52inch LED bar. $29 + Delivery

[Winnie]

Guys you're exaggerating how cheap China is... They will be paying over 200 dollars a bar. There are so many sellers of the exact same thing, I guarantee if they are paying 50 bucks for them they would cut each others throat and sell them at like 52 dollars or else they'll get no sales.

[oncedisturbed]

Got a reply offering alternate products at "fair / best price" but no indication of what the product is or cost

[Winnie]

Last night I said I would accept a single row 30" bar (it would suit my needs better than the huge mofo lol) and they said they would offer it to me at their best price... lol. I did not even ask their best price I just said that they could get out of having to send the more expensive one by sending the smaller one.

[Maxhead]

I reckon if everyone tells them "no light NO deal" and tell them if you dont get your light you WILL leave negative feedback, This will make them reconsider the deal.
After all feedback is their business

[Alitis007]

Good on you blokes if you get another light but i thought about it and thought i'm not a scammer so why should i rip them off for what ever reason they botched the the price of the listing, hacked or not i'd rather get my money back then cockroach another product off them. If i they had done something to me then sure i'd rip into 'em but they haven't. So good luck blokes !!

[Maxhead]

Good on you blokes if you get another light but i thought about it and thought i'm not a scammer so why should i rip them off for what ever reason they botched the the price of the listing, hacked or not i'd rather get my money back then cockroach another product off them. If i they had done something to me then sure i'd rip into 'em but they haven't. So good luck blokes !!


They sold a light at a price and now they're lying about what happened. Clearly they were not hacked. This has been confirmed by eBay.
As posted above if they came out and said "sorry we stuffed up, would you kindly accept out offer of apology", there would be no problems.
They are constantly lying through their teeth and still selling the same product. Anyway thats how I look at it:) Happy says...LOL

[Winnie]

What they've done is scammed 400 people into thinking they've gotten a cheap light... then they tell them all sorry we can't supply it but we give you a 5% storewide discount...... great advertising for them, suddenly they've got 400 people looking through their entire eBay store.
Well..... that's what they hoped would happen anyway.

[TPC]

I don't believe it was deliberate I think they just F...up, it would be to risky to deliberately do it because of the negative feedback and financial loss.
They should have told the truth from the start but I have let it pass and accepted the refund.

[lucus30]

Good on you blokes if you get another light but i thought about it and thought i'm not a scammer so why should i rip them off for what ever reason they botched the the price of the listing, hacked or not i'd rather get my money back then cockroach another product off them. If i they had done something to me then sure i'd rip into 'em but they haven't. So good luck blokes !!

Same mate I agree and have received my refund. I bought it on the off chance it was genuine.

[Alitis007]

They sold a light at a price and now they're lying about what happened. Clearly they were not hacked. This has been confirmed by eBay.
As posted above if they came out and said "sorry we stuffed up, would you kindly accept out offer of apology", there would be no problems.
They are constantly lying through their teeth and still selling the same product. Anyway thats how I look at it:) Happy says...LOL

I get what your saying mate and you can do what you like lol but i see it in another way... Check next reply haha


What they've done is scammed 400 people into thinking they've gotten a cheap light... then they tell them all sorry we can't supply it but we give you a 5% storewide discount...... great advertising for them, suddenly they've got 400 people looking through their entire eBay store.
Well..... that's what they hoped would happen anyway.

Your right great great publicity stunt and its really great marketing! What you just said winnie is what i was thinking, its a ploy to boost sales they said they give you another product at a discounted price which means you have to spend more money with them, your not gonna get another product for 22$ but give them an extra 10$ For example and you'll get something else. The scam would be if they said they would give a store credit and not a refund to force you to buy from them , then it would be a different story.

[mudski]

They never offered me any discounts. Just a refund. Boohoo:(

[threedogs]

Refunded in full today and 5% for next time NOT
5 stars left

[P4trol]

Next time?! You mean your next led bar will be only $$210?

Also, there must be some sort of embargo on the feedback. Most of the neutral feedback is stating long postage/not received.

The latest negative feedback says that it doesn't fit a Goldwing.

[threedogs]

no reason I see to give him bad feed back we were all trying to get a cheap light bar,
if I got it good ,,if not no big deal I get them cheap anyway.

[lucus30]

no reason I see to give him bad feed back we were all trying to get a cheap light bar,
if I got it good ,,if not no big deal I get them cheap anyway.

I agree with TD and I won't be leaving any feedback

[megatexture]

Nor will I being a happy little camper with a bar I'm gonna give them great feedback!

[megatexture]

They have been getting good and bad reviews on this item since yesterday

[Clunk]

have a look at the item specifics (not the heading) and pay close attention to the pricing of this listing http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/300W-54inch-Spot-beam-LED-Work-Light-Bar-Offroad-Car-Truck-SUV-Boat-Trailer-Lamp-/111301228686?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19ea11f88e&_uhb=1.......... look familiar and again stock in Sydney????

[Family4x4]

Never mind that clunk here is the exact same add as we purchased re listed.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/300W-SUPER-BRIGHT-LED-WORK-LIGHT-BAR-4x4-4WD-ATV-UTE-TRUCK-DRIVING-OFFROAD-lAMP-/310710964933?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4857d112c5&_uhb=1

[Bloodyaussie]

Who has a good letter they have written up....?

[threedogs]

@ BA I reckon Mega texture is the man for a letter

[mudski]

greed does strange things to people.

What he said...

I really think this thread need to be closed.

[Clunk]

What he said...

I really think this thread need to be closed.

Nothing to do with greed mate, I was just wanting my money back but haven't even received that yet!!!!!

[Bloodyaussie]

I must admit I am a little turned around on this as I have barely received any word from them even though I have messaged them 3 times now........ I am starting to want to put the boot in!!!!

[Clunk]

I must admit I am a little turned around on this as I have barely received any word from them even though I have messaged them 3 times now........ I am starting to want to put the boot in!!!!

My sentiments exactly

[mudski]

Nothing to do with greed mate, I was just wanting my money back but haven't even received that yet!!!!!

I'm not referring to getting your coin back mate. Not at all. Nevermind, I'll shut up... :)
I'll be putting the boot in too to get my money back, but they would have a lot of refunds to process...We just need to wait a bit and if nothing comes back, lodge a claim and PayPal with do the refund for you....

[Bloodyaussie]

What is starting to get me pissed about it all is the different responses they give depending on who said what to them??

But from a completely different angle we all knew full well what was going on from the start and were trying to get something for nothing!!!

I already have 2 light bars... do I need 4??? I am just as guilty ..... he he!!!

[macca86]

What he said...

I really think this thread need to be closed.


Why do you think it needs to be closed?
We are all just seeing what's going on with the claim and see if we can get these bars or get our money back. It's all fun and games no one is seriously expecting the lights
What makes you think you get to determine this post gets closed?

[Dhuck]

Never mind that clunk here is the exact same add as we purchased re listed.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/300W-SUPER-BRIGHT-LED-WORK-LIGHT-BAR-4x4-4WD-ATV-UTE-TRUCK-DRIVING-OFFROAD-lAMP-/310710964933?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4857d112c5&_uhb=1

Has gone up a couple of dollars

[mudski]

Why do you think it needs to be closed?
We are all just seeing what's going on with the claim and see if we can get these bars or get our money back. It's all fun and games no one is seriously expecting the lights
What makes you think you get to determine this post gets closed?

Sorry I thought I did read a few posts that people were trying to take it further and get their lights, full knowing the stuff up. I obviously though wrong. Disregard my above comments then...

[XT43]

Played nice and asked what he'd do for the money I paid on the initial cock up.

Said he'd do this which should make a nice work light off the back, better than a kick in the teeth for the money spent.

http://m.ebay.com.au/itm?itemId=111299727091

[mudski]

Link don't work. It says the item has been removed...

[MEGOMONSTER]

Just agreed with him to refund plus compensation.
Let's see if it comes through.

[XT43]

Link don't work. It says the item has been removed...

Fixed, stoopid phone....

[NissanGQ4.2]

Sorry, but all I can say is SUCKERS!!!!!!!!! he had piss poor feedback 2 start with and anyone in there right mind would not of bought one, as they say if it seems 2 good 2 be true it usually is.

Don't know what your all whinging about.

P.S: I have 10,0000 GQ's and 10,0000 GU's various models all in excellent condition for sale on ebay at the moment going for 100 bucks buy now, will post up the link for any suckers

[megatexture]

fark it im not afraid to say im going for the light, at the end of the day they farked up, suck it up and learn from your mistakes i say!

and its not even going on my car lmao ill be giving it to my apprentice

[jc84]

Sorry I thought I did read a few posts that people were trying to take it further and get their lights, full knowing the stuff up. I obviously though wrong. Disregard my above comments then...

No your right, I'm guilty of what your saying. Although I am not expecting the light that was in the original listing I am going to push it right to the very end.
Yeah, the seller stuffed up and has happily offered to refund +$20 and 5% off, but there is no rule that says I have to accept a refund, as far as I'm concerned I'm not doing anything wrong. I may be exercising my rite to be a prick, but if he wants to play this game in Australia he has to accept ebay Australia's rules.
Worst case for him he keeps saying "no light no light, me hacked!" and paypal takes the $43 off him after a claim dispute and i leave negative feedback (well within my rights) Maybe ebay give him a bit of a reaming out, depends how many others take it that far, but that's nothing really major, but is the risk worth whatever cost price + shipping - $43 is?
Well that's what I aim on finding out, why is that such a bad thing?
If I sold you my house for $10,000 and signed a deed transfer and everything legal was done and you had given me the $10,000, why should you have to give me my house back just because i offered you your 10k back and told you some bogus story about being on LSD or crank.
Pretty sure (unless your a Buddhist maybe) you'd tell me I was the biggest fool on earth and you'd laugh your way to the bank.



Sorry, but all I can say is SUCKERS!!!!!!!!! he had piss poor feedback 2 start with and anyone in there right mind would not of bought one, as they say if it seems 2 good 2 be true it usually is.

Don't know what your all whinging about.

P.S: I have 10,0000 GQ's and 10,0000 GU's various models all in excellent condition for sale on ebay at the moment going for 100 bucks buy now, will post up the link for any suckers

How are we suckers, no-one here will loose a cent? Some will even make money. When was the last time you invested money anywhere (legal) and got a 46% return + your capital back after just three days?

Also his piss-poor feedback read's over 10900 items sold with 98.7% positive. I'm beginning to think some people on this site can't read for sh1t.

I'll take all 100,000 of those GQ's so long as you accept Paypal?

[meh]

By the way. The seller is female. She rang my brother in law

[megatexture]

For what reason.

[jc84]

oh...ummm...did she sound hot?

haha kidding, but is there a paraphrased thread friendly version of the conversation?


Wasting money on damn phone calls, they should be saving those Yuan (chinese$) so they can post him his bar damnit!

[MEGOMONSTER]

Refund and compensation received.
That was easy money.

[meh]

For what reason.

he isnt sure. She doesnt speak english too well

[TPC]

Refund and compensation received.
That was easy money.
I have received mine too.

[megatexture]

he isnt sure. She doesnt speak english too well

Lmao ye I thought it would have been interesting

[NissanGQ4.2]

No your right, I'm guilty of what your saying. Although I am not expecting the light that was in the original listing I am going to push it right to the very end.
Yeah, the seller stuffed up and has happily offered to refund +$20 and 5% off, but there is no rule that says I have to accept a refund, as far as I'm concerned I'm not doing anything wrong. I may be exercising my rite to be a prick, but if he wants to play this game in Australia he has to accept ebay Australia's rules.
Worst case for him he keeps saying "no light no light, me hacked!" and paypal takes the $43 off him after a claim dispute and i leave negative feedback (well within my rights) Maybe ebay give him a bit of a reaming out, depends how many others take it that far, but that's nothing really major, but is the risk worth whatever cost price + shipping - $43 is?
Well that's what I aim on finding out, why is that such a bad thing?
If I sold you my house for $10,000 and signed a deed transfer and everything legal was done and you had given me the $10,000, why should you have to give me my house back just because i offered you your 10k back and told you some bogus story about being on LSD or crank.
Pretty sure (unless your a Buddhist maybe) you'd tell me I was the biggest fool on earth and you'd laugh your way to the bank.




How are we suckers, no-one here will loose a cent? Some will even make money. When was the last time you invested money anywhere (legal) and got a 46% return + your capital back after just three days?

Also his piss-poor feedback read's over 10900 items sold with 98.7% positive. I'm beginning to think some people on this site can't read for sh1t.

I'll take all 100,000 of those GQ's so long as you accept Paypal?

Do you think he /she give's a sh!t if you or 4000 odd more people leave him / her poor feedback not likely, and I can read hence why I never bought one, and for pay pal no I don't have pay pal they are as useless as tits on a bull. Direct deposit into my account will be fine. Thank you please come again

[the evil twin]

snip...
Also his piss-poor feedback read's over 10900 items sold with 98.7% positive. I'm beginning to think some people on this site can't read for sh1t.



98.7 is pretty shitty feedback in my book.
That means 1 in every 40 odd customers has had a negative experience or in his case 250 odd
I won't buy from anyone with more than a thousand reviews who has a score below 99.5 and even then I check why.

But... I agree his feedback is irrelevant in this case.

A genuine transaction is not why the mob went after this dude, the seagulls spotted a whole bag of chippies to swoop on :1062:

I'm gobsmacked he is doing more than just refunding the money actually

[NissanGQ4.2]

Your ebay password is your responsibility and yours alone. If my account was hacked and the hacker purchased hundreds of your most expensive items you would be expecting payment wouldn't you, so why should it be different for me?

So if your computer was hacked and the hacker got your banked details and withdrew all your money, I'm guessing you wouldn't expect the bank to refund any off the money because it wasn't there fault

[Alitis007]

I think i assessed this situation incorrectly and gave them the benefit of the doubt, as long as i get my coin back then happy days! If you lot want to have fun with this fool go for your life's lol.

Maybe they're money laundering for the mafia by paying compensation hahahaa!!

[Family4x4]

I felt a bit scummy chasing them and I have tired of the whole situation. I have accepted a refund and $15 compensation.

As Megomonster said it was easy money, even though the seller has some what shirked responsibility.

I would prefer a light bar but am happy enough with the compensation.

[jc84]

Do you think he /she give's a sh!t if you or 4000 odd more people leave him / her poor feedback not likely, and I can read hence why I never bought one, and for pay pal no I don't have pay pal they are as useless as tits on a bull. Direct deposit into my account will be fine. Thank you please come
again

Read, yes, but comprehend what you are reading? I'll give you the short version of what happens when a seller doesn't send an item, NB their account was hacked or not makes absolutely no difference. When you are a seller on ebay, you agree to certain policies, some of these policies state that if you sell something you are required to send an item that matches the description in the listing. If your business is selling on ebay (and with almost 11,000 feedback it's safe to assume this guys's/girl's is) you need to keep the ebay overlords happy. You keep them happy by avoiding things called seller non-conformance's. A seller non-conformance occur when buyers (i.e. us in this case) either don't receive the item, or receive an item that does not match the description. Ebay adjudicates this dispute between the seller and buyer and then makes a ruling on it. If they find the seller at fault for not sending an item or not sending an item that matches the description they can; make that users 'for sale' items show up much lower in searches and stop the user from having the ability to sell anything on ebay (they can only be a buyer).
So this guy/girl has spent the last 2 years and 3 months selling light-bars and other stuff on ebay, has almost 11,000 feedback and you think they're going to risk ebay pulling the plug on their selling ability or make that 11,000 feedback account for absolutely shit all? Hell f**king no, they will do a lot to make the last two years of work not be ended up one stuff up.
Yeah if i left bad feedback that's probably not going to amount to shit, but enough claim disputes that ebay has to deal with from this seller, ebay has powers much worse then bad feedback.

And with regard to your 100,000 GQ's, if you don't accept paypal i'm not buying 1, nor would I have bought one of these Lightbars if the seller didn't accept paypal.
I'm also pretty sure no-one on this topic would have bought one if the seller didn't accept paypal.

And also as you didn't buy one, why are you on page 30 of this topic? Or on this topic at all?


98.7 is pretty shitty feedback in my book.
That means 1 in every 40 odd customers has had a negative experience or in his case 250 odd
I won't buy from anyone with more than a thousand reviews who has a score below 99.5 and even then I check why.

But... I agree his feedback is irrelevant in this case.

A genuine transaction is not why the mob went after this dude, the seagulls spotted a whole bag of chippies to swoop on :1062:

I'm gobsmacked he is doing more than just refunding the money actually

Yeah a refund + extra is really something.
Haha your seagul analogy is a crack up, except in this case the seaguls bought the chips and are entitled to them, legally.

Yeah the feedback is...well i still thought it was worth a shot with the paypal backup, but I do have a usual LED guy on ebay, 34,000 feedback and 100% :)

[mudski]

Sorry, but all I can say is SUCKERS!!!!!!!!! he had piss poor feedback 2 start with and anyone in there right mind would not of bought one, as they say if it seems 2 good 2 be true it usually is.

Don't know what your all whinging about.

P.S: I have 10,0000 GQ's and 10,0000 GU's various models all in excellent condition for sale on ebay at the moment going for 100 bucks buy now, will post up the link for any suckers
That feedback is not piss poor considering they have over 10k feedback. 98.6% is still good. Considering the feedback count would be over 20K if everyone left feedback.

[jc84]

So if your computer was hacked and the hacker got your banked details and withdrew all your money, I'm guessing you wouldn't expect the bank to refund any off the money because it wasn't there fault


Sorry mate I don't follow, your now comparing a bank with ebay? Do you know for sure that your bank covers you for cyber theft, most don't. Meaning your password is your responsibility, if the moneys not in your account, it's what's commonly referred to as gooonnneeeeee.

I can only go on ebays terms and conditions, which this seller agreed to hence why he is selling things on ebay.com.au

[Clunk]

Sooooooo quick question...... Once the refund is showing in PayPal, does that then get transferred back into the original account the money came from?

And yes I also had a good hard think about taking it further but at the end of the day, I just got bored and couldn't be bothered. Would I do it again.... Hell yeah in a heart beat, coz you just never know, you may just be lucky enough to get it.

To all of those who are still at it, good luck to you. To all of those who bowed out and got their coin back well done. And to those of you who didn't "swoop" like a seagull after some chippies, get off your moral high horses.

And ET no way having a dig mate, just liked your coin of phrase so used it ;):D:thumbup:

[Family4x4]

Sooooooo quick question...... Once the refund is showing in PayPal, does that then get transferred back into the original account the money came from?

And yes I also had a good hard think about taking it further but at the end of the day, I just got bored and couldn't be bothered. Would I do it again.... Hell yeah in a heart beat, coz you just never know, you may just be lucky enough to get it.

To all of those who are still at it, good luck to you. To all of those who bowed out and got their coin back well done. And to those of you who didn't "swoop" like a seagull after some chippies, get off your moral high horses.

And ET no way having a dig mate, just liked your coin of phrase so used it ;):D:thumbup:

It should do in 3 to 5 days, it may disappear for a few days, I.E. not in pay pal or your bank account.

[Clunk]

It should do in 3 to 5 days, it may disappear for a few days, I.E. not in pay pal or your bank account.

Cheers mate

[Alitis007]

Sooooooo quick question...... Once the refund is showing in PayPal, does that then get transferred back into the original account the money came from?

And yes I also had a good hard think about taking it further but at the end of the day, I just got bored and couldn't be bothered. Would I do it again.... Hell yeah in a heart beat, coz you just never know, you may just be lucky enough to get it.

To all of those who are still at it, good luck to you. To all of those who bowed out and got their coin back well done. And to those of you who didn't "swoop" like a seagull after some chippies, get off your moral high horses.

And ET no way having a dig mate, just liked your coin of phrase so used it ;):D:thumbup:

For you to transfer the cash to your account i think it costs you $$ and takes a day or 2 so you could just leave it there till you purchase something else. From memory i think it was $2 for every $50

[jc84]

So if your computer was hacked and the hacker got your banked details and withdrew all your money, I'm guessing you wouldn't expect the bank to refund any off the money because it wasn't there fault

Wait...I think it get it now, in your scenario of the hacker hacking my online banking details and stealing my money, the hacker is played by this ebay seller, as he's the one that takes the money. I am still the victom because i've still had the money taken off with nothing in return. haha.

But in seriousness, banks don't cover cybertheft, thats why they have daily transfer limits, activation codes usually sent via sms if you want to add a new external transfer account, the fact that you can't change you phone number or postal address online. You need to go into a branch for that and show them ID.
So really the only way a hacker could transfer money anywhere but my usual external transfer account numbers (who would all happily refund the money) would be via Bpay....how many hackers are going to use bpay....
I.E there's enough security built into your online banking that you need not stay up late guarding your password and access code, rest easy my friend.

That is unless ofcourse you mean the hacker hacked into the bank and stole money, which wouldn't bother you either.

[Family4x4]

For you to transfer the cash to your account i think it costs you $$ and takes a day or 2 so you could just leave it there till you purchase something else. From memory i think it was $2 for every $50

I don't think if it is a refund there is the 2.5% charge on the money going out. I'am not certain though.

[megatexture]

Just use the refund for some led light strips. ;)

[Clunk]

For you to transfer the cash to your account i think it costs you $$ and takes a day or 2 so you could just leave it there till you purchase something else. From memory i think it was $2 for every $50


I don't think if it is a refund there is the 2.5% charge on the money going out. I'am not certain though.
I can see the refund but doesn't show as available in PayPal, so will check accounts tomorrow...... Cheers guys

[NissanGQ4.2]

Wait...I think it get it now, in your scenario of the hacker hacking my online banking details and stealing my money, the hacker is played by this ebay seller, as he's the one that takes the money. I am still the victom because i've still had the money taken off with nothing in return. haha.

But in seriousness, banks don't cover cybertheft, thats why they have daily transfer limits, activation codes usually sent via sms if you want to add a new external transfer account, the fact that you can't change you phone number or postal address online. You need to go into a branch for that and show them ID.
So really the only way a hacker could transfer money anywhere but my usual external transfer account numbers (who would all happily refund the money) would be via Bpay....how many hackers are going to use bpay....
I.E there's enough security built into your online banking that you need not stay up late guarding your password and access code, rest easy my friend.

That is unless ofcourse you mean the hacker hacked into the bank and stole money, which wouldn't bother you either.

I do not know what the policy is for banks when it comes to cybertheft, I do know when someone else gets your credit card details and makes purchases with it your money gets reimbursed.

I do know activation codes for transfers 2 new accounts via sms is not fool proof and hackers have already worked around it

And there will never be enough security built into online banking, hackers / thieves are always one step in front

[mudski]

Just imagine the next meetup if we all got the lights. We'd light up camp like the MCG!

[Winnie]

I have not heard from them at all today.

[P4trol]

Or sit around in the dark bitching about how they sent us dud lights.

[jc84]

I do not know what the policy is for banks when it comes to cybertheft, I do know when someone else gets your credit card details and makes purchases with it your money gets reimbursed.

I do know activation codes for transfers 2 new accounts via sms is not fool proof and hackers have already worked around it

And there will never be enough security built into online banking, hackers / thieves are always one step in front

Yep I agree, like the old movie swordfish said the best hackers are the ones that people never even knew where there (or something like that). And I'm sure there probably enough of them getting around. I also know that non-approved purchases get refunded when on credit card, but that takes quite a while ANDDDD credit card companies have fraud insurance that covers that and then the fraudsters sometimes get caught and sometimes they drop the soap. Anyrate, I'm still unsure of what the analogy between hackers hacking accounts and fleecing money and now credit cards refunding unapproved purchases and our dealings with this ebay seller is. Please enlighten me? In plain English, not another confusing similar situation.

I still stand by the point that once a hacker took money from anyone's account (weather or not they can do it being beside the point) its gone, it's gone for good. The bank wont give it back to you.
The banks not going to just turn around and give you money, after all they don't make billions in profit by giving it away, Yes I would ask the bank about cyber theft insurance if it happened to me, but wouldn't be hope-full of seeing a cent back.

BUT you have to remember that's in a banking world, where the banks make the rules, those same rules do not apply in an ebay world where ebay makes the rules. And ebays rules clearly state, once the buyer commits to buying and item from a seller he has to pay the seller and the seller has to send an item which matches the items descriptions. That's it. End of story. There is no 'get out of posting an item free' card if his account was hacked or the price was a type-o or bloody godzilla attacked.
There is also no clause about the buyer having to accept refunds.

So as it stands according to the ebay law I am well withing my Ebay buying rights to argue with this seller and Mr Ebay and I both expect him to send me a 52" 300W combination spot/flood light, N.B. I expect him to, yet I do not think he will.
I've already admitted that I like to argue and will continue to do so happily for the next 37 days with this seller, I have also already admitted that I am happy to exercising my right to be a prick when I am in the right. At the end of the 37 days of messaging this seller the worse outcome for me is that i have to lodge a claim that the item was never sent and after a while paypal give me 100% money back.
Worst case for the seller is that paypal takes my money off him(no biggie he's already offered a refund +20$), he receives negative feedback (no biggie here either he already has a few hundred of these as we've discussed) and the fact that another item that this seller has sold hasn't been posted and they have another seller non-conformance (I want to know if the difference between what the seller is going to loose out on a 52" bar is worth another non-conformance).

My best guess on what's going to happen is that he'll keep making excuses until he get's tied/bored/lazy/annoyed and just wait it out, paypal will only take what I paid nothing extra, and he wouldn't be bothered by another negative feedback, and nothing will probably happen with Ebay and nonconforming. I.E. I am not hope-full on seeing a light-bar of any kind, I can't force him to send one nor do I think he will.

Yet you seem to have a problem with me not wanting to take his money plus some extra cash to leave positive feedback and have a laugh about it. Yet when all this is over I'll most likely only get my $43 back, and that's it. No other light-bars, no extra money as some have (no disrespect to those that did).

The evidence is pretty clear to me that it would have been a typo in the price (22.99 in place of 229.90 or whatever). If it had been a hacking, then why wasn't the price $50, or $1 buy it now for that matter? If there had been a hacking then ebay australia should have known something about it either via ebay hongkong as the seller said or Ebay Australia themselves.
If the seller had come out and said 'hey really sorry but i stuffed up' I can surely say I would have just taken the refund +$5 and 5% discount as first offered. But it was all the bullshit stories that they came up with, 'hackers', then 'yes you can have the light ex china and there'll be a long wait', then 'sorry no stock in china', then 'sorry the dog ate the last lightbar then I ate him'. That is what ticked me off.

But I'm still dying to know where the link is between what hackers and banks and credit cards do and this Lightbar on ebay???

Could be getting a little off topic, but speak when spoken to and all that.

[rottodiver]

I have had my credit card scammed twice and my bank account once ... All up about twenty thousand dollars... The banks gave back every cent although it took about 6 weeks on memory.... Mum also had hers scammed for thousands and again money back.....

Never really have to worry about the banks as far as that is concerned..

Scotty

[jc84]

That's some shocking luck, but good to hear you got it back.

[Maxhead]

I have not heard from them at all today.

You're being too nice mate...Lol. Simply tell them, you will leave neg feedback if they don't send what you want.;)

I love playing these games but getting sick of replying every half hour and going around in circles with this mob..Lol

So far I have been offered a 13"led bar or refund +$20 +10%discount.

OK, OK, one more push...hahaha

[Winnie]

Yep I just woke up to an email with the offer of the 13" bar. Told them the least I would settle for is a single row 30 inch bar

[jc84]

I think the seller must have been hacked again...

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/300W-55inch-30000LM-LED-Work-Light-Bar-Offroad-Lamp-ATV-Boat-Spot-Beam-WD-234W-/111258684279?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19e788cb77


Although this add says 55" bar, the dimensions are the same in the description as the one in our auction.

Pricing seems to be the first number the seller thinks of when they get out of bed in the morning. I've seen this same bar for sale for; $242, $409 and now $968

[Winnie]

I think the seller must have been hacked again...

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/300W-55inch-30000LM-LED-Work-Light-Bar-Offroad-Lamp-ATV-Boat-Spot-Beam-WD-234W-/111258684279?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19e788cb77


Although this add says 55" bar, the dimensions are the same in the description as the one in our auction.

Pricing seems to be the first number the seller thinks of when they get out of bed in the morning. I've seen this same bar for sale for; $242, $409 and now $968

1 item sold today for $283.45
WTF!!!!! These pricks are f***ed!

[ova50]

Regarding Feedback:
About 2 years back I had issues with a business I purchased an item from, through ebay. It went on for about 5 or 6 weeks :mad:.
They were giving me the run around and then contradicting their own replies and lies.
I told them I am going to leave negative feed back and their reply was.
"It will be of no concern for us". So I did.

My negative feedback, "BEWARE: please contact me for reasons why not to deal with this company".
I was inundated with other buyers asking why. (and since then, every so often I still have someone ask me why.)

The day after I left the feedback, the company contacted me. NOW they wanted to resolve the problem. I ignored them, and over the next few weeks received a lot of messages from them, pleading for me to contact them to discuss my issues.
When I did reply to them, I reminded them of how my negative feedback "will be no concern to them", and they can go to hell.
:cheers:

[megatexture]

I just told them I might buy some 1$ items to give some reviews on also lol

[Winnie]

They're ignoring my emails. I'll give them until tomorrow and I'll leave negative feedback

[megatexture]

My only concern is all we have is feedback and once we give it that's it lol, so I'm holding off on mine to threaten with it.

[oncedisturbed]

They're ignoring my emails. I'll give them until tomorrow and I'll leave negative feedback

Doing the same with my emails as well

[Maxhead]

I gave up on the bull and just got my refund plus $20 in my paypal account...bargain ay Toddy..quick 20 bucks hey:)
The 13" light the offered me is no good to me so now i'll buy something else from someone else ...happy days..

Once my money is in my actual account they will still cop a neg feedback!

and for all you do gooders, ferk them they deserve all they get..Dont even try to call me a prick, I already know I am one...LOL

[Winnie]

I gave up on the bull and just got my refund plus $20 in my paypal account...bargain ay Toddy..quick 20 bucks hey:)
The 13" light the offered me is no good to me so now i'll buy something else from someone else ...happy days..

Once my money is in my actual account they will still cop a neg feedback!

and for all you do gooders, ferk them they deserve all they get..Dont even try to call me a prick, I already know I am one...LOL

You're not a prick but farrrrrk you're a jerk!

[megatexture]

They're ignoring my emails. I'll give them until tomorrow and I'll leave negative feedback

X3 here, if I've not heard from them tomorrow I'll buy a $ 1.10 led globe and give them a bad review and make it known its me lol

[Ben-e-boy]

I dont understand why you are waiting to leave bad feed back,

[NissanGQ4.2]

I gave up on the bull and just got my refund plus $20 in my paypal account...bargain ay Toddy..quick 20 bucks hey:)
The 13" light the offered me is no good to me so now i'll buy something else from someone else ...happy days..

Once my money is in my actual account they will still cop a neg feedback!

and for all you do gooders, ferk them they deserve all they get..Dont even try to call me a prick, I already know I am one...LOL

I personally wouldn't of wasted my time for 20bucks but hey that's me, In the same time you have probable spent in reading emails, replying 2 emails and commenting in this thread I would of cut my next doors neighbors lawn and made a quick 100bucks with little effort :)

[the evil twin]

Last time I cut my neighbours lawn her Hubby got really cranky...

[megatexture]

I dont understand why you are waiting to leave bad feed back,

Because it says you can't for 7 days for qualified sellers.. Whatever qualified is? must be different to a power seller though.

[Dhuck]

I got another email today saying I could by a product for the money already paid or add further money to the order for a more expensive product or a refund + $15. I basically told them nothing less than a 30 inch bar as I purchased in good faith and ow they should show some good faith and honor the sale.

[megatexture]

Very similar to me then they drop off the face of the earth. Have you lurked to leave feedback as it won't allow me to.

[Dhuck]

Very similar to me then they drop off the face of the earth. Have you lurked to leave feedback as it won't allow me to.

not yet. Still want my light. I will give them a couple more days.

[megatexture]

Have to wait 7 days till you can give them negative feedback ebay have such a stupid process

[macca86]

This is my last msg with them.

Dear 86macca,

Hello,
Thank you for your reply.
Would you please tell us which next size down you would like and send us the item number or link to check accordingly?
We do want to honor the original transaction to you,but as the lights prices and quanity changing,actually we do not have that many in stock,only a few,now already have been out of stock.
And hope to resolve this problem with you as soon as possible.
Thank you
Best regards

- carcamworld2012


And my response here's hoping I get these other lights if not I'll be going fir my refund.
Dear carcamworld2012,

I would accept any 2 of these lights you sell
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/42-INCH-240W-SPOT-FLOOD-COMBO-LED-LIGHT-BAR-DRIVING-WORK-LIGHT-CAR-4WD-SUV-BOAT-/111039041583?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19da71502f&_uhb=1
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/50INCH-288W-SPOT-FLOOD-COMBO-LED-WORK-LIGHT-BAR-OFFROAD-JEEP-SUV-ATV-240W-300W-/131143840924?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e88c8349c&_uhb=1
Either of these 2 products will be suitable as a substitute thank you.

- 86macca

[megatexture]

This is my last msg with them.

Dear 86macca,

Hello,
Thank you for your reply.
Would you please tell us which next size down you would like and send us the item number or link to check accordingly?
We do want to honor the original transaction to you,but as the lights prices and quanity changing,actually we do not have that many in stock,only a few,now already have been out of stock.
And hope to resolve this problem with you as soon as possible.
Thank you
Best regards

- carcamworld2012


And my response here's hoping I get these other lights if not I'll be going fir my refund.
Dear carcamworld2012,

I would accept any 2 of these lights you sell
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/42-INCH-240W-SPOT-FLOOD-COMBO-LED-LIGHT-BAR-DRIVING-WORK-LIGHT-CAR-4WD-SUV-BOAT-/111039041583?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19da71502f&_uhb=1
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/50INCH-288W-SPOT-FLOOD-COMBO-LED-WORK-LIGHT-BAR-OFFROAD-JEEP-SUV-ATV-240W-300W-/131143840924?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e88c8349c&_uhb=1
Either of these 2 products will be suitable as a substitute thank you.

- 86macca


Been there done that mate in your next msg they will be asking you to pay the diffrence in order to get them...

[Dhuck]

Been there done that mate in your next msg they will be asking you to pay the diffrence in order to get them...

thats it. But I am standing my ground. I will try for a few more days then become a nasty Dhuck. lol

[Ben-e-boy]

thats it. But I am standing my ground. I will try for a few more days then become a nasty Dhuck. lol

Are you going to unleash the poison midget within

[Dhuck]

Are you going to unleash the poison midget within

is it the poison midget or the angry little man as many call me. lol

[jc84]

Has everyone else had the email asking if they could call to discus the matter? I gave them my mobile number yesterday telling them that was the better number to get me on rather then the home number, that was at about 3pm, they said they would call 'soon later' but still no phone calls.
I'm beginning to they they don't like me :(

China is on roughly the same GMT as us aren't they?

They might have stopped messaging me but that hasn't stopped me from messaging them, i'm such a good customer.

[NissanGQ4.2]

China is on roughly the same GMT as us aren't they?


Considering they state they have an Australian warehouse and the item locations are Australia one would assume the seller is also in Australia

[jc84]

Oh Australia? Yeah for sure.... :icon_bonk:

42141

Only illiterate's would assume that

[Winnie]

Considering they state they have an Australian warehouse and the item locations are Australia one would assume the seller is also in Australia

They are in China, they do not try to hide that. They apparently have a warehouse in Sydney.

[NissanGQ4.2]

Oh Australia? Yeah for sure.... :icon_bonk:

42141

Only illiterate's would assume that

And just because they are based in China doesn't mean some correspondence isn't from Australia where the supposedly LED bar was located in the sale, But hey I'm illiterate and I can't spell for sh!t either but yet smart enough not 2 waste my time buying a LED bar that I know I was never going to get

[Clunk]

********yawn********

[jc84]

And just because they are based in China doesn't mean some correspondence isn't from Australia where the supposedly LED bar was located in the sale, But hey I'm illiterate and I can't spell for sh!t either but yet smart enough not 2 waste my time buying a LED bar that I know I was never going to get

Firstly I'll again ask, if you didn't purchase one why are you still participating in this thread? You've already stated you were too smart to be allured by the temptation of a 'too cheap' light, and that we are in-fact all time wasting suckers for doing so. So why then are you still wasting time with this thread?

I'll agree some correspondence could be from Australia, just like it could be from Uzbekistan. But given the hours they've send the reply messages, their grasp of the English language, and the fact they state they're based in China, I'd suggest not.

And committing to buying a bar was a dumb thing to do, because why? I could have made money like some, or got some very nice looking lights like others but I have chosen not to and I still will have not lost any money...so I really don't see the problem? And again I'll state I'm sure we were all pretty confident that none of us were going to get this particular light-bar, but where else can you get a risk free offer like this?
There were two possible outcomes, 1: the seller would go 'oh sweet Jesus I stuffed up' and post the Lights anyway. Or 2: we'd get out money back. You can't say 100% that you knew that he wouldn't send the bar, unless of-course you're actually the seller...? Yeah it was a very very outside chance, but at a guaranteed cost of $0, I'll take a gamble any-day.

Sorry we can't all be non-risk taking lawn mowers :(

[rottodiver]

Well I made 30 dollars for sitting on my arse.. For me the gamble was worth it but it could have very easily gone the other way...
I guess though it was likely that they were never going to arrive but I would have been kicking myself if I they were to honour the sales and send the lights...
Greed is what probably drove me,..

Scotty

[megatexture]

Hell I'm gonna be gettin my light!

if they want to call me That's fine also

[jc84]

Just got the phone call, was pleasant enough, apparently there had been a problem her skype (probably hacked as well?) English isn't that great, but we got there in the end.
Ended up offering me refund + more money again, but after refusal she told me to pick whichever light-bar I wanted from their Australian stock and email them the link. I told her I would be after A bar of equal specifications to the one that was listed. She said that was fine and she'd have to check quantities before she could confirm it. Almost smells like another bogus story, but we'll see.

For the record I'm still expecting nothing and expecting to have to lodge a claim with paypal.

[megatexture]

Don't be surprised if they want you to pay the difference but fingers crossed they are realising we will not backing down but let us know there reply.
They don't offer me $ any more as I told them I will never accept compensation lol, they must be damn busy with emails lol

[Winnie]

Just got the phone call, was pleasant enough, apparently there had been a problem her skype (probably hacked as well?) English isn't that great, but we got there in the end.
Ended up offering me refund + more money again, but after refusal she told me to pick whichever light-bar I wanted from their Australian stock and email them the link. I told her I would be after A bar of equal specifications to the one that was listed. She said that was fine and she'd have to check quantities before she could confirm it. Almost smells like another bogus story, but we'll see.

For the record I'm still expecting nothing and expecting to have to lodge a claim with paypal.

They said similar to me... I picked one and they said it you can have that for an extra 70 dollars... Bullshit!

[Dhuck]

Have not heard anything since Wednesday. Nasty dhuck coming out of the lake. lol

[Winnie]

Have not heard anything since Wednesday. Nasty dhuck coming out of the lake. lol

I had a reply tonight and was talking with them last night, they're ignoring you dude!

[Dhuck]

I had a reply tonight and was talking with them last night, they're ignoring you dude!

I don't want to talk with the mofo's. But some correspondence is nice.

[Maxhead]

Sorry guys, id be getting stuck into them if it wasn't for my softnes..lol FUK!!

[Ben-e-boy]

Sorry guys, id be getting stuck into them if I wasnt eating crayons..lol FUK!!

Fixed that post.

[megatexture]

Check out there negative feedback, the one that says. " Stay away from this piece of crap seller......" 14/03/2014

They sold 2x 21" 3w Cree bars for $ 65then refused to post them..

Saw another of someone buying a bonnet scoop ( fugly looking thing ! ) and they were told they had no stock!


I'm definitely gonna tear them a new one.

[oncedisturbed]

Maybe a threat of a paypal dispute then escalate it for paypal to look into it

[Dhuck]

Maybe a threat of a paypal dispute then escalate it for paypal to look into it

This is gonna be my next move if I stay sober long enough today. Not looking good though. Pub opened an hour and a half ago.

[Yendor]

This is gonna be my next move if I stay sober long enough today. Not looking good though. Pub opened an hour and a half ago.

You haven't got time to drink........ you've got work to do. LOL

[oncedisturbed]

I lodged a claim with paypal as they stopped resoonding, they offered "other" products up to the price paid, they havent responded for 3 days now as to what items I can choose that are comparative to what I initially purchased.

Will give them until Monday and then escalate it.

Sellers like these are the 1st to hammer you for payment or evidemce if your account is compromised but they won't provide any themselves

[megatexture]

What will paypal do other than refund your money

[Stropp]

i dont think they would want 3000 bad reports on their name but i suppose they will just list under another name.

[P4trol]

Don't forget that this seller isn't like we imagine most hard working chinese... This seller is having the weekend off. There'll be no replies until monday.

Maybe someone should check there isn't another item that has been hacked?

[meh]

Tonight is the 7th day since purchase for most. Should see some negative feedback popping up

[jc84]

So got the call from them yesterday and then a follow up message from them right after the phone call, all of which they were encouraging the idea of me selecting a different light-bar to replace the light-bar in the auction.
anyrate, long message from them today, none of which is a reply to any of my messages
just saying that I'd be better off letting them refund the money + extra for me to buy a light-bar from another supplier.
36 days of arguing to go!



What will paypal do other than refund your money

They take note of repeat offenders (sellers not posting items) and if it happens enough they stop them from being able to sell items.

[megatexture]

3 negative reviews on this item so far

[oncedisturbed]

They sent me msg through paypal asking to uee ebay messaging, I replied I was using paypal because they ignored my ebay msgs

[jc84]

I got another two messages from them yesterday
one saying the bar I selected as a replacement was one 'better quality and materials' and I'd have to pay more. As expected.
Then another message an hour later saying to pick another similar item from their store.
Haha the merry-go-round of fun continues.

[megatexture]

I've had that 2 times now once was this bar is better and another this bar is old technology and they have none ... Then they ignored the msg I sent about wtf are you advertising it then.
Also I got a msg on sat so they must be trying to sort this out doing overtime lol

[megatexture]

They have blocked me from purchasing from them lol as I've threatened to buy other items they have listed for further negative reviews, they have items for 1$ free postage

[Maxhead]

3 negative reviews on this item so far


Make that 4 :)

[meh]

They have blocked me from purchasing from them lol as I've threatened to buy other items they have listed for further negative reviews, they have items for 1$ free postage

I didnt know they can block people from buying ??

Ive offered fair prices to what I think, on their nearest offer deal for their LED bars. Maybe they will actually accept one of them :)

[megatexture]

nor did i till i tried to buy a 1$ led globe to give a bad review on lmao
all good ive got more then one ebay account lol

[Drewboyaus]

Haha your seagul analogy is a crack up, except in this case the seaguls bought the chips and are entitled to them, legally.


Umm....no. In my business, I am not obliged to accept a purchase order from anyone. If someone places an order on me at the wrong price, either out of date or just plain wrong or trying it on you will receive no joy.
I have been reading bits of this thread on and off and I assume the price was a genuine mistake. I chose not to pursue these light bars for the very reason GQ4.2 stated and that if it looks too good to be true, it is.
I think for anyone to have received anything more than a full refund is bloody lucky as you wouldn't be getting anything more from me assuming it was a legitimate pricing error.

[jc84]

Umm....no. In my business, I am not obliged to accept a purchase order from anyone. If someone places an order on me at the wrong price, either out of date or just plain wrong or trying it on you will receive no joy.
I have been reading bits of this thread on and off and I assume the price was a genuine mistake. I chose not to pursue these light bars for the very reason GQ4.2 stated and that if it looks too good to be true, it is.
I think for anyone to have received anything more than a full refund is bloody lucky as you wouldn't be getting anything more from me assuming it was a legitimate pricing error.

Yep i agree with your last statement 120% nothing more then a full refund anything extra is an amazing business practice.
And yes I agree that if you receive a purchase order at your place of employment with a wrong price and no in-date quote then the purchases order accounts for jack sh1t, its the same with all businesses, your nothing special.

However that has absolutely nothing to do with Ebay and Ebays policies.
Some people seem to have a hard time comprehending this.

Simple version of Ebays buying and selling policies again.
Once the buyer clicks on that 'commit to buy' the buyer is required to make payment to the seller within a reasonable time frame.
Once the buyer has paid the seller the seller has an obligation to send goods which match the item description within a reasonable time frame.

That's it, there is no quotes there is no 'oh it was the wrong price so unlucky buyer', if the seller uploads an item to ebay at a set buy it now price and the buyer commits to buying an item and pays the seller ebay expects the item to be posted. That's it, no grey areas, no excuses.

It is this way because Ebay has said it is so.

Seeing as how you seem to comprehend it in 'your business' terms, i'll apply it to those.

Your business miss quotes my business $42.98 in exchange for goods or services which should actually cost $270, however the quote has been sent in hard-copy, signed and dated. Now my business has sent your business a PO for $42.98 and expects the goods or services. Now your business realizes that it's stuffed the quote up and is refusing the goods or services. There is no law that states (there may well be, I haven't read the Australian business code of conduct) you have to give those goods or services for that quoted price, but it's simple business ethics that you honor all in-date quotes even those you stuffed up. If you don't word will soon spread that you don't honor quotes and soon you wont have anything to quote on.

Therefore, the sea-guls (the buyers), purchased the chips (the light-bars) at the advertised price and paid the seller. And according to ebay policy (which is all that matters in this case and not your irrelevant real world case) and now ebay and the sea-guls are expecting the light-bars. Plain and simple.

[Dhuck]

Yep guys I agree. This was a straight out f!@# up of their own. They were not hacked and need to sort out their mistake. Just like any business. You advertise a product at a certain price, that is what it sells as. You advertise a product at $30:00 and make a sale then turn around and say sorry it was 300 you would be labeled one of the biggest c!@#$ in the world. Kmart makes a mistake they honor it same as any other honest retailer.

Sorry the piss is coming out and also the honesty

[Drewboyaus]

but it's simple business ethics that you honor all in-date quotes even those you stuffed up. If you don't word will soon spread that you don't honor quotes and soon you wont have anything to quote on.


No mate, it might be simple but it's not business ethics.
My customers would use their "business ethics" and not place an order on us without checking to ensure that the ridiculously low price was in fact valid and none of them would expect to take advantage of a mistake like that......that is business ethics mate.....

[happygu]

No mate, it might be simple but it's not business ethics.
My customers would use their "business ethics" and not place an order on us without checking to ensure that the ridiculously low price was in fact valid and none of them would expect to take advantage of a mistake like that......that is business ethics mate.....

Drew,

That was true for the old retail way of selling, but this is Ebay, where getting a bargain is the only reason why anyone would buy this way...

Mic

[Drewboyaus]

Yep guys I agree. This was a straight out f!@# up of their own. They were not hacked and need to sort out their mistake. Just like any business. You advertise a product at a certain price, that is what it sells as. You advertise a product at $30:00 and make a sale then turn around and say sorry it was 300 you would be labeled one of the biggest c!@#$ in the world. Kmart makes a mistake they honor it same as any other honest retailer.

Sorry the piss is coming out and also the honesty

Yep. And sorting out their mistake should be giving you all a refund. Nothing more.
I would never expect to profit from another persons mistake in such a way.
Kmart is a bad example, they are part of a major corporation.
What is happening here is potentially driving some small online retailer out of business based on a pricing mistake they have made and then having it advertised on the web to magnify the situation. I don't think that's fair at all. What would you say to their kids if they lost their house?

[Drewboyaus]

Drew,

That was true for the old retail way of selling, but this is Ebay, where getting a bargain is the only reason why anyone would buy this way...

Mic

Fair enough Mic and I'm not in a retail industry (thank goodness) but the business ethics stand, especially when many thought it was sus in the first place.
Potentially profiting from someone else's misfortune is not a good way to roll IMO.

Edit: would you all give back change that was overpaid at the servo (assuming you noticed) knowing that the console operator would have it docked from their pay? Same thing.

[happygu]

Fair enough Mic and I'm not in a retail industry (thank goodness) but the business ethics stand, especially when many thought it was sus in the first place.
Potentially profiting from someone else's misfortune is not a good way to roll IMO.

Edit: would you all give back change that was overpaid at the servo (assuming you noticed) knowing that the console operator would have it docked from their pay? Same thing.


I agree to some degree, and that is why I didnt order one .... and I always try to return incorrect change because I like to also receive the correct change when I think I have been short changed.

I think ebay sucks now that there are millions of retailers trying to get into the action, and I thought the same when the Trading Post went the same way.

[lhurley]

No mate, it might be simple but it's not business ethics.
My customers would use their "business ethics" and not place an order on us without checking to ensure that the ridiculously low price was in fact valid and none of them would expect to take advantage of a mistake like that......that is business ethics mate.....

A big part of that is honesty. If they made a mistake and said to the people who bought the light, look we stuffed up, we are happy to refund you your money. I for one would be more then ok with that, chuck a discount on ever better. Happy days. Lie to my face, or try and give me the run about, I couldn't give 2 shits what about them.

That aside, they know the eBay rules, they should abide by those rules.

[megatexture]

These guys are not a small seller they have said this to me already over email ( I'm guessing They thought i may be intimidated by this ?lmao) they are the manufacturer that have like 100 products in there range and sell in most ebay markets.
most of the people that bought bars from them would have accepted the payout, the rest will be pocket money for them.
Even if they had to fork out for the 405 bars it would still be pocket $
At the end of the day they farked up.
if they want to make there own rules make a web site and start selling, if they want to use ebay ... They have to follow ebay rules its simple

[Drewboyaus]

These guys are not a small seller they have said this to me already over email ( I'm guessing They thought i may be intimidated by this ?lmao) they are the manufacturer that have like 100 products in there range and sell in most ebay markets.
most of the people that bought bars from them would have accepted the payout, the rest will be pocket money for them.
Even if they had to fork out for the 405 bars it would still be pocket $
At the end of the day they farked up.
if they want to make there own rules make a web site and start selling, if they want to use ebay ... They have to follow ebay rules its simple

If they are the rules of eBay then so be it (though I still don't like the idea of opportunistically exploiting a seller who may have made a mistake). If they have lied about it then so be it too. What I don't understand is why anyone would put their business in jeopardy deliberately by misleading everyone on the price? What is to be gained from that? I don't understand because I can't see how they can make any money from doing that.
I also reckon that just because a business makes 100 products (are they really the manufacturer or a re-seller moonlighting as such?) it doesn't make them a huge business. It is the problem with the anonymity of environments such as eBay.
Would you try to pull the same deal on a shopkeeper you had to look in the eye?

Just posing philosophical questions to this situation.......

[lhurley]

Would you try to pull the same deal on a shopkeeper you had to look in the eye?

Yes.

Majority of retailers will honor pricing mistakes until the issue is rectified.
If i went to the shop and saw that light bar for sale for $25 or whatever the ebay price here was, i would grab it right that second. If the shop assistant then said to me oh its actually $250 after i paid for it, and wouldnt give me the light, you bet your bottom dollar i would kick up a stink.

[jc84]

No mate, it might be simple but it's not business ethics.
My customers would use their "business ethics" and not place an order on us without checking to ensure that the ridiculously low price was in fact valid and none of them would expect to take advantage of a mistake like that......that is business ethics mate.....


Right mate, but again this applies to you in your line of work. Which I'm going to assume you don't sell retail or you don't sell stuff on ebay, and therefore your 'real world examples' account for jack sh1t.
All this thread has ever been about is buying something off ebay, therefore the only rules or ethics that this transaction of good or services need to go by is ebay's.
I understand what your saying, 100% and there is no argument here on mostly all of your examples, in the real world. Yes your customer would have probably seen the price error of your quote and rang your business to confirm that it was correct. But i'm going to guess that these would be repeat customers that have been dealing with that business many times before.
It's a bit different to selling items retail. Which is what this is, and is exactly the same as what Kmart, BigW, Target, Woolworth's all do, and when they mark an item at the wrong price the customers get it for that price, or they notice and fix the problem before anyone buys it.
They do-not happily take the money of the customer and refuse to let the customer leave the store with the goods that they have paid for, which is essentially what this seller is doing.




What is happening here is potentially driving some small online retailer out of business based on a pricing mistake they have made and then having it advertised on the web to magnify the situation. I don't think that's fair at all. What would you say to their kids if they lost their house?



Potentially profiting from someone else's misfortune is not a good way to roll IMO.


Mate, It seems you can't see the actual truth of the matter because you're so convinced that it's the buyers that are fleecing this seller for all he is worth, when in actual fact it's the buyer who's taken the money and provided no goods or services in return. Yes they've offered a refund, but there's nothing that says we have to accept a refund.
We can't make the seller post the light-bars, ebay can't make him post them. If the seller is going to cop too much of a loss over these $42.98 light-bars then the seller isn't going to post them. And after the days are up (45 days from date of transaction) We'll lodge a complaint with paypal that the items were never posted and eventually we'll get out $42.98 back from the seller. That's it.
No-one is going to loose money on this unless they do so by choice.

So please explain to me how this seller could potentially loose his house over this matter unless it was by their own choice?



Edit: would you all give back change that was overpaid at the servo (assuming you noticed) knowing that the console operator would have it docked from their pay? Same thing.


Mate this isn't even remotely close to what's happened on ebay.
For pete's sake, get it through your head, the Ebay seller has our money, he's not going broke or loosing money, if anything he's better off now financially then he was before we purchased these light-bars. There's a good chance that he's going to have our money for 40 odd days, then he'll have to give it back. It's even a transfer from paypal to paypal so it's not going to cost him a cent. And he only has to give back the $42.98, nothing extra no interest no anything.





Yes.

Majority of retailers will honor pricing mistakes until the issue is rectified.
If i went to the shop and saw that light bar for sale for $25 or whatever the ebay price here was, i would grab it right that second. If the shop assistant then said to me oh its actually $250 after i paid for it, and wouldnt give me the light, you bet your bottom dollar i would kick up a stink.

Thank you Mr Lhurley, good to see someone gets it.

[Bloodyaussie]

Chill out mate.......... no need for that.

[growler2058]

Relax jc84, we generally steer away from calling people names and getting quite so hot under the collar. Thanks

[NP99]

JC84, mate if others don't get what you're trying to express as your opinion......no big deal, move on, don't be insulting. Drew doesn't need me to defend him but in this case I find the hot collar attitude a bit off. Cheers

[the evil twin]

I find it curious that the first 6 or so pages of posts almost everyone acknowledged it was "a typo or error" and if indeed it was all they would be after as "compensation" would be money back.
The seller, who could have handled it many different ways depending on point of view offered money back and even a small gratuity or discounts on other products.
That seemed pretty fair to me and is in line with arbitration and Common Law where everyone should be "made whole", no more, no less.
Now it seems that people are determined to rip him for, what, say $100 assuming 100% markup but even if he is out $50 it isn't right in my humble opinion.
If I was the vendor i would have simple reversed the payments and left it at that then there is no dispute at all.

Finally, another thread has degenerated into some fairly off comments.

IMHO this whole issue is between the buyers and the vendor with Ebay and/or Paypal as the umpires.
Also given the events of a coupel of weeks ago, I for one would suggest it is time to get over it and for AB or Mods to lock the thread

[Yendor]

So.....did anyone receive their light bar?

They've received some positive feedback from people who apparently received theirs.

[jc84]

Yeah, it was too far, and that comment has been removed and i apologize to nissanpatrol.com.au forum readers for that comment.
The rest still stands.

Evil, I assume I'm one of these poeple who you assume you're saying are 'determined to rip him off'
yet as i've always stated, i expect no light-bar, i do expect to have to make a claim with paypal after the time is up to get only my $42.98 back and as you say all will be whole again.

If he sends the light-bar, then it's of his own free choice, and if he sends it, then I will have purchased something for an advertised price.

How is that ripping anyone off? I'm not after extra money. I'm not after something for nothing. I haven't stolen anything.

I don't believe there would be an issue with the thread if people who had not purchased a light-bar stopped chiming in giving their own real world examples which were in no way relevant to this situation. One of which I believe was a moderator and, i would think, should know better...
If the thread had been left to the purchases of the light-bar to discuss messages received from the seller, and replies drafted as it was in the beginning, then i'm sure it wouldn't now be on page 40, most of which yes is long winded replies written by myself, but ya get that.

[Mud Gecko]

This thread has quiet elegantly revealed the arrogance and declining ethics of this country, makes me a sad panda...

Forum rules dictate that we aren't supposed to name-call ect, if that weren't the case I'd have some choice words to describe some of the posters in this thread, you know who you are.

Mods should have shut this thread down 25 pages ago.

[AB]

I have stayed away from this thread because I too bought one, didn't pay, the person stuffed up, moved on...

Left this open for you blokes to discuss, haven't had a chance to read most of it but seems to have gone south so if this attitude continues moving forward from now this will be closed.

[P4trol]

So..

I have tried to move discussion forward with the seller. Same patter, same excuses. They suggested that an eBay complaint would 'not be the best course'. Presumably a refund is their best course if action. Apparently they are dealing with hundreds of people wanting their bar.

[macca86]

They sold over 400 at that price

[the evil twin]

Pls excuse the snip...

Evil, I assume I'm one of these poeple who you assume you're saying are 'determined to rip him off'
yet as i've always stated, i expect no light-bar, i do expect to have to make a claim with paypal after the time is up to get only my $42.98 back and as you say all will be whole again.

I don't believe there would be an issue with the thread if people who had not purchased a light-bar stopped chiming in giving their own real world examples which were in no way relevant to this situation. One of which I believe was a moderator and, i would think, should know better...
If the thread had been left to the purchases of the light-bar to discuss messages received from the seller, and replies drafted as it was in the beginning



No mate, you aren't...
I applaud your subsequent comments and I applaud your stance if all you are looking for is your money back... totally fair enough in my book.

Also, before anyone else feels I have singled them out I wish to state that I haven't done so intentionally.

I will make one rejoinder specific to your post tho.
EVERYONE has an equal right to post up in this forum, it doesn't matter if you don't own the same model truck, it doesn't matter if you live in a different state, it doesn't matter if you hate Cricket, it doesn't matter if you are a moderator, it doesn't matter if you have 10 post or 10 thousand... if you want to have a say then have at it

Also, maybe go back to Page 1 and have a quick check as the thread did not start off as "messages rec'd/sent" it started off as "Here's a bargain boys, get on on it before they realise and/or sell out".

[P4trol]

Yeah, you picked on me...

Their negative feedback is multiplying...

[mudski]

..........

[Bloodyaussie]

...................

[Winnie]

..........

That's a good post.
Sounding more and more likely that I will be receiving a single row 20" bar

[mudski]

I removed what I wrote pooh. Hence the ..........

[Winnie]

Sorry couldn't see that on motorculture, lol

[megatexture]

the bastards just gave me a refund! lmao

[the evil twin]

the bastards just gave me a refund! lmao

:) :) :) :) :)

[megatexture]

No ones actually said they got a bar but it would be interesting to know if any of the good reviews got one.

[04OFF]

Maybe you lovelies should all get together and bring in your own........:)

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/NSSC-High-Power-4x4-52-inch_1520827830.html

[mudski]

No ones actually said they got a bar but it would be interesting to know if any of the good reviews got one.

I have the exact same bar but in the 40inch version. Effing bright is all I can say. Build quality must be good as it still works and it hasn't fallen apart.




Maybe you lovelies should all get together and bring in your own........:)

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/NSSC-High-Power-4x4-52-inch_1520827830.html

We did that around 18months ago....A group buy was organised...

[megatexture]

Maybe you lovelies should all get together and bring in your own........:)

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/NSSC-High-Power-4x4-52-inch_1520827830.html


Already did that and have 5 sitting at home left lol, though for this price I was going to give it to Jason for his hilux as 52" will just about only fit a ute lol

[04OFF]

Already did that and have 5 sitting at home left lol

How much for one ?

[megatexture]

What one lmao I've got a 22" dual row 10w that's ugly as sin! And 5 of the ones I've got on my car (5w22"dual row) and also a single row 10w22" lol

[04OFF]

I was impressed with the ones you had a GH, (they worked good)

[megatexture]

They were 294 and 34 postage I sold 2 on ebay for a lot more than that but got lazy and they have been in the garage ever since not that it bothers me lol

[04OFF]

Im sure you could fit a few more on your car (haha)

[megatexture]

Yea you can get cheaper these days that's for sure

[NP99]

Maybe you lovelies should all get together and bring in your own........:)

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/NSSC-High-Power-4x4-52-inch_1520827830.html

They can supply one million a month..........!

[megatexture]

Yea but the seller we bought from has run out lmao, biggest joke Ever lol

Edit: and that included china stock

[meh]

I see their replys on the negative feed back at different to the story they told me.

Sorry,lights out of stock,money's already refunded,u have no loss,pls no worry

[MudRunnerTD]

Maybe you lovelies should all get together and bring in your own........:)

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/NSSC-High-Power-4x4-52-inch_1520827830.html


Guys you're exaggerating how cheap China is... They will be paying over 200 dollars a bar. There are so many sellers of the exact same thing, I guarantee if they are paying 50 bucks for them they would cut each others throat and sell them at like 52 dollars or else they'll get no sales.


Hey Winnie check out the link above mate. There is China right there! $25 for a 52" light bar. Crazy stuff mate. The sale price here is dictated by the buyers not the sellers mate, the sellers set the benchmark based on what all the other sellers are selling it for and all want to make money. They all know the market is massive and as long as they all price around the same they will All make a Sh1t load of money.

Classic example of that is trying to buy a 6hp Warn Winch motor. EVERY SELLER on ebay sells them for $460 to $480! Every seller! yet i can go to Amazon and have the exact same motor delivered from the USA to my door for $280. All those sellers are buying it from Amazon too probably and then without discussing (or not) price match what the seller is willing to pay. And sell heaps.

As you know mate the standard markup in Australia from Wholesale to Retail is close to 100% or more, the mark up on Light bars is way way way more than that if you are up the supply chain. The key to the light bar market in particular though is finding the Best Quality product and then you can ask big bux.

[Winnie]

That price is for a 6" light bar.

[MudRunnerTD]

That price is for a 6" light bar.

nah its a Crap Add. see the title description rather than the photo. 52" bar. Crazy Cheap.

[Drewboyaus]

I find it curious that the first 6 or so pages of posts almost everyone acknowledged it was "a typo or error" and if indeed it was all they would be after as "compensation" would be money back.
The seller, who could have handled it many different ways depending on point of view offered money back and even a small gratuity or discounts on other products.
That seemed pretty fair to me and is in line with arbitration and Common Law where everyone should be "made whole", no more, no less.
Now it seems that people are determined to rip him for, what, say $100 assuming 100% markup but even if he is out $50 it isn't right in my humble opinion.
If I was the vendor i would have simple reversed the payments and left it at that then there is no dispute at all.

Finally, another thread has degenerated into some fairly off comments.

IMHO this whole issue is between the buyers and the vendor with Ebay and/or Paypal as the umpires.
Also given the events of a coupel of weeks ago, I for one would suggest it is time to get over it and for AB or Mods to lock the thread

Thank you ET. I am not the only one who read this thread the same way.
Funny how angry reactions are generally very defensive ones......

[Winnie]

Read into it more, definitely a 6" bar at that price.

[04OFF]

Read into it more, definitely a 6" bar at that price.

I read " 52 inch" no less than 7 times in that add, where does it say its only a 6 inch ?

[Drewboyaus]

The ad is misleading. The part number and picture refer to a 6inch bar when you check the specifications tab yet it is advertised as a 52 inch.......

[04OFF]

Ive sent them a email to confirm price on a 52", also asked for a price on a 6 inch to avoid any confusion,
ill report back when i get a reply

[megatexture]

bloody insane if thats a 52" but i doubt it, my money is its a 3w 6"

[04OFF]

bloody insane if thats a 52" but i doubt it, my money is its a 3w 6"

Sometimes things get confused in translation, i suspect other times, they try and use it as a excuse to trick us ?

Certainly Pays to ask/check twice before making any order, then of course things like warranty, shipping costs, customs & GST can come along to take all the fun out of the deal (lol)

[megatexture]

What warranty? What refund? and then if you buy $2k worth of lights they write down its $400 so you don’t need to pay tax on it ... then it gets lost and shipping/transport say sorry we lost your box here is your $400 to replace them lol

They use language to play dumb in everyday life don’t get me started about and tourism and specially in theme parks ! lol

[gaddy]

Im feeling enlightened :)

[threedogs]

Mega you need someone to scratch your itch, lol

[Ben-e-boy]

Hey Winnie check out the link above mate. There is China right there! $25 for a 52" light bar. Crazy stuff mate. The sale price here is dictated by the buyers not the sellers mate, the sellers set the benchmark based on what all the other sellers are selling it for and all want to make money. They all know the market is massive and as long as they all price around the same they will All make a Sh1t load of money..

I disagree with that.
I know for a fact that my 22 inch single row 5w light bar cost the best part of $200 in china, I have personally seen the manufacturers price list. That does not include shipping and import tax, fees etc.
I have also seen other manufacture price lists of some other big name light bars which I will not mention. But it put into perspective who actually sells quality and who marks it up middle of the range.
China is not a giant black market, leading manufacturers are heavily regulated and have all the relevant ISO and CE etc accreditations as a company in the western world would.

[MudRunnerTD]

I disagree with that.
I know for a fact that my 22 inch single row 5w light bar cost the best part of $200 in china, I have personally seen the manufacturers price list. That does not include shipping and import tax, fees etc.
I have also seen other manufacture price lists of some other big name light bars which I will not mention. But it put into perspective who actually sells quality and who marks it up middle of the range.
China is not a giant black market, leading manufacturers are heavily regulated and have all the relevant ISO and CE etc accreditations as a company in the western world would.

I agree 100% with you bene. But how much was you 22" single row? The product being sold in this thread and that link I would consider to be the bottom end of the market and a flooded market it is with entry level quality products sold in bulk Sorld Wide at a price point rather than a Quality point. That's OK though. But the aprice point product certainly exists out of china. ISO regardless.

As you say though, some mark up to a price point and some truly are that point. I can think of some Suspension brands that play that game too.

I have absolutely No Doubt that at the upper end of the market there is some high quality high end gear at an appropriate price. But, and a big But, the bottom end of the market is not trying to compete with the high end and are making and flogging to the bulk World market for bugger all in real dollars IMO. A 52" light Bar exists out of China just as a $200 22" light bar does.

[oncedisturbed]

On a positive note, have just been offered 2 x 10 inch bars as a substitute

[TPC]

Wonder if this guy really did get a light bar like the feedback suggests.

[meh]

I got a quote from alibaba for 42" $130 each plus delivery or if buy 10 $1500 delivered

[megatexture]

I disagree with that.
I know for a fact that my 22 inch single row 5w light bar cost the best part of $200 in china, I have personally seen the manufacturers price list. That does not include shipping and import tax, fees etc.
I have also seen other manufacture price lists of some other big name light bars which I will not mention. But it put into perspective who actually sells quality and who marks it up middle of the range.
China is not a giant black market, leading manufacturers are heavily regulated and have all the relevant ISO and CE etc accreditations as a company in the western world would.

200$ won't be the bottom price though they usually have a standard and if you spend x amount will knock off a certain percentage we spent 2k and they knocked off 6% of the original price, if we spent 5k would have been more .. No idea where it would end though lol

[megatexture]

On a positive note, have just been offered 2 x 10 inch bars as a substitute

That's what you have paid for lol

[oncedisturbed]

That's what you have paid for lol

lol sort of, getting them cheaper than the listed price

[megatexture]

Haha, there is your 8% discount they were referring to lol

[04OFF]

Ive sent them a email to confirm price on a 52", also asked for a price on a 6 inch to avoid any confusion,
ill report back when i get a reply

Been over 24hrs, no reply :frown:

[threedogs]

@ OD a 10" bar would light up under your awning very nice.
I'm now glad I got out early

[megatexture]

Been over 24hrs, no reply :frown:

possibly the same manufacturer and farked up that add also lmao

[04OFF]

Ok, got a reply.........



Hi, Steve,



Sorry that I forgot to answer your question in the inquiry.



Model: NS-WL-1R50 (BTW, this is the 52 inch one, lol )

Price: US$222.00/pc



Model: NS-WL-1R06

Price: US$39.50/pc



For 1piece of 1R50 and 1piece of 1R06 ship to Australia, the shipping cost will be US$133.40 by UPS.



Best regards,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------






James Lin









Guangzhou North & South Lighting Technology Co., Ltd. (NSSC)

Tel: +86-20-86878062 ext.603 Fax: +86-20-86878061 Cell: +86-13560185044




So yeh , Winnie was on the ball, not sure how many youd have to buy to get em for $29, but buying only a few, plus shipping etc, will make it one spensive mofo, and if they are wholesale prices , i would want it to be bright enough to be used as a light cannon to take out invading aliens (lol)






Can't be bothered telling J-LIN how deceptive his ad is (well not unless he contacts me again, haha)


:clownredpuff:

[megatexture]

That's a fark load for shipping, when my mate and I bought 10x 22" dual rows postage was 34$ per light.
Oh and I bet be will be In contact lol

[04OFF]

Yeh, i guess a BIG difference in the size box to fit even one 52", compared to little 22" units Troy ?


Yeh expect a "follow up" will be in order, I would not deal with a company who deals like that anyway, just asking for hassle, i like a bit more black and white, not pick a colour from the rainbow !:biggrin:






Anyway, my mate is owner/partner in a LED manufacturing co in China, so id talk to him if i ever wanted to buy any bulk LED stuff.

[megatexture]

For that postage your better off buying 2x22s then lol

Why not hit up your mate for one bar lol you don't need bulk , I'm just waiting to get defected for the one on my bullbar then I'll have to shuffle everything around

[04OFF]

Why not hit up your mate for one bar lol you don't need bulk ,

I don''t think they make any 4x4 light bars, more into commercial lighting and signage etc (ill ask next time i see him)




, I'm just waiting to get defected for the one on my bullbar then I'll have to shuffle everything around

Just remove the bar one anyway, and you should be OK

[threedogs]

Just received a message from Ebay requesting the "SELLER" would like to cancel transaction, no reason given.
I accepted a full refund and 5% a while ago now,

[Winnie]

I got sick of it and left them negative feedback, they refunded me instantly and did not reply to my message haha.

[P4trol]

I notice their %feedback has dropped a small amount. No messages for a while. They are apparently making more stock, or waiting until people get sick of them and raise a claim.

[megatexture]

I got sick of it and left them negative feedback, they refunded me instantly and did not reply to my message haha.

Yea once you give the feedback they think there's no more damage you can do

[NP99]

Yea once you give the feedback they think there's no more damage you can do

There's a world wide shortage of light bars, there all on your rig Troy :)

[Clunk]

Just received a message from Ebay requesting the "SELLER" would like to cancel transaction, no reason given.
I accepted a full refund and 5% a while ago now,

Oddly enough I had one of those come through yesterday...... Declined the cancellation though lol

MC is dead to me!!!!! Bwahahahaha

[megatexture]

Check if you ebay is saying paid or refunded they don't need you to agree on the refund apparently..

[Clunk]

Check if you ebay is saying paid or refunded they don't need you to agree on the refund apparently..

Yeah mate, definitely was paid and refunded

MC is dead to me!!!!! Bwahahahaha

[Bloodyaussie]

I got a refund plus $40 for my trouble......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[P4trol]

That's a good effort!

[Maxhead]

I got a refund plus $40 for my trouble......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How could you be so cruel to ferk an innocent seller like that. They are just a business doing their best. Your're a prick ;)

[MEGOMONSTER]

I got a refund plus $40 for my trouble......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's a great effort.

[oncedisturbed]

The "replacement" 2x 10" bars just got delivered and must admit they are a far better quality than my current 13" lightbar


Sent from my iPhone using Motorculture mobile app

[P4trol]

Feedback down. -0.3%.

Never offered me 2x 10"! Bloody favouritism!

[kevin07]

the ferkers sent an unpaid item against me so I paid then they send me another message saying they cant supply im just wtf

[oncedisturbed]

Feedback down. -0.3%.

Never offered me 2x 10"! Bloody favouritism!

They tried all sorts of ways to get out of it and I kept at them that I would not except anything under 10".

If they showed proof that they were indeed hacked then I wouldve left it at that


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[megatexture]

Feedback down. -0.3%.

Never offered me 2x 10"! Bloody favouritism!

Going to go down more soon ive bought 10items off them .. led bulbs strip lights and sorts, I will need these things anyway and regardless of what I recieve I will give a bad review and make it known its me and say thanks for blocking my account from buying from them.

[P4trol]

I think the feedback system changes soon, and multiple items brought by the same buyer will only count as one negative feedback. Ie you can buy 10x items and leave bad feedback for each, as per normal. The feedback % will only decrease as if only one negative feedback is left.

[megatexture]

yea ive looked into it and there is a time frame that will only allow one review i just need to space them out:devilred:

[P4trol]

Feedback down to 98%. Anyone actually got theirs?

Just a warning, if you were going to lodge a PayPal claim, it's been approximately 1 month. You have only 15 days give or take to do this.

[Maxhead]

Here's another couple of cheapies...Go for gold!

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/288W-50Inch-Curve-Led-Light-Bar-ATV-Curved-Offroad-Led-Dual-Row-Light-Bar-/131259801170?pt=AU_Trucks_Commercial_Vehicles&hash=item1e8fb19e52&_uhb=1 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/705-53470-19255-0/1?campid=5336709507&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com.au%2Fitm%2F288W-50Inch-Curve-Led-Light-Bar-ATV-Curved-Offroad-Led-Dual-Row-Light-Bar-%2F131259801170%3Fpt%3DAU_Trucks_Commercial_Vehicl es%26amp%3Bhash%3Ditem1e8fb19e52%26amp%3B_uhb%3D1)

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/30INCH-160W-CREE-LED-LIGHT-BAR-SPOT-WORK-LIGHT-LAMP-BOAT-UTE-DRIVING-LIGHT-NEW-/141367007713?pt=AU_Trucks_Commercial_Vehicles&hash=item20ea2159e1&_uhb=1 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/705-53470-19255-0/1?campid=5336709507&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Frover.ebay.com%2Frover%2F1%2F705-53470-19255-0%2F1%3Fcampid%3D5336709507%26amp%3Btoolid%3D10001 %26amp%3Bmpre%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com% 252Frover%252F1%252F705-53470-19255-0%252F1%253Fcampid%253D5336709507%2526amp%253Btool id%253D10001%2526amp%253Bmpre%253Dhttp%25253A%2525 2F%25252Fwww.ebay.com.au%25252Fitm%25252F30INCH-160W-CREE-LED-LIGHT-BAR-SPOT-WORK-LIGHT-LAMP-BOAT-UTE-DRIVING-LIGHT-NEW-%25252F141367007713%25253Fpt%25253DAU_Trucks_Comme rcial_Vehicles%252526amp%25253Bhash%25253Ditem20ea 2159e1%252526amp%25253B_uhb%25253D1)

[mudski]

Something fishy there. Same guy selling both.

[Clunk]

Some posted up the 50“ jobbie in one of the fartbook groups last night....... might well have been similar

[megatexture]

A mates informed me that he's bought the 50" curved one and got notification it's been posted well see if it arrives lol

[Maxhead]

I'll post a pic or two when I get mine:) or am I just a sucker for a scam...LOL we'll see

[megatexture]

Haha yea im thinking about it, the only thing putting me off is the 21 day postage .

[mudski]

Ordered two 30inch bars and they have marked them as posted. This will be interesting.

[Maxhead]

Ordered two 30inch bars and they have marked them as posted. This will be interesting.


Yeah, I got one of each and have a tracking number as well but can't track it yet...might take a day or so...or it might be a scam...bwahahhah. Love it!

[megatexture]

I think its legit, they are fishing for reviews as they are only new seller so I bet they are trying to get that up with quick cheap sales

[BigRAWesty]

914 50" bars sold...

I'll grab a 50"

[Winnie]

50" too big and I think the 30" is ugly... Can't they put something I will use on there for a ridiculous price? A nice slimline bar at the price would be nice.

[deanfurley]

I got a 50" ordered depending on quality it will make a hell of a reversing light

[mudski]

Yeah, I got one of each and have a tracking number as well but can't track it yet...might take a day or so...or it might be a scam...bwahahhah. Love it!

Yeah we'll see...I was going to order a 50inch one but have no need for something of that size.

[Clunk]

Over 1000 of the 50“ and 200 of the 30“..... $60k in a couple of days not bad going

[megatexture]

Over 1000 of the 50“ and 200 of the 30“..... $60k in a couple of days not bad going

That'll certainly feed the kids in the factory lol

[P4trol]

The original eBay seller the thread was created about sold quite a few bars too...

[Clunk]

The original eBay seller the thread was created about sold quite a few bars too...

Yeah but how many were posted and how many people were refunded lol

[Maxhead]

I'm not counting my chickens but hey you never know, one day, that one day I might just score a bargain..LOL

[sooty_10]

This is in My Ebay for the lightbar purchase :(

"We had to remove this listing from the site and you're not required to complete the transaction. If you've already sent payment, the sale should process as normal and you don't have anything to worry about. If you have any questions about delivery, please check tracking or contact your seller. If you run into any trouble along the way eBay is here to help. Please visit the Resolution Centre to help resolve any problems you may encounter."

Also.....

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[BigRAWesty]

So once again the scamer walks away with a cool 60 thou and disappeares off the face of the earth and paypal is left to mop up the mess, refund the money and in turn up it's fees etc to cover this crap..

[mudski]

So once again the scamer walks away with a cool 60 thou and disappeares off the face of the earth and paypal is left to mop up the mess, refund the money and in turn up it's fees etc to cover this crap..

Its not that easy to hide from Paypal. But we'll see what happens...

[P4trol]

Yeah but how many were posted and how many people were refunded lol

Maybe, How many extra days did he buy (before being deregistered) by clicking the "item posted" button?

[deanfurley]

So once again the scamer walks away with a cool 60 thou and disappeares off the face of the earth and paypal is left to mop up the mess, refund the money and in turn up it's fees etc to cover this crap..

That assumes that Paypal charge the minimum amount the can. Which they don't they charge the most. It eats into PayPals profits.

If pay pal through they could increase there fees they will any way.

But I agree with you it ain't right, there again nor are PayPal's fees, I feel bad for anyone who didn't use PayPal but, now I gotta work out how to get my money back

[megatexture]

Just lodge a claim with paypal you are covered for like 30k per month using pay pal

[BigRAWesty]

That assumes that Paypal charge the minimum amount the can. Which they don't they charge the most. It eats into PayPals profits.

If pay pal through they could increase there fees they will any way.

But I agree with you it ain't right, there again nor are PayPal's fees, I feel bad for anyone who didn't use PayPal but, now I gotta work out how to get my money back

Paypal only charge roughly 3%..
So say 1000 got sold, $3000 for paypal..
Nit bad for 2 days..

But its a long way short of the $50,000 people will be expecting and they can't loose money

[megatexture]

Unless they dropped there fees it was 4%

[BigRAWesty]

Unless they dropped there fees it was 4%

Not 100% sure. Probably is 4

[mudski]

Not 100% sure. Probably is 4

I get charged 2.4%.....