New wheels etc

[Cuppa]

Thought I'd put up some pics of my Patrol with new wheels, rubber & with factory flares fitted, now that I've got the blue crap off the lettering with the Gerni. (Thanks TD).

Tyres are Bridgestone D697 All Terrains 265/75 16 & rims are 16 x 8 ROH Black Trak2 16 x 8's.

First a 'before' pic (with 5.5" split rims & Bridgestone 661's 235/85)
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/35.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuppa500/8983704481/)

And now
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/36.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuppa500/8985082632/)

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/37.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuppa500/8983649915/)

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/38.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuppa500/8984829104/)

I mentioned yesterday there was a problem fitting the new wheels/tyres onto the dual rear carriers.
These are the 'old' tyres - note the gap between the upright post & the tyre.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/39.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuppa500/8983646355/)

The problem with the new tyres was that their front lower edge fouled the back of the canopy making it impossible to get them fully upright, however I thought there was probably a 10% chance that a little fettling with the angle grinder might give me the clearance I needed. At this point I was still unsure if the tyre would still be too wide. The next pic shows the old split rim centre. Note that the centre hole is not round, but rather has 'raised' sections next to each stud hole protruding into the centre.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/40.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuppa500/8983643437/)

Those raised sections were enough to allow the wheel to sit square over the guide at the top of the hole (see above) onto the holder once the nuts were done up.
The hole centre of the ROH wheels is round, without those raised sections/cut outs. I thought if I 'radiused' the guide, it might allow the wheel to bolt flat against the holder, which might, if I was lucky, give just enough clearance to allow me to get the wheel vertical.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/41.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuppa500/8983637357/)

Sometimes you just gotta get lucky! :)
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/42.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuppa500/8985031502/)

Not a lot of room to spare though!
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/43.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuppa500/8983850337/)

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/44.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuppa500/8983653929/)


Cuppa

[Bloodyaussie]

Now that looks the biz mate......... bit to fancy for you!!! he he!!

The sticker looks good to..

How is the weight on the wheels??

[threedogs]

Looking good buddy, any reason on that tyre size and not 285s.
Must drive, handle better now.

[nissannewby]

$&@! Yeah cuppa that looks the goods mate. Certainly has transformed here from the old mans ute to ultimate tourer.

[MudRunnerTD]

That now looks Awesome Cuppa! Nice one

[Cuppa]

any reason on that tyre size and not 285s.
.
It's a tourer. Choice of 265's was a compromise between being able to run lower tyre pressures & fuel consumption...... and of course 285's wouldn't have fitted my spare wheel carriers as they would have been taller, I wanted to stay with the the same diameter, which I managed within 2mm.

Cuppa

[threedogs]

Thanks was thinking fuel consumption ,
yeah you have to be a very happy camper now, totally different 4x4 IMO

[happygu]

I love it Cuppa ..... the new tyres didn't look too bad on the back either

Mic

[happygu]

Thought I'd put up some pics of my Patrol with new wheels, rubber & with factory flares fitted, now that I've got the blue crap off the lettering with the Gerni. (Thanks TD).

Tyres are Bridgestone D697 All Terrains 265/75 16 & rims are 16 x 8 ROH Black Trak2 16 x 8's.

First a 'before' pic (with 5.5" split rims & Bridgestone 661's 235/85)
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/35.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuppa500/8983704481/)

And now
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/36.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuppa500/8985082632/)

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/37.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuppa500/8983649915/)

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/38.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuppa500/8984829104/)

I mentioned yesterday there was a problem fitting the new wheels/tyres onto the dual rear carriers.
These are the 'old' tyres - note the gap between the upright post & the tyre.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/39.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuppa500/8983646355/)

The problem with the new tyres was that their front lower edge fouled the back of the canopy making it impossible to get them fully upright, however I thought there was probably a 10% chance that a little fettling with the angle grinder might give me the clearance I needed. At this point I was still unsure if the tyre would still be too wide. The next pic shows the old split rim centre. Note that the centre hole is not round, but rather has 'raised' sections next to each stud hole protruding into the centre.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/40.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuppa500/8983643437/)

Those raised sections were enough to allow the wheel to sit square over the guide at the top of the hole (see above) onto the holder once the nuts were done up.
The hole centre of the ROH wheels is round, without those raised sections/cut outs. I thought if I 'radiused' the guide, it might allow the wheel to bolt flat against the holder, which might, if I was lucky, give just enough clearance to allow me to get the wheel vertical.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/41.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuppa500/8983637357/)

Sometimes you just gotta get lucky! :)
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/42.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuppa500/8985031502/)

Not a lot of room to spare though!
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/43.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuppa500/8983850337/)

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/44.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuppa500/8983653929/)


Cuppa


Just make up a spacer between the holder and the tray

Mic

[Cuppa]

How is the weight on the wheels??

Haven't put a full load in it yet, but the tyre joint put in 40psi all round & said to go up to 50psi in the rear (leaving the fronts at 40 psi) when fully loaded. If this is proves correct it fits with the upgraded GVM tyre placard wich specifies 265/75LT @ 50psi. I have to say that I am well pleased. 68psi in the rear with the previous tyres worried me a bit.

Cuppa

[threedogs]

worried you, worried the life out of me, never heard of it.
Now you'll have to do some fuel runs to test your range.
Do you have bigger tanks at all or just OE ATM
Plus your a bit lighter again

[Cuppa]

worried you, worried the life out of me, never heard of it.
Now you'll have to do some fuel runs to test your range.
Do you have bigger tanks at all or just OE ATM
Plus your a bit lighter again

170 litres I think. With the weight & wind resistance this has given me around 950 to 1000kms range with the old tyres.

[nissannewby]

With a few minor tweaks cuppa you could push that out to 1100-1200

[Cuppa]

With a few minor tweaks cuppa you could push that out to 1100-1200

I'm all ears provided it's affordable, reliable & doesn't mean that I have to drive with my eyes on gauges all the time.

[nissannewby]

It's possible. 3" exhaust and wind the boost up. Would need a temporary gauge to set it but no gauges would be necessary.

You don't generally watch them all the time. I tend to watch mine more so when towing up hill most other times its a quick glance every now and then. You generally learn how to drive to suit the gauges once you have watched them for a little.

[threedogs]

Whats a 4.2TD get normally , thinking 15/100k does that sound right hwy driving or am I way off?
1000 k range will cover any road in aust
And as Matt suggests a few more ponies too, anything to help these motors breathe has to be good,
, no harm can come of it just makes the motor more efficient

[Cuppa]

3" exhaust is a possibility when the current one needs replacing but increasing the boost concerns me a bit in terms of reliability & longevity. This may well be a result of my ignorance about such things, but it is reassuring that in stock form I can take the car to any Nissan workshop & be reasonably confident that they know what they are doing. Start changing the basic parameters & this may no longer be the case. Not saying you're wrong, rather I'm inviting you to convince me as better fuel consumption/greater range is attractive. :)

Cuppa

[threedogs]

Would think any mechanic worth his salt would be able to service your Patrol with these minimum mods.
Thinking EGR block as well. but later for that.
Straight from Mr Nissan most engines are asmatic giving the ability to breathe can only help.
with no fear on any long or short term harm,
Unleash the beast within I say, listen to others who have same set up or similar motor.
Cause I know you'll want the best reliability you can get, goes without saying

[nissannewby]

I can get 17/100 towing 2.5t +. Normal driving will see me doing high 12's or low 13's. This is running 285's as well. Also wound the fuel pump up pushing 25psi and bigger turbo.

Cuppa you only need to up the boost a small amount and its not going to effect reliability or longevity. The service you get from a Nissan dealer (or lack there of) will never notice a small tweak.

[MudRunnerTD]

Hey cuppa I would think even with the mildest of tunes you will drive onto a Dyno and run at about 65rwkws and be able to get a comfortable 80rwkws with a conservative setting below 12psi. That is nearly a 25% increase drive in drive out without doing much else and Never giving it another thought ever.

Push it and you'd get 90rwkw but I know your not really interested in pushing it that hard. But as 3d says they are as asmatic straight out of the dealership and crying to be tuned

[threedogs]

Looking at that info I'd be looking into it for down the track.
We're not talking Comp truck, just reliable tourer

[Cuppa]

Ok, so with it possible to improve performance/fuel consumption with very conservative 'tweaks' & no adverse side effects why didn't Nissan do it as standard? I understand that manufacturers often produce vehicles with, for example, less than optimal airflow as a result of mass production techniques, but if a larger diameter exhaust were standard (minimal extra cost) & the boost set a bit higher (no extra cost) why wouldn't they do it?

Cuppa

[threedogs]

Because they're made to a price with emissions in mind

[Cuppa]

So a larger exhaust & increased boost = increased emissions?

[MudRunnerTD]

So a larger exhaust & increased boost = increased emissions?

Not as much as a Kenworth;)

Much more than a Common Rail ZD30

Too much to remain in production unfortunately

But we Love the TD42T

[nissannewby]

So a larger exhaust & increased boost = increased emissions?

No increasing fuel with the boost will increase emissions.

[Clunk]

What a transformation new rims, rubber and wheel arches make........ looks fantastic Cuppa

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[Bloodyaussie]

What a transformation new rims, rubber and wheel arches make........ looks fantastic Cuppa

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And the stickers.... the stickers.... I gave him the stickers.... Lucas gave them to me....I gave the stickers to Ian...... the stickers!!!!!!

Did not notice the wheel arch's..... makes all the difference.

[Clunk]

And the stickers.... the stickers.... I gave him the stickers.... Lucas gave them to me....I gave the stickers to Ian...... the stickers!!!!!!

Did not notice the wheel arch's..... makes all the difference.

How could I possibly forget the stickers, I did see the stickers in another thread so thought I would need to make a mention of them here............. after all, the thread is all about the new wheels :D

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[Bloodyaussie]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mudnut]

Your rig is looking good, Cuppa. I just have just shown the pictures to my Missus, and asked if we could get one the like it. She said yes, but after the kids have moved out.

[happygu]

3" exhaust is a possibility when the current one needs replacing but increasing the boost concerns me a bit in terms of reliability & longevity. This may well be a result of my ignorance about such things, but it is reassuring that in stock form I can take the car to any Nissan workshop & be reasonably confident that they know what they are doing. Start changing the basic parameters & this may no longer be the case. Not saying you're wrong, rather I'm inviting you to convince me as better fuel consumption/greater range is attractive. :)

Cuppa

Don't worry about giving it tickle up, it will handle it well.

Think of it this way Cuppa, my 89 GQ had a 3 inch exhaust, Safari Turbo Kit and android mod.....that was a long time ago. A long time to know if there are any problems.

I went all over Australia with that truck, and used to push it along up over 160 kph when i lived in the NT . ( Not for extended periods though, only for five or ten minutes at a time. There is no point going that fast in a Patrol )

[93patrol]

:thumbup:well i have to say cuppa if your not happy with the rig now you can pack up and move back to england(from memory in another thread) because that looks the business now and am freaking jealous:thumbup:

[Cuppa]

Well an exhaust & a small tickle are looking more & more like a possibility & I certainly have no intention of moving back to England. Thanks everyone, this forum has provided me with much of the knowledge & motivation I've needed to get this far. And yes I am pleased with what I've done.

It really doesn't seem that long ago that I was asking whether I should buy this Patrol after I'd realised that buying the Troopy had been a mistake, but a lot of water has passed under the bridge since then.
I have even become comfortable with the fact that I'm not a 'hardcore' 4wd'er, but a 'tourer' & whilst having 4wd is important I don't feel any need to seek out 'gnarly stuff' for fun but am comfortable that we have a strong vehicle to get off the beaten track without falling to bits & which has the capability to get us through gnarly stuff if necessary.

Cuppa

Ps. What is an android mod?

[nissannewby]

It's an aneroid or otherwise known as a boost compensator. You injector pump has one from factory cuppa

Ps ill respond to your pm in the morning.

[threedogs]

Might have to do an economy run up to the Murray again, just waiting on how
Bob and Mego went. My BFF has finished his Reno, so later this month, having said that
this would of been a great weekend to get away weather wise, but I dont like sharing with Part time drivers.
So you up to defending your" Cod Cup" Cuppa ?

[Cuppa]

Might have to do an economy run up to the Murray again, just waiting on how
Bob and Mego went. My BFF has finished his Reno, so later this month, having said that
this would of been a great weekend to get away weather wise, but I dont like sharing with Part time drivers.
So you up to defending your" Cod Cup" Cuppa ?

Umm, probably not TD. I have some house decorating/renovation duties to attend to. What does BFF stand for .... Best Friend's Father/Boyfriend's Fancyman/Bloody Fishing Fanatic? .......or ???

Cupa

[MudRunnerTD]

Umm, probably not TD. I have some house decorating/renovation duties to attend to. What does BFF stand for .... Best Friend's Father/Boyfriend's Fancyman/Bloody Fishing Fanatic? .......or ???

Cupa


LOL

You were close Cuppa,

BFF = Best Friend Forever. its a teeny term taken from Facebook. but he likes it lmfao.

[Bloodyaussie]

Yeah I want to punch John in the back of the head everytime he uses it??????

Keep em coming John!!

[taslucas]

Yeah I want to punch John in the back of the head everytime he uses it??????

Keep em coming John!!

OMG I like totes want to do that too BA. I'm like WTF is a guy of his age doing using that term. It's OTT really and sometimes a PITA to work out what he's saying and makes FOFLMAO! LOL.

Hahaha, sorry for the hijack cuppa, your rig is looking good:-)

Sig test. android, MC version 2.4.7.11

[zucan]

Nice set up you have got so any news on the tires

[Cuppa]

Nice set up you have got so any news on the tires

Have only done very limited mileage on them, so can't comment on wear, but I remain pleased with my choice.
On the bitumen they are quiet.
On the one foray off road I've taken them on, they handled & gripped in slippery wet conditions (muddy & wet grass) up & down reasonably steep hills better than I expected them too, without reducing air pressure.
They have been across the wet paddocks at home a few times, the old narrower tyres would have done so too, but would have left deep furrows where these left relatively minor tracks.
The camper stays semi loaded all the time, & Ive found 40 psi front, & 44 psi rear to be adequate, which gives a more comfortable ride than the previous 68psi needed in the rear.
The tread does hold bits of gravel from time to time, & then flings it off once speed is increased, but I'd say most AT's would do that.
It'll take a lot more miles to determine how they'll last, but that aside I think I made a good choice for a combination of home & touring use. Although not looking as aggressive as some of the 'knobbier' AT's the tread pattern is actually quite open.
The mud flaps, although a bit bigger than those they replaced, are a bit disappointing as stone chipping & mud fling onto the door sills remains an issue. Making them any lower will render them vulnerable off road, so I'll probably end up re-painting the sills with some of that stone guard paint.

Cuppa

[threedogs]

@ Cuppa Have you looked at that brush material trucks use to disfuse water, but your problem is at the front.
Maybe drill off old flap and replace with a wider piece, need a pic

[PMC]

$&@! Yeah cuppa that looks the goods mate. Certainly has transformed here from the old mans ute to ultimate tourer.

G'day cuppa,

I have to agree with nissannewby, the cheeky bastard (from the old mans ute). lol

PS, she certainly looks the goods!

Regards,

RLI

[Cuppa]

Thanks Paul, he was right though. :)
Doesn't get a lot of use yet though, 'saving' it for the dream.
Has some uses though apart from the occasional 'supply run' into town.
Currently the dyneema winch rope & a snatch block are getting their first use.......... hanging up a sheep next door which the neighbours asked me to shoot & bleed out, so they can cut it up.


Cuppa

[Kurt Bergmann]

Looks Great!

[Drew]

Nice boots there cuppa

[Plumy]

Haven't put a full load in it yet, but the tyre joint put in 40psi all round & said to go up to 50psi in the rear (leaving the fronts at 40 psi) when fully loaded. If this is proves correct it fits with the upgraded GVM tyre placard wich specifies 265/75LT @ 50psi. I have to say that I am well pleased. 68psi in the rear with the previous tyres worried me a bit.

Cuppa


Hi cuppa,

i been pointed toward your threads by a few of the chaps as i also have a flare less skinny wheeled dx, like you i don't want to go to mad on tyres as still want a good mileage return so I'm going to follow in your footsteps and go for the 265 75 16 setup, I've just ordered some flares like yours are these easy enough to install ? and also do you mind if i ask what offset did you decide to run ?

[Cuppa]

Hi cuppa,

i been pointed toward your threads by a few of the chaps as i also have a flare less skinny wheeled dx, like you i don't want to go to mad on tyres as still want a good mileage return so I'm going to follow in your footsteps and go for the 265 75 16 setup, I've just ordered some flares like yours are these easy enough to install ? and also do you mind if i ask what offset did you decide to run ?

G'day Plumy,
Rims are negative 13mm offset. Fitting the flares is very easy, they attach with double sided tape & several small clips. Clean the painted surface well, I washed it first, dried it, & then gave it another wipe with isopropyl alcohol (Jaycar have it). Make sure you are properly lined up 'cos once the tape is on it ain't coming off again! The 265’s are about as wide as you can go with these flares. I may still fit some bigger mud flaps as the sills & lower door cop a hiding from gravel, (but they did previously with the narrower split rims too). I think lower rather than wider mud flaps might help, but may also be more prone to getting hung up.

Cuppa

[Plumy]

G'day Plumy,
Rims are negative 13mm offset. Fitting the flares is very easy, they attach with double sided tape & several small clips. Clean the painted surface well, I washed it first, dried it, & then gave it another wipe with isopropyl alcohol (Jaycar have it). Make sure you are properly lined up 'cos once the tape is on it ain't coming off again! The 265’s are about as wide as you can go with these flares. I may still fit some bigger mud flaps as the sills & lower door cop a hiding from gravel, (but they did previously with the narrower split rims too). I think lower rather than wider mud flaps might help, but may also be more prone to getting hung up.

Cuppa

Thanks for the reply Cuppa,

Just waiting to hear from the guy on ebay about getting the flares sent out to me, so is there a reason for the neg 13 ? would i not be ok running a 0 offset with 265/75/16 ?

[macca]

Plumy,

The 265 tyre is 20mm wider than stock on a wide wheel kitted patrol from the factory.
In my case the stock tyre rubbed on the chassis rails as posted previously, so going to a slightly wider tyre was going to rub more, possibly doing damage.
The only ROH rim that suited had the -13 offset, that moved the rim out 23mm from stock giving plenty of clearance for it all to fit.
So using a 265 tyre on a 0 offset rim you may find the tyre will touch the chassis when flexing, as you have the rim you might as well use them and see what happens.
Also you will not be exceeding the maximum track allowed by most states from what I can figure out anyway. +25mm wider is the limit?

[mudduck]

Looking the goods buddy