Painting Parky's GQ with a Roller

[Parksy]

Hi all

I'll be starting my paint job on the patrol shortly, but only a panel at a time using the rolled on paint method.(google it if you've never heard of it, you'll be impressed)

I'm just wondering how I go about removing the plastic strips that run along the bottom of the side doors. Are they clipped on or just glued?

Also, the window rubbers on the inside of the door frame, are these removable or will I have an aweful time trying to paint around these?

I will use this thread to update my progress and I'll post pictures for the curious ones, and I'll definitely be asking more questions about removing random items.

Cheers!

[TimE]

Can't answer your questions, but for those who don't know here you go for an example of roller painting


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qPJTTRWttQ

[MudRunnerTD]

Can't answer your questions, but for those who don't know here you go for an example of roller painting


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qPJTTRWttQ

That is Bloody Impressive!!!

I will watch this thread with interest. If you want me to i will change the thread name to "Roll On Paint job" or something like that if you are going to build this thread as a How to thread? Looking good mate

[Parksy]

Not a bad idea MR, I'd like that. Thanks!

Started on the bonnet...
Apparently the trick is to roll the paint on very thinly after you've diluted the paint about 50-50. I've used gloss black polyurethane enamel and diluted it with enamel thinners and penetrol. Has a consistency of about milk.

Bonnet had a few small dents but that was sorted. Ran across the entire bonnet with an electric sander which made a lot of dust...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/F1237F82-7E93-4B2D-BE7E-6B40ADF936D9-2532-0000028C325AFA20_zpscdebe1b7.jpg
So I took it outside and hosed it down as well as wet sanded with some 600 grit. The usual body prep applies...

This is the first coat applied. I'm not sure if I've gone too thick at the back of the bonnet or too thin at the front, but there is an obvious difference when you look closely. My biggest fear was orange peel, but fortunately not much has come up. I'll let this dry for half the day or more and will then wet sand it and apply another coat...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/048332A1-16A3-45E7-A843-5A160DD626DC-2532-0000028C42E692FD_zps43e70a58.jpg

[gaddy]

It is used on boats these days when they are been painted on a slip way , comes up a treat and gets around s bunch of environmental laws

[MudRunnerTD]

Not a bad idea MR, I'd like that. Thanks!

Started on the bonnet...
Apparently the trick is to roll the paint on very thinly after you've diluted the paint about 50-50. I've used gloss black polyurethane enamel and diluted it with enamel thinners and penetrol. Has a consistency of about milk.



Have you watched that video link? its bloody good if you have not mate. he shows and easy way to gauge the viscosity you need, he goes through the rubbing, type of paper, the orange peel etc. 6 minutes very very well spent mate. he even shows how to apply it. (Not what i would have done!)

[Parksy]

Yes have watched the video. It's interesting how he doesn't wet sand between each coats, instead puts down 2 layers then gives it a wet sand.
Here's a good forum dedicated to rolling paint. Lots of good information.
http://rolledon.forummotion.com

As it stands, the patrols bonnet has 2 coats and I'll give it a wet sand tomorrow morning.

[klompy]

Now thats cool.

[Parksy]

Things I've learnt today. I used wax and grease remover on the bonnet several times before applying paint, but still got fish eyes appearing. After giving the bonnet a wet sand this morning i used thinners followed by isopropyl alcohol and wiped the bonnet thoroughly and had much better adhesion.
Use a block when wet sanding. It's easier on the hands and will give a more uniform finish.

Penetrol does a great job of giving a nice finish, but does make the paint take a lot longer to dry. I tried a 50-50 mix today of just paint and thinners, and the paint does dry quicker, but the finish is not as nice. With the rolling it does create a lot of bubbles like in the video above, and this does make the whole process abit more difficult. Tried the hair dryer method but found this just made the paint dry quicker before the paint had a chance to self level. The penetrol did a good job of self leveling and the bubbles did just pop on their own. Will correct it in the morning with a wet sand and continue with the paint/penetrol/thinners mix.

Hoping the weather is nicer tomorrow so I can take some outside pics just to see how it's looking in the light. 4 coats at the moment and coverage is starting to look good!

[Parksy]

Coat number 5.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/B556D940-930A-415B-8EAE-C29E791D277A-438-000000586DEF44A9_zps8d0957f5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/7EAEF7F2-9D4B-4F0A-A631-A63BBE3FFA69-438-00000058685ABFE7_zps328a08e6.jpg

Still lots of tiny imperfections and orange peel, but appearing to get better with each coat. It's raining today so no outside pics unfortunately.


Edit: rain has stopped, quick snap shot.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/900D2A03-BF4B-4750-A265-C4E8482D0462-509-000000712A1F40F7_zpse73b0a22.jpg

[BLKWDW]

Getting there slowly mate. Looks good. Mite have a crack myself. What's the cost compared to normal spraying?

[growler2058]

Got me thinking about rolling the paint on my Torana now

[Bloodyaussie]

Looking good mate.... I once painted my old Nissan Urvan in undercoat with a roller brush, was such a shit job... I was proud!!

[threedogs]

Looking good, suppose it all in the prep work. As a good spray painter is worth gold,
great video TimE, saves buying compressor and all the paint over spray going every where
Two thumbs up for sure

[Parksy]

Getting there slowly mate. Looks good. Mite have a crack myself. What's the cost compared to normal spraying?

What do painters charge per panel? $300-500. At a rough guess,
Id say it has costed me about $30 to do the bonnet.

Gave the bonnet a wetsand before with 600g and a recoat and it's starting to look like glass. Still a few sections that need improving but I think this will come with subsequent coats and wet sanding. Looking promising!

[Parksy]

Coat number 8.

You can see the light in the reflection which also highlights the imperfections. There is also a "dry" roller mark you can see, which I've noticed only happens on the 2nd coat after a wetsand, so just like the video on page one, I'll finish with one thick coat after a wetsand.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/0D4064D4-BEB3-4421-B84F-FB06AA5A658B-1053-000000ECDB1A6546_zpsa98f9b0d.jpg

Hard to see, but there are the occasional spots of fluff and dirt and what not that is inevitable. Just a matter of wet sanding them off when it's dry.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/413B1595-58B3-471F-9731-D71516E5DB18-1053-000000ECE8F7D545_zps0b12d530.jpg

A bug landed on side part of the bonnet. I was acid!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/78797496-F85F-4994-B3AA-E5B1512D8BCA-1053-000000ECEF937A1A_zps274f05b7.jpg

[megatexture]

Looking good mate, is it time consuming? All the Sanding must suck lol

[AB]

I wouldn't worry too much about imperfections looks good to me. You'll end up scratching the hell out of it in the bush anyway...lol

[Parksy]

Haha true that.

Yes the sanding is a pain! Infact so much so that I risked the last wet sanding effort by using an electric palm sander and a spray bottle, and it was magical. It did the job effortlessly and left no scratches and I didn't electrocute myself or anything.

[megatexture]

Lol lucky for you you have a gq and most of the panels are flat so you can use the sander!

[klompy]

You would think the finished paint job would be thicker than spraying so thats a bonus.

[Parksy]

I think there is a lot of paint on the bonnet at the moment.
Anyway coat number 10 is on and looking better. Will be going on holiday for 2 weeks and won't be able to touch the patrol, but I think the paint will benefit as it needs a good dry.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/D198A1B2-3B02-4518-8AE4-3225E4DD1625-1782-000001A8F66D220B_zps5f735ac6.jpg

[growler2058]

Pics haven't worked!!! :(

[Parksy]

Not sure what's going on, photo bucket is being ghey!!

[Clunk]

odd thing is I can see pic#2 on MC but nothing at all via the computer

[growler2058]

odd thing is I can see pic#2 on MC but nothing at all via the computer

Nip I got nada on both ;(

[Clunk]

Nip I got nada on both ;(

Yep nothing for me now either :(

[Parksy]

Sorry folks, not sure what's going on. Taking kids Xmas light hunting, will fix later.

[Parksy]

Man hole in the roof and lots of reflections going on...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/E7471B7D-D04B-48C1-9B49-8ABA7C3B3EAA.jpg (http://s.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/E7471B7D-D04B-48C1-9B49-8ABA7C3B3EAA.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/C4CF28A0-E0F3-4E2C-B8B6-FB97C291647C.jpg (http://s.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/C4CF28A0-E0F3-4E2C-B8B6-FB97C291647C.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/EAC99882-900F-4BB7-B459-4EFC765FA53D.jpg (http://s.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/EAC99882-900F-4BB7-B459-4EFC765FA53D.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/DD3A74DD-0540-4D79-87C4-D6F787B95DC9.jpg (http://s.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/DD3A74DD-0540-4D79-87C4-D6F787B95DC9.jpg.html)
Compare above with coat number 8 and you can see a difference if you zoom in. The final cut and polish will make a world of difference!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/413B1595-58B3-471F-9731-D71516E5DB18-1053-000000ECE8F7D545_zps0b12d530.jpg (http://s.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/413B1595-58B3-471F-9731-D71516E5DB18-1053-000000ECE8F7D545_zps0b12d530.jpg.html)

[megatexture]

How any hrs would you say the bonnet will take all up ?

[Parksy]

Hard to say megatexture. The bonnet has been the learning curve so ofcourse it's taken longer than normal. But at a rough guess not including drying time, id say 12-15 hours over the last week maybe...

[Wine_maker]

I think my advise is already late, but bottom plastic parts on doors fixed on the plastic anchors and 2 side adhesive tape. Small parts only with tape.
I used strong steel wire to cut the tape.

[Parksy]

Thanks wine maker! Much appreciated!
Another pic which shows a little orange peel, but a final wet sand and polish will turn this into glass.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/DFC3603F-BC16-437B-ABD4-963D6060D15D.jpg (http://s.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/DFC3603F-BC16-437B-ABD4-963D6060D15D.jpg.html)

[Parksy]

Has anyone removed the rear barn door handle/number plate light assembly? I remember once having a quick look in there but can't remember if it was an easy removal...

[Irish]

It's pretty straight forward to take off mate.

[Parksy]

Ok, have been on holidays for the last 3 weeks and got home and carelessly gave it a buff and burnt through the paint at the same time. So I cracked the sh1ts and removed the bonnet, stripped it down and sprayed it instead.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/7ED53523-C0ED-4736-BE89-530FBE3DB8EE.jpg (http://s.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/7ED53523-C0ED-4736-BE89-530FBE3DB8EE.jpg.html)

Edit should have added that I haven't given up, just had enough of the bonnet, what with it being such a large section and hard to reach, especially while on the car. I couldnt do the roll on method while it was unbolted and off the car as I'll need the car to drive so sprayed on was the quickest and easiest option to get it out of the way.
Stay tuned.

[BigRAWesty]

Ok, have been on holidays for the last 3 weeks and got home and carelessly gave it a buff and burnt through the paint at the same time. So I cracked the sh1ts and removed the bonnet, stripped it down and sprayed it instead.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/7ED53523-C0ED-4736-BE89-530FBE3DB8EE.jpg (http://s.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/7ED53523-C0ED-4736-BE89-530FBE3DB8EE.jpg.html)

So are you spraying the rest or going to push on rolling?

[Parksy]

Sorry westy, decided to edit at the same time.

[opinion]

Nice job Parsky
I think i will try it also on my GQ. Did anyone of you guys know how to obtain mat (not glossy) aspect on paint? it shall be the paint itself or the varnish (here i don't know if i used the correct word ;) )

[Parksy]

Looking abit bare at the moment, but bonnet is back on.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/36E0931F-4821-4D8A-AD07-C57EC393C453.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/36E0931F-4821-4D8A-AD07-C57EC393C453.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/953D8A81-1D05-4902-91B3-C6D6A1E461A0.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/953D8A81-1D05-4902-91B3-C6D6A1E461A0.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/AE33AA25-592E-40B8-947C-8E308A81D386.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/AE33AA25-592E-40B8-947C-8E308A81D386.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/599975B0-2962-4715-80B3-955287FB9C62.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/599975B0-2962-4715-80B3-955287FB9C62.jpg.html)

[Parksy]

Opinion, i'm guessing you mean satin finish(not glossy). This surely would be readily available where you are. Boat shops?

[MudRunnerTD]

Looking abit bare at the moment, but bonnet is back on.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/36E0931F-4821-4D8A-AD07-C57EC393C453.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/36E0931F-4821-4D8A-AD07-C57EC393C453.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/953D8A81-1D05-4902-91B3-C6D6A1E461A0.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/953D8A81-1D05-4902-91B3-C6D6A1E461A0.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/AE33AA25-592E-40B8-947C-8E308A81D386.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/AE33AA25-592E-40B8-947C-8E308A81D386.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/599975B0-2962-4715-80B3-955287FB9C62.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/599975B0-2962-4715-80B3-955287FB9C62.jpg.html)

Are you doing the whole thing off a Gun now Parksey?? Looks sweet mate.

[Stropp]

that is looking very nice parksy

[Parksy]

Hey MR, truth is i think i will go the sprayed option after all. After doing both now, the rolled on method is very labour intensive and alot harder to get a good finish. With the gun i'm almost getting a perfect finish straight out of the gun. Plus i managed to get both front panels sanded, preped and painted all before lunch today. Will do the other panels in sections when i get a chance.
Some close ups of the front panels. Little bits of fluff found their way on, but compound will sort them out nicely. Only sanded them down with 320 grit. Came up nicely and barely any orange peel at all.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/0077A426-6D0C-4E50-8666-B9C4B3635CF0.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/0077A426-6D0C-4E50-8666-B9C4B3635CF0.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/3BC289E9-F5CB-4F5A-AB8C-2A2E563218A0.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/3BC289E9-F5CB-4F5A-AB8C-2A2E563218A0.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/8425B9E3-3995-4D15-949D-A7A1CC77667B.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/8425B9E3-3995-4D15-949D-A7A1CC77667B.jpg.html)

[lhurley]

Holy crap that looks good. I'm hoping my car looks that good after it's done at the panel beater.

[megatexture]

What finish comes up better? ... When you don't burn a hole in it lol

[Parksy]

When done properly, they both came out great. Sprayed is just easier.

[Avo]

Ohlala looking good Parksy

[megatexture]

So why did you put yourself through hell lol

[Parksy]

Because I'm a glutton for punishment.

[megatexture]

Ah well lol its going to look sweet when its all done !

[Parksy]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/C6F58780-8C4A-48EC-A581-730EF252BDA1.jpg (http://s.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/C6F58780-8C4A-48EC-A581-730EF252BDA1.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/21D036EB-480A-40D7-8746-6AA9B9B12759.jpg (http://s.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/21D036EB-480A-40D7-8746-6AA9B9B12759.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/AD53145D-10BD-40AF-9532-D03CA5EB17E7.jpg (http://s.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/AD53145D-10BD-40AF-9532-D03CA5EB17E7.jpg.html)

[Parksy]

Plan is to paint the rest of the patrol when time permits, and also repaint the flares and rear bumper in the same paint as the car. Also plan to replace the front grill with a chrome unit and change out the brake/indicator lights for nicer looking units.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/8B6D5427-FCA8-4CEA-9116-667A7EB151E0.jpg (http://s.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/8B6D5427-FCA8-4CEA-9116-667A7EB151E0.jpg.html)

[Stropp]

mate that is looking very nice, im impressed, sure it will look perfect when you are done.

[Clunk]

man, that looks pretty damn sweet........ don't envy you having to polish out the pin striping when it happens though!!!! lol..................think I'll stick to white

[BigRAWesty]

Very nice. Why black though??
If I repaint I'm doing a lighter colour..

[Parksy]

Thanks fellas. I think it looks better in person. Can't wait to do the rest. I do like black coloured cars. Plus they show dirt well so the German in me gives me a reason to wash the car with purpose as opposed to washing a car that is only kinda dirty? If that makes any sense?

[Stropp]

Yep so you are OCD lol :)

[Parksy]

Hahaha things in life are making sense now...

[Clunk]

Love black as well but I dislike cleaning lol

[Parksy]

Back together. Hosed the dust off.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/C575B848-034F-4ED1-92E9-2771D137A34E.jpg (http://s.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/C575B848-034F-4ED1-92E9-2771D137A34E.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Pakas/DA7B087D-B157-44E9-AB9E-50EE1F5501D7.jpg (http://s.photobucket.com/user/Pakas/media/DA7B087D-B157-44E9-AB9E-50EE1F5501D7.jpg.html)

[MudRunnerTD]

Hey Parksy what paint did you end up using? Was it an Enamal or 2Pak?