from OS to finish it off.
Very thin material but all good in the end.

Now I need to figure out how to secure it safely in the back of the Patrol.
It could stand upright behind the driver seat, will have to see.
20 litres of clean drinking water on tap gotta be happy with that.
Spewing I buggered the other one up getting the bung out, will check if I can salvage it at a later date

[dads tractor]

Hell all that work for water storage I'm just so glad to have a ute and canopy .Packed over arm just throw it in and I'm ready to go to make things better the wifes a five star camper so I have the whole kit and caboodle to my self . Like the TIG work a work of art.

[threedogs]

I like building /reusing items for camp. ATM I'm sorting out my gear so I can travel as light as possible.
Unfortunate it hissed down last fishing trip but even then I've culled more gear.

I always took gear for 4 ppl but no more, the others can fend for themselves next trip.
Even made my own camp oven but thats nearly ledgendary lol heavy but memorable

Nearly at the one slab and a can of baked beans ATM lol

[Cuppa]

I like building /reusing items for camp. ATM I'm sorting out my gear so I can travel as light as possible.
Unfortunate it hissed down last fishing trip but even then I've culled more gear.

I always took gear for 4 ppl but no more, the others can fend foor themselves next trip.
Even made my own camp oven but thats nearly ledgendary lol heavy but memorable

Nearly at the one slab and a can of baked beans ATM lol

Don’t you dare give up on the camp oven(s), the roasts out of them are legendary.

[threedogs]

Don’t you dare give up on the camp oven(s), the roasts out of them are legendary.

Coming from a vegeterian I'll take that as a compliment.
No pain 3 days boy am I happy touch wood

[threedogs]

Taken a while for some fittings to arrive but it will be finished next week
even thinking of putting an air valve on it to pressurised a tad.
The tap is similar to the old style lockable water tank tap 3/4"
The filler is from a boat deck fill, should be a perfect fit imo
Happy camper so far, should not have accidents with that tap style
Melb. Co. too not OS both items

[Sir Roofy]

taken a while for some fittings to arrive but it will be finished next week
even thinking of putting an air valve on it to pressurised a tad.
The tap is similar to the old style lockable water tank tap 3/4"
the filler is from a boat deck fill, should be a perfect fit imo
happy camper so far, should not have accidents with that tap style
melb. Co. Too not os both items

comming together nicely love the tap

[threedogs]

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Tap-Lever-Action-1-2-BSP-Mount-x-3-4-Outlet-1-2-Hosetail-Garden-Tap-/171048874005?pt=AU_Business_Industrial_Farming_Agr iculture_Farming_Agriculture_Equipment&hash=item27d34eb015

this is the mob they do foot valves and check valves as well , pricey are ok too
Chose that style tap so it couldn't be knocked on accidentally
I went for a 3/4 tap to get better flow than a 1/2" one
Good thing I like about it is I can take it anywhere to fill,
I don't have to bring the hose to it I take it to the hose./river whatever

[Bush Ranger]

Has any one have one of those water bladders that go in to the rear quarter panel and would they, or do they create condensation on the out side of the bladder whilst it`s full of water?

[BigRAWesty]

Has any one have one of those water bladders that go in to the rear quarter panel and would they, or do they create condensation on the out side of the bladder whilst it`s full of water?

I think most wrap them in some sort of protective layer as a double skin.
I could imagine the water temp would change quite quickly if it was hard against the car skin.
My 70l tank mounted middle of the car stays nice and cool even when 40 degrees. It's raises a bit but only like your normal tap water would.

[threedogs]

All hardware is ordered now to wait.

Why not get a bladder that fits on the cargo barrier or is real estate at a premium,
That 55ltr bladder is made to go on the floor in the passenger area, very robust indeed
They are double skinned and made from a very tough rip stop canvas/plastic fabric

[Bush Ranger]

Thanks for the reply Westy and Threedogs. I have found that having a 2 litre bottle of water gets quite warm during summer and not very refreshing if it`s in the drivers / passengers door pockets, so a quarter panel bladder be the same.
I have thought of the 55 ltr bladder Threedogs and thought of the quarter panel section be a good area to utilise for extra water storage as well as the 55 ltr bladder on the floor. I was thinking the last thing I need was a rust repair job years down the track caused by an option for extra water storage. Just thought of casting the net out there for thoughts from others.

[threedogs]

Plenty of ways to store water, store brought items like bladders and tanks be it blow moulded or stainless.
Give Roofy a PM he had one custom made as did Cuppa I think..

[BigRAWesty]

Yea I custom made mine to fit between middle seats and draws.
75ltr capacity..

[threedogs]

WOW nice size tank Kallen got a pic please if not too much trouble
being central well thought out as well

[threedogs]

All hardware arrived today the plastic Deck fill I needed to grind to fit into the top but it screwed in nice and tight.
the tap is awesome better than what I thought it would be, so now I have 20 litres of safe drinking water.
Very happy with the final result

Edit;; I siliconed in the top plastic filler'
Hindsight and I have that in spades being
gravity feed I maybe should have used a 1" ball cock
instead of 3/4".
Once the silicon is dry I'll see if I can pressurise it
with a few pounds of air

[sooty_10]

I'm contemplating using one of these cargo barrier hanging ones,

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/321154938550?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

They come in all shapes and sizes and you can get it custom or simply change outlets as required.

[threedogs]

I like that one nice and low and looks easy enough to get water from, you could fill that via the rear sliding window too
There is a triangular 55 ltr tank that straps to the cargo barrier, you run the hose along the floor to the rear doors and
fill via sliding rear windows

[the evil twin]

90% of the Cargo Barrier Hanging Water Bladders exceed the Barrier manuf specs and Aust Standards.
IMHO if you want a bladder the floor pan style is the go.
Just sayin' is all...

[threedogs]

Makes sense to me thats a bit of weight hanging off it.
maybe he could check the Dolium range or the custom ones like Roofy has

[Rock Trol]

I had a BOAB 40 litre hard plastic tank just behind the front seats in the foot well. Taps on either side with hoses. They are strong and you can stand on them. Only problem is that there are no baffles so if I used 5-10 litres and was driving over rough rocky/potholed tracks you could feel the weight of the water transfer from one side to the other as the vehicle moved. Very disconcerting.
For general touring would not get that problem. Do the bladders have the same problem?

I would now use plastic jerry cans or those 10 litre boxes you get from the shops. I used those to drink from while driving to the Simpson so I could conserve the water in the BOAB until I hit the desert. I hindsight I could have just used those.

[BigRAWesty]

I had a BOAB 40 litre hard plastic tank just behind the front seats in the foot well. Taps on either side with hoses. They are strong and you can stand on them. Only problem is that there are no baffles so if I used 5-10 litres and was driving over rough rocky/potholed tracks you could feel the weight of the water transfer from one side to the other as the vehicle moved. Very disconcerting.
For general touring would not get that problem. Do the bladders have the same problem?

I would now use plastic jerry cans or those 10 litre boxes you get from the shops. I used those to drink from while driving to the Simpson so I could conserve the water in the BOAB until I hit the desert. I hindsight I could have just used those.

The only thing I don't like about the boab idea is the hump divides the last 10l.. So if your stationery you'll drain one side and then have to go the other.
Small issue.
But good units.

[megatexture]

Put up some photos of your tank kallen, I'm curious how it fits/ looks specially being 70 ltrs

[threedogs]

wheres the hump in the floor in the back passenger floor on a GU

[BigRAWesty]

wheres the hump in the floor in the back passenger floor on a GU

Boab build it in. So regardless of your car has one or not you have that separation for the last bit..

[BigRAWesty]

Put up some photos of your tank kallen, I'm curious how it fits/ looks specially being 70 ltrs

I'll grab some this arvo for you.
When I do my next one it'll be alloy not stainless.

[sooty_10]

I'll grab some this arvo for you.
When I do my next ten it'll be alloy not stainless.

Fixed for you mate ;) Although I don't see how I could fit a tank behind my seats and drawers, I have blackwidow drawers and a modified milford (now half) cargo barrier to suit.

[threedogs]

I have about 200mm maybe a bit more between the Engel and the arm rest of the rear seat.
After last night I might be getting my 70lt SS one out of my Troopy back, and a heap of other gear

[threedogs]

Just filled my tank to see what water flow was like, I loosened the cap and opened up the ball cock.
Must say very impressed with water flow, happy camper again

[threedogs]

I'll grab some this arvo for you.
When I do my next one it'll be alloy not stainless.

I'd stick to food grade stainless looks better and more importantly tastes better

[threedogs]

The only thing I don't like about the boab idea is the hump divides the last 10l.. So if your stationery you'll drain one side and then have to go the other.
Small issue.
But good units.

dont Boab have outlets on both ends of that style tank

[threedogs]

here's the water flow wont take long to fill a kettle imo

[Sir Roofy]

here's the water flow wont take long to fill a kettle imo

looks good mate quick cuppa on the side of the road now

[BigRAWesty]

dont Boab have outlets on both ends of that style tank

Yea they do. But one side will finish before the other.

Anyway.
You boys. Lol.
Yea I have a custom draw set up.
So my draws sit 380 high from the 3rd row foot well.. so the tank 360 high with a 100mm cut out to step into the foot well,
Is 220 at the top to 330 base, and 700 long. 1 full size baffle, 1x 3/4 outlet, 1 x 4" fill / inspection hole and 2 x 1/2 outlets for a hose gauge and breather.

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[megatexture]

Boab build it in. So regardless of your car has one or not you have that separation for the last bit..

Can't you flip it over?

And Thanks for the pics kallen that's come up nice!

[BigRAWesty]

Can't you flip it over?

And Thanks for the pics kallen that's come up nice!

Umm. Not sure.
And thanks