Back door jerry can holder

[TheFlyingBadger]

I was googling looking for a design for a jerry can holder to go on my roof (i'll get a mate who's handy with the welder to make me one), and i found this.

http://www.karry2.com.au/jerry-can-holder.html

Is that not going to completely bugger the hinges on the barn door? I thought they had enough trouble when you hung a 35 off of it, let alone 20Kg of fuel+can+weight of holder as well!

[patch697]

I was googling looking for a design for a jerry can holder to go on my roof (i'll get a mate who's handy with the welder to make me one), and i found this.

http://www.karry2.com.au/jerry-can-holder.html

Is that not going to completely bugger the hinges on the barn door? I thought they had enough trouble when you hung a 35 off of it, let alone 20Kg of fuel+can+weight of holder as well!

Its not something I'd consider doing thats for sure

[Clunk]

yep, not the best idea I've ever seen lol

[the evil twin]

Can you imagine the torque moment on the door with the weight of the wheel being that far out... goddam...

But, did you guys have a closer look at the dual wheel/twin Jerry Carrier.

At $990 that is easily the cheapest dual rear wheel carrier I've seen and for $1250 you get 2 jerry holders as well but mounted on the rear bar

[Bigrig]

I thought it was illegal now to have Jerry can holders on the back? Am I mistaken??

[the evil twin]

I thought it was illegal now to have Jerry can holders on the back? Am I mistaken??

Dunno... my Camper Trailer has one and its only a couple of years old

[Bigrig]

Dunno... my Camper Trailer has one and its only a couple of years old

Yeah, thought that's where you ha to have them - on a trailer, or up on the roof. Thought there was something bought in with rear carriers due to the potential of ignition etc in the event of rear impact?

[the ferret]

Nah, forget it, within a week you'll have more cracks in the door than you could poke a stick at! Almost an extra 30kg, plus the spare and the leverage is further out.
I wouldn't go there for sure.

[Bob]

Maybe this might help or just confuse you


WHAT IS THE LAW?



WESTERN AUSTRALIA

The WA Dangerous Goods Act 1988, and Dangerous Goods (Transport) (Road and Rail) Regulations
1999, contains the relevant regulations, both of which are based on the Australian Dangerous
Goods Code (ADGC), sixth edition.

The maximum permissible quantity is 250 litres of petrol, which should be carried in approved
containers in either the boot or on external brackets. It can be carried within the passenger
compartment, such as the back of a station wagon, in approved, properly restrained containers,
but this is not recommended.
Contact the Explosives and Dangerous Goods Division of the WA Department of Mineral and
Petroleum Resources for further into (08 9222 333)



QUEENSLAND

The Transport Operations (Road Use Management - Dangerous Goods) Regulation 1998 permits
carrying up to 250 litres of dangerous goods (fuel) for personal use. The responsibility for
filling a jerry can and ensuring it is an approved container lies with the person filling the
container.

Under the Transport Operations (Road Use Management) Act 1995 owners are prohibited from
modifying their vehicle, its parts or equipment, and from carrying dangerous goods
(irrespective of quantity or position), in an unsafe manner.

This includes carrying containers upright, ensuring they don't leak and are properly secured,
and do not overload the vehicle (especially if transported on roof-racks). A booklet titled Load
Restraint Guide (available from Commonwealth Government Bookshops) should be consulted
Write to: Greg Swann, Group Manager, Vehicle Safety and Industry Reform Section,
Queensland Transport, PO Box 673 Fortitude Valley QLD 4006.



SOUTH AUSTRALIA

In South Australia, petrol is covered by the Dangerous Substances Act and Regulations, which are
in turn based on the ADGC; therefore, the same 250- limit applies.

Diesel is unregulated, as elsewhere, but the Department for Administrative and Information
Services advises that petrol (and diesel) transportation would be covered by the general duty of
care provisions contained in Sections 11 and 12 of the Dangerous Substances Act.

The Road Traffic Act has provisions for duly of care relating to vehicle safety issues such as
overhanging loads and impact protection. They also state that, while carrying fuel in the
driver's vapour space (in a van or wagon), is much debated, it is up to each individual driver
to assess their own risk and duty of care provisions when deciding whether to fit a range tank
or carry fuel in jerry cans. Dangerous Substances Branch, Workplace Services (0Cool 8303 0447



VICTORIA

In Victoria, the relevant legislation is the Road Act 1995, which has been adopted from
the, (Dangerous Goods) Act -1995 and the Road Transport (Dangerous Goods) Regulations.

The Regulations reference the ADGC under which Regulation 1.10 exempts small quantities of fuel
from the rigours of the Dangerous Goods legislation. This refers, again, to petrol only. Diesel
is not considered dangerous goods.

They maintain it is the responsibility of the driver items, regardless of type, are firmly and
a fuel should be stored in AS2906 containers minimum requirement.
Write to: Victorian WorkCover Authority, Dangerous Goods Unit
GPO Box 4306 Melbourne Vic 3001



TASMANIA

The Tasmanian government refers these, issues to the Dangerous Goods (Road and Rail Transport)
Regulations 1998, which covers general safety and load restraint safety.

The filling of fuel containers is also covered by AS1940 - Storage and Handling of Combustible
and Flammable Liquids. They advise that a person can carry 250 litres of petrol for private use
(as per the ADOC), but the containers must meet AS2906 Fuel Containers/Portable/Plastics and
Metal.

Tasmanian Vehicle and Traffic (Vehicle Standards) that an object fitted to a vehicle must be
designed, built and maintained to minimise the likelihood of injury. As such, this would
prohibit the fitting of jerry cans containing dangerous or explosive substances to any vehicle
(car,4WD, caravan, trailer), especially given the likelihood of rear or side-impact collisions.

Owners of vehicles should check the 'fine print' of their insurance policies. If fuel is
transported in an unsafe manner and an accident leads to greater damage or injury than might
otherwise have been the case apportion blame to the driver and/or invalidate the policy.
Write to: The Department of Infrastructure, Energy and Resources,
GPO BOX 936 HOBART TAS 7001.



NEW SOUTH WALES

The NSW Environment Protection Authority (EPA) and WorkCover NSW are the competent authorities
for dangerous goods control in NSW. They' administer the Road and Rail Transport (Dangerous
Goods) Act 1997 and the Road Transport Reform (Dangerous Goods) (NSW) Regulations 1998.

Under these laws, jerry cans must be approved containers for the transport of Class 3 liquids
(petrol) (ie, AS2906) and the maximum permissible quantity is 250 litres. Diesel is not
considered a dangerous good, but a combustible, and must be carried in a safe manner.

Division 9.3.1 (1) (e) of the ADGC states that 'if the package (ie, jerry can) contains
dangerous goods of a kind that may lead to the formation of flammable, toxic or other harmful
atmospheres - the package must be stowed so that no harmful atmosphere will accumulate in the
cabin If the package leaks'.

The above would indicate that great care should be taken when storing jerry cans inside a 4WD's
luggage compartment, whether it is a separate boot or part of the passenger compartment. AS2906
containers are designed not to vent to the atmosphere, provided they are in good condition and
the seals/lids are functioning correctly.

Write to: NSW Environment Protection Authority
Dangerous Goods Office
59-61 Goulburn St, Sydney NSW 2000.



NORTHERN TERRITORY.

Only containers which comply with Northern Territory Dangerous Goods Regulation 217 can be used
to transport flammable, (petrol.) and combustible (diesel) fuels. Essentially, this covers
containers complying with AS1533/34 and AS1 940, but 'approved container' is also specified
which indicates that containers complying with AS2906 would also be acceptable.

The Northern Territory Dangerous Goods legislation is b ADGC, which specifies that not more
than 250 litres of petrol can be carried. No quantity is specified for diesel.

Information bulletins are available at www.nt.gov.au/cbb/wha or contact
The Department of Industries and Business, Work Health (0Cool 8999 511 8



AUSTRALIAN CAPITAL TERRITORY

The transport of fuel is covered under the Dangerous Goods Act. 1975, Dangerous, Goods
Regulations 1978, Road Transport Reform (Dangerous Goods) Act 1995 and Road Transport
(Dangerous Goods) Regulations. The latter takes its requirements from the ADGC.

The DGA (1975) Section, 12 and 14 require fuel to be carried in appropriate, containers
to prevent spillage or leakage, and make it an offence to carry fuel in a manner likely to
cause death/injury, or damage to property.

Section 37(1) of the RTR (DIG) Act1 1995 requires fuel be transported in a safe manner.
Sub Section (2) makes it an offence to do so where a person "ought to have known" that what
they were doing was unsafe or likely to cause damage to persons or property.
Contact: ACT WorkCover (Dangerous Goods) (02) 6207 6354.

[Bigrig]

Yep, confused!!! LoL

Thanks mate for the effort. So it seems I can have a rear carrier, so long as it's carried "in a safe manner"????

[the evil twin]

Even without the Jerries... A dual rear wheel carrier for under $1000 is goddam cheap... and he says it is 100 X 50 X 3mm Box.

[MudRunnerTD]

Even without the Jerries... A dual rear wheel carrier for under $1000 is goddam cheap... and he says it is 100 X 50 X 3mm Box.

yeah but have a very close look at the pics he has there. This is NOT a Bumper Replacement! It looks like the mounts go inside the chassis rails and i assume that you either cut big holes in your rear bumper or take the bottom tail lights out and that exposed the end of the chassis rails.

http://www.karry2.com.au/images/extra-spare-large.jpg

Ghee that spare wheel is hanging out there isn't it...

http://www.karry2.com.au/images/dual-spare-wheel-large.jpg

http://www.karry2.com.au/images/toyota-5.jpg

^^^^^^Look at that Tab hanging out the end to open the side of your leg when your walking past

http://www.karry2.com.au/images/toyota-6.jpg

It Looks POX on the back of the GU IV i reckon and the departure angle has been smashed with this thing added to the back.

Looks like junk to me sorry. I can see the extra $$s in the Powerful full bar replacement job, i struggle to see the $4,000 in the ARB one though, nice! but not $4K.

[the evil twin]

I agree, and Yes it is a Dual Wheel Carrier not a Rear Bar with Dual carriers. It sure looks like it bolts to the Chassis Rails hence the reason it is under $1,000 I reckon. Heaps less engineering and materials which is thinking outside the square.

Not saying the design doesn't need some work tho... esp that 'stopper plate' just hanging out there as you pointed out. I also thinks it would be easy to get a better departure angle esp with no Jerry Holders.

I know just the man to do the redesign and fabrication as well if it is viable.

Anyone know of any other Dual Wheel Carriers that use a Thru-Bumper Chassis Rail mounting concept?

[Finly Owner]

everything is wrong...tail lights stick out to side and all. Just grab old MQ spare wheel and jerry can rack and get it fitted.

[the evil twin]

everything is wrong...tail lights stick out to side and all.


I think he actually has 'em flush on the end... it looks crappy from the "fish eye" effect from the Camera lens he used to get the pic... look at the shed roof and the hardstanding.

I'm not so much interested in his Carrier in the flesh just the concept. I know a GUN tradey who could fab up something waaay nicer if the mounting method is viable.

As an aside from earlier... as best I can determine it's OK to have Jerries on the back or on the roof here in W.A. Dunno 'bout the rest of you guys

Indeed, I think it's only illegal to have them in the cabin which makes all the modern hatchbacks and cars with split'fold rear seats an interesting proposition. The regs also seem to be consistent in mentioning 'Petrol' so not sure if they mean Petrol as in specifically Petrol or Petrol as in Hydrocarbon Fuel

[the ferret]

Well I give the bloke a pat fer having a go, not the flashest of fab jobs but he is probably proud of it and it does the job for him.
We all have to start somewhere, I know I did and you'd all probably laugh at my first attemps at welding, I'm a whiz now tho!! he he