ufi turbo?

[89gqpatrol4x4]

I sent ufi a email the other day and they sent back this.

Hi Rob,

I believe that the TD05-16 small will be the turbo you are looking for. This turbo will tick all the boxes that you have mentioned in your email.

The price of this unit is $2350 inc of gst.

If you have any further questions please ask.


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From: Rob Billington [mailto:robbillington@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2014 4:15 PM
To: sboyle@unitedfuel.com.au
Subject: turbo

Hi,

I have a 1989 gq td42 and would like to turbo it. I am based in Brisbane but you guys have a pretty good reputation on the patrol forums, so I thought i’d find out what you offer!

The car is an 89 gq td42
I have a standard gu turbo manifold to go on
A dts air box

What i want is more power for going up hills on the highway etc and beach driving. I have low range gears and think that it has enough power for most of the slow stuff i do.
I was thinking about quick response/ spool time and moderate to low boost i.e. no more than 14 psi. I have not decided wether i will run an intercooler but at this stage probably not so boost may even be a little lower.
What do you offer for this application, price etc? Not expecting a race car but bit more go would be great!

Many thanks

Rob


That's a shit load of money! would it be that great?

[PMC]

G'day Rob,

I had a UFI TD05 16G and they are a great turbo, however, i have now got a Kinugawa TD05 18G and it is a better turbo for low down torque and pulling power for towing my Jayco Hawk Off-Road camper trailer. There is a massive price difference between the two brands;

1. UFI turbo TDO5 16G $2350 inc of gst. Delivery can be anywhere from 14 days to 6 weeks depending if they have them in stock.

2. UFI turbo TDO5 18G with billet wheel $3000 inc of gst. Delivery can be anywhere from 14 days to 6 weeks depending if they have them in stock.

3. Kinugawa TD05 16G $790.00 inc of gst and delivered in 6 days from the factory in Taiwan.

4. Kinugawa TD05 18G with billet wheel $900.00 inc of gst and delivered in 6 days from the factory in Taiwan.

Check with nissannewby regarding the UFI 18G turbo as he has got one of those.

PS, do your research before you buy, work out your budget and know what you can afford before parting with your hard earned cash.

Kind regards,

RLI

[89gqpatrol4x4]

thanks mate, that's what this thread is about research and as you said $2300 is a huge deal to me (as it is a lot of people) so I want to get it right!

[PMC]

G'day Rob,

If you want something in between, i highly recommend the Garrett turbo set-up. There is a few members on this forum that have them and they are a fantastic product with great after sales and service.

My next project was going to be the Garrett turbo set-up, unfortunately due to my wife's needs being an automatic, i am now going down the 6.5 chev market. Otherwise i was definitely going to go down the Garret path.

PS, i hope this also helps you with your research.

Regards,

RLI

[philfree]

RLI what specs is your 18g? and how long have you had it im looking at buying one thats all
thanks

[love ke70]

I have one of the UFI 16g,
I am interested RLI that you say the 18g is spooling better than the 16, the 18 is meant to be the bigger turbo with more lag and more top end, the 16g better for loads etc.

The UFI 16g is pushing 20PSI by 2000rpm,
in first you might find tis a little doughy up to 1400ish, I am going to get diesel central to have a bit of tweak with mine and see if we cant get it on song a bit lower down.

everyone needs to remember the turbo is post air filter, if the taiwanese turbo lets go, one of 3 things can happen. Well theres more than 3 things, but lets be a doomsday-ist here.
1, spits a exhaust wheel, down the exhaust it goes and you fish it out the muffler and buy a new turbo. not so bad.
2, spits a comp wheel, you get an engine full of metal and rebuild the motor. rather bad.
3, spits oil seal into comp wheel housing, diesel will burn oil as well as they burn diesel, essentially operating at full noise until the engine goes bang, usually because it runs out of oil to lubricate the bearings, as its busy burning it all as fast as it can pump it into the air intake, the bearing spins on the crank and siezes, the rod has no option but to snap under the rotating force and punches out the side of the block.
at which point you hope the motor stops, but it might take a touch longer yet.

this is all worst case, but it is also why I dont mess around with cheap turbos. Those sellers dont care if your turbo shits itself and costs you a 12K motor, guys like UFI do.

Cheers, Andy

[PMC]

I have one of the UFI 16g,
I am interested RLI that you say the 18g is spooling better than the 16, the 18 is meant to be the bigger turbo with more lag and more top end, the 16g better for loads etc.

The UFI 16g is pushing 20PSI by 2000rpm,
in first you might find tis a little doughy up to 1400ish, I am going to get diesel central to have a bit of tweak with mine and see if we cant get it on song a bit lower down.

everyone needs to remember the turbo is post air filter, if the taiwanese turbo lets go, one of 3 things can happen. Well theres more than 3 things, but lets be a doomsday-ist here.
1, spits a exhaust wheel, down the exhaust it goes and you fish it out the muffler and buy a new turbo. not so bad.
2, spits a comp wheel, you get an engine full of metal and rebuild the motor. rather bad.
3, spits oil seal into comp wheel housing, diesel will burn oil as well as they burn diesel, essentially operating at full noise until the engine goes bang, usually because it runs out of oil to lubricate the bearings, as its busy burning it all as fast as it can pump it into the air intake, the bearing spins on the crank and siezes, the rod has no option but to snap under the rotating force and punches out the side of the block.
at which point you hope the motor stops, but it might take a touch longer yet.

this is all worst case, but it is also why I dont mess around with cheap turbos. Those sellers dont care if your turbo shits itself and costs you a 12K motor, guys like UFI do.

Cheers, Andy

G'day Andy,

Check out the 4.2 turbo diesel 200 killer wasp club! thread regarding turbo info performance.

PS, you are correct with your opinion regarding Chinese turbo's and for one would not purchase one. However i was very impressed the Kinugawa turbo, after pulling both the UFI and Kinugawa turbo's apart i could not tell them apart, i would not be surprised if they were sourced from the same factory in Taiwan.

Regards,

RLI

[MudRunnerTD]

G'day Andy,

Check out the 4.2 turbo diesel 200 killer wasp club! thread regarding turbo info performance.

PS, you are correct with your opinion regarding Chinese turbo's and for one would not purchase one. However i was very impressed the Kinugawa turbo, after pulling both the UFI and Kinugawa turbo's apart i could not tell them apart, i would not be surprised if they were sourced from the same factory in Taiwan.

Regards,

RLI

4-2-turbo-diesel 200 Killer Wasp Club (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?21588-4-2-turbo-diesel-200-killer-wasp-club!/page9)

[Stropp]

i am very happy with my ufi 16g large that i bought from RLI when he purchased the kinugawa, in fact im extremely happy with the performance now, it drives like a car :)

[love ke70]

RLI, do you work with these things to know the difference between them?
not trying to be rude, genuine question.

Cheers, Andy

[love ke70]

Also, I read the last page of the thread, and will endeavour to read the whole thing, but do you have back to back graphs with boost vs rpm vs hp to see just where the 18 g is outperforming or outperformed by the 16g

have the UFI turbos changed over time? I know when I got mine they told me they bought them and then did something something to them then sent them on, I thought they said something about compressor wheel/housing mods.
Could be wrong.

Also are they really selling them for 2700 now? I am almost positive I paid 1800 for mine...

[Dales300exc]

My quote was 3200 for a 18g, manifold, all lines and dump pipe. Its a lot of money but id rather do it once. From UFI.

Cheap turbos are a concern if not running an intercooler, but if you run a cooler it will catch all the shit if the turbo fails anyway, and you will notice lack of power long before the engine sucks in oil and runs away (takes a bit to fill a front mount with oil).

So if you run and $400 china turbo, make bloody sure you run a $150 front mount to catch the shit if and when it goes boom.

[PMC]

RLI, do you work with these things to know the difference between them?
not trying to be rude, genuine question.

Cheers, Andy

G'evening Andy,

No offence taken mate.

Due to me being forced into semi retirement due to ill-health, i needed something to keep me sane. With my hobby being my Patrol and Jayco Off-Road camper trailer i was in a position to try different set-ups due to the amount of confusing advice out there.

I was and still am, sick and tired of turbo suppliers bagging the crap out of each others products (totally un-professional in my opinion!) So the best way was for me to try products that i thought were the best option for me. ie the UFI TD05 16G, TD05 18G 8cm Kinugawa and finally i was going to try next the Garrett set-up, before i have decided to go down the 6.5 chev path.

There was other turbo's that were also recommended to me, however, after conducting my research i decided that the above three turbo's were the right way to go.

Before i joined the Army, my civilian background was a year 3 apprentice motor mechanic before i decided to give it way because, i wanted some adventure in my life.

I have always played with and built many engines over the years for the various cars that i had.

PS, I hope i have answered your question.

Kind regards,

RLI

[PMC]

Also, I read the last page of the thread, and will endeavour to read the whole thing, but do you have back to back graphs with boost vs rpm vs hp to see just where the 18 g is outperforming or outperformed by the 16g

have the UFI turbos changed over time? I know when I got mine they told me they bought them and then did something something to them then sent them on, I thought they said something about compressor wheel/housing mods.
Could be wrong.

Also are they really selling them for 2700 now? I am almost positive I paid 1800 for mine...

G'day Andy,

UFI modify there TDO5 16G's and other TDO5 variants, they are a totally different turbo than a Kinugawa TDO5 16G or a factory Mitsubishi TDO5 16G. UFI do certain mods to there turbos, you would have to ask Matt Craig that question.

I am totally unaware if UFI have changed there turbos, that's another question that you would have to ask Matt.

Folks, there is nothing wrong with UFI turbo's if you can afford the price, then buy one, however, if you are on a budget due to financial restraints, then the Kinugawa turbo is fine. If you want something in between the two, then the Garrett is the way to go.

However, please do not spend your hard earned cash on the Chinese rubbish that is out there between the $250.00 and $500.00 mark.

PS, this is only my opinion!

Regards,

RLI

[Dales300exc]

I just read the other thread, and I must also say, you are comparing a 16g to an 18g. Regardless of brand thats not a fair comparison. If you were comparing a 18g kinugawa to a 18g ufi then I think the results would be more relevant.

[love ke70]

I am still intrigued how/why you are getting better response, or atleast I read it as that is what you are saying, from the 18g over the 16g, when the 16g is meant to be for low end power?

or have I missed a step somewhere?

Cheers, Andy

[PMC]

I just read the other thread, and I must also say, you are comparing a 16g to an 18g. Regardless of brand thats not a fair comparison. If you were comparing a 18g kinugawa to a 18g ufi then I think the results would be more relevant.

G'day Dales300exc,

I offered an opinion based on 89gqpatrol4x4 when he stated the following “What i want is more power for going up hills on the highway etc and beach driving.”

Because I have had several turbo set-ups, I then offered my opinion based on the various turbo set-ups that I have had over the last two years. After posting an opinion 89gqpatrol4x4 then replied with the following statement;

“thanks mate, that's what this thread is about research and as you said $2300 is a huge deal to me (as it is a lot of people) so I want to get it right!”

I have two friends that have the UFI 18G set-ups and both gents are amazed with the performance of my current Kinugawa TD05 18G 8cm set-up.

Regards,

RLI

[Winnie]

I can't believe how expensive the UFI turbos are compared to a Garrett. The best quote I had on the Garrett GTX2863R was $1700, which I am now running with and it's great. 20psi @ 2000rpm

[PMC]

I am still intrigued how/why you are getting better response, or atleast I read it as that is what you are saying, from the 18g over the 16g, when the 16g is meant to be for low end power?

or have I missed a step somewhere?

Cheers, Andy

G'day Andy,

You will notice that there has been a trend over the last 12 months that UFI customers have up-graded from the 16G set-ups to the UFI 18G set-ups because you can get more power/torque from the 18G configuration.

It is an absolute fallacy to think that there is a massive difference in turbo response between the 16g and 18g, if any thing it is only quite moderate. I have found that the 18g pulls harder under load and gives me better top end speed by 15ks with the 18g over the 16g. However, it comes down to what you want. If you want to go down the path of the 200kw club then the 18g is the way to go as you have more options to play with ie, 12mm pump, 4inch snorkel and large airbox, water/meth set-up etc etc.

Classic example; here i Coffs Harbour travelling up some of the hills, when i had the factory turbo set-up i was at one stage changing down to second gear to get my Patrol to climb, with UFI 16G set-up, same hill, i only had to drop to third gear, same hill with the 18g set-up, i only change from fifth to forth gear, due to the better power/torque range.

When i travelled to Sydney on several occasions from Coffs, with the 16g set-up climbing some of the steep hills on the F3 motorway between Newcastle and Sydney, under load the best i could achieve those hills was in third gear. However at Christmas when my family and I travelled to Victoria the same stretch of highway i only had to change down from fifth to forth gear with the 18g.

One of my friends who is in the Coffs Harbour 4x4 club achieves the same results with his UFI 18g set-up when travelling to Sydney.

My opinion again, i prefer the TD05 18G turbo set-up, whether you buy a UFI or Kinugawa set-up. If you can afford the UFI turbo then buy it. If you cannot afford $3,000, then you can still have fun with a $900.00 Kinugawa set-up.

PS, as previously stated, it gets down to personal choice and what you want out of your turbo set-up!

Regards,

RLI

[Dales300exc]

I like your response. Very informative. I understand what you mean now. Kinugawas sound like a brilliant buy for the budget minded :)

[love ke70]

RLI, have any other mods been done in this time too? IE fuel pump, better exhaust or intake etc etc?

for the record, I remember out west on 35s with my old safari turbo, 14psi, LPG fumigation and a maxed out GQ pump, pulling back in from overtaking road trains at 155 and it still had more legs, and thats uncorrected speed.

with the new setup and the 200hp pump, it would do this without even thinking about it, top speed would be limited by the rest of the vehicle not the hp.

just makes me wonder if you are not/never have been getting enough fuel to make the turbo you have do what you want it to do, still odd the bigger turbo is more responsive for you. not arguing the point with you, more trying to understand you setup and modifications as a whole, to get a clearer idea of what will and wont work for people.

Cheers, Andy

[PMC]

RLI, have any other mods been done in this time too? IE fuel pump, better exhaust or intake etc etc?

for the record, I remember out west on 35s with my old safari turbo, 14psi, LPG fumigation and a maxed out GQ pump, pulling back in from overtaking road trains at 155 and it still had more legs, and thats uncorrected speed.

with the new setup and the 200hp pump, it would do this without even thinking about it, top speed would be limited by the rest of the vehicle not the hp.

just makes me wonder if you are not/never have been getting enough fuel to make the turbo you have do what you want it to do, still odd the bigger turbo is more responsive for you. not arguing the point with you, more trying to understand you setup and modifications as a whole, to get a clearer idea of what will and wont work for people.

Cheers, Andy

G'day Andy,

The best top speed that i have got out of the Patrol, was at Christmas time, on a section of the Hume hwy at 3.00am. I managed to hit 145ks. That was running on 33's (285x75x16) tyres.

My Patrol is a 2001 GU 4.2 turbo diesel wagon with all the bells and whistles including steel full length roof rack. She has 255,000ks on the clock, with still the original injectors and injector pump.

Both nissannewby and I have tuned her several times over the last twelve months, ie fuel pin rotated 180 degrees, both nylon washers removed, so there is minimal tension on the spring fuel pin/diafram spring. The injector pump has been advanced by 3mm for better response.

I fitted a new All terrain clutch when i fitted the UFI TDO5 16G turbo and 3inch exhaust system. I have modified the air intake from 90mm to 105mm coming from the snorkel internal fitting to the airbox. I am also running a UFI 3.5inch airbox lid.

When i had the Patrol dyno tuned in Geelong at Christmas at Dalton Automotive, Chris Dalton advised me that the pump was maxed out, (which both nissannewby and I both already knew at the time.) The TDO5 18G was making 25psi boost, which only 19psi was effectively been used, due to the injector pump was unable to produce the fuel that was required.

Chris advised me that a DC (Diesel Central) 12mm injector pump and matching injectors would really get the turbo performing to its proper potential.

So at present, my Patrol is producing 127 rear wheel kw's. As previously stated, the tune that both nissannewby and I had done was well and truly on the money, Chris did 6 runs only managing a 2kw increase in power. The first run produced 125 rear wheel kw's.

You can view further info and photo's on my build thread. (RLI's Patrols)

PS, Andy, with me up grading to a 6.5 chev diesel auto, would it benefit by 63% transfer reduction gears or 85%?

Kind regards

Paul

[love ke70]

Hey mate, cheers for the info.

So the pump was at its max with both the 16g and the 18g?

very interested results.

I may be off to see diesel central at the end of this week so I might have a chat with them about their findings on the dyno :)

in terms of the reduction gears, I think with the auto you wouldnt have an issue with either the 63 or the 85.

are you getting the auto built with lock up switch etc etc to help on downhills?
if you are, then the 63 may be better, if you are not the 85 may give you more control downhill. This all comes down to your diff ratio though, as the standard autos are low, but you are manual at the moment so if keeping your ratio, you may find the 85 too low.
also depends what you drive and how?
if you wanna jump in, placing order tomorrow lol. undecided whether I will buy extra sets or not.

Cheers, Andy

[89gqpatrol4x4]

Thanks for the advice guys, definitely leaning more one way now I think.