Electric rattle guns

[Moatmonster]

G'day all,

Just wondering if any of you blokes use something like this:http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/160857702147?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

If you do, any pros and cons.

Cheers
Moat

[threedogs]

I have the Kangaroo Creek imports 12 volt rattle gun if that's the term. Fully rebuildable great on stubborn nuts.
Plus saves my back as not using a wheel brace, Quicker when changing wheels at home.
Cost was $80 and think they aren't much more these days. Never tried the 240v jobs but can see you are limited to home use only.
18-24 volt jobs way too pricey so this may be just the thing for home workshop.
Had mine since 94 and never let me down yet.

[NP99]

What would be the main use for the gun?

[threedogs]

great shop that AGR machinery BTW

[Moatmonster]

G'day all,

Gun would be purely used for tyre rotations at home. I try and do it after dropping the oil but sometimes
cannot be buggered swinging a tyre brace especially when its 40+ degrees in the shade,just thought this
might make life a bit easier and motivate me a bit more.

[choochie]

If you've got cordless drills at home, then have a look for the skin-only rattle guns in the same model and use your existing batteries.

[kevin07]

used to have a hitachi one years ago it was a crack wonder whos using it now, and as threedogs said good company to deal with I have had good dealings with them in the past. cant see a problem with item for home use.

[megatexture]

I've got cordless and pneumatic and I know others that have the style that threedogs is referring to and rate them but I don't think they would last with regular use

[mattdoyle0493]

For what you guys do it's probably a little overkill... But as a diesel mechanic I payed $900 for a 1/2" Snap-On 18v cordless jigger, it's a big gun, but for a cordless gun it's got balls that match and sometimes outperform pneumatic guns (outperforms my JBS pneumatic gun) but with the portability that means I can nearly forget the compressor on the work ute!
Honestly the best $900 I have spent so far, but if you guys want any suggestions I reckon Makita make the best in the 2-300 $ range, we have between us makita's ryobis and hitachi s and I would definitely say Makita wins hands down.

Matt

[mattdoyle0493]

And I say $2-300 as you can get cheaper ones, I just have seen them in action and they aren't worth the box they come in!

[Punderhead]

I have a hitachi 1/2 gn, and it is fantastic. I hav shyer away from the makta's because the me guy at work who has that brand has had no end of trouble with them.

Whatever you decid, just remember to do the final tighten of the wheels nuts by hand, for two reasons. 1, being that you have felt they are all tight, and 2. When you are on the Sideof the road and you forgot to charge your battery you can undo them by hand

Cheers

[mattdoyle0493]

If you wanted to get real technical, 120ft-lb (160nm) is a fairly standard torque for the light gear, you're not all going to carry a torque wrench but if you've got one in the shed torquing wheel nuts is always a good idea

[megatexture]

If you wanted to get real technical, 120ft-lb (160nm) is a fairly standard torque for the light gear, you're not all going to carry a torque wrench but if you've got one in the shed torquing wheel nuts is always a good idea

Mine lives in the gu lol and ive taught the missus how to use it.

[Rustyboner81]

I run a makita 350Nm 240v electric impact.
Its really handy for everything. Generally i crack bolts first and spin them out.
But have used it to take crown wheel bollts out while holding the diff center between my feet

[threedogs]

Seems you only need it for home use, in that context I would think its fine but I've never seen one in action. Maybe ask AGR a question.
@ MT Ive had my 12v "rattle gun " for over 15yrs and never let me down , but there are better options out there, but for $80 I no complain.

[Drewboyaus]

If you've got cordless drills at home, then have a look for the skin-only rattle guns in the same model and use your existing batteries.

I did the same. Was in Bunnings one day and they had the Ryobi ones on sale to match my other tools. Picked it up for 90 bucks without battery. One if the most used tools I own now.


Tip tip tip......tap tap tap....

[threedogs]

Everytime you get new tyres etc get them to torque the nuts cause if you pop a bead or get a flat , you'll need to undo and change wheels over yourself.
A few times shops have used rattle guns only . I couldn't loosen them, had to put 4 ft of pipe on wheel brace,
Now I make sure I can remove with a wheel brace or pack the 12v "rattle gun" before going anywhere

[mattdoyle0493]

Also using a rattle gun only and over tightening them can not only make them hard to get off; plenty of times I have seen wheel nuts done up with rattle guns and either were thought to be good and they weren't tight enough and the nuts have vibrated loose, and in other cases the rattle gun has stretched the wheel studs and either the studs have snapped when they start to get knocked around, or the nuts simply loosen off! Again. Always tongue wheel nuts haha!

Matt

[mattdoyle0493]

Always tongue wheel nuts haha bloody auto correct; torquing wheel nuts is preferred to to "tongueing" them... !

[MudRunnerTD]

I have a couple of rattle guns!

I have an Atlas Copco pneumatic 1/2" drive that i only use rarely as its a pain in the arse to run air into the yard to use it.

I have an 18v Makita Rattle gun (The big one) and it is great but on occasion will still not crack a wheel nut. I did a 4 wheel rotation in teh drive way last night and the Makita cracked 60% of the nuts. The rest i did the old fashion way. The Makita is good for fast strip and install jobs but you have to nip things up. on completion last night i then went over every nut with the Torque wrench to 120ft/pb.

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/07/73.jpg

I also have a 12v rattle gun that simply Blows my Mind every time i get ti out. I dont use it very often and only when the going gets tough and all other avenues have failed (because i am lazy and cant be shagged running the lead out ;) )

But without question the most amazing bit of kit! I have cracked the un-crackable! I have undone the front pulley bolt on the front of an Alternator that was free to spin holding the Alternator in one hand and this thing in the other! (Not possible i thought!) Hell Yes it is!!

These things are simply awesome and will change your wheel nuts till the cows come home. Do Not under-estimate this little thing!

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/06/3.jpg

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/07/74.jpg

http://www.kcimports.com.au - KCI Impact Wrench (http://www.kcimports.com.au/item.php?i=31)

In a Heart beat i would buy one of these again!

Here is a copy on ebay for under $50!

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Advanded-Design-3-5KG-12V-Impact-Wrench-Easiest-Way-to-Change-a-Wheel/170893452121?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%2 6asc%3D11%26meid%3D9149877478698173232%26pid%3D100 011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D1807069 59490%26

[Winnie]

I bought a Ryobi one from Bunnings. I already have the battery and charger so the gun only cost $130. It's torquey as, did all my wheel nuts
Mate has a makita 240V one which is insane. There's nothing it won't turn.

Trying to use Motorculture

[threedogs]

@ Winnie that's good value, at $130,

[matthewperk]

I'm also a fan of the Ryobi, I have the 18v Impact wrench. I use it to swap tyres regularly and it's great for the quick trackside swap as well. I leave it with a spare battery in my draws full time.

I get through 2.5 vehicles before it starts dying with a 1.3amp battery.

Great bit of kit for $99 from Bunnings (on sale).

[Moatmonster]

Well , i went for the Kangaroo creek jobby: http://www.kcimports.com.au/item.php?i=31
Rocked up yesterday so tyre changing today after night shift.
Well let you know my thoughts.

[mattdoyle0493]

Well , i went for the Kangaroo creek jobby: http://www.kcimports.com.au/item.php?i=31
Rocked up yesterday so tyre changing today after night shift.
Well let you know my thoughts.

How did it go mate?


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[Moatmonster]

How did it go mate?

Sorry for the delay in getting back to everyone,got pissed instead after night shift and too hungover the next day.
Well after a dubious start,i can highly rate this piece of kit.
I initially had the battery clamp extension on but blew 2 fuses in about 2 mins,don't know why it chucked a spaz,but it did.
Reverted back to the cig plug connection (fuse covered in cigarette foil) and the rattle gun worked like a gem.
It took about 3 rattles on average to remove the nuts from the front ,rear wheels taking on average around 4.
Putting the tyre back on i rattled them 3 times and pinched them up with the brace(which took bugger all)
All up, 5 tyres changed and rotated in less than an hour.Very very happy with the rattle gun and price.