Trailer leaf springs question.

[MEGOMONSTER]

I think I need to upgrade the leaf springs on my boat trailer as I am carrying quite a bit of weight when camping and the guards are getting close to the tyres when ladened and I'm worried one day it will touch and go boom.
Do I need to just add extra leafs or do I need to change the entire pack with heavy duty leaf springs.

[gaddy]

Just a thought instead of springs why not lift the guards 20mm by making a spacer , as I would imagine its not loaded heavy most of the time .

Steve

[paulyg]

If its anything like my boat trailer you probably don't have a lot of room above your guards.
Trailer leaf springs are not to dear, I would just buy some heavier springs.

[pearcey]

Gay Mego.
Knowing boat trailer springs they will more than likely be a bit rusty and when you remove the centre bolt you may find more than you bargained for. But if they are OK then just add an extra spring. Spring packs are not that dear but stay away from imported stuff. Try a spring manufacturer as they will have the right rated spring you need.

[pearcey]

Sorry MEGO it`s suppose to be G`DAY

[nissannewby]

Sorry MEGO it`s suppose to be G`DAY

I think you got it right in the first place :p.

Springs dont last forever, source a heavier new set and you will be sweet. As above they are relatively cheap.

[macca]

Probably stating the obvious, please excuse me if I am.
Raising the guards probably hits the boat?
Boats are convenient things to carry camping gear in, a local RTA/RMS inspector told me every holiday they have a field day walloping campers that have overloaded their trailer tyres, springs and axles, and the compliance plate.
If you do upgrade your springs Mego it is not that expensive to get the compliance redone to cover your increase from original design. No worries with insurance either.
Be safe

[TPC]

Gay Mego.
.

Was that a Freudian slip Pearcey, do you know something we don't?

[MEGOMONSTER]

The trailer is less than 2 yrs old.
So best just take to a suspension joint and have them do the lot.
Good idea with the plate too.
I probably would have only put in an extra leaf.

[MEGOMONSTER]

Just a thought instead of springs why not lift the guards 20mm by making a spacer , as I would imagine its not loaded heavy most of the time .

Steve

Looked at the guards today and there is only about 30-40mm between the boat and the guard.
I also noticed there is only 3 leaves on the trailer and that they seem to have NOT bounced back all the way.

[happygu]

Not too hard a project to do yourself Mego,

Probably save yourself $100 - $200

Mic

[threedogs]

mego go to the trailer place in Garden Drive Tullamarine next to Total Tools
and talk to Scotty about your problem Good prices as well

[MEGOMONSTER]

Not too hard a project to do yourself Mego,

Probably save yourself $100 - $200

Mic

You mean to add a leaf or to change the entire set.

[FNQGU]

Mego,

I have an off road trailer for a 12 foot tinnie that I just dealt with for the same problem. The springs had sagged over the last 6-7 years of hammering and I simply got them re-set by one of our local spring works mobs for a very reasonable cost. Got them raised by 35mm and rated for the loads that I generally carry in the tinnie when camping. My advice, get someone who knows springs to do this job for you. Estimate your total weight that you will be carrying and go from there. Don't underestimate just how much weight ends up on the trailer when the boat is loaded with fuel and gear.

BenK

[happygu]

You mean to add a leaf or to change the entire set.

Either.....

I would probably change the set, as then you only have to undo the axle bolts, and the shackle pin....

If you add a leaf, unless it is just a helper spring, you have to undo all the bolts and shackle pins, as well as unpack and repack the spring set.

Use some Penetrene or similar on the bolts to make it easy.

I just bought and used some Locktite Freeze and Release Spray from one of the major auto shops, for undoing all my exhaust bolts and studs and it worked extremely well.
30230

Mic

[MEGOMONSTER]

Don't underestimate just how much weight ends up on the trailer when the boat is loaded with fuel and gear.

BenK

Don't I know this. I got a lot of weight, especially when I have 5 Star camping for the Missus.

[FNQGU]

Mine might have been a bit simpler, it depends on the amount of gear when camping... I estimated that I had about 300kgs on some remote trips when I added a couple of 20ltr drums for water, 3 or 4 for fuel, and all the rest... plus the esky full of ice for the rum. It adds up quickly. I don't know how big your boat is, but it doesn't take long to look at your inventory and guestimate a bit. Once you have a figure in mind, work it with someone who knows springs and the terrain you intent to travel.

Obviously if you are just going to the boat ramp from the driveway, it is a different ball game. My experience is all off road with my kit so it depends where you are going as to what your solution is. You might also need to rip it all out anyway, salt water means that suspension can always do with some love.

BenK

[MEGOMONSTER]

I did change the tyres already to light truck tyres which help with extra weight.
My camping kit probably weighs gets up to 300 kgs on the long trips and probably 200-250kgs on normal week long trips.
But I guess I should work it out properly.

[MEGOMONSTER]

The tyres are load rated at 650kgs each.
The boat weighs 200kgs and max boat load is 610kgs.
The trailer weighs 120kgs and max load is 749kgs.
The motor weighs say 90kgs plus lets say 80kg of bits and pieces in the boat including anchor, chain rope, kill tank sounder, etc, etc, etc.
edit: I think I'll take it to a weigh bridge for an accurate assessment.
So that's a total for boat, motor, accessories is 370kg.
ATM and GTM is 749kgs
Do I minus the 120kgs of the trailer off the 749kgs.
If so the 629kg less 370kgs is 259kgs to max load the trailer.
If I don't then that's 379kg to max load the trailer.
The boat max is 610kg less 170kg (motor and bits) is 440kg so the boat can hold plenty.
So either way I am at or close to the max load limit of the trailer.
So I think a upgrade is going to be best and new plate as Cuppa suggested reflecting higher load limit.
So realistically I need to get the trailer rated to the 440kg of the boat capacity, which is I guess to get the trailer to an ATM and GTM of 950-1000kgs.
Hope this all sounds right.

[threedogs]

Which ever way you go Mego we can do it here, You might just need an over ride spring added,
I want to remove over ride leaf from my trailer might be able to fit to yours.

[BigRAWesty]

Before you go buying 1000kg spring packs mega, think about this.

If you have a pack to suit a ton, when your only taking the boat there will be no give in the springs, and you may as well weld the shaft to the chassis...

I would keep your lighter rating, and attach some variable load shocks..
There an air shock which work like the bag style for coils.
Only a couple of hundred and a few hours welding and vola.. done.

When your empty you have a nice ride, when loaded it maintains its height and still rides nice.. and is completely adjustable to suit whatever the load..

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[Bloodyaussie]

Sorry MEGO it`s suppose to be G`DAY

You have obviously have not met Mego as he is 12ft tall and eats small children for brunch!!!

[threedogs]

And cleans his bottom with Grizzlie bears oh yeah one big Dude lol
Like the air bag idea, btw

[MEGOMONSTER]

You have obviously have not met Mego as he is 12ft tall and eats small children for brunch!!!

Obviously he has cos he apologised very quickly. Lol

[Bloodyaussie]

Obviously he has cos he apologised very quickly. Lol

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!

[pearcey]

Mr Mego.
Now don`t forget that if you go over 700Kgs you need brakes and if you go over 2000Kgs you need a brake away system.
This is just a thought as I don`t know how much grog you carry.

[Bloodyaussie]

Mr Mego.
Now don`t forget that if you go over 700Kgs you need brakes and if you go over 2000Kgs you need a brake away system.
This is just a thought as I don`t know how much grog you carry.

You talking about him or the trailer?

[pearcey]

You talking about him or the trailer?

There`s not only the grog but what about the fish on the way home.
Guess they could be used to bribe the nice policeman.

[MEGOMONSTER]

Mr Mego.
Now don`t forget that if you go over 700Kgs you need brakes and if you go over 2000Kgs you need a brake away system.
This is just a thought as I don`t know how much grog you carry.

Bloody hell more spanners in the works.

[BigRAWesty]

Kits can be bought cheap over eBay..

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[MEGOMONSTER]

Kits can be bought cheap over eBay..

Is this what I'm after, "The Equalizer"
http://www.saxsuspension.com/products.html

[macca]

Is this what I'm after, "The Equalizer"
http://www.saxsuspension.com/products.html

Ironman have a cheaper version of that one, called Load Plus. SAX priced one for my ute $395.00.
We have the Load Plus on our work Hiace's they do a good job. For a trailer the SAX might be a bit flash for the job. They are greaseable though.

[MEGOMONSTER]

Ironman have a cheaper version of that one, called Load Plus. SAX priced one for my ute $395.00.
We have the Load Plus on our work Hiace's they do a good job. For a trailer the SAX might be a bit flash for the job. They are greaseable though.

You think this would work for the trailer or will it make it to rigid.

[BigRAWesty]

Is this what I'm after, "The Equalizer"
http://www.saxsuspension.com/products.html

I was meaning the trailer brake setups..

But that is a relative new design of what your looking to achieve. Haven't heard much yet about them, to my knowledge only really became popular around 18 months ago.

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=271222846932
this is what I was discussing, not this one in particular, you'd want bush to bush for a trailer, not bush to pin like the cars.. concept is the same

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[MEGOMONSTER]

I was meaning the trailer brake setups..

But that is a relative new design of what your looking to achieve. Haven't heard much yet about them, to my knowledge only really became popular around 18 months ago.

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=271222846932
this is what I was discussing, not this one in particular, you'd want bush to bush for a trailer, not bush to pin like the cars.. concept is the same

Kallen Westbrook


Thanks, you think this would be all I required.

[macca]

You think this would work for the trailer or will it make it to rigid.
They are adjustable. The Ironman have a shackle with a long thread to add or remove tension, the SAX have 2?? positions for the pin.
It would mean taking the weight off the spring adjusting and away you go, the SAX would be the quickest I suppose.
I have always thought removing the rear shackle arrangement but leaving the load assist spring in place would take the spring back to stock. Never tried it though.

[MEGOMONSTER]

This is what I have on the boat trailer 30330

[BigRAWesty]

They are adjustable. The Ironman have a shackle with a long thread to add or remove tension, the SAX have 2?? positions for the pin.
It would mean taking the weight off the spring adjusting and away you go, the SAX would be the quickest I suppose.
I have always thought removing the rear shackle arrangement but leaving the load assist spring in place would take the spring back to stock. Never tried it though.

Sax setup is adjustable. The second shackle has 2 bolt positions. This setup allows full flex when unloaded but once the springs compress it then aids in taking the load. But is more suited to vehicles, but I guess you could adapt to a trailer..

You can either buy the complete pack, or they do the insert leaf. The insert would be a lot cheaper, but new bolts would be needed, and if your pack is a slipper setup you'll need to change that to shackle. (just seen the pic and your bolts look long enough)

Imo both options (load spring or shock) will require some mods, but will give you the better overall setup for your needs.

Could make a day of it when I head over if you want. I can throw in the caddy or we can crash TD's...

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[MEGOMONSTER]

Sax setup is adjustable. The second shackle has 2 bolt positions. This setup allows full flex when unloaded but once the springs compress it then aids in taking the load. But is more suited to vehicles, but I guess you could adapt to a trailer..

You can either buy the complete pack, or they do the insert leaf. The insert would be a lot cheaper, but new bolts would be needed, and if your pack is a slipper setup you'll need to change that to shackle. (just seen the pic and your bolts look long enough)

Imo both options (load spring or shock) will require some mods, but will give you the better overall setup for your needs.

Could make a day of it when I head over if you want. I can throw in the caddy or we can crash TD's...

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

Thanks Kallen, I might take you up on this.

[threedogs]

Why not do a spring over conversion using what you have , cost you nothing and gain minimum 50mm in height
Too easy thats what I'd be doing . will still tow and brake the same ,
My set up is Orac Off road with Greasable shackles.
Plus $395 you can buy a new 6x4 trailer for that.

[BigRAWesty]

What are those moustache leaves TD?

The overloading issue will still be there by moving the axle. So over time the springs will sag back and become flat... :rolleyes:

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[threedogs]

Overload or helper springs is the term I think. but not much travel only run 30 psi in trailer
but tows very well. Articulates well with O'brien off road coupling
.

[MEGOMONSTER]

I wonder how much this would be.
http://suspensionenhancements.com.au/axleless.html

[macca]

I wonder how much this would be.
http://suspensionenhancements.com.au/axleless.html

Different idea, thought they were air bags but has a lower stop one as well. Look like big rubber bushes.


What are those moustache leaves TD?

Those springs you have a photo of have me stonked, for the life of me I can not see how they keep the spring bent, they look like it wants to keep them straight. Drawing pickys on a scrap of paper has not helped me at all!!!!!

[MEGOMONSTER]

I wonder how much this would be.
http://suspensionenhancements.com.au/axleless.html

Decided to email them to get a quote out of curiosity, will be way too expensive for this exercise. Anyway lets see what their customer service is like.

[gaddy]

If your trailer is in good nick why not see what its worth to trade up to a braked one with a better load rating might not be to much if yours is still in good condition , all legal and ready to go.

steve

[MEGOMONSTER]

If your trailer is in good nick why not see what its worth to trade up to a braked one with a better load rating might not be to much if yours is still in good condition , all legal and ready to go.

steve

Good idea might look into it.

[gaddy]

If you go that way watch the quality on the cheep brands , I did a set up of a new swift co yesterday for a mates 5.5m Haines , the quality left a lot to be desired , poorly galvanized ugly welds , and cheap quality brakes , even the override brake cable was't galvanized ,

[MEGOMONSTER]

This is the response I got from Suspension Enhancenents.

Hi Mick,
Your problem is one of those problems that the Timbren Axle Less or Silent Ride Suspension will resolve.
Due to the Nature of the Aeon Springs and their progressive operation they will remain stable and provide a far softer ride than any other product even being towed as an empty trailer.
What you need is the 2000lb/909kg Axle Less Suspension or the 2000lb/909kg Silent Ride Suspension the difference is the Silent Ride has an Axle shaft. It could possibly be the one you already have on your trailer. I have attached an Axle Chart so that you can check that it has the capacity for the extra weight. As you will see you need at least a 40mm Square Axle or 45mm Round Axle to carry up to 1000kg.
As the Trailer frame sounds pretty light I suggest the Silent Ride may be better choice as the Axle Less puts a bit of Twist load on the Trailer Side chassis rails and may need some reinforcing, however it has prevision for you to fit a cross brace in to it to resolve that issue. Unless your trailer is really light the Silent Ride should just about bolt straight on. I have attached fitting instructions for both so that you can see and evaluate the difference.

The 2000lb/909kg Silent Ride is $560.00 and the 2000lb/909kg Axle Less with Ford type Stub Axles is $895.00, these are kits include left and right Suspensions plus stub axles in the case of the Axle Less. If your current Hubs are not Ford bearing compatible you would need 2 Ford Hubs for the Axle Less Suspension which would cost you $65.00 each, that’s with a stud pattern to suit your current wheels.

I don’ know whether you are aware of it but over 750g ATM you should have brakes, the best way is limit your ATM to 750kg if you can.

Also in regards to ratings the Timbren Suspension ratings are for the “Axle“ only being the combined weight on the 2 wheel patches, you add 10% to get the Trailers allowable ATM therefore a 2000lb/909kg Suspension gives a Trailer an ATM of 2200lb/1000kg.

Let me know if I can provide any more information. The email and mobile below are my direct contacts.

Regards,
Bill Emeny
Suspension Enhancement Systems Australia Pty Ltd
P: 1300 949 149
M: 0418 347 615
E: bill@suspensionenhancements.com.au
W: www.suspensionenhancements.com.au
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From: Mick
Sent: Sunday, 16 June 2013 10:01 PM
To: info@suspensionenhancements.com.au
Subject: Axle Less Enquiry

G’day, I am thinking of upgrading my boat trailer (leaf springs)to carry a little more weight when camping. On long camping trips I could have up to 350 kg of gear.

The tyres are load rated at 650kgs each.
The boat weighs 200kgs and max boat load is 610kgs.
The trailer weighs 120kgs and max load is 749kgs.
The motor weighs say 90kgs plus let’s say 100kg of bits and pieces in the boat including anchor, chain rope, kill tank sounder, etc, etc, etc.
edit: I think I'll take it to a weigh bridge for an accurate assessment.
So that's a total for boat, motor, accessories is 390kg.
ATM and GTM on the trailer is 749kgs
Do I minus the 120kgs of the trailer off the 749kgs.
If so the 629kg less 390kgs is 239kgs to max load the trailer.
If I don't then that's 359kg to max load the trailer.
The boat max is 610kg less 170kg (motor and bits) is 440kg so the boat can hold plenty.
So either way I am at or close to the max load limit of the trailer.
So I think a upgrade is going to be best and new plate as Cuppa suggested reflecting higher load limit.
So realistically I need to get the trailer rated to the extra 440kg of the boat capacity, which is I guess to get the trailer to an ATM and GTM of 850-1000kgs.
Hope this all sounds right.

My dilemma is that 99%of the time the boat isn’t loaded with weight and I’m worried the suspension will be too stiff for the light weight most of the time.
I have been toying with many ideas like air shockers, air bags, SAX 3SDS systems, ironman load equaliser. Really not sure and saw your add in 4WDACTION magazine.
Can I get a quote for the axleless suspension and or any other solution you may have to help with my decision.

[MEGOMONSTER]

Hey Mate,

That's an interesting one. I've just had a chat to our suspension manager and:

If they leafs on the trailer are 50mm wide? Most trailers are; then we'll have one that matches in width, which is a good start. After that the load plus spring is 310mm long, in order for it to fit you would need the space between the back of the diff/Axel and the shackle or mounting point at the rear of your leafs to be at least 310mm long, ideally longer.

Now we make no guarantees that this will work perfectly without having someone take a look a measure up the suspension, but if it meets the above criteria then I don't foresee you having an issue. Also they should be $125 for the set.

30386
This is the trailer, might need a better pis though.

[Ironman 4x4]

Hey Mate,

Unfortunately this is something that I won't be able to advise you of any further online, purely because it really does need to be physically looked at and measured. As stated above, if you measure up the leafs and find that they are within those specs that are advised, you should be all good. But you'll need to physically get under there and do the measuring up of the suspension.

[MudRunnerTD]

30386
This is the trailer, might need a better pis though.

Hey Mego,

That is a very light "Slipper" Spring setup mate. If your looking to use your boat trailer to carry a bit of camping gear and what not (I think i read that somewhere) then you really should be looking and replacing that set up with a eye to eye spring with a bush at one end and a shackle at the other. Get them load rated to 750kg at least, this might also see you need to replace your axle too and it this is the case then think about putting electric brakes on her while your there.

You really cant "Half do it" and i dont think your the kind of bloke that wants to half do it either.

[MEGOMONSTER]

Hey Mego,

That is a very light "Slipper" Spring setup mate. If your looking to use your boat trailer to carry a bit of camping gear and what not (I think i read that somewhere) then you really should be looking and replacing that set up with a eye to eye spring with a bush at one end and a shackle at the other. Get them load rated to 750kg at least, this might also see you need to replace your axle too and it this is the case then think about putting electric brakes on her while your there.

You really cant "Half do it" and i dont think your the kind of bloke that wants to half do it either.

The trailer is already rated to 749kg and I only want it to hold extra 100kg.
I am basically loading to under the max rating anyway but it does get the tyres close to the guards.

[MudRunnerTD]

The trailer is already rated to 749kg

Really!! Wow, then they are the light side of that mate. maybe it is rated at 749kgs as getting it rated at 750kgs would have needed something further.

Not a fan of Slipper Springs. If it is rated to 749 then your axle should be fine, junk those springs and weld in some hangers at the back and fit Eye to Eye springs and be done.

[BigRAWesty]

well that's very new and very cool.. But i think the same thing would come about with this setup as with normal springs.. If your loading to the upper rating your increasing wear and will have to replace rubbers sooner, and if you go the next step up then you'll still have a stiffer ride once empty.
I guess if you wanna do it right, load her up and find a weigh bridge. Find your real weight.
Im still sticking with some sorta load aid, like air shocks, or even leaf bags like the use on vehicles. This way your springs will still work as intended with light loads, but wont take 100% of the heavy load.
Id go the shocks over the bags though so your adding some stability to the trailer. Your adding a lot of top weight and the little 650kg springs aint designed to dampen that sorta overhead load..
In the end it is your call and your $$$, im just think out aloud

[threedogs]

X 2 wuth MR go see Scotty at that trailer place I mentioned earlier, they sell the lot plus you might be able to fit patrol rims on your Trailer .
If you want to meet there ,what ever yell out. Or we make a wiz bang boat trailer that'll be the envy of every one,

[threedogs]

IMO sell this trailer and buy an up graded one already braked, think it would be cheaper in the long run.
. KIS. Going through whole rego thing with pits etc will drive you nuts.

[Bloodyaussie]

I really struggle Mick to see those springs coping with 750kg???

My gardening trailer is rated to that and has far bigger springs with bigger axle and 6 stud 4x4 rims and tyres and even with a tonne in the back the tyres only then get close to the guards.

I have only had that weight in there a couple of times thanks to dopey loader driver at the yard way over filling me and the drive back to the job was scary.

[BigRAWesty]

Brakes ain't needed if below 750. So best weigh it all first and then fork out $$$

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[MudRunnerTD]

Brakes ain't needed if below 750. So best weigh it all first and then fork out $$$

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)


And thats why it is rated to 749kgs ;)

yep consider trading it in versus stripping the springs and axle off and welding on a new set. the new set will likely set you back $500 maybe?

[threedogs]

Yeah MR they're not cheap plus getting them welded on etc. Its that 750kg thats critical. When I was rego'ing my trailer even though its got brakes and a 1500kg axle etc
its only regoed as a 750 kg job, even though its very close to that empty, about 550-600 kg .
Go buy another trailer, thats my take on it, trade yours in.

[MEGOMONSTER]

I really struggle Mick to see those springs coping with 750kg???
.

30412
It can only handle 749kg

[BigRAWesty]

Load her up and weigh it.. you might be under.. if your are, $300 in those air shocks I linked, a day install (happy to do) and your set.

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[MudRunnerTD]

Mego i have moved all your suspension chat over to this thread from the Ironman thread. Hope that helps.

[MEGOMONSTER]

The less I can spend the better, probably really need to spend some time with a suspension mob and/or trailer mob.

[MudRunnerTD]

http://www.trailerwarehouse.com.au - Springs (http://www.trailerwarehouse.com.au/contents/en-us/d264.html)

http://www.trailerwarehouse.com.au - Spring fitting kit (http://www.trailerwarehouse.com.au/contents/en-us/d260.html)

[MEGOMONSTER]

http://www.trailerwarehouse.com.au - Springs (http://www.trailerwarehouse.com.au/contents/en-us/d264.html)

http://www.trailerwarehouse.com.au - Spring fitting kit (http://www.trailerwarehouse.com.au/contents/en-us/d260.html)

I suppose this cheap options. But they're a bit far away. Freight would bump the price up.

[MudRunnerTD]

I suppose this cheap options. But they're a bit far away. Freight would bump the price up.

i did not even look where they were Mick, just googled "trailer Parts" you will find someone closer for sure or call them for a price.

give Sparks Trailers a call in Geelong, they'd sell everything you need

[MEGOMONSTER]

I have decided to go with the Ironman LoadPlus for the boat trailer.
After speaking to Ironman head office and one of their distributors, we come to a conclusion that this will work on a boat trailer.
So much so, that the distributor didn't know that the LoadPlus will work on boat trailers, so he tried it on his jetski trailer which he loads up when camping.
32072
He keeps it on all the time, just loosens the nuts when no load and tightens up when trailer load up. Taddaaaaarrrrrr!!!!

[threedogs]

Huntsman trailers on Ebay sell the lot. Not far away either.
Was just at a trailer mob this morning $800 for their off road hitch,
It's the bees knees and pricing should fall

[MEGOMONSTER]

Went to fit up the LoadPlus but are slightly longer and doesn't fit under the chassis of the trailer.
Oh well back to the drawing board.

[BigRAWesty]

Went to fit up the LoadPlus but are slightly longer and doesn't fit under the chassis of the trailer.
Oh well back to the drawing board.

Spewing. Well I'd still go the air shocks..

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[dads tractor]

Mego when I had a HD standard sized trailer and wanted to drag it up creeks and over sandhills around Alice Springs I turfed the short trailer springs and put a set of triton rear leaves in .They are a two main leaf with eyes both ends and from memory a 5 pack spring and all I did was take the bottom 2 leaves off which gave me a soft riding trailer that didn't bounce around and no shockies as the leaves will give you a damping effect as they compress. Cost 6 stubbies and 4 new eye brackets as they were a bit wider but still a standard trailer spring pack size .Never had a drama and that trailer went every where.

[MEGOMONSTER]

Purchased a set of ARK leaf spring pack, rated to 1000kgs, hopefully won't be to stiff fir the boat.
Looking at the old springs closely today, found them to have sagged probably 2". Really sitting low. Never noticed it sitting so low.
I fit em up and see how it sits.
I went for this cos of ease of fitment and no modifications.

[threedogs]

@ Mego are your springs slipper style or Eye to eye style. If you need more height I have a quick fix

@ Kallen why don't I just make extended shackle plates to achieve a bit more lift.

[MEGOMONSTER]

They slipper type.
Lift is NOT what I require, otherwise the trailer needs to be further in the water for me to launch.
It is only a short trailer.

[happygu]

Purchased a set of ARK leaf spring pack, rated to 1000kgs, hopefully won't be to stiff fir the boat.
Looking at the old springs closely today, found them to have sagged probably 2". Really sitting low. Never noticed it sitting so low.
I fit em up and see how it sits.
I went for this cos of ease of fitment and no modifications.

1,000 Kgs sounds a lot for a boat, but we haven't seen you load it up for a trip......

Mic

[MEGOMONSTER]

1,000 Kgs sounds a lot for a boat, but we haven't seen you load it up for a trip......

Mic

It is only 250kg more than they are now.
And seeing the trailer is only 2-3 yrs old and the springs are shot and sagging, it's definitely had its fair share of loaded work.

[happygu]

It is only 250kg more than they are now.
And seeing the trailer is only 2-3 yrs old and the springs are shot and sagging, it's definitely had its fair share of loaded work.

Should be good then .... just sounds like they would shake the boat to bits

[threedogs]

not sure of the term but why not get them re scragged at Brooklyn spring works.
that's who I'd be talking to

[BigRAWesty]

It is only 250kg more than they are now.
And seeing the trailer is only 2-3 yrs old and the springs are shot and sagging, it's definitely had its fair share of loaded work.

Maybe only 250kg.. But that's another boat..

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[MEGOMONSTER]

I fitted them up and the boat sits back in its normal position.
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I also can see that I did have the tyres rubbing on the guards which I thought weren't. Yet.
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I hope it's not too stiff.
Didn't seem that way but I'm only looking from the top.
Lower the tyre pressures for a bit more forgiveness.
We'll see, easily changed to a lighter spring.
But I'll wait till Melbourne cup long weekend on the Murray in Yarrawonga, when it will be fully loaded once again.

[Limmy]

If it has anything to do with trailers.
I would contact STEFAN from Melbourne Trailer & Caravan Supplies in Chelsea Heights (03)8773 8773 . He is PRO !

I went in there needing a few parts for my camper trailer . I dropped my axle off . And basically he made from scratch a whole new set up with brakes . He also asked me what i'm carrying what weights , what car . he got custom made me leaf springs so the centre weight sat even.

I came out of there with a whole new axle , brakes , lines , manual brake coupling, custom leaf springs and even 3 new sunraysia 13 inch rims . all put together. all I had to do was just go home and attach together.

I had a excellent experience with them. I went in there not knowing anything bout trailers, when I came out I had more confident knowlege

Cost me under $700.

[BigRAWesty]

If it has anything to do with trailers.
I would contact STEFAN from Melbourne Trailer & Caravan Supplies in Chelsea Heights (03)8773 8773 . He is PRO !

I went in there needing a few parts for my camper trailer . I dropped my axle off . And basically he made from scratch a whole new set up with brakes . He also asked me what i'm carrying what weights , what car . he got custom made me leaf springs so the centre weight sat even.

I came out of there with a whole new axle , brakes , lines , manual brake coupling, custom leaf springs and even 3 new sunraysia 13 inch rims . all put together. all I had to do was just go home and attach together.

I had a excellent experience with them. I went in there not knowing anything bout trailers, when I came out I had more confident knowlege

Cost me under $700.

That's the sorta service I like to see. Going the extra step..

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)