What tyres??

[Alitis007]

Hey all, i'm looking at a few tyres and can't decide what to get. I had my eyes set on these
Hurcules Trail Digger
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But have also got the option of these
Dunlop grandtrek MT2
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Summit Mud hog ( i think can't remember now lol)
29656
Silverstone mt 117 sport
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What should i get?? What looks like a good tread pattern for the type of terrain we have here in vic??

[MEGOMONSTER]

Hey all, i'm looking at a few tyres and can't decide what to get. I had my eyes set on these
29654
But have also got the option of these
29655
29656
29657
What should i get?? What looks like a good tread pattern for the type of terrain we have here in vic??

How bout some details on the tyres.
I know the first is the Hercules
The third look like Summit

Myself I like the look of the second one but have no idea what brand they even are

[BigRAWesty]

Some very aggressive tread there.. imo either of the first 2. They have a nice open outer design but a more solid center. This'll give good tracking on the solid stuff while allowing mud to clear easily from the outer. Which imo is were you want the grip as most the time your trying to climb the rut walls..

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[Alitis007]

Yeh should have done that lol, i'll edit it now but you did pic 2 of them. The second pic are Dunlops but are the last 4 in australia according to my supplier untill the next lot get made

[growler2058]

If ya goin hard core like those above what about swampers trepadors etc. No good for a daily obviously but weekend warrior nstuff

[taslucas]

Yeah its not just the pattern of the tyre, its the production quality and rubber compound too. Lots of new brands coming out which may be good tyres but if you stick with the more traditional brands then at least you have anecdotal evidence of your fellow patrollers:)

Are you going to fit them for daily driving or have two sets (one for play, one for bitumen)? This'll make a big difference.
What kind of terrain tickles your fancy? Get up the high country in winter or hit the beaches in summer? massive difference
Im sure the vic boys will help you out with the seasonal differences of your area

[Alitis007]

If ya goin hard core like those above what about swampers trepadors etc. No good for a daily obviously but weekend warrior nstuff

I did get quoted for a set of Maxxis but i can't remember if they where the Bighorns or the treapadors, i was calling around at lunch time.

This will be a play set BTW

[Alitis007]

Yeah its not just the pattern of the tyre, its the production quality and rubber compound too. Lots of new brands coming out which may be good tyres but if you stick with the more traditional brands then at least you have anecdotal evidence of your fellow patrollers:)

Are you going to fit them for daily driving or have two sets (one for play, one for bitumen)? This'll make a big difference.
What kind of terrain tickles your fancy? Get up the high country in winter or hit the beaches in summer? massive difference
Im sure the vic boys will help you out with the seasonal differences of your area

I don't know what terrain i like yet i want to try it all while i'm setting up the rig as a sort of all rounder, but in the mean time have a bit more ground clearance for the diffs and alot more traction that the AT's off rd. like i said its a play set. I know from other wheels that the cheapies are hard compound n last forever but slide all over the place but so do my current Bridgestone Duelers and they're not cheap. What i'm thinking is if i was to get a tyre thats chews up the harder tracks i shouldn't have a drama with anything in between, yeh?

[MudRunnerTD]

I like the 1st and the 3rd set in that lot George. Also look at the Bighorns which look very similar to the 3rd ones I think.

I really like the look of the first ones.. They scream Potential!!!

[Winnie]

What size tyres are you looking at? 33s? If you do a spring lift first you should be able to fit 35s with a 2" lift?
Are you going to run two sets of tyres? Worth it IMO if it's your daily.

I cannot recommend the Silverstone tyres. As you know I have the 117 Extreme and they are honestly a pretty crap tyre...... handle and grip like a bag of sh## on road, are noisy as all hell (expected though with that tread pattern), wear down extremely fast (don't think I'll get 10,000kms out of this set) and I seem to get punctures all the time? Even running 18 psi they just don't bag out.
They are unbelievable in the sloppy stuff though! Great on rocks too but damage really easily.
Would I buy them again? No.

[Bloodyaussie]

Mudhog?????????????

[taslucas]

What size tyres are you looking at? 33s? If you do a spring lift first you should be able to fit 35s with a 2" lift?
Are you going to run two sets of tyres? Worth it IMO if it's your daily.

I cannot recommend the Silverstone tyres. As you know I have the 117 Extreme and they are honestly a pretty crap tyre...... handle and grip like a bag of sh## on road, are noisy as all hell (expected though with that tread pattern), wear down extremely fast (don't think I'll get 10,000kms out of this set) and I seem to get punctures all the time? Even running 18 psi they just don't bag out.
They are unbelievable in the sloppy stuff though! Great on rocks too but damage really easily.
Would I buy them again? No.

Yeah they aint got nothing on the simex jungle trekkers of which they seem to be copied from.

As winnie has said, id probably go for the spring lift first or save a little longer and go the lift and tyres at the same time. 33's are probably as big as you need to go for an entry level sort of thing.
Ideally keep your AT's for daily driving then you can get a softer, grippier more expensive tyre for the play weekends and you wont feel bad wearing them out prematurely on the black stuff.

[taslucas]

Mudhog?????????????

nah he's a carpark warrior

[taslucas]

those hercules look pretty darn good.
I havent ever heard anyone praising the Dunlops (doesnt mean it hasnt happened)
the summit mud hogs look very similar pattern to Cooper stt's and Mickey T's mtz
No idea about the silverstone sports but imo they dont look that good?

[nissannewby]

Have you looked at the better known brands?? I know it can make a huge difference between driving something and not, also how long they last and durability. I have run Mickey T claws, TTC claws and MTZ's, Simex centipedes and BF Goodrich KM2's.

The BFG's would be the best all round tyre. They grip exceptionally well on the black top, sand and mud (even at 38psi).
Both style of claws are noisy but work well in the softer terrains, the MTZ's are great on the harder rocky terrain.
And the simex. These things work pretty bloody well as a serious play tyre. Wet rock they arent great but I think this could be made much better with beadlocks. The reason I chose to give these things a go (apart from the cost) was I watched a winch challenge DVD and most cars in these events are similar in set ep and power. The 2 tyres that stood out, as in could drive the furtherest before winching, were the Sticky treps and the simex centipedes.

[Ben-e-boy]

Maxxis, Mickey's or simex. around the 35 inch

They would be my choices. If you keep them off the road they will last a long time.

[NissanGQ4.2]

This is all I can say George - the tyres are going on a GU and it won't matter how good the tyre is you will still get beaten by a GQ :harhar:

[Bloodyaussie]

This is all I can say George - the tyres are going on a GU and it won't matter how good the tyre is you will still get beaten by a GQ :harhar:

Bloody hell Todd you had to push that button!!!!!!!

[healy]

I had bighorns and found them to be very weak IMO the Hercules always catch my eye I reckon they would be good

[MudRunnerTD]

I cannot recommend the Silverstone tyres. As you know I have the 117 Extreme and they are honestly a pretty crap tyre...... handle and grip like a bag of sh## on road, are noisy as all hell (expected though with that tread pattern), wear down extremely fast (don't think I'll get 10,000kms out of this set) and I seem to get punctures all the time? Even running 18 psi they just don't bag out.
They are unbelievable in the sloppy stuff though! Great on rocks too but damage really easily.
Would I buy them again? No.

And the lesson here is that the Silverstones hit the market running as a well priced Copy of the Simex ET2. Standing side by side and the Silverstones have smaller blocks and bigger gaps. I thought at the time that my Simexs would last for 3 sets of the Silverstones and they do that by a long shot so that makes the Silverstones Really Bloody Expensive!

I got some other really good advice early in the piece. I could not fathom at the time spending $2k on a set of play tyres!! WTF!!! Who does that! Well if you consider that you buy new, buy good and keep for 5 years then sell when they are 60 to 70% for 50% of the cost and upgrade to the new ones again.

You always use the best bit of the tyre and after the initial investment they are actually very economical.

Buy the best Play tyre that you can and buy 35s if your going to go that way.

[Alitis007]

Have you looked at the better known brands?? I know it can make a huge difference between driving something and not, also how long they last and durability. I have run Mickey T claws, TTC claws and MTZ's, Simex centipedes and BF Goodrich KM2's.

The BFG's would be the best all round tyre. They grip exceptionally well on the black top, sand and mud (even at 38psi).
Both style of claws are noisy but work well in the softer terrains, the MTZ's are great on the harder rocky terrain.
And the simex. These things work pretty bloody well as a serious play tyre. Wet rock they arent great but I think this could be made much better with beadlocks. The reason I chose to give these things a go (apart from the cost) was I watched a winch challenge DVD and most cars in these events are similar in set ep and power. The 2 tyres that stood out, as in could drive the furtherest before winching, were the Sticky treps and the simex centipedes.

I got quoted on some BFG's for around $400 a pop but was told that the Dunlops are just as good but don't know if its a sales pitch, but if i was out doing tracks oftenly i would have them sitting in my shop already but seeing as these wheels will only get used once a month and only put on when i do go out for a play it could be to my benefit to get something like these budget tyres.

[Alitis007]

And the lesson here is that the Silverstones hit the market running as a well priced Copy of the Simex ET2. Standing side by side and the Silverstones have smaller blocks and bigger gaps. I thought at the time that my Simexs would last for 3 sets of the Silverstones and they do that by a long shot so that makes the Silverstones Really Bloody Expensive!

I got some other really good advice early in the piece. I could not fathom at the time spending $2k on a set of play tyres!! WTF!!! Who does that! Well if you consider that you buy new, buy good and keep for 5 years then sell when they are 60 to 70% for 50% of the cost and upgrade to the new ones again.

You always use the best bit of the tyre and after the initial investment they are actually very economical.

Buy the best Play tyre that you can and buy 35s if your going to go that way.

Honestly mate i don't muck around with tyres, on my rx theres around $500 per corner, the rears only last 5 to 10,000km depending how often i take it out so for the trol any tyre i get would last till its nackered lol. 35's are out of the question ATM but i was going with 33's coz they fit in the wheel arch and my current height so i can still play in the work horse and play harder in the toy!!

[Alitis007]

I should mention i have been quoted between $260 to $$350 for the tyres i first posted about

[nissannewby]

I paid 400 a tyre for my BFG's and even with everything I have done on them they have only just got to half worn going by the tread depth and have put 55,000km on them so this is where the differences come in. I worked out ifi were to buy a cheaper tyre around the $350 mark then it would cost 20% more in the long run.

[Winnie]

I subscribed to an email list of 4WD deals and they had 33 KM2s for $250
Amrrican made ones too.

If you're happy and you know it tap a post!

[Alitis007]

I am really considering the Hurcules coz they're made in the US aswell but i'm willing to take the gamble on them to try them and give feedback to every to see how they stack up against the BFG's this weekend at Tallarook coz i think Jonathan has them so we can do a comparison??.

Matt the k's and how well you say the BFG's perform has definitely put them to the top if my list.

If i got the Hurcules and wasn't happy them i could sell them off and go straight for the KM2's.

[Alitis007]

I subscribed to an email list of 4WD deals and they had 33 KM2s for $250
Amrrican made ones too.

If you're happy and you know it tap a post!

Who was selling them ??

[nissannewby]

I subscribed to an email list of 4WD deals and they had 33 KM2s for $250
Amrrican made ones too.

If you're happy and you know it tap a post!

And you tell us this now. That's a good price and could prob still be landed in aus for cheaper than they are being sold over here. Would have been good to know about this 55k ago lol

[Winnie]

And you tell us this now. That's a good price and could prob still be landed in aus for cheaper than they are being sold over here. Would have been good to know about this 55k ago lol

That price is pick up from any capital city... I will post details when I get to a computer.

If you're happy and you know it tap a post!

[Alitis007]

That price is pick up from any capital city... I will post details when I get to a computer.

If you're happy and you know it tap a post!

Do it!! Lol i'll definitely get them at that price !!!

[threedogs]

If you need hand picking them up Yell out, tight fit putting 4 big tyres in a patrol,
2 in back ,one one back seat and other on front seat, unless you have a trailer

[Winnie]

PM me your email George I can forward it onto you

If you're happy and you know it tap a post!

[Alitis007]

If you need hand picking them up Yell out, tight fit putting 4 big tyres in a patrol,
2 in back ,one one back seat and other on front seat, unless you have a trailer

Its all good mate i've got a HZ 1 tonner with a 2 x 2.4m long tray so transporting them is no dramas but i should be able to fit them in the trol anyway if i push the back seats forward, thanks anyway mate!!

[nissannewby]

If I had the coin I would buy another set at that price.

[MudRunnerTD]

PM me your email George I can forward it onto you

If you're happy and you know it tap a post!

I might have some of that Winnie. Can you send me the link mate

Cheers

[Alitis007]

Done! The 285/75r16 are $275 each you buy them thru the NSW based company and then they get sent to a depo in Derimut and we make arrangements to pick them up. So fingers crossed i should have new rubber by thursday/friday.

Chris your a champion, i owe you a few beers mate!!

[Winnie]

Anybody who wants this info pm me your email. And I will forward it to you

If you're happy and you know it tap a post!

[Alitis007]

Just picked up the tyres
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Thanks again Chris your a GUN!!

[Winnie]

Can't believe how cheap that is... Guess what... They are now doing ROH wheels too............

Sent from my GT-I9305T using Motorculture mobile app

[Bloodyaussie]

Sexy!!!!!!

Can I buy 2 at a time?

[Alitis007]

Sexy!!!!!!

Can I buy 2 at a time?

Call that place in nsw up

[Alitis007]

Can't believe how cheap that is... Guess what... They are now doing ROH wheels too............

Sent from my GT-I9305T using Motorculture mobile app

I was talking to the foreman of the freight company while i was there and apparently there is a truck leaving melbourne tonight going back to that tyre shop full of tyres but i almost took a set of 315's that someone ordered lol!

[Alitis007]

Finished all the customers cars so now i have the pleasure of fitting and balancing my new work boot :)

[Alitis007]

Finished all the customers cars so now i have the pleasure of fitting and balancing my new work boot :)

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[MEGOMONSTER]

PM me your email George I can forward it onto you

If you're happy and you know it tap a post!

Thanks Winnie, I'll take an email of that.

[MudRunnerTD]

Thanks Winnie, I'll take an email of that.

Here you go Mego

Aussie-4WD-Bargain-List (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?20988-Aussie-4WD-Bargain-List)

[nissannewby]

Where are the piccies George.

[Bloodyaussie]

I think he is chasing the perfect balance......... George you will put them out of balance the first time you hit the tracks mate????

[Winnie]

C'mon Georgie boy we are WAITING! This is gonna be the first cool thing you've done to that GU now!

[Ben-e-boy]

Maybe he is testing them in a shopping center carpark lmao

[MEGOMONSTER]

Went tyre shopping today and was very surprised at the price difference between shops for the same item.
A mate of mine wants Mickey Thompson MTZ 285/70/17 and prices ranged from $425 to $500 fitted and balanced.

[happygu]

I think he is chasing the perfect balance......... George you will put them out of balance the first time you hit the tracks mate????

Tyres were square....that's why they were cheap.....

[Alitis007]

Sorry guys no pics yet, tomorrow i'll fit them but i had fun trying to balance them, got 3 within 3 grams on each side but got slack with the other 2 lol i think 10 to 15 grams out each side but atleast the steering wheel wont vibrate it self off while i'm driving to Tallarook on the weekend! Also had 1 tyre that was a prick to seat the bead coz of how it was transported ( the beads are pushed close together and doesn't inflate coz it wont seal ) but i eventually got it on with the help of a 14" solid rubber donut that you stretch over to take up the void!

[BigRAWesty]

Or the old hair spray trick..

Looks tough as.. top price to..

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[Alitis007]

Went tyre shopping today and was very surprised at the price difference between shops for the same item.
A mate of mine wants Mickey Thompson MTZ 285/70/17 and prices ranged from $425 to $500 fitted and balanced.

Just to put it into perspective of how cheap these are, when i called my suppliers for tyres the other day, for thses exact same tyres i was quoted $100 more at a trade price. Cant complain with that!!

[Alitis007]

Or the old hair spray trick..

Looks tough as.. top price to..

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

Don't know it mate??

[BigRAWesty]

If your having trouble seating large tyres a quick squirt around inside the tyre with cheap hair spray, a flick of a match and boom..... Pop... They seat..
you tube it.. plenty of demo vids..

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[93patrol]

when i had my tyres put on they also had dramas balancing them so in the the end they match balanced a couple of them which were out by about 300 grams by fitting the tyre to the rim chuck it on the balance machine mark the rim and tyre with chalk, then debead?? the tyre and turn the rim until it was close in the end only needed about 20 grams on 1 tyre and 50 odd on the other. they had the car for better part of a day though and i paid for in the end but at least the steering whell did't get ripped out of my hands driving at 50km/h

[Alitis007]

I'll take a pic of the correct tool lol

[Alitis007]

when i had my tyres put on they also had dramas balancing them so in the the end they match balanced a couple of them which were out by about 300 grams by fitting the tyre to the rim chuck it on the balance machine mark the rim and tyre with chalk, then debead?? the tyre and turn the rim until it was close in the end only needed about 20 grams on 1 tyre and 50 odd on the other. they had the car for better part of a day though and i paid for in the end but at least the steering whell did't get ripped out of my hands driving at 50km/h

I did that to a couple of wheels that where out 150grams but at 830pm the cbf's kick in lugging 40kg tyres around haha

[nissannewby]

You can use a ratchet strap to help with beads. Throw it around the circumference and tighten her up.

[Alitis007]

You can use a ratchet strap to help with beads. Throw it around the circumference and tighten her up.

I have used that in the past aswell mate but we use this
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[nissannewby]

That doesn't look right George. Maybe put that in the meme thread lol.

[Alitis007]

Sorry mate that was the left overs from my circumcision......

[threedogs]

Wheres the pics , plus where is thread with all the tyre prices please

[pjhicks3]

If you need info on the Hercules (or any other tyres for that matter), I can help here, make sure you get the U.S.A ones, there are some chinese ones which are not as good, the usa Terra trac's are much better, if you need some, message me, I work for a place that sells them, we are in Melbourne, south east suburbs.. I put some of the Hercules on my dad's car, and they are really good, quite cheap too..