Qld laws

[Dave n xanths gu]

Tires???? Lift???? Radius arms????Light bars???? Everyone has a different interpretation or understanding on these subjects....

[lhurley]

What info are you after?? some what vague post imo

[Dave n xanths gu]

4inch susp lift... 305x70x17... Superior radius arms/super flex arms... 22in light bar mounted in centre on top of bullbar not wired into high beam... Is any of this legal??? All this is on a gu wagon... Radius arms can be engineered??? Tires are border line??? Lift laws are apparently changing or have changed from the old 2in lift law??? Light bars need to be even numbers and mounted symmetrically also wired into headlights??? But for offload use only??? I'm after any real info from anyone who actually knows n isn't just a IMO she'll be right mate...

[gaddy]

Mate with that list I be paying a visit to the dept of transport , also type each of those into there web site grab a beer snd start reading

Steve

[lhurley]

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Safety/Vehicle-standards-and-modifications/Vehicle-modifications/Light-vehicle-modifications.aspx

Link directly from the Transport and Main Roads website. It has all the links to whats legal.

Like you said in your first post, everyone has a different interpretation, well unfortunately so do all the police. The modification laws arent black and white, there is a a lot of gray areas.

[Drewboyaus]

The laws in Victoria (yes I know not QLD) are such that you can have a maximum of 75mm lift without requiring an engineers certificate as long as your suspension mod is part of a commercially available "kit". This includes a maximum of 50mm in suspension and 25mm in wheels/tyres. I'm pretty sure this now forms part of uniform regulations around the country.
As far as your lightbar goes, to be roadworthy it will certainly need to be wired into your high beam switch.


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[NP99]

Not to mention insurance...,,,,,

[oncedisturbed]

As Drew mentioned, it should be inline with VSB 14 across Oz

[BigRAWesty]

Light bar will be fine as its not a driving light.. It's a work light.. You can have as many as you want.. As long as you stay within the limits of height, width and nothing past front of bull bar you will be right.
As soOn as you wire into driving light system then you deal with pairs, etc..

[Winnie]

Light bar will be fine as its not a driving light.. It's a work light.. You can have as many as you want.. As long as you stay within the limits of height, width and nothing past front of bull bar you will be right.
As soOn as you wire into driving light system then you deal with pairs, etc..

How is that true? As they say lights on the front of the car need to be wired into your high beam circuit on a separate switch. Pretty sure work lights have to be rearward facing?

[threedogs]

Heard from another member who just had his Patrol engineered that they will now measure height from the Door handle.
Don't shoot the messenger

[Drewboyaus]

Light bar will be fine as its not a driving light.. It's a work light.. You can have as many as you want.. As long as you stay within the limits of height, width and nothing past front of bull bar you will be right.
As soOn as you wire into driving light system then you deal with pairs, etc..

I don't believe this to be correct. A 12000 lumen lightbar is not a worklight. Every cop in the land will bust you for having a separately switched forward facing lightbar.
If it was correctly wired in, you would be very unlucky to be done for having too many forward facing lights.


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[BigRAWesty]

I don't believe this to be correct. A 12000 lumen lightbar is not a worklight. Every cop in the land will bust you for having a separately switched forward facing lightbar.
If it was correctly wired in, you would be very unlucky to be done for having too many forward facing lights.


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It's written black and white in the regs.. No limit on work lights.. I can't see how they could do you for it if not wired to lights..
But I've never heard of anyone being done just for a light bar.. It's usually something bigger and then they start picking..

[Sir Roofy]

heard from another member who just had his patrol engineered that they will now measure height from the door handle.
Don't shoot the messenger

was there and saw the report

[lhurley]

was there and saw the report

How can they do that? Do they have a book of heights from manufacturer?? Or is it just a case of it looks to big therefore here's a fine.

[NissanGQ4.2]

As Drew mentioned, it should be inline with VSB 14 across Oz

hahahaha I don't think much is across oz when it comes to road regs

How long ago was it that they started talking about a National Code????? Still waiting

[Drewboyaus]

It's written black and white in the regs.. No limit on work lights.. I can't see how they could do you for it if not wired to lights..
But I've never heard of anyone being done just for a light bar.. It's usually something bigger and then they start picking..

Exactly. If your ride looks reasonably clean and presentable with no obvious crazy lift and tyres the cops won't bother. +4inch lift and 35's is cop bait.


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[BigRAWesty]

How is that true? As they say lights on the front of the car need to be wired into your high beam circuit on a separate switch. Pretty sure work lights have to be rearward facing?

I read it as any light wired into the high beam circuit has to be facing forward and wired threw a switch. So a work light can face award but wired separately.
But I guess it's how they interpret it on the night..

[janderson]

Here in Vic I believe you only allowed no more than 8 forward facing lights. Hi and lo beam are counted as separate. Have heard that some cops are counting every LED as a single light. Then booking you for having more than 8 forward facing lights.

[Drewboyaus]

Here in Vic I believe you only allowed no more than 8 forward facing lights. Hi and lo beam are counted as separate. Have heard that some cops are counting every LED as a single light. Then booking you for having more than 8 forward facing lights.

Good luck with that one in court. I reckon I could represent myself and beat that one!

Thing is though, like was pointed out earlier if you keep it looking nice and tidy the cops are unlikely to pull you over in the first place.


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[threedogs]

isn't it constitutional Law that one states laws are recognised by another state.
@ Bob yes I was paying attention lol
as Drewboyaus says keep your ride tidy , not that hard to do

[janderson]

isn't it constitutional Law that one states laws are recognised by another state.
@ Bob yes I was paying attention lol
as Drewboyaus says keep your ride tidy , not that hard to do

This is what I came across.

The constitution states there must be fair trade between states. I would say that a vehicle that was modified and certified as legal in one state would have to be legal in another. I would also say that the registration falls under the same constitutional law. Otherwise your registration would be void once you left the state.
The Australian Constitution of 1901 established a federal system of government, under which powers are distributed between the federal government and the states. The states and territories have independent legislative power in all matters not specifically assigned to the federal government. Where there is any inconsistency between federal and state or territory laws, federal laws prevail. Federal laws apply to the whole of Australia. So a police officer that fined you/impounded your car would be breaking constitutional law yes?
Section 18 of the Australian Consumer Law (ACL) states 'A person must not, in trade or commerce, engage in conduct that is misleading or deceptive or is likely to mislead or deceive'. However, the Competition and Consumer Act (CCA) is an act of the Parliament of Australia, so section 51 of the Australian Constitution (which sets out the division of powers between the federal and state parliaments) restricts the application. Section 18 is based on the corporations power (s51(xx) of the Constitution). The requirement 'in trade or commerce' creates a significant threshold issue.
Individuals may be ancillary liable for breaches of s18 if they are "knowingly concerned" in the breach (s75B of the CCA).
The prohibition on misleading conduct is set out in section 18(1) of the Australian Consumer Law:
"A person must not, in trade or commerce, engage in conduct that is misleading or deceptive or is likely to mislead or deceive."
Section 4(2)(a) of the CCA defines conduct as:
"...doing or refusing to do any act, including the making of, or the giving effect to a provision of, a contract or arrangement, the arriving at, or the giving effect to a provision of, and understanding or the requiring of the giving of, or the giving of, a covenant;"

So I would say a government organisation that licenses a person to issue modified vehicle reports in accordance with their state laws and does not have in place forms THAT STATE “the modified vehicle report is NOT valid in any other state or territory is guilty of an offence. In other words, the government agency that fails to disclose the limitations of the certificate/contract it charges for and issues is guilty of misleading conduct. You like that!
If your vehicle is defected in NSW but certified as compliant in any other state or territory, I’d say you could sue the Australian government, local and federal for breeches of the fair trade act and for denying your constitutional rights. Not to be prejudice toward modified vehicles, the individual states and territories would have to NOT recognise any other states registrations or standards across the board. If they did, they would be guilty of prejudice behavior.

[janderson]

something else to think about. From Vic Roads

VicRoads Customer Service Hi Jeff – ADR 18/02 specifies for vehicles manufactured after January 1995 must have a speedometer that indicates the actual vehicle speed, for all speeds above 40 km/h, to an accuracy of ± 10 per cent.

[Morton]

no its not constitutional, they are trying to work a code out for all states but some states are blocking it, Queensland wants near stock vehicles, you can drive through Queensland in a NSW engineered vehicle for 35's & 4" lift & still be booked cos it is illegal in Queensland, you will need to be registered & engineered in Queensland & good luck with that one, the RMS in NSW wanted all vehicles requiring Engineering to do a brake efficiency test requiring any vehicle to be brake tested at 160kph, try to get your diesel Patrol or an 80 S LC to that speed, test failed, engineering not approved, they nearly got it in, was approved by the Lower House but sent back before it got to the Upper House thanks to Allan Hayes

[janderson]

no its not constitutional, they are trying to work a code out for all states but some states are blocking it, Queensland wants near stock vehicles, you can drive through Queensland in a NSW engineered vehicle for 35's & 4" lift & still be booked cos it is illegal in Queensland, you will need to be registered & engineered in Queensland & good luck with that one, the RMS in NSW wanted all vehicles requiring Engineering to do a brake efficiency test requiring any vehicle to be brake tested at 160kph, try to get your diesel Patrol or an 80 S LC to that speed, test failed, engineering not approved, they nearly got it in, was approved by the Lower House but sent back before it got to the Upper House thanks to Allan Hayes

So if I’m a tourist from another country travailing with my car from another country, I get a permit to travel on Australia’s roads and an international license. I still have to conform to each states regulations. Or is this different. If so then when travelling interstate then maybe we need to apply for a permit for our cars and an interstate driver’s license.

[NissanGQ4.2]

If your vehicle is defected in NSW but certified as compliant in any other state or territory, I'd say you could sue the Australian government, local and federal for breeches of the fair trade act and for denying your constitutional rights. Not to be prejudice toward modified vehicles, the individual states and territories would have to NOT recognise any other states registrations or standards across the board. If they did, they would be guilty of prejudice behavior.

Good luck with that

[NissanGQ4.2]

Thing is though, like was pointed out earlier if you keep it looking nice and tidy the cops are unlikely to pull you over in the first place.


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Yes they probable won't but thats beside the point your still breaking the law.

What do you do at rego time, take of everything thats illegal or find a good mechanic that doesn't know the regs or doesn't care?

I do personally like the dodgy mechanics option but they're getting harder to finds around here as the RTA are cracking down hard on them

[B rad]

I to have been asking about lift limits in QLD legally and insurable limit is 2inch lift (suspension) 2inch body lift and 2inch bigger than factory wheel size anything else and you may have trouble words of the QLD RTA .
although I have talked to guys with 4 inch lifts( which is what I want also) and they say they don't even get looked at.

From what ive seen clean modern touring looking vehicles lifted probably get away with it but the young guys getting around with cut trays cut guards 35s muddies and probably cut exhausts to by the sound of them draw the unneeded attention.

Im in the same boat would like all this but at the same time my Nissan is my daily work vehicle so im trying to find happy medium as you may get away with it for years or the first cop or rta car to pull you over may put you off the road depending on how there day is going and I personally cant afford to do these things and come across problems.
this is why I joined thid forum to ask similar questions and see what guys do and don't get away with. will be following this post as all replies will be helpful for me also

[Drewboyaus]

Yes they probable won't but thats beside the point your still breaking the law.

What do you do at rego time, take of everything thats illegal or find a good mechanic that doesn't know the regs or doesn't care?

I do personally like the dodgy mechanics option but they're getting harder to finds around here as the RTA are cracking down hard on them

Don't need to do an annual roady in VIC. It's not an issue. Only need to do a roady when you register a vehicle (or transfer). Most mechanics won't be d!ckheads about it, especially the 4x4 specialists.
And that crap about defecting a car in QLD that conforms to another states regs. No fricken way Jose! I'll be seeing the QLD state in court for that one.


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[NissanGQ4.2]

Don't need to do an annual roady in VIC. It's not an issue. Only need to do a roady when you register a vehicle (or transfer). Most mechanics won't be d!ckheads about it, especially the 4x4 specialists.
And that crap about defecting a car in QLD that conforms to another states regs. No fricken way Jose! I'll be seeing the QLD state in court for that one.


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Keep forgetting you guys don't do yearly inspections...................very lucky state

Around my way the RTA have been cracking down on mechanics for passing cars that legally should not pass big time, well thats what I have heard from a few different mechs

[Drewboyaus]

I to have been asking about lift limits in QLD legally and insurable limit is 2inch lift (suspension) 2inch body lift and 2inch bigger than factory wheel size anything else and you may have trouble words of the QLD RTA .
although I have talked to guys with 4 inch lifts( which is what I want also) and they say they don't even get looked at.

From what ive seen clean modern touring looking vehicles lifted probably get away with it but the young guys getting around with cut trays cut guards 35s muddies and probably cut exhausts to by the sound of them draw the unneeded attention.

Im in the same boat would like all this but at the same time my Nissan is my daily work vehicle so im trying to find happy medium as you may get away with it for years or the first cop or rta car to pull you over may put you off the road depending on how there day is going and I personally cant afford to do these things and come across problems.
this is why I joined thid forum to ask similar questions and see what guys do and don't get away with. will be following this post as all replies will be helpful for me also

Mate, stick with what's legal. Why would you want to lift it any more than 2inches anyway?
A 2 inch lift, good tyres and a diff lock will get you 98% of places. Anywhere else and you're possibly breaking stuff, which given yours is a daily is something I suspect you don't want to be doing.....


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[NP99]

Mate, stick with what's legal. Why would you want to lift it any more than 2inches anyway?
A 2 inch lift, good tyres and a diff lock will get you 98% of places. Anywhere else and you're possibly breaking stuff, which given yours is a daily is something I suspect you don't want to be doing.....


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It's the way to go.....

[Morton]

So if I’m a tourist from another country travailing with my car from another country, I get a permit to travel on Australia’s roads and an international license. I still have to conform to each states regulations. Or is this different. If so then when travelling interstate then maybe we need to apply for a permit for our cars and an interstate driver’s license.

they apparently only target the more modified vehicles with illegal mods but everyone that I have spoken with usually fight it as the vehicle is legal in their state. Your drivers licence is National, ur vehicle registration is also national, it is the modifications that are not national, Queensland & NT Police are the toughest & it is based on that officers INTERPRETATION of that code or law, usually a letter to the proper Authorities is enough to squash it but it is the inconvenience of it all

[mudski]

something else to think about. From Vic Roads

VicRoads Customer Service Hi Jeff – ADR 18/02 specifies for vehicles manufactured after January 1995 must have a speedometer that indicates the actual vehicle speed, for all speeds above 40 km/h, to an accuracy of ± 10 per cent.
Yet you can be booked for speeding within the 10percent... Go figure.

[NP99]

Yet you can be booked for speeding within the 10percent... Go figure.

Or here in Qld, some days are zero tolerance.......

[Drewboyaus]

Or here in Qld, some days are zero tolerance.......

Nah, there is always 10%. At least in Victoria anyway. I was walking the dog one day and wandered past a camera car and the bloke had his door open (no I didn't set the dog on him) LMAO. Had a chat to him and watched the cars go past. When I asked why a car that registered at 65 wasn't photographed he said the camera didn't go off until 67.
They then factor in the error of the laser of 3km/h and Bobs your uncle, you receive a fine in the mail for doing 64km/h.
Made sense to me.

[Ben-e-boy]

Nah, there is always 10%. At least in Victoria anyway. I was walking the dog one day and wandered past a camera car and the bloke had his door open (no I didn't set the dog on him) LMAO. Had a chat to him and watched the cars go past. When I asked why a car that registered at 65 wasn't photographed he said the camera didn't go off until 67.
Made sense to me.

Nope in Qld the 10% leway has been lowered

[Drewboyaus]

Nope in Qld the 10% leway has been lowered

That's true, but they don't tell you which 10%.....
I reckon the lowered tolerance relates to the machine, not your speed.
As above, the machine tolerance will have been lowered as the technology gets better. Given the Australian standards allow a +/- 10% error in speedo readings it would almost be almost impossible to prosecute.

[Wazza_66]

From 2007 the rule changed. The speedo is now no longer allowed to read a speed above what the vehicle is doing. It has to be a 'safe' reading. It is also 10% plus 4 km/h so the speedo could indicate 114 and you are doing 100. At 100 on the speedo you could be doing anything between 83 and 100. So if you are picked up for speeding in a car manufactured after 2007, you are in fact speeding.

[janderson]

From 2007 the rule changed. The speedo is now no longer allowed to read a speed above what the vehicle is doing. It has to be a 'safe' reading. It is also 10% plus 4 km/h so the speedo could indicate 114 and you are doing 100. At 100 on the speedo you could be doing anything between 83 and 100. So if you are picked up for speeding in a car manufactured after 2007, you are in fact speeding.

that's right but pre 2007 vehicles are still + or - 10%

[gaddy]

I was out at charleville last week . Once it was common place that once you got past roma you pretty much put the peddle down and away you went , it is very noticeable these days that everyone sits either on or just under the speed limit , even the locals with the XXXX and bundy stickers and 4 post TUFF bars on a falcon ute , been a rep on the road each day I reckon there is alot more police present on the road anb they are just looking for a reason to pull you over , and if they find one thing you can bet they will start digging , at the end of the day its your word against theres , and their interpretation of the law ,

Steve