Tigerz11 banned from Melbourne 4x4 show

[taslucas]

yeah i hate the repitition of things like: "your hard earned money" "quality gear for less so you and your family can enjoy this great country" etc etc the mags and websites are always full of that stuff and i feel its very condescending

[NP99]

Massive "important notice" gone up on 4wda site
http://www.4wdaction.com.au/

Some of his statements hold true!

[TimE]

Massive "important notice" gone up on 4wda site
http://www.4wdaction.com.au/

Onanism of biblical proportions.

I know a guy who used to write for one of the groups publications, advertorials was a polite way he was told to write to make the advertisers products look good and non advertisers got no mention.

Is it possible to be an Onanistic tart?

[taslucas]

Here is the important message from the 4wda site.
I will put my opinion in red. But i want to be clear that it is my opinion only and not necessarily that of this forum.

I am Charles Vella, the owner of Express Media Group which I founded 26 years ago. We publish 4WD Action. I also have a financial interest in Tigerz11 and Roo Systems.

I started 4WD Action over 200 issues ago with a view to cover the 4WD lifestyle and help 4WDers enjoy the Aussie bush for less money. Other prominent 4WD media was then, and still is, mainly concerned with expensive new vehicles and products. Is that true? i wasnt reading mags back then.
For 15 years 4WD Action has been showing the average Australian that you don’t need lots of money to enjoy the bush with your mates and family. This is largely the reason why 4WD Action is so popular today. i would suggest heavy marketing, including a mascot like roothy taken up at a time when 4wding is becoming more popular is the reason behind greater public interest

Almost 12 months ago I declared publically my intention to be financially involved in 4WD products. Our many years of testing 4WD products showed us that it’s not always the most expensive products that are the best. In nearly every case, the products that did the job and represented great value for money won our product comparisons. a lot of us have had a sneaking suspicion that the comparisons were never completely unbiased A year ago I decided to invest in 4WD products as I saw a real need for better priced aftermarket gear that more Australians could afford. i would say its more likely that being part of a magazine and watching the amount of money people were spending on products made you realise that there was an easy dollar to be made considering the amount of inside information on product and procedure

I have chosen to personally explain my take on the 4WD Industry as there are many untruths being circulated. I choose not to hide behind my own media and share with you what you are not being told. As far as I see it, 4WDers deserve to know where their hard-earned money is going. I dont know who is hiding? I have seen plenty of public emails circulating

The decision to get involved in the selling of products was met with a great deal of industry outrage but much support from our readers – in fact, our readership in the 12 months to March grew 18%. This tells us that our readers believe we have made the right decision. Again, i think heavy marketing and the use of the 4wda mascot has had more influence in readership increase. I dont think the average joe blow decided to buy the magazine more frequently because they believe a good business deal was made.

The financial cost of my decision was the cancellation or non-renewal of over $2 million dollars of advertising. We expected this to happen, as Tigerz and Roo competed directly with some of our advertisers, but someone had to give the public access to more affordable prices for quality 4WD and camping gear so that they could enjoy the outdoors.
At the 5 big shows Tigerz and Roo attended many fans applauded (really?, they clapped?) us for giving them access to affordable products. The response at these shows has simply been overwhelming, and I can understand this would have upset some competitors. people love to go see the mascot and get that slight sense of being part of something famous
The recent banning of Roo Systems and Tigerz11 from the Melbourne 4x4 Show will deprive our audience from visiting these companies’ stands. are we still calling it a banning?

The same show promoter still wishes to advertise in our magazines for that same show! Despite the treatment we received we will run their ads. I guess the magazine may be legally obligated to keep the adds going? i dont know that for sure but i reckon if they could, then they would remove the adds

We are providing to 4WDers what Aldi and Costco are providing in other markets – not everyone can afford top brands. that is true and no-one has questioned that
I have put everything on the line and borrowed against my assets to fund the stock that is being provided to dealers – all products are supplied on consignment, so that the public can buy their gear at the online price, but can save freight by picking up locally.

We know how hard it is for small business and have fully funded all our Australian dealers by giving them the products to sell with no outlay upfront for the business owner. They only pay us for goods after they have sold them. Because of this unique structure, that no other 4WD company has offered, our dealers are growing their businesses and creating new jobs for Australians. its a system which has been designed in the past for maximum exposure and product flooding
It saddens me to hear false accusations that we are taking away jobs from Australians, when in fact we are creating many of them. Maybe if other players in the industry offered the same opportunities for small business and lowered their own profit margin, maybe even more jobs could be added.

I know that most products you buy for your 4WD are made in Asia, including many of the vehicles themselves. Don’t be fooled by claims of supporting Australian industry – many of the products that Tigerz and Roo sell compete with imports made in the same countries as some competitors’ products. some, but are we still talking about "the big 3"?

While our products like most others are made overseas we have created many new jobs for Australians. Our dealer network is over 50 companies strong, and growing rapidly. ofcourse its in your best interest to to have a bigger dealer network.

I have risked what has taken 26 years to build to ensure the public can get decent products cheaply. This is very much a David and Goliath battle – I am doing this with my own money, and taking on a whole industry. is that a violin? i think instead of "david and goliath battle" and "taking on a whole industry" you have realised that you can make money in the industry that you have been a part of for a long time. The frequent and aggresive ad campaigns are more than any other "little guy" has ever done and the reason that the business is aimed that way is because its based on advertising not manufacturing, coming from a media background

People have accused me of being greedy, but this fight has cost me plenty.

The industry needs a shake-up.

Look at air-travel – we needed Virgin to get a better deal. and they are more likely to lose you bags

Look at the cost of accommodation – WOTIF.com and similar sites changed that landscape.

Look at the increasing popularity of Aldi and Costco. they didnt bring their marketing in through the back door of a prominent and widely distributed magazine

Tigerz11 and Roo Systems operate on modest margins, and the buyer enjoys the benefit.

Many aftermarket manufacturers will say that a lot of the reason for their higher prices is to justify the cost of R&D. Even using an estimate of the industry employing up to 100 engineers and even assuming they are paid $100,000 each that’s $10 million. We are talking about an industry that is turning over around $1 billion annually – that equates to around 1% of turnover being spent on R&D. We also invest a lot of money on R&D yet our prices are still much lower. firslty its not you against a whole industry, secondly HOW much do you invest in r&d? why is there next to no innovation and all the products seem to be cheap copies?

It is beyond belief that anyone from the public, the media, or the 4WD industry can question the morals of a much smaller company, such as ours, risking everything to offer customers better deals. when can you stop pulling the "small company" card? and to say your risking all seems a little bit like your trying to make people feel sorry for you?

Who is really standing up for the battlers? (battler? stop being so condescending) Much of the 4WD industry along with some media outlets, that stand to benefit from the increased advertising their support brings, is fighting against us.(they're not doing it because theyre dumb, they do it because they genuinly feel they dont like aspects of the last couple of years of your business dealings) I’m not telling you which products to buy and never will. I just want 4WDers to have more choice.(so you act in a way that effectively removes choice and comparison in a widely circulated 4wd magazine? and bombard every email address on the mailing list with masses of products from only two companies) As long as the customer wins, 4WDing will only benefit as a whole. Without more companies and the public challenging the big players of the industry, prices will never become affordable.
Competition of this kind, while upsetting to some established players is what the industry and 4WDers badly need. I have never been afraid to fight for what I believe is right, nor stand up for those who I believe are being unfairly treated.
If I have been able to contribute in making 4WDing more affordable in Australia I will consider our efforts to be worthwhile. safer though?

Charles Vella

[taslucas]

Onanism of biblical proportions.

I know a guy who used to write for one of the groups publications, advertorials was a polite way he was told to write to make the advertisers products look good and non advertisers got no mention.

Is it possible to be an Onanistic tart?

i just had to look up the meaning of Onanistic. lol i agree totally tim

[taslucas]

oh and did everyone see the mass of scrolling adds under the statement? usual mass advertising

[BigRAWesty]

Stick your reply Lucas as a post on there fb page..

My pic is still up on all 3 sites.. :what:

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[BigRAWesty]

Pat callinghan even liked my pic.. Mr 4x4 himself. Top bloke.. :D

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[Forced Offroad]

link to 4wdtv facebook Classic

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=537966462913591&set=a.396424323734473.85799.112221875488054&type=1&theater

[taslucas]

link to 4wdtv facebook Classic

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=537966462913591&set=a.396424323734473.85799.112221875488054&type=1&theater

haha thats great:)

[Forced Offroad]

Pat callinghan even liked my pic.. Mr 4x4 himself. Top bloke.. :D

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

just jumped back on the forum as i justed noticed it... Article from his mag
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd171/jbiggsy/17705_10151467974294311_1101633733_n_zpsd98458a5.j pg (http://s223.photobucket.com/user/jbiggsy/media/17705_10151467974294311_1101633733_n_zpsd98458a5.j pg.html)

[NP99]

Who knows, if Warn winches were not so dear, Tigerz may never have got feet!!!

[Forced Offroad]

Who knows, if Warn winches were not so dear, Tigerz may never have got feet!!!

Hey mate

Warn have Sell there entry level winches called Tabor. 1/2 the price and still a good winch, using cheaper material to make it cost affective.. A good winch for a cheap price should be around $1000 mark.. Tigerz11 claim there winches are between 800-1000 bucks but they sell them for half that... Its all Rubbish tigerz winches arent even worth 1/2 what they sell them for...
It really pays to research... Runva, Kingone winches are fantastic for the Price..

Jay

[taslucas]

i remember a thread from 18months ago or so where a guy bought an unbelievebly cheap no name winch direct from china. it was something like $260 delivered for a 12000 pounder. He kept track of when he used it and as far as i know he got a year or so out of it before the thread disappeared. Not sure how long it lasted in the end and cant remember who it was lol, time for a thread dig

[P4trol]

Is it just me, or has their fb page changed format in the last day? I can't find 'posts by other people'

[04OFF]

Hey mate

Warn have Sell there entry level winches called Tabor. 1/2 the price and still a good winch, using cheaper material to make it cost affective.. A good winch for a cheap price should be around $1000 mark.. Tigerz11 claim there winches are between 800-1000 bucks but they sell them for half that... Its all Rubbish tigerz winches arent even worth 1/2 what they sell them for...
It really pays to research... Runva, Kingone winches are fantastic for the Price..

Jay



Jay, these are actual serious questions, i don't doubt your experience and knowledge mate, i know you will know more about winches than myself, so thats why i have to ask, but please don't think im being smart, i am actually trying to ask nicely so i can learn what you mean, but sometimes on the web its hard to express tone etc.






Whats the difference in price between a Warn and a Tabor ?, and do you think the better material they use for the Warn brand costs them that same amount extra for them to make one ?


Am i reading it right, you are saying "any" no name brand winch for a $1000 is good ?

If.....that is correct, Tigerz winches are not good because they are cheaper than a $1000 ?, but if they charged over a $1000, they would move into the good cheap winch catagory then ?

[threedogs]

@ Lucas you losing it bud, or was that thread just a fig in your imagination, lol

Re branding is everywhere , My GLW worked at Berger paints for Yonks {long time}
K-mart paint was Berger paint in a different can.

Aldi winches from what I read here shape up OK, Tigerz not so good But I'd never buy Tigerz I'd save a bit longer and get the product I really wanted.
Just need to be patient.

@ 4OFF I'll fire off an Email to Ateco on monday , to see if they can put some light on this for you

[04OFF]

@ 4OFF I'll fire off an Email to Ateco on monday , to see if they can put some light on this for you

Thanks 3D, please excuse my ignorance, but who is Ateco ?, do they make Warn stuff or something ?

[Sir Roofy]

i remember a thread from 18months ago or so where a guy bought an unbelievebly cheap no name winch direct from china. it was something like $260 delivered for a 12000 pounder. He kept track of when he used it and as far as i know he got a year or so out of it before the thread disappeared. Not sure how long it lasted in the end and cant remember who it was lol, time for a thread dig

vaguely remember this one

[threedogs]

@ 4OFF ,They are Warn head office here in Oz.
Actually a friend of mine is a rep there

@ Roothy Vague like Lucas whats going on lol

[mudski]

OT but speaking of Warn winches when I was at the Wandin show and I went to the Warn stand. The woman stood up out of her chair and asked "Hi do you have a Warn winch?". I looked at her and replied " No! It's quite new actually." My mate nearly threw up from laughter.
Sorry just reminded me of the time...
Back on topic. Who give a rats if TigerZ or Poo systems are there or not? Every 4by show is poo nowadays anyway.
This should be the real topic. Tell all the stalls to actually have bargains!!! Not pretend too!!!

[Sir Roofy]

Have to agree with you mark its all froth and bubbles at them, throw out some bait and come in spinner its the same as the 4by shops specials lift the tag and its useually cheaper underit

[Forced Offroad]

Jay, these are actual serious questions, i don't doubt your experience and knowledge mate, i know you will know more about winches than myself, so thats why i have to ask, but please don't think im being smart, i am actually trying to ask nicely so i can learn what you mean, but sometimes on the web its hard to express tone etc.






Whats the difference in price between a Warn and a Tabor ?, and do you think the better material they use for the Warn brand costs them that same amount extra for them to make one ?


Am i reading it right, you are saying "any" no name brand winch for a $1000 is good ?

If.....that is correct, Tigerz winches are not good because they are cheaper than a $1000 ?, but if they charged over a $1000, they would move into the good cheap winch catagory then ?

Not quite sure how to take the Red text in the post,just working on my truck at the moment. I have answer for you but going to think about it more while and I will get back to you
Cheers Jay

[NP99]

I see the red text as standing out to be polite and not offend......my 2 cents :)

[04OFF]

Not quite sure how to take the Red text in the post,just working on my truck at the moment. I have answer for you but going to think about it more while and I will get back to you
Cheers Jay


I see the red text as standing out to be polite and not offend......my 2 cents :)

Yes exactly , the red text was to make it 100% clear you understood before reading, that i was asking questions to try and understand what you said, not trying to be aggressive or smart or anything !

Obviously i failed (lol) but yeh :o

[Bloodyaussie]

OT but speaking of Warn winches when I was at the Wandin show and I went to the Warn stand. The woman stood up out of her chair and asked "Hi do you have a Warn winch?". I looked at her and replied " No! It's quite new actually." My mate nearly threw up from laughter.
Sorry just reminded me of the time...
Back on topic. Who give a rats if TigerZ or Poo systems are there or not? Every 4by show is poo nowadays anyway.
This should be the real topic. Tell all the stalls to actually have bargains!!! Not pretend too!!!

Here here... dont crap on that there is no margin and all that , flog off some slow moving gear for a bloody good price just for the day!!!!

I got told in business its best to move a lot of stock for less than it is to sell for high and make much less sales!!!!????

[Forced Offroad]

Yes exactly , the red text was to make it 100% clear you understood before reading, that i was asking questions to try and understand what you said, not trying to be aggressive or smart or anything !

Obviously i failed (lol) but yeh :o


No Worries.
I thought I was in trouble :oops:

Still working on the Patrol, I have my answer and I will get back to you soon.
I hope I don't get people upset and not liking me, I like this Forum

[threedogs]

100% agree BA get customers into your shop, the more you move the better, as long as you're not giving it away.
I've found a hardware shop in Caulfield thats still stocked with stuff from 1960, great for me as I need these things for restoration projects.
no good for owner as stock hasn't moved for 40 plus years

[NP99]

Here here... dont crap on that there is no margin and all that , flog off some slow moving gear for a bloody good price just for the day!!!!

I got told in business its best to move a lot of stock for less than it is to sell for high and make much less sales!!!!????

And if the big players moved their stuff by lower pricing the Tigerz and ebayers would not survive. There is an element of greed that causes the problem we all now face!

[Clunk]

No Worries.
I thought I was in trouble :oops:

Still working on the Patrol, I have my answer and I will get back to you soon.
I hope I don't get people upset and not liking me, I like this Forum

Wouldn't worry about it mate, no one likes me and I still come back everyday!!!!! ;)

[NP99]

No Worries.
I thought I was in trouble :oops:

Still working on the Patrol, I have my answer and I will get back to you soon.
I hope I don't get people upset and not liking me, I like this Forum

You're a Queenslander mate, how could you not be liked? :)

[the ferret]

That's crap Clunk, we all like you and you know it!!
Cheers, the ferret.

[NP99]

100% agree BA get customers into your shop, the more you move the better, as long as you're not giving it away.
I've found a hardware shop in Caulfield thats still stocked with stuff from 1960, great for me as I need these things for restoration projects.
no good for owner as stock hasn't moved for 40 plus years

There's one in Nambour on the Sunshine Coast......even better, his price stickers are still original, might have been dear in the day, but cheap today! :)

[NP99]

Wouldn't worry about it mate, no one likes me and I still come back everyday!!!!! ;)

Clunk not true, these guys just the other night were saying......

http://www.samesame.com.au/

[taslucas]

You're a Queenslander mate, how could you be liked? :)

X2.....................lmao

[Yendor]

Wouldn't worry about it mate, no one likes me and I still come back everyday!!!!! ;)

Not sure if I like you or not ........there was this hippo on here once I thought was ok :D

[taslucas]

Not sure if I like you or not ........there was this hippo on here once I thought was ok :D

the way his sig and avatar look now, it would seem he doesnt like us

[Clunk]

Clunk not true, these guys just the other night were saying......

http://www.samesame.com.au/

What are you trying to say mate, you'll have to forgive me but I'm a liitle on the slow side, so you all need to spell it out for me !!!!!!!!! :sly::D

[Clunk]

the way his sig and avatar look now, it would seem he doesnt like us

Damn it Lucas, I told you not to say anything!!!!!!!!! ;)

[NP99]

When I grow up I want to be a Queenslander, just like all the other greats here

:) :)

Gotta love technology Lucas :)

[Yendor]

the way his sig and avatar look now, it would seem he doesnt like us


oh...... I thought he was just doing it wrong. :)

[04OFF]

No Worries.
I thought I was in trouble :oops:

Still working on the Patrol, I have my answer and I will get back to you soon.
I hope I don't get people upset and not liking me, I like this Forum

Nah , no chance of that mate, i dont get enough free time for making trouble on the net , and im way to lazy to hold a grudge anyway :thumbup:


Id offer to come help you with ya troll (as your only down the road from me) but ive had way to many beers to drive im afraid, hope its nothing serious for ya mate ?

[oncedisturbed]

I am good at people not liking me, just ask my wife and and my split personality, I tick them off all the time :)

[taslucas]

The Great Big Tigerz and Roo Banning thread! 30 pages later we are just dribbling cr@p as usual haha.
I havent looked at the 4wda forum since finding this one nearly two years ago but due to recent events i thought id have a look.....
The similar page on 4wda site and people are still in the thick of the argument. With threats of deleting posts and personal attacks all over the place. Basically anyone that says to much against emg, tigerz, roothy or roo gets shot down hard from the loyal 4wda supporters. Its damn funny to watch:)
One guy especially got me laughing when he angrily announced that he was sick of all the people bagging out poor roothy hahahaha

[NP99]

Roothy wants to stand down range........
Seen 4wda threats etc.....it's a good play ground if your threads aren't deleted!!!

[taslucas]

haha yeah theres a lot of hot heads there. yeah i agree that some of the more insulting threads should be deleted but im pretty sure too many get deleted for going against the three ring circus and its mascott haha

[Yendor]

It will be interesting to see if they cut the head off the public figure who has been promoted as the instigator.

[taslucas]

yeah i wonder who was behind filming that vid and posting it? surely they would have to have some sort of clearance before putting it on the web page? If they didnt then i reckon heads will roll

[P4trol]

Wot vid?


(and this should make up the 10 characters needed to post a post)

[Winnie]

The video of Roofy calling everyone Unaustralian

[taslucas]

The video of Roofy calling everyone Unaustralian

Roothy, that is not roofy. Our roofy is cool

[P4trol]

Can anyone post me a link? Can't scratch on up on the phone.

[taslucas]

Wot vid?


(and this should make up the 10 characters needed to post a post)

its dis vid:
http://video.4wdaction.com.au/video/11/roothy-protest-deals

[Winnie]

Roothy, that is not roofy. Our roofy is cool

Christ! How insulting of me!!

[taslucas]

Christ! How insulting of me!!

you on the vb?

[Winnie]

nope! it's Bundy time!

[taslucas]

you go girl!

[Clunk]

nope! it's Bundy time!

Well I suppose its a step in the right direction...... At least it's not Woodstock lol

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

[Clunk]

I am good at people not liking me, just ask my wife and and my split personality, I tick them off all the time :)

Should form a not liked thread, for all us not liked members :cool:

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

[taslucas]

Should form a not liked thread, for all us not liked members :cool:

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

i wouldnt like that

[Yendor]

Should form a not liked thread, for all us not liked members :cool:

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

I'll feel left out :)

[Clunk]

i wouldnt like that

Its not for you to like mate

[Clunk]

I'll feel left out :)

Nah you can join Rod, there must be someone else out there other than me who doesn't like ya ;):D

[Yendor]

Nah you can join Rod, there must be someone else out there other than me who doesn't like ya ;):D


Well there was this one person once.........lol

[Forced Offroad]

Jay, these are actual serious questions, i don't doubt your experience and knowledge mate, i know you will know more about winches than myself, so thats why i have to ask, but please don't think im being smart, i am actually trying to ask nicely so i can learn what you mean, but sometimes on the web its hard to express tone etc.






Whats the difference in price between a Warn and a Tabor ?, and do you think the better material they use for the Warn brand costs them that same amount extra for them to make one ?


Am i reading it right, you are saying "any" no name brand winch for a $1000 is good ?

If.....that is correct, Tigerz winches are not good because they are cheaper than a $1000 ?, but if they charged over a $1000, they would move into the good cheap winch catagory then ?

Tigerz11,Roo, Super Cheap and BCF all are selling the Identical winch ranging from 500-700 buck 9500lbs
The reason I am against these winches is I know there very ordinary for what they are and the price.... And the Consumer are just another number, and money in there back pocket. HIgh turn over chucked in a box and Sold on.

This is the reason all this has started, the 2 companies that the 4x4 industries are up against have been ripping the 4x4 consumer off by suppling cheap Chinese accessories as high quality with no customer service or warranty to support it. And I know, I purchased a awning for the Patrol for the sole reason it was cheap and if it got ripped off the truck i wouldn't be concerned. It wasn't until the awning rocked 4 months after purchase I couldn't believe what I took out of the box. It was a un-finished joke. i complained and they didn't care they got my money And that all they wanted. This is why my hatred to these to companies started, and they have the balls to accused the big companies of Ripping us off for a long time.... The Likes of ARB have been leading the 4wd aftermarket here and around the world for years.... They build there 3 biggest accessories here in Australia.
The 2 companies i have Mentioned Runva and Kingone are companies that build and Designed winches, these are the companies we need to supports. And I have just looked at there Prices and they have dropped big time.

For example a Fourm Member has designed and hand make his Tyre deflator here in Aus..(Ferret) so me being a greedy lazy slob takes his hard work copies it. Then get it made using poor quality brass and fitting in china and sell it cheaper as high quality designed and tested in Aus. (Roo Systems Bull Bar) How will Ferret feel about this Product he has Proudly made...... Who is being Un- Australian here.
Roo system used a Tunit chip rebranded as there own and banged on $300. I know this because I bought a tunit chip direct fom Tunit Australian for my Ranger for $1100 Roo $1495, again who is being Un- Australian...

I dont know if this was the answer you were after, Im tired :( But I am Passionate about looking after the companies that invest time,money and R&D to make there Products..... Australian and Overseas Companies,
People are always after a the best price and get that, but for me its different...

I should have just mentioned that Warn also Do a Entry level good quality winch. As people many people dont relise this,Its based on there older style winches and are a bit slower. Opposite Lock sell then...
If your after a leading Chinese Winch Kingone are pretty good. Theres Kingone (sole Winch Company) Chinese winches and then there is Tigerz11 chinese winches

Cheers Jay

[taslucas]

In the winch debate i decided to buy a second hand warn xd9000 for $500 instead of a brand new cheaper winch for around the same money. I did this because i felt confident that id have the warn for life even if i had to rebuild it a few times along the way. What helped me make this decision was that fact that the Warn winch web site listed (and had part numbers) for every single part of my winch so i felt confident that i had aftermarket support.

[GUtsy ute]

Please let this thread die!

[rottodiver]

I have had my warn 9500 since about 2008, it has been used many times , and except for an installation fault by Arb which was sorted it has been brilliant .... So when you work out the real cost of having a reliable winch divided by the years it lasts the cost is nothing!!!

Scotty

[04OFF]

I dont know if this was the answer you were after, Im tired :( But I am Passionate about looking after the companies that invest time,money and R&D to make there Products..... Australian and Overseas Companies,
People are always after a the best price and get that, but for me its different...

Cheers Jay

Thanks Jay, yeh sorry, not really answerd my questions, but understand your working on ya car mate so don't stress about any further explanation, i don't really need to drag it on any more (Gavins getting upset now anyway, lol) i think i can see where your coming from, and hope you got/get your car sorted out bud ?

[Drewboyaus]

I got told in business its best to move a lot of stock for less than it is to sell for high and make much less sales!!!!????

Maaaaate, you and I need to have a chat about that. That is not good business advice.


Tip tip tip......tap tap tap....

[Clunk]

Can I join?? :)

Oh god no........ can't let in the riff Raff you know!!!!!!!! Hahahahaha

[rottodiver]

Let me guess.....didn't reverse the drain plug and fried the motor? Love a buck every time that happened.

You got it....
Scotty

[Penchy]

There seems to be a great deal negativity toward "roothy" and 4x4 Action, and most of it deserved. But what happens to a business when they don't make sales? They disappear. Sure the Tigerz and Roo systems will always make sales (the Terry Tightarses love to save a few bucks here and there) but in the long run, if they are supplying an inferior product, then their sales will drop.
The other thing that I think gets up peoples noses, is that Roothy likes to think he is the voice of the 4wding public, because he is the face of the highest selling 4wd magazine on the market. If HE had some competition then it would take away from his market, and in turn the 4wd Action market, giving consumers another voice and options. What I would like to see is another personality hit the media to take a fair bit of the limelight from Roothy, it might make him pick his act up (and EMG). From what I have seen, pickings are slim, but the best of the bad bunch would be the guys from All 4 Adventure. But even they have their sponsors to keep happy. I'm sure we all know someone out there who has the knack for brining a smile to everyones face almost immediately, and also has the integrity that people will trust what he/she has to say, and the stories they tell. We should try and find that person a bunch of sponsors and put them in front of a camera.

p.s. Pat Callinan is a goose

[taslucas]

Those are actually very good points you have about roothy. I've never thought of it that way but I reckon your spot on.


FanTapstic!

[Bloodyaussie]

There seems to be a great deal negativity toward "roothy" and 4x4 Action, and most of it deserved. But what happens to a business when they don't make sales? They disappear. Sure the Tigerz and Roo systems will always make sales (the Terry Tightarses love to save a few bucks here and there) but in the long run, if they are supplying an inferior product, then their sales will drop.
The other thing that I think gets up peoples noses, is that Roothy likes to think he is the voice of the 4wding public, because he is the face of the highest selling 4wd magazine on the market. If HE had some competition then it would take away from his market, and in turn the 4wd Action market, giving consumers another voice and options. What I would like to see is another personality hit the media to take a fair bit of the limelight from Roothy, it might make him pick his act up (and EMG). From what I have seen, pickings are slim, but the best of the bad bunch would be the guys from All 4 Adventure. But even they have their sponsors to keep happy. I'm sure we all know someone out there who has the knack for brining a smile to everyones face almost immediately, and also has the integrity that people will trust what he/she has to say, and the stories they tell. We should try and find that person a bunch of sponsors and put them in front of a camera.

p.s. Pat Callinan is a goose

You calling me a terry?????
I have a tigerz winch and to be honest it was from 4wd tv that my mates and I first got into these winches. .. I have nore has my mates had a problem with our winches... sorry I am such I tight ass I cant afford a $1000+ .
Last trip out my winch dragged 2 gu's up a difficult hill plus myself... paid for itself right there.

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[threedogs]

Ron Moon would be my choice, up front a bit biased but he's a great 4x4 spokesman

[TimE]

I'm sure we all know someone out there who has the knack for brining a smile to everyones face almost immediately, and also has the integrity that people will trust what he/she has to say, and the stories they tell. We should try and find that person a bunch of sponsors and put them in front of a camera.


http://youtu.be/fwfdYnSj5Vg

[NP99]

Les Hiddens would be a good choice :)

[Sir Roofy]

http://youtu.be/fwfdynsj5vg

p;erfect choice

[threedogs]

Oh Yeah, love watching the "Bush Tucker Man" What knowledge he must have and great at story telling

[macca]

Prefer to travel with Pat and his mob than Roothy. It was a long time ago I watched one of his vids but to eat the crap he was serving then was disrespectful to the word food. LOL.

He recently did a vid in our area with a mate of ours, Roothy sat in the truck all day, didn't help with track building, clearing etc then made out he discovered this great track they have to try, bloody super star.

When I first joined this forum I thought WTF is that Roothy doing on here, then had a better look at the spelling, it did take me a little while to be convinced our Roofy was another bloke and a good bloke as well

[NP99]

Or Alby Mangels........... :)

[Sir Roofy]

Prefer to travel with Pat and his mob than Roothy. It was a long time ago I watched one of his vids but to eat the crap he was serving then was disrespectful to the word food. LOL.

He recently did a vid in our area with a mate of ours, Roothy sat in the truck all day, didn't help with track building, clearing etc then made out he discovered this great track they have to try, bloody super star.

When I first joined this forum I thought WTF is that Roothy doing on here, then had a better look at the spelling, it did take me a little while to be convinced our Roofy was another bloke and a good bloke as well

thanks mate like your thinking

[threedogs]

Roofy is nothing like Roothy, he's like well Roofy lol

[MudRunnerTD]

Roofy is nothing like Roothy, he's like well Roofy lol

Just like his Avatar but good looking!

[rottodiver]

What about russell coight ???

[NP99]

[QUOTE=rottodiver;372839]What about russell coight ???[/

http://youtu.be/fwfdYnSj5Vg

TimE already posted that mate.......damn EST :)

[Drewboyaus]

Roofy is nothing like Roothy, he's like well Roofy lol

Our Roofy is everything the other one 'ain't in my book......a top bloke!


Tip tip tip......tap tap tap....

[mudski]

Maaaaate, you and I need to have a chat about that. That is not good business advice.


Tip tip tip......tap tap tap....
Drew I have been in the parts business coming on 20 years now, he's right in a way. A bad sale is better than no sale.


Or Alby Mangels........... :)
As long as he has a girl wearing nothing but a two piece bikini, thats my vote.

Wait! Whats this for? The care factor on this topic for me was 0 after the first page of this thread.

[Clunk]

Wait! Whats this for? The care factor on this topic for me was 0 after the first page of this thread.

You mean to say that it took you that long to realise!!!!!?????? ;)

My care factor dropped off the radar as soon as I saw the heading of the thread lol

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

[taslucas]

You mean to say that it took you that long to realise!!!!!?????? ;)

My care factor dropped off the radar as soon as I saw the heading of the thread lol

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

i dont have to care to hijack, it just comes naturally:)

[Irish]

You calling me a terry?????
I have a tigerz winch and to be honest it was from 4wd tv that my mates and I first got into these winches. .. I have nore has my mates had a problem with our winches... sorry I am such I tight ass I cant afford a $1000+ .
Last trip out my winch dragged 2 gu's up a difficult hill plus myself... paid for itself right there.

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Another "Terry Tightarse" here. My tigerz winch has paid for itself a few times over at this stage. In a lot of cases people tend to jump on the bag out wagon after reading stuff on the interwebs. I've self recovered when buried up to the axles in glop and performed many recoveries on mates rigs, still going strong, no muss no fuss.

Not saying all their stuff is great, some of it looks downright shit, but I'm keeping an open mind.

[rottodiver]

[QUOTE=rottodiver;372839]What about russell coight ???[/

http://youtu.be/fwfdYnSj5Vg

TimE already posted that mate.......damn EST :)

Whoops...
Must be onto something though..lol

Scotty

[NP99]

You mean to say that it took you that long to realise!!!!!?????? ;)

My care factor dropped off the radar as soon as I saw the heading of the thread lol

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

The thread topic and discussions don't align anyway......great high jackers :)

[93patrol]

I just visited this thread because I have a popcorn fetish and enjoy seeing people get uppity about nothing. Really the people not attending the 4wd show does it really matter it's their issue not ours.


My 2cents


Just tap it in just tappy tappy tappy

[taslucas]

The thread topic and discussions don't align anyway......great high jackers :)

some say "if you dont like what you read, just look away" I say: "if you dont like what you read then HIJACK THE SH!T OUUTA IT!" hahahaha

[NP99]

some say "if you dont like what you read, just look away" I say: "if you dont like what you read then HIJACK THE SH!T OUUTA IT!" hahahaha

:bowdown: spot on mate.....

[Alitis007]

some say "if you dont like what you read, just look away" I say: "if you dont like what you read then HIJACK THE SH!T OUUTA IT!" hahahaha

Tigerz11 and roo systems drive GQ's lmaoooo

[Thirsty]

I just saw a clip on facebook, Glen hadden talking about Crap. Anyway, he is now Roothy's true understudy. With his new beard and all. HAHAHA

[Winnie]

Tigerz11 and roo systems drive GQ's lmaoooo

It's funny cause Glenn Hadden of Roo ACTUALLY drives a GU

If you're happy and you know it tap a post!

[Alitis007]

It's funny cause Glenn Hadden of Roo ACTUALLY drives a GU

If you're happy and you know it tap a post!

Never heard of him lol ahh well it was worth a try hahaha

[NP99]

It's funny cause Glenn Hadden of Roo ACTUALLY drives a GU

If you're happy and you know it tap a post!

In the DVDs it's a Toyota!

[Ben-e-boy]

Never heard of him lol ahh well it was worth a try hahaha

George dug a hole....this ones hot water in it .

[Ben-e-boy]

In the DVDs it's a Toyota!

He has an 80 series, a 200 series and a GU.

[Alitis007]

George dug a hole....this ones hot water in it .

Atleast i'll be warm!! Hope its freezing in september when you guys come down here mate then i'll be laughing lol

[Irish]

In the DVDs it's a Toyota!

He alternates between a 200 series blandcruiser and a GU

[AB]

Hijack of the century...lol...well done ladies!!!!

[NP99]

He alternates between a 200 series blandcruiser and a GU

Depends on terrain I guess! :)

[taslucas]

I watched one dvd, i think it was called "wet weekend" or "dirty weekend" or something. They went to a 4wd park and the 4runner snapped a cv then later snapped and A arm, the green nugget broke something (cant remember what), and the GU did a cv. Anyway, they kept bagging out the nissan for the whole episode!. In the same episode all the others had to walk up and down a mud track in the rain to winch the green nugget up while his lordship sat on his rrrs in the dry cab FOR 2 HOURS!!! Then the 4runner drove most the way up by itself and after that the GU drove THE WHOLE WAY UP BY ITSELF! but not so much as a word on how well the patrol went and not even a mention of how much the underlings served their lord! Serves them guys right for hanging around the nugget i reckon!

[taslucas]

Hijack of the century...lol...well done ladies!!!!

Your welcome faithful leader

hahaha at least the thread hasnt had the rrrs moderated outta it like another forum lol. Oh and btw it took em two goes to get a similar thread to stay open over there haha

[Clunk]

some say "if you dont like what you read, just look away" I say: "if you dont like what you read then HIJACK THE SH!T OUUTA IT!" hahahaha

I'm right there with you in that one mate......... I can no longer be contained on the night shift thread bwahahahahaha

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

[taslucas]

Depends on terrain I guess! :)

haha yeah, either going bush or going to a trade show

[Ben-e-boy]

Hijack of the century...lol...well done ladies!!!!

C*+t F!#k, s^*t f@^k .......biscuit

[Clunk]

In the DVDs it's a Toyota!

Gu, Toyota........ Same thing aren't they!!!!!!?????????? Hahahaha






















Dons flame proof suit, waiting for the backlash :D:D:D

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

[Drewboyaus]

Should we rename this the bash Roothy thread?????

[Drewboyaus]

Love your work Clunk.


Tip tip tip......tap tap tap....

[Clunk]

Love your work Clunk.


Tip tip tip......tap tap tap....

Thanks Drew...... I do all my best work whilst hijacking other threads lol

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

[Alitis007]

Gu, Toyota........ Same thing aren't they!!!!!!?????????? Hahahaha






















Dons flame proof suit, waiting for the backlash :D:D:D

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

Thats low mate!! I think that should get you 1 day suspension off the forum !!

[Winnie]

I watched one dvd, i think it was called "wet weekend" or "dirty weekend" or something. They went to a 4wd park and the 4runner snapped a cv then later snapped and A arm, the green nugget broke something (cant remember what), and the GU did a cv. Anyway, they kept bagging out the nissan for the whole episode!. In the same episode all the others had to walk up and down a mud track in the rain to winch the green nugget up while his lordship sat on his rrrs in the dry cab FOR 2 HOURS!!! Then the 4runner drove most the way up by itself and after that the GU drove THE WHOLE WAY UP BY ITSELF! but not so much as a word on how well the patrol went and not even a mention of how much the underlings served their lord! Serves them guys right for hanging around the nugget i reckon!

Only good thing they say about it is how good it is with the ROO SYSTEMS chip and exhaust

If you're happy and you know it tap a post!

[taslucas]

Should we rename this the bash Roothy thread?????

We could but that would be unfair for all the other stuff we're bashing in it!

[Forced Offroad]

I kmow I know, where getting over all this but I just read this, them blokes from action and ROO are still banning own and getting childish on social media.

But this fella claims he work for the mag. I think he should be the new boss

Biig Farmer (facebook name)


Let me begin by saying I work at Action. However, in the interests of keeping my job I must write this under a different name.

The issue isn't the fact that Roo and Tigerz sell cheap products. There will always be a market for such gear. It's more that the heavy and subjective promotion of those products in and by Action at the expense of established quality products delivers us a massive editorial credibility problem.

The fact is that you are interfering with the editorial independence of the writing staff because of your financial interests. It is the reason why, for example, there are no more product comparisons in 4WD Action. You banned them. Because it wouldn't do to have products you have a vested interest in, not winning the comparisons. The last product comparo, if I recall correctly, was the disastrous air compressor issue.

Reading Action, you could quite easily come to the conclusion that a Chinese Roo bullbar or a Tigerz 11 winch is of the same quality as an ARB bar or a Warn winch. And that is misleading our readership and making us the laughing stock of many people who have spent a long time in the industry.

Speaking to industry leaders as I do on a regular basis, our reputation is mud. Our attachment to Roo and Tigerz has done irreparable harm to our standing amongst many of the established companies that helped found 4WDing in this country. Not because they sell cheap products, but because of the deceptive way they are promoted by Action at the expense of anything else.

Action is still a good read, and great value. That, and the lack of decent competition, is why sales continue to grow. But your focus on making money over editorial content is gradually destroying the quality of the magazine. Staff turnover is ridiculously high. Freelance rates are so low that many writers and photographers will no longer accept jobs. More and more stories are written and shot by people with no experience. Editorial quality is declining. As you have said, many advertisers have pulled out.

If you're not careful, your prediction that the print market is declining (despite the evidence to the contrary) will become a self-fulfilling prophecy as the readership wake up to the fact that you're more interested in selling cheap winches than delivering a quality, objective magazine.

[Clunk]

Thats low mate!! I think that should get you 1 day suspension off the forum !!

That's very kind of you, can you make it a 3" lift please, I'm trying to keep my gq looking as legal as possible..... thanks Georgina :D

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

[Clunk]

Good read oh Forced one.......... I hope that guy was clever enough not to sign into the forum from his/her home address or found as way to hide their IP address lol

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

[rottodiver]

Good one forced....
So it may not be a happy little camp at actions hq.... Maybe that idiot roothy can make a video about the un Australian workers at action aswell...
Scotty

[Alitis007]

That's very kind of you, can you make it a 3" lift please, I'm trying to keep my gq looking as legal as possible..... thanks Georgina :D

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

Done!! Bring it to my shop and i'll "FIX" it right up for ya mate. Ah wait its a Q, will it make it this far?? Hahaha

[Clunk]

Done!! Bring it to my shop and i'll "FIX" it right up for ya mate. Ah wait its a Q, will it make it this far?? Hahaha

It'll make it a far as I will it to go lol

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

[NP99]

High staff turn over = trouble around the corner!

[Alitis007]

It'll make it a far as I will it to go lol

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

Da hell is will it to go mean lmao?? Dunno if its the scotch or if it past my bed time haha i say a bit of vas gets it further PML!!!

[mudnut]

40 pages, good start to be a full blown paperback novel.

[NP99]

40 pages, good start to be a full blown paperback novel.

A hero, a villain and a love interest! When the movie is out, who will play Roothy? :)

[my third 256]

He alternates between a 200 series blandcruiser and a GU
the 200 is his wifes

[growler2058]

Mag subscription came today with an extra envelope
29300
Not my subscription mother in law got it for me......bless her


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[Bloodyaussie]

Mag subscription came today with an extra envelope
29300
Not my subscription mother in law got it for me......bless her


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Feeling guilty at all.... ??? Roothy is pointing at you in a very serious manner mate!!

[Forced Offroad]

Heard about this, some saying this was already a planned move before all this come out.

On another note. Check out ARB's website, they mention on there twitter account about this sale , some of there stores around AUS are having big pre stock sale.Called ARB nundah today, they were opening at 7 on Saturday now opening at 6.

I will be there at 5 with a fair few other by the sounds of it,hoping to get 1 of the 4 45lt ARB fridge freezers for $400 recondition 2nd ones.

[taslucas]

Heard about this, some saying this was already a planned move before all this come out.
.

Would be interesting to find out where and when those flyers were printed. Might just catch them out?

[Winnie]

Heard about this, some saying this was already a planned move before all this come out.

On another note. Check out ARB's website, they mention on there twitter account about this sale , some of there stores around AUS are having big pre stock sale.Called ARB nundah today, they were opening at 7 on Saturday now opening at 6.

I will be there at 5 with a fair few other by the sounds of it,hoping to get 1 of the 4 45lt ARB fridge freezers for $400 recondition 2nd ones.

Stock take sales are great... always lots of stuff going well below cost. Anything you don't have to count is a bonus! I am going through stocktake at the moment and it's a nightmare so we've been giving stuff away so we don't have to count it all.

[Bloodyaussie]

Stock take sales are great... always lots of stuff going well below cost. Anything you don't have to count is a bonus! I am going through stocktake at the moment and it's a nightmare so we've been giving stuff away so we don't have to count it all.

Remind me not to go into business with you mate??

[taslucas]

Remind me not to go into business with you mate??

Remind me to give you my address!

[patrolmq]

If all the cheap stuff was rubbish and the expensive local stuff was top notch, then no one would buy the cheap stuff. But clearly, they are selling it cheaply and making a profit, so clearly not everyone wants to pay top dollar for the expensive top notch kit, people are going for cheaper options and taking a risk on the quality, which often turns out to be good. Australia can't continue with the isolated island attitude, charging excessive prices for local stuff and denying competition from anywhere else. As in the rest of the big wide world, there's competition and companies must adapt to survive. If the high cost of local products is what people want to pay for the quality, then there would be no market for the cheaper stuff, but that's not the case. If local companies want to compete then they'll need to justify their high costs with high quality otherwise customers are going to see right through it. Local companies need to adapt to the market. And yes I work for a local manufacturer.

[robbo0001]

The thing that annoys me is that the SAME products, built in Australia- exported to America and the sold via amazon/ eBay back to bloody Australians....can be Cheaper to purchase from overseas and be bloody shipped back!
That is BS and price gouging of the highest order, and I reckon it's about time ARB and TJM realised that the Internet has destroyed their stranglehold on the market. They either adapt or watch their market share dwindle even more.

As for the Roothy/ tigerz 11 shite... I get spammed regularly and just delete the emails.
They have done themselves no favours with the "protest sale" guff... But neither have any of the big players in the industry by ripping people off for the last 20+ years.

If anyone says its not driven by money, and that have "Australia's best interests" at heart, just laugh and walk away.
It all about COIN.

That's my measly 2 cents on the subject.
Cheers

[Winnie]

Their targeted audience are not serious 4WDers or people who have been doing it for a long time... it's generally people new to it all who don't know any better and think that it's a great bargain! One of my mates is a sucker..... he has been burnt by them before but keeps saying he will buy their stuff.

[Bloodyaussie]

The thing that annoys me is that the SAME products, built in Australia- exported to America and the sold via amazon/ eBay back to bloody Australians....can be Cheaper to purchase from overseas and be bloody shipped back!
That is BS and price gouging of the highest order, and I reckon it's about time ARB and TJM realised that the Internet has destroyed their stranglehold on the market. They either adapt or watch their market share dwindle even more.

As for the Roothy/ tigerz 11 shite... I get spammed regularly and just delete the emails.
They have done themselves no favours with the "protest sale" guff... But neither have any of the big players in the industry by ripping people off for the last 20+ years.

If anyone says its not driven by money, and that have "Australia's best interests" at heart, just laugh and walk away.
It all about COIN.

That's my measly 2 cents on the subject.
Cheers

I was getting mail from all of that bunch and it was only one of them I was signed up to receive emails from... so I cancelled the lot!!

Shoot themselves in the foot... or I could do it for them....!!!

[robbo0001]

I have an awning, a roof rack and a winch and they haven't failed me yet.
I know the risks, I maintain em and I use em.
And those three purchases saved me and my family about 2500 bucks as opposed to walking into ARB and plonking down my credit card, and saying "please rip me off"
Each supplier has its merits, and the smart consumer can make up their own mind, without falling for hype and counter-hype.
If my gear fails... I will fix it.
Pretty simple. Screw warranty, I don't need it, so I take the risk.
Other people can do what they want.

[taslucas]

If all the cheap stuff was rubbish and the expensive local stuff was top notch, then no one would buy the cheap stuff. But clearly, they are selling it cheaply and making a profit, so clearly not everyone wants to pay top dollar for the expensive top notch kit, people are going for cheaper options and taking a risk on the quality, which often turns out to be good. Australia can't continue with the isolated island attitude, charging excessive prices for local stuff and denying competition from anywhere else. As in the rest of the big wide world, there's competition and companies must adapt to survive. If the high cost of local products is what people want to pay for the quality, then there would be no market for the cheaper stuff, but that's not the case. If local companies want to compete then they'll need to justify their high costs with high quality otherwise customers are going to see right through it. Local companies need to adapt to the market. And yes I work for a local manufacturer.

The reason people are negative towards the 4wda magazine, tigerz and roo isnt really anything to do with out-sourcing. Its to do with quality control, theres plenty of angry people that have received substandard products and customer service from said brands. But really, i think the things that has got most peoples back up are:
the fact that the magazine has turned into a product brochure but will not admit it.
the mascot roothy constantly shooting his mouth off in a negative fashion (regarding track closures and the protest sale to name a few).
the fact that they treat the regular 4wder as an idiot
the perceived byas of the now removed comparisons
the diminishing editorial standard
the recycled stories
the money hungry market based mentality of the emg/4wda/tigerz/roo community
the list goes on. Its been brewing for a while and the latest "banned" stunt has just brought it all to a head.

[Bloodyaussie]

Yeah I liked it when there was readers turning up to show them around the high country in a GQ on there DVD's... now its one of the same bozo's every time.

[taslucas]

Soooooo...............

BUMP!

Whats the latest on this one? Has it all been swept under the carpet so quickly?

[93patrol]

Probably Lucas it was a fly by night thing and now it's over


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[taslucas]

Probably Lucas it was a fly by night thing and now it's over


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Yeah your probably right.
It just sucks that roothy makes things sound like its the end of the world when he has his rants. And in this case it seems to be all over and business as usual.

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[93patrol]

It was all probably to get people to buy their stuff away from the show and not spend money there. Publicity stunt and it may have worked for them. Ahh well chit happens


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[threedogs]

I would think most ppl in general would have a good idea if something was up to scratch quality wise.
So that would come under "buyer beware", I'm Like Robbo I'll repair if possible, or even re-make
something if it breaks. Wonder what Bens take on all this is, ,,,,,,,,?????
Makes you think if you can get a free awning for 12 Mags IMO.

[Forced Offroad]

Edit
I Heard the General Manger (GM) from Roo Systems who helped Roo systems get off the ground. Is now not working for the company. This happen just after a couple of weeks this all came out.



Wasn't my best post, I do get a little Dyslexic after 8 at night

[Bloodyaussie]

Heard the GM from Roo who even said he even tried to book a spot at the show has now not working for the company.

Sorry I have tried to read that six times??? think I am dislexic??

[93patrol]

i think the general manager of Roo systems quit but did try to book a spot at the show......... is what Forced is saying maybe

[NP99]

Heard the GM from Roo who even said he even tried to book a spot at the show has now not working for the company.

Uh! :) ...............

[rottodiver]

I was just reading an article about the conditions that these individuals who actually assemble these Chinese (and an asian)products work in (not specifacally 4wd and camping gear)and the extrodorinary high workplace accident and death rate. Buying from these companies alone I believe and subjecting other human beings to these conditions just so we can save a few hundred dollars (or even more)on our toys is wrong, this to me is the best reason not to buy Chinese.... I would be a lot happier if there was some sort of quality control on the work conditions at these places even if they don't have it on the equipment. Maybe 4wd action should do a story on the people who actually work for these manufacturers and then tell us how "Australian or unaustralian" they are.
I certainly wouldn't say every manufacturer over there has bad conditions but it would be nice to know the state of the place you are buying from....
This is just my two cents worth and I know there are heaps of people reading this that dis agree but it seems strange the second I was reading this article I thought of the Australian/unaustralian comment from that goose!!!

Scotty

[Hodge]

I still believe this is just a marketing stunt, look at the exposure it's given them.

[Avo]

[QUOTE=Hodge;380016]I still believe this is just a marketing stunt, look at the exposure it's given them.[/QUOTE


I don't see how as they didn't ban themselves from the melbourne show......ARB and others said if they are allowed to come we are not..Not a bad stunt by arb to promote tiger11 and roo...Think not....

[P4trol]

Not sure the exposure was exactly good press.

[NP99]

Not sure the exposure was exactly good press.

Any publicity is good publicity for them. Most people forget the truth or reasons for events like this. Their prices didn't drop like they said. Yet another shameless advert for the gullible public!