Quality trailer hub, brake and bearings

[Maxhead]

Looking at putting new hubs and brakes on my trailer after a bit of an incident yesterday.
I need something that is quality as this trailer does a bit of work carting wood out of Brindabella so it gets punished a bit...lol

\Currently I have 5 stud hubs but want to change to change to 6 so it suits the Patrol wheel as well. I will need mechanical brakes as well or might even go to an electric type

I'm a bit lost on the bearings though as there are SL, LM, ford, holden bearings and I have no idea what they are

Anyway, what is a good quality brand of hubs brakes, bearings etc.

On my caravan I have ALKO gear on and I'm pretty sure its good quality.


This is the thing im looking at http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/XTRAIL-electric-drum-brake-kit-caravan-trailer-parts-/111007303518?pt=Caravan_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19d88d075e&_uhb=1#ht_8847wt_1186

Couple of pics from yesterday....and YES I had to unload the whole trailer of river rocks on the side of the road so I could move it...not happy...lol
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/02/56.jpg
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/02/57.jpghttp://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/02/58.jpg

[Ben-e-boy]

Get japanese bearings (Koyo, Timikin etc) It will be cheaper if you go to an industrial supplier like BSC or SKF. You just need the inner and outer race diameters. I cant help with the hubs and breakes though

Benny

[MudRunnerTD]

Damn! That Sux alot Kris!!! Ghee you would never predict that bud! Damn! it Sheered right off!

There is a Thread around i think from 3dogs all about up-specing a trailer he has and i cant find it, have a bit of a look around though mate as there are a good 5 or 6 pages in that thread.

Cheers Darren

[threedogs]

Usually the hubs do have holden or /ford bearings.
Might be worth while if time allows to put bigger /stronger bearings
in place with some bearing buddies any engineering shop should be able to mod
to suit. Strange everyone building these socalled off road trailers, me included
are doing so on cheap little bearings

What caused that failure?????

[MudRunnerTD]

What caused that failure?????

River Rocks i reckon ;) Time for an Upgrade

[Bloodyaussie]

Can I play to... I want to rebuild my trailer!!!!!

[MudRunnerTD]

Can I play to... I want to rebuild my trailer!!!!!

Hey Jonathan, i think it was your thread that i cant find now?? have you got a link to it mate?

[jack]

Hi Kris, Timken bearings all the way, they are quality.

[Bloodyaussie]

Nah Darren.. I think its Mudski's isn't it????

Its all so confusing..... I think I need to sit down, err I already am!!!!

[Maxhead]

What caused that failure?????

Over loaded mate...I know I know!!!

[Bloodyaussie]

Over loaded mate...I know I know!!!

You or the trailer???

[Maxhead]

You or the trailer???

Hahaha, The trailer was I needed to be ......

[Maxhead]

OK, I'm measuring my axle so I purchase the correct brake and hub but I'm a bit confused where to measure it. There's 39, 40, 45, etc,

Is this where I need to measure it. I have 40mm in this section

[MQ MAD]

Take your old bearing into a bearing shop,trailer shop they will be measured and youll get the right replacements first up ...
A trailer here i wanted to go from holden wheels to ford, the bearings and hubs are a mix of the two,as the axle diameters are different
Goin to a 4x4 wheels, i think from memory there a bigger axle again and a flat not tapered bearing as its better for load,but being a wee trailer like that ,with brakes whats its total load ,tonne ???
You could even clean up the old bearings, and get the part numbers of them,but IF your changing hubs to a different bolt pattern,your best to go into theses places
2 hubs and bearings for the trailer above, over 3 years ago,was just over $80 ...

[Maxhead]

Take your old bearing into a bearing shop,trailer shop they will be measured and youll get the right replacements first up ...
A trailer here i wanted to go from holden wheels to ford, the bearings and hubs are a mix of the two,as the axle diameters are different
Goin to a 4x4 wheels, i think from memory there a bigger axle again and a flat not tapered bearing as its better for load,but being a wee trailer like that ,with brakes whats its total load ,tonne ???
You could even clean up the old bearings, and get the part numbers of them,but IF your changing hubs to a different bolt pattern,your best to go into theses places
2 hubs and bearings for the trailer above, over 3 years ago,was just over $80 ...



ATM is only 750kg so brakes aren't needed but the handbrake is bloody handy so I'll put mechanical brakes back on....electric is an overkill for the current setup but if I upgrade then I'll need them .

I'm pretty sure its a 40mm square axle so legally I'm limited to 14" wheel diameter and it has 16s on it now. I think I'll need to change the whole axle/hub/brake if I want something stronger. If I just change to a bigger hub the axle is still underated and a weak point

decisions decisions

[threedogs]

Yeah that would do it. Any trailer/ebay shop will have hubs with electric brakes, BUT it will
still have holden/ford bearings. I specified I wanted 6 stud hubs thinking they would be stronger,
BUT nah just Holden/ford bearings. Maybe not worth the trouble of sourcing bigger load bearing,
bearings, I wonder what the more $$$$$ camper trailer use, wouldn't it be funny ha ha if they
used only holden/ford bearings, weak link there eh

[MC97GQ]

Kris,

If you are going 6 stud hubs you will need a 45mm diameter axle, you are probably better off to find a trailer shop and get the whole axle, bearings and hubs all ready fitted up then come home and bolt the whole setup to your springs.

Can't help with the brake side of things, but a good trailer shop should point you in the right direction

Good luck with it,

Mark

[threedogs]

STD backing plate measure centre to centre both ways take a pic plus old bearing sweeeeet as

If you only want to change from 5 to 6 stud just but new hubs, If you feel you need 50 x 50 solid axle
measure from hub to hub where rim hit hub allow for off set and tyre bulge. it may not fit under your
guards, My last trailer only just fit 285s

[jack]

I wonder what the more $$$$$ camper trailer use, wouldn't it be funny ha ha if they
used only holden/ford bearings, weak link there eh
I can tell you that Jayco uses a mixture of Ford & Holden, I contacted them to check and they confirmed it. Ended up having Ford in mine.

[threedogs]

$40K for an off road/ top of the range trailer running pissy little bearings,
Not this little black duck, would be interesting Thread

[GUtsy ute]

Hi Kris,
If you go the new everything route, price getting parallel bearing hubs.
These have the same size bearings inner and outer(both same as inner bigger one.)
Same set up as a leaf sprung ute diff hubs.
Best thing for serious off road and really heavy loads(such as 1.5 tonne of river rock)LOL.

Cheers Gavin

[MudRunnerTD]

mmmmmmmm River Rocks!!! There not that heavy Kris! Load Em up bud! Shoulda thrown them in the back of the red Wagon wheel.

[Bloodyaussie]

Yeah I was thinking about those river rocks????????

There $190m3 here???

How much do you pay???

[MudRunnerTD]

Yeah I was thinking about those river rocks????????

There $190m3 here???

How much do you pay???



>> 1m3 for River Rock = $190

>> A new hub and axle for the trailer = $450

>> the look on Kris's face as his trailer wheel passed him going down the road = Priceless!!!

>> Watching Kris unload the trailer on the side of the road! = I'd pay to see that!

[Maxhead]

You bastards, just typical....laughing at someones misfortune...LOL

I reckon the look on me would have been pretty funny when it happened. It went off with a bang...I should have some audio of it as the camera was recording at the time....

This is just a minor set back boys...I'M GETTING THOSE ROCKS IF IT KILLS ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but may be 2 trips this time...llol...they're only about 15 minutes away from home...spewing!

[Bloodyaussie]

This is just a minor set back boys...I'M GETTING THOSE ROCKS IF IT KILLS ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but may be 2 trips this time...llol...they're only about 15 minutes away from home...spewing!

Ba ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!

[threedogs]

Heres the Party pooper bit, and your permit for river rocks you get from ??????????
just throwing it out there,,,,,,,,,,,,,I see nothing,NOTHING

Robert Redford in The Castle one rock at a time,,,

[Maxhead]

Heres the Party pooper bit, and your permit for river rocks you get from ??????????
just throwing it out there,,,,,,,,,,,,,I see nothing,NOTHING

Robert Redford in The Castle one rock at a time,,,

Why would I need a permit TD??

[threedogs]

Just thinking you need permits to remove firewood, breathe, poo you need permit for everything these days.
If you're removing from a creek just wouldn't seem right or suppose I'm wrong again

[Winnie]

What do you know another negative post from TD......

[Maxhead]

Just thinking you need permits to remove firewood, breathe, poo you need permit for everything these days.
If you're removing from a creek just wouldn't seem right or suppose I'm wrong again

Yeah its from the side of the river on someones property. I hope they don;t mind me taking a few rocks though...ohhh and all the wood.

[Winnie]

What they don't know won't hurt them hey. I'm sure they've got plenty more rocks anyway I doubt they'd notice.

[Maxhead]

What they don't know won't hurt them hey. I'm sure they've got plenty more rocks anyway I doubt they'd notice.
Just got to be really quite when I go there...shhhhh

[pearcey]

Hi guys
Looks like the bearings are OK you only broke the hub
A 6 stud hub can be done on on Holden or Ford bearings
A45 mm axle with Ford bearings is rated slightly higher than Holden bearings
The problem is the hub not the bearings
If you chose to use 15 or 16m rims I would only fit 10inch electric brakes

[Maxhead]

Hi guys
Looks like the bearings are OK you only broke the hub
A 6 stud hub can be done on on Holden or Ford bearings
A45 mm axle with Ford bearings is rated slightly higher than Holden bearings
The problem is the hub not the bearings
If you chose to use 15 or 16m rims I would only fit 10inch electric brakes

Thanks mate, yeah an upgrade is a must I think.
45mm or 50mm axle with 10" hubs and good bearings.

[Maxhead]

I nearly forgot....just for the record the rocks came out of my mates property
The floods last year decided to sweep his belongings down the river never to be seen again and instead left him with about a million ton of river rock...spewing

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..........on the move

[threedogs]

Well my theory that rocks dont grow on trees is unfounded
I'd be ringing all Landscaper and retire, what was it $190 a metre
Is 1 mtr a trailer load// ppl will come Niss ppl will come

[mudski]

Nice spot there to cast a fly...

[Maxhead]

Nice spot there to cast a fly...

It certainly is mate...:)

[threedogs]

Cant remember price but I have 50 x 50 axle with 10" electric brakes and 6 stud pattern hubs
Dont think I paid more than $600 and a custom length not off the shelf

[DX grunt]

Over loaded mate...I know I know!!!

Is that a confession? PML

I gotta upgrade my towbar coz it will only tow 2500kg, and the caravan I'm thinking of getting is 2700kg. Damn, there goes another 500-600 bucks.

[DX grunt]

>> 1m3 for River Rock = $190

>> A new hub and axle for the trailer = $450

>> the look on Kris's face as his trailer wheel passed him going down the road = Priceless!!!

>> Watching Kris unload the trailer on the side of the road! = I'd pay to see that!

Sounds like a Kodak moment. LOL - now, hey Kris.

[threedogs]

I have 3.5t towbar on my 3lt auto, only cause never had or do 2,5t i think

[MQ MAD]

Well my theory that rocks dont grow on trees is unfounded
I'd be ringing all Landscaper and retire, what was it $190 a metre
Is 1 mtr a trailer load// ppl will come Niss ppl will come

$190 a metre from a lanscape yard, thats about right depending on rock size, minus their storage and carting fees, they make a bit but they use big trucks to cart the stuff
1 mtre of rocks usually is over 1 tonne .......depends on rock size

I got 10 tonne of smallish rocks delivered, cost $500, it was around 8 metres,very deceptive them rocks