Bent up Sill

[SKID]

Went for a drive with a mate on the week end and the track was very deceiving. ended up sliding into a bolder, rolled my side step right up to the point I could'nt open the door, have since taken side steps off and done a little hammering so I can at least open and close my door, but the bottom of my door is rolled in a little and my sill is bent up pretty bad, does anyone have an suggestion's on straightening it out?

[growler2058]

Maybe a slide hammer would do the trick mate

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[MudRunnerTD]

Ummmm bugger. No. Call it credibility and put a new step on or buy some sliders. Very difficult to repair and it won't just pl out.

If you car is a late model then consider an insurance claim. If it's a GQ then consider it a Battle scare mate.

[MudRunnerTD]

If your up for it then tack weld pull points and use the slide as Growler said then pull it out as much as you can then bog, sand and paint.

[threedogs]

Don't they use pop rivets to pull out dents with a special tool.

[MudRunnerTD]

Don't they use pop rivets to pull out dents with a special tool.

Yes that works well too but it you have a welder then just tack weld to the panel rather than drilling a hole in it that you have to bog.

[04OFF]

Panel shops have a slide puller slash spot welder, this tool welds its tip to a panel,then you use the slide hammer part to pull the dent, a small twist is all that is required to release the tool,fast and easy and leaves almost no extra damage or warping to the panel.

Please post pics of your damage and then we can get a better idea of what your going to be up for.

[growler2058]

Panel shops have a slide puller slash spot welder, this tool welds its tip to a panel,then you use the slide hammer part to pull the dent, a small twist is all that is required to release the tool,fast and easy and leaves almost no extra damage or warping to the panel.

Please post pics of your damage and then we can get a better idea of what your going to be up for.

You know a bit about dents do ya SteveO :)

[Rickie3]

I'm a panel beater spray painter by trade, mate post some pics up, you have to be aware that damage will also go beyond the sill, i'm not into the habbit of pulling dents in sills and filling with body filler, I find it far quicker to cut out the effected and weld in a new panel, but if you have comprehensive insurance I would go down that path and make a claim

[megatexture]

i will be doing this soon also then putting my new sliders on(cheers lhurley) not looking forward to fixing my dents,
I’m undecided if I’ll try it myself but i more than likely will as you don’t really see that part of the car with sliders on so i don’t think it needs to be 100%.

Here is a link to another thread using pop rivets but it just depends how extensive your damage is.

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?17924-How-I-repaired-my-sill-damage-(GQ)

[04OFF]

You know a bit about dents do ya SteveO :)


No expert, but may have done one or two small repairs on a troll before (haha)

[SKID]

Please post pics of your damage and then we can get a better idea of what your going to be up for.
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[growler2058]

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WOW MoFO. Gunna take a sh1t load of rivets that 1!!. MMMMMMmmmmmmm id try spot welding the slide hammer option. If that fails just hide it with the steps. I rekon itd cost a mootsa to get someone to weld a new one in unless ya have a crack at that ya self???

[BigRAWesty]

Yea that looks terminal..
I think a cut and replace is needed here

[MudRunnerTD]

Insurance Claim for sure. it looks like you have had a go at it already? was that so you could open the door?

[04OFF]

That's pretty nasty bud, anything can be fixed, but looking at the pics, id be talking to some panel shops at first, even if its just to get a idea on if they/you, have to cut and remove, or you can push/pull and repair.

All this also depends on what the car is worth, and how "fixed" you need it ?

[SKID]

Insurance Claim for sure. it looks like you have had a go at it already? was that so you could open the door?

Yep door wouldnt open..

[SKID]

i will be doing this soon also then putting my new sliders on(cheers lhurley) not looking forward to fixing my dents,
I’m undecided if I’ll try it myself but i more than likely will as you don’t really see that part of the car with sliders on so i don’t think it needs to be 100%.

Here is a link to another thread using pop rivets but it just depends how extensive your damage is.

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?17924-How-I-repaired-my-sill-damage-(GQ)


This guys panel look nearlyas bad as mine, why is everyone saying make an insurance glaim? will cosy me 600 for the excess to start with.. rivits etc will cost alot less..

[Winnie]

Wash the mud off it before you start unlike that guy... haha

[MudRunnerTD]

This guys panel look nearlyas bad as mine, why is everyone saying make an insurance glaim? will cosy me 600 for the excess to start with.. rivits etc will cost alot less..

From what i can see your whole sill is bent out of shape rather than just the outer skin. If you can straighten it out then go for it. The damage to the top of the sill suggests its far worst than a normal Sill crunch mate. Your call though, a bit of stuffing around and you will sort it out though but having a new section cut and installed would be a winner too as suggested by the Panel Beater earlier in the thread.

[menace 2]

looks like the floor would be crimped also ?

[SKID]

looks like the floor would be crimped also ?

Floor doesnt look crimpled, when the side step got bent yo is crushed the bottom sill and pushed the top of it up and in a little..

[SKID]

How much would I be looking at for a replacement sil? and where would I begin looking around brisbane?
I know how to weld..

[megatexture]

Mate I'd be trying to weld on the slide hammer if that fails then try the pop rivets and if all fails cut it out and weld in.

[happygu]

Skid,

You can get the sill from a wreckers .....if you tell them where from and where too, they will cut you out a piece..... if you do this, get it from the door jamb seam, to the underneath seam, to try and join it at the factory joins

Just be aware, it is a fair job to cut and reweld ... not for the faint hearted, but if you have plenty of time have a go....

Mic

[04OFF]

This guys panel look nearlyas bad as mine, why is everyone saying make an insurance glaim? will cosy me 600 for the excess to start with.. rivits etc will cost alot less..


Yours is a fair bit worse old mate, for starters the damage has effected the lower area of your B pillar, keep in mind, looking at the pics from the other thread, im pretty sure the damaged sill has NOT been returned to its "factory" shape on the inside or the outside, like I said in my post earlier "All this also depends on what the car is worth, and how "fixed" you need it ?" so if that is as good a repair as you need, why not just follow down the same path ?

[SKID]

Mate I'd be trying to weld on the slide hammer if that fails then try the pop rivets and if all fails cut it out and weld in.

As in weld the tip of the hammer to the sill? I've seen some pictures of using rivits and attaching slide hammer with vice grips to give more of a pull than just using pliers.. Any advice appreicated..

[MudRunnerTD]

As in weld the tip of the hammer to the sill? I've seen some pictures of using rivits and attaching slide hammer with vice grips to give more of a pull than just using pliers.. Any advice appreicated..

Yeah so if you have a welder then just tack weld the end of the slide hammer to the sill or if you need to give it a lot of big hits then maybe weld something to the sill and a number of spots (chain links or something) that is suitable to hook the slide hammer to and get into it. When you finished your cutting the welds off rather than trying to bog holes drilled.

[happygu]

As in weld the tip of the hammer to the sill? I've seen some pictures of using rivits and attaching slide hammer with vice grips to give more of a pull than just using pliers.. Any advice appreicated..

Skid,

If you can beg or borrow a panel beaters slide hammer, you need to remove the paint with a wire wheel, then spot weld the blind rivet ends in all the areas where you need to pull the panel, then attached the slide hammer to the rivets, and start pulling the panel in small sections at a time.

When you are happy that you have the panel as close as possible to original, twist off the rivets, and start bogging away

Without the right tools it is all about improvising

Mic

[SKID]

As in weld the tip of the hammer to the sill? I've seen some pictures of using rivits and attaching slide hammer with vice grips to give more of a pull than just using pliers.. Any advice appreicated..
I dont want to stuff my slide hammer up for future use, what if I were to weld nuts to the sill and screw the hammer into them to do the pulling, then just break the nuts off when finished?

[happygu]

I dont want to stuff my slide hammer up for future use, what if I were to weld nuts to the sill and screw the hammer into them to do the pulling, then just break the nuts off when finished?

It would work - as it is all about improvising, but you would have a fair bit of grinding/cleaning up to do with this method.

Mic

[Ben-e-boy]

This should make you feel better

Passenger side all todays efforts :D

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Drivers side some old some new :D
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[Alitis007]

This should make you feel better Passenger side all todays efforts :D <img src="http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43524"/> Drivers side some old some new :D <img src="http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43525"/>
Thats factory isn't it Bene??

[04OFF]

Don't tell me the CV is finally fixed !!!

[Ben-e-boy]

Don't tell me the CV is finally fixed !!!

Yeah I fixed that about a month ago. :p

[SKID]

It would work - as it is all about improvising, but you would have a fair bit of grinding/cleaning up to do with this method.

Mic

Spent yesterday pulling the dent down and out, now I've pulled it too far, am thinking about cutting a window in the sill cutting out the worst bit and use dollies etc to straighten things up then close the window by welding a plate over it, will cut a section from an old door I have, then bog the inperfections. But my mate says thats too hard work and recons to bash in what I pulled out too far, but can figure how he expects to get a flat straight edge with out having a dolly of some discription on the inside of the sill to hit against...

[SKID]

This should make you feel better

Passenger side all todays efforts :D

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Drivers side some old some new :D
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I would have been happy if that is all that was done to my sill, ming bent up to the point that the side of the sill was flat under the door.. As per the pic's I posted

[Dales300exc]

Someone fix mine haha

[happygu]

Spent yesterday pulling the dent down and out, now I've pulled it too far, am thinking about cutting a window in the sill cutting out the worst bit and use dollies etc to straighten things up then close the window by welding a plate over it, will cut a section from an old door I have, then bog the inperfections. But my mate says thats too hard work and recons to bash in what I pulled out too far, but can figure how he expects to get a flat straight edge with out having a dolly of some discription on the inside of the sill to hit against...

Just tap it back in if you have pulled it too far.

If you have stretched it too much, once you have tapped it back, you can try shrinking it a little with an Oxy Set

Mic

[happygu]

This should make you feel better

Passenger side all todays efforts :D

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Drivers side some old some new :D
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Well done Ben,

You only have short sills to aim at ....:p

[megatexture]

I need this tool http://youtu.be/LkX638DEsh0

[MudRunnerTD]

I need this tool http://youtu.be/LkX638DEsh0

That's awesome!! I want one too!

[SKID]

I need this tool http://youtu.be/LkX638DEsh0


Mine was bent up way worse than that, to the pint with top of the sill whhich should have a right angle was folder and bent up under and the right angle was a huge lip. ended yp cutting out a window in the sill, bent back into shape and cut a section from an old dented door to weld on the inside, still have a bit of bogging to do.

[SKID]

Mine was bent up way worse than that, to the pint with top of the sill whhich should have a right angle was folder and bent up under and the right angle was a huge lip. ended yp cutting out a window in the sill, bent back into shape and cut a section from an old dented door to weld on the inside, still have a bit of bogging to do.

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[MudRunnerTD]

Hit that with a belt sander now mate.

As discussed earlier in the thread the deformation of your sill meant that cutting it out and replacing it with a new section was a good call. What you have done is a compromise and that's fine mate, I made the same compromise on my GQ.

That little spot welder is SENSATIONAL!!!!

[SKID]

Hit that with a belt sander now mate.

As discussed earlier in the thread the deformation of your sill meant that cutting it out and replacing it with a new section was a good call. What you have done is a compromise and that's fine mate, I made the same compromise on my GQ.

That little spot welder is SENSATIONAL!!!!

had no option, rang around a few wreckers and told them what I was after and they said they would go and check, but no one got back to me, so had to make do with what I got here.... Now to chase a belt sander...

[gaddy]

Must be the time of year , only small damage , but enough to catch the corner of the door , also found that the brackets for 3 of the flair clips were non existent . So shaped a few bits of pine , glued to the flair , and stainless screwed from behind 44064440654406544066

[gaddy]

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[Yendor]

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Was that damage from the Glass House trip?

[gaddy]

Was that damage from the Glass House trip?

Yeah mate , can't rush these things lol

[megatexture]

Mate you need this kit http://m.youtube.com/results?q=glue+on+dent+puller&sm=3

[Yendor]

Yeah mate , can't rush these things lol

I hear ya mate. I only just got around to replacing the broken clip on mine.

[gaddy]

It will go to the pannel beaters , when I get sliders sorted !

[megatexture]

Ive got my sliders here waiting for me to fix the dents first

[lhurley]

Ive got my sliders here waiting for me to fix the dents first

I was gona say, speaking of sliders... Mega?

[megatexture]

Still havent moved or even looked at them yet lol ill start pulling the dent soon though lol

[Yendor]

Bolsys are suppling DIY slider kits starting from $300

[megatexture]

QUOTE=gaddy;502943]Must be the time of year , only small damage , but enough to catch the corner of the door , also found that the brackets for 3 of the flair clips were non existent . So shaped a few bits of pine , glued to the flair , and stainless screwed from behind 44064440654406544066[/QUOTE]



Mate try this method it may just save you some coin also

http://m.youtube.com/results?q=heat+gun+dent+removal&sm=1

[gaddy]

Bolsys are suppling DIY slider kits starting from $300

A mate is supposed to be doing a set for me , but Christmas my come first , but if I wait they should be something special and blingy !

[megatexture]

Just make sure they are sliders you can jack the car off as I had tjm steps/brush bars and I pushed them into the body doing more damage then good! And they are now bent like a banana

[lhurley]

Just make sure they are sliders you can jack the car off as I had tjm steps/brush bars and I pushed them into the body doing more damage then good! And they are now bent like a banana

My old/your new sliders are bolsys. Welded by him. Hopefully you'll be happy once you fit them. I was at least.

IMO sliders are worth their weight in gold. Ever dollar spent on sliders is a dollar not spent on panel damage and doors not being openable.

[gaddy]

My old/your new sliders are bolsys. Welded by him. Hopefully you'll be happy once you fit them. I was at least.

IMO sliders are worth their weight in gold. Ever dollar spent on sliders is a dollar not spent on panel damage and doors not being openable.

Too true
And yes mega

[love ke70]

had no option, rang around a few wreckers and told them what I was after and they said they would go and check, but no one got back to me, so had to make do with what I got here.... Now to chase a belt sander...

I could have sold you a cut out of the wagon I am wrecking, you are still welcome to it if you decide to have another go at this.

[Ben-e-boy]

I could have sold you a cut out of the wagon I am wrecking, you are still welcome to it if you decide to have another go at this.

I might be interested in that

[love ke70]

Did you do drivers or passengers?

I only have drivers left...

[love ke70]

drivers remaining

IE, i have sold the passengers one.

drivers left just sounds confusing...

[Ben-e-boy]

I need both lol more so drivers side

[love ke70]

lol, just hide it with sliders, worked for me...


if you decide you do want it, just PM me :)

[Ben-e-boy]

Too easy wont be for a while I am basically tied up working away until August

[SKID]

I could have sold you a cut out of the wagon I am wrecking, you are still welcome to it if you decide to have another go at this.

How much? also might be after a tierod, that goes behind the front diff, as I bent mine on a club night run last night.

[love ke70]

PM sent910

[SKID]

Did you do drivers or passengers?

I only have drivers left...

Drivers side sill

[SKID]

Drivers side sill

And possible drivers door if you have one, as my door got bend up and rolled in at the bottom and is a bugger to straighten from the damage the side step cause when I bent it and the sill up....

[SKID]

And possible drivers door if you have one, as my door got bend up and rolled in at the bottom and is a bugger to straighten from the damage the side step cause when I bent it and the sill up....
Any update on the pic's of the sill.

Thanks

[love ke70]

pics coming.

I took them over a week ago, and I have just had a massive week with work. sorry, I will send them to your PM in 5 minutes once they are uploaded to photobucket.

Cheers, Andy

[SKID]

pics coming.

I took them over a week ago, and I have just had a massive week with work. sorry, I will send them to your PM in 5 minutes once they are uploaded to photobucket.

Cheers, Andy

Thanks Matie

[love ke70]

Did the pics come through alright?
flick me a PM if you are keen and wanna talk price :)

Cheers, Andy

[Parksy]

Sorry for interrupting, very rude of me, but maybe we can have some pics also?

[love ke70]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c292/arowland2/2014-05-11151106_zps88ea6665.jpg (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/arowland2/media/2014-05-11151106_zps88ea6665.jpg.html)

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c292/arowland2/2014-05-11151122_zps5804a2a6.jpg (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/arowland2/media/2014-05-11151122_zps5804a2a6.jpg.html)

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c292/arowland2/2014-05-11151109_zps63355245.jpg (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/arowland2/media/2014-05-11151109_zps63355245.jpg.html)

Not very exciting, just a straight old sill.
Let the bidding begin? :-P

Cheers, Andy