moderation

[macca86]

I have started seeing more posts getting closed after some mild respectful debate. Are we in a nanny forum or am I out of line for having an opinion. It seems as though it might be wrong.
I know we are a patrol forum and often we stray from just patrols but really many of us here are friends in person and online most of these closed threads everyone played fair. What are every ones thoughts

[Bigrig]

I have started seeing more posts getting closed after some mild respectful debate. Are we in a nanny forum or am I out of line for having an opinion. It seems as though it might be wrong.
I know we are a patrol forum and often we stray from just patrols but really many of us here are friends in person and online most of these closed threads everyone played fair. What are every ones thoughts

Have to agree with you mate ... if people play 'nice' can't see an issue ..

That said, it'd have to be fairly serious for me to consider questioning another mods decision as we're all pretty laid back with it ..


I'd Tap That!!

[Dhuck]

No Macca. I have known you for a while now and know you call a spade a spade. You have called it a mild respectful debate, how ever sometimes these things can get out of hand. I for one started getting a little protective in respect to the thread you are indicating. I would like to go further with it. But I do not wish to offend others and their views.

[growler2058]

Couple of the forum rules are
No politics
No religion
So while AB is away I've shut the thread till he can suss it out.
For transparency I've had a number of members ? This thread so like I say I've locked it till the boss man can eyeball it
Feel free to pm me for a debate hahahaha I love it ;)

[macca86]

If only we lived in a world of no politics and religion and lock up those that shove it down other peoples throats we'd live in a better world

[Clunk]

I might go and join a knitting forum, they might play a bit harder.... Knit one, pearl one!!!!! :D:D:what:

Don't stroke it, TAP it!!!!.....

[growler2058]

I might go and join a knitting forum, they might play a bit harder.... Knit one, pearl one!!!!! :D:D:what:

Don't stroke it, TAP it!!!!.....

Sounds like you know a bit too much about nittin pal hahahahahahaa

[Clunk]

Sounds like you know a bit too much about nittin pal hahahahahahaa

Oh growlers, there's lots I know mate......... crocheting, sewing, knitting, scrap booking and it's all tough stuff bud ;)

To tap, or not to tap: Well it's obviously tap because this is the signature hey!!!!!! Duh

[growler2058]

Oh growlers, there's lots I know mate......... crocheting, sewing, knitting, scrap booking and it's all tough stuff bud ;)

To tap, or not to tap: Well it's obviously tap because this is the signature hey!!!!!! Duh

For some reason this doesn't surprise me mate :)

[nissannewby]

The mods do a bloody good job. Even in this thread its evident, to some people its a mild respectful debate but then there is others who it hits very close to home and is gonna affect differently to others. The main problem is we as people are infinitely variable trying to keep the balance is the hard part. Everyone on here gets a long very well and its a credit to the mods as they are the ones making the tough decisions while keeping everyone in mind.

[NissanGQ4.2]

Another forum rule which often gets over looked:

The owners of NissanPatrol.com.au Forum reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any content item for any reason.

Yes macca you have every right to an opinion as we as mods have every right to edit / delete / close threads.

I don't like to edit other peoples post or close threads, I'm sure the other mods don't like to do it either. There are no set rules to being a moderator, we just do what we believe at the time is in the best interest for Andy and the forum.

If Andy see's a thread that has been locked by one of us he will question our reasoning and if open it back if he see's fit.

Cheers

Toddie

[growler2058]

Well I got to work at 2am this morning and gotta be there in 8 hrs so I'm crashing try an d $&@"€*# play nice ya mob of $&@"?!'€£^%#*+^%#£€¥+^%#

[Clunk]

Feel free to pm me for a debate hahahaha I love it ;)

No point ........ you never answer them!!!!!!!! :D

To tap, or not to tap: Well it's obviously tap because this is the signature hey!!!!!! Duh

[wildgu6]

Hey Macca, not to sure what threads are gettin closed and for what reason, Not really any of my business and I'm not really concerned if they get closed coz there would be a reason behind it.
How ever it is a family friendly forum and we need to remember that it's not just a group of mates that read these threads, it's every one that visits the site, you need to take into consideration that every one dosnt have the same views as you and the same interests as you and may be a bit more conservative than you, yes I know they don't have to read it but they can view it before deciding its not for them. Remember family friendly which also meens members kids can also read this stuff.
As I said I don't really care coz there's so much of interest for me to read on here and if I don't like it I will move on to another but we have to consider others that may not be comfortable as mates just yet. Yes it is a forum (chat room) but if you want to have a chat with mates where anything goes so to speak you have PMs, visitor msgs, text, face book, there a many options, just a thought maybe the mod squad could put up a rated ramble thread with a warning R rated or something of the likes. Sorry mate just MO,
Don't think this site would be what it is if we didn't have the controls that we have, think the mods and the members do a brilliant job to make this place what it is.


TAPPN OUT

[evillius]

I think it says a lot about this forum that this thread even exists...

I have been on other forums where the thread would be locked then deleted the instant a mod saw it and then the op would be banned.

Snap nap or tap - it's your choice...

[Cuppa]

Well ......... I was about to post a new thread specifically about the closure of the Flag thread, but seeings this one has been started I'll post my thoughts here.

I really am pretty cheesed off that that thread was closed.
IMO it is reasonable to expect that posters will in the main moderate themselves, only requiring the moderators to step in when a poster or posters show an inability to moderate themselves.

In the Flag thread , whilst a range of differing views were expressed, in the main they were done with respect for each other & without promoting or condoning racist behaviours or attitudes.

Rather than close such threads surely it would be preferable for the moderators to moderate individual posts or part posts. This would help to educate all posters about what is & what is not acceptable, rather than just closing the thread because someone has, or might, get out of order?

I can't find the terms of use for the forum at the moment, but I'm sure they must exist, & I'm sure that contained within them will be something to the effect that posts that promote or condone racist behaviours & beliefs are unnacceptable. Having been a moderator elsewhere I understand that such calls can be hard to make but the responsibility to do so goes with the territory, & closing the whole thread does nothing to educate about what is & what isn't acceptable.

As an online community we will have a huge range of views on an infinite range of topics. IMO the forum is like an online camp fire, although it is an interest in Patrols that brings us together, we should hope to be able to discuss, debate, even argue about any topic, just as we would if we were sitting around a real camp fire face to face.

The lack of face to face nature of 'talking' & relative anonymity online makes it easier to overstep the mark. This is why moderators are needed, but in my view to educate, not control, in the hope that participants will learn to moderate themselves.

Closing whole threads only gives the message that contentious topics are 'dangerous' & should not be tolerated. It is also an open invitation to those intolerant of views differing from their own to have others different views effectively censored by turning a thread 'nasty'.

Patrol & 4wd'ing topics will always dominate, as they should on a Patrol forum, but for the community to keep it's 'spark' there is a need for other types of discussion.


Cuppa

[macca86]

I do actually think the mods do a great job here it is a great place to be friendly and welcoming. I just sometime think its a little heavy handed as cuppa says we mostly self moderate because we enjoy this place and respect this place. i am also glad we are allowed to have these kind of threads as it shows maturity.

[Cuppa]

In case anyone thinks I'm suggesting otherwise, I also think that the mods here generally do a pretty good & seamless job, & that as a community we are generally respectful of each other. Were it not so I would not choose to hang out here.

Cuppa

[wildgu6]

Mmmmm maybe I might change my opinion now I know what thread was closed, should of looked into it before I had a rant, Sorry Macca, on you side now. How sad closed an expression of interest thread, this is Australia and changing the flag is of interest at the moment and we all have the right to vote and express our interest and have our say on what concerns us and effects us as a nation.


TAPPN OUT

[Clunk]

X2 with what cuppa said......... pretty much all of us regulars here have the sense to self moderate and most of the time the moderators (who by the way do a fantastic job) don't really need to do much in that respect.....

Love you guys, back to my knitting ;)

To tap, or not to tap: Well it's obviously tap because this is the signature hey!!!!!! Duh

[Clunk]

Mmmmm maybe I might change my opinion now I know what thread was closed, should of looked into it before I had a rant, Sorry Macca, on you side now. How sad closed an expression of interest thread, this is Australia and changing the flag is a political interest at the moment and we all have the right to vote and express our interest and have our say on what concerns us and effects us as a nation.


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But not politically though because thread of a political or religious nature aren't allowed ;)

To tap, or not to tap: Well it's obviously tap because this is the signature hey!!!!!! Duh

[NissanGQ4.2]

How sad closed an expression of interest thread, this is Australia and changing the flag is a political interest at the moment and we all have the right to vote and express our interest and have our say on what concerns us and effects us as a nation.


TAPPN OUT

Does not interest me one little bit on a 4wd forum, if I wanted to talk about the flag I would of joined in the debate on one of many websites that are set up to debate this exact topic.

[Clunk]

Does not interest me one little bit on a 4wd forum, if I wanted to talk about the flag I would of joined in the debate on one of many websites that are set up to debate this exact topic.

But is that not what the general chat section is for........ Items of discussion not related to Nissan patrols and 4wd'n????

Don't stroke it, TAP it!!!!.....

[MC97GQ]

Have trolled thru 7 pages regarding the flag and yet to see a personal attack only intelligent and reasonable debate,

Log on to find the thread closed, WTF is going on, it wasn't political no one mentioned the Rangger, Rudd or Howard.

For crying out loud is this what we have come to, cant we talk about issues other than a buggered up Nissan Patrol,

I feel sorry for the blokes at the Vic meetup because no doubt they will be all in bed by now because after a few beers and starting to talk about the news of the day they will have to have put themselves to bed to self moderate so they dont say any thing that might offend.

Moderation is one thing censorship is another.

I think this forum is way above both.

Mark

Mods - If this has hit a nerve feel free to ban me, because if we can't talk about this stuff, I don't think I want to be here.

[NissanGQ4.2]

But is that not what the general chat section is for........ Items of discussion not related to Nissan patrols and 4wd'n????

Don't stroke it, TAP it!!!!.....

Yes anything not political or religious in nature

[MC97GQ]

Todd,

Read my post above, did the Flag thread get political, religious or racist. I think moderation is good but when it is necessary.

Anyway time for another beer and to maybe sign off as I might say something I will really regret, I do love this forum.

Mark

[Dhuck]

Todd,

Read my post above, did the Flag thread get political, religious or racist. I think moderation is good but when it is necessary.

Anyway time for another beer and to maybe sign off as I might say something I will really regret, I do love this forum.

Mark

As a good boy I am at times this is what I have done.

[NissanGQ4.2]

Moderation is one thing censorship is another.

I think this forum is way above both.

So when does moderation start and finish and when does censorship start and finish???

Coldcomfort the person that started the thread can question question growlers on the reasons behind closing the thread and if he doesn't agree with growlers he can have Andy review it.

Really as simply as that

[NissanGQ4.2]

night guys before I ban myself

[Bigrig]

Have trolled thru 7 pages regarding the flag and yet to see a personal attack only intelligent and reasonable debate,

Log on to find the thread closed, WTF is going on, it wasn't political no one mentioned the Rangger, Rudd or Howard.

For crying out loud is this what we have come to, cant we talk about issues other than a buggered up Nissan Patrol,

I feel sorry for the blokes at the Vic meetup because no doubt they will be all in bed by now because after a few beers and starting to talk about the news of the day they will have to have put themselves to bed to self moderate so they dont say any thing that might offend.

Moderation is one thing censorship is another.

I think this forum is way above both.

Mark

Mods - If this has hit a nerve feel free to ban me, because if we can't talk about this stuff, I don't think I want to be here.

You're sooooo banned!!! lmao


I'd Tap That!!

[Clunk]

As a good boy I am at times this is what I have done.

I haven't started drinking yet and have kept reasonably quiet...... I'm debating with myself whether or not I should keep it rhat way.

And yes I went back and read through all 7 pages, just to double check its contents.............. And yes I still believe the Union Jack should be replaced with the Welsh flag seeing as the welsh play no part in the make up of that flag.......... Bloody English!!!!!!!!! Hahahaha

Don't stroke it, TAP it!!!!.....

[Bigrig]

night guys before I ban myself

Another one for the banned list!!! lol


I'd Tap That!!

[MC97GQ]

No worries Todd,

So by your theory only the person who starts a thread and the person who closes the thread have any input,

So the rest of the members of this forum who try to put some reasonable input into the place can go F.. Themselves,

Mate, it's going to be a lonely place for you with that mentality.

Mark

[Clunk]

Kaaaabooooom

Don't stroke it, TAP it!!!!.....

[MC97GQ]

Yeah Clunk I thought better about typing it, but that sort of attitude shats me.

I thought we were a community, and as such could talk without the big stick.

Mark

[wildgu6]

But not politically though because thread of a political or religious nature aren't allowed ;)

To tap, or not to tap: Well it's obviously tap because this is the signature hey!!!!!! Duh

Fixed that little glitch


Does not interest me one little bit on a 4wd forum, if I wanted to talk about the flag I would of joined in the debate on one of many websites that are set up to debate this exact topic.

Sorry Todd, yes it is a 4x4 forum and I couldnt really give a rats either, but i think we cover so much more than 4x4 here, if that were the case, 1/2 the threads on here, general chat and the likes should be shut down because everyone dosnt have the same opinion. Its not a debate its an expression of interest on a certain subject, which i think is in general chat ??, and is up to the individual to participate if he or she wishes to do so.
We cover computers, games (three word game is a good one if you want to moderate something that could be taken as offencive, depending on your views) we cover thoughts, fires, tv, jokes, defence force, drunks (ramblin thread) and many others, which some of could be taken offensively depending on the individuals opinion, but they still roll on.

[Bigrig]

I'm probably not the best mod to have the conversation with - I agree that it shouldn't be closed, but respect the request to do so, and certainly respect the right of the mods to make that ultimate decision. But I also agree 100% that it was travelling well and we all moderate ourselves as such extremely well ... the arguments put forward were fairly articulate, not pointive or insulting, and a very relevant topic ... IF it got out of hand, deletion of individual posts and a closure of the thread 'might' be the appropriate path ... that's up to the discretion of the mods once again. Toddie does a sterling job as a moderator as does Andrew who made a call based on member request - I think the approach is spot on. Lock it down before it gets off its head, review it and if appropriate, open it back up ... Me personally? I think it should be opened back up, but I am but a humble servant to AB (Madam Lash as we refer to him! lmao) so will await his divine input.

Moderation v censorship? In the words of the great Mr Sqiggle ... "boy, that's a tough one Miss Jane"!!




I'd Tap That!!

[wildgu6]

I'm probably not the best mod to have the conversation with - I agree that it shouldn't be closed, but respect the request to do so, and certainly respect the right of the mods to make that ultimate decision. But I also agree 100% that it was travelling well and we all moderate ourselves as such extremely well ... the arguments put forward were fairly articulate, not pointive or insulting, and a very relevant topic ... IF it got out of hand, deletion of individual posts and a closure of the thread 'might' be the appropriate path ... that's up to the discretion of the mods once again. Toddie does a sterling job as a moderator as does Andrew who made a call based on member request - I think the approach is spot on. Lock it down before it gets off its head, review it and if appropriate, open it back up ... Me personally? I think it should be opened back up, but I am but a humble servant to AB (Madam Lash as we refer to him! lmao) so will await his divine input.

Moderation v censorship? In the words of the great Mr Sqiggle ... "boy, that's a tough one Miss Jane"!!




I'd Tap That!!

Well said Scotty, and maybe this thread should be locked as well, till all cool off just a little.. Its a great place lets not turn it into the other places that no one wants to frequent any more...

[Clunk]

Fixed that little glitch



Sorry Todd, yes it is a 4x4 forum and I couldnt really give a rats either, but i think we cover so much more than 4x4 here, if that were the case, 1/2 the threads on here, general chat and the likes should be shut down because everyone dosnt have the same opinion. Its not a debate its an expression of interest on a certain subject, which i think is in general chat ??, and is up to the individual to participate if he or she wishes to do so.
We cover computers, games (three word game is a good one if you want to moderate something that could be taken as offencive, depending on your views) we cover thoughts, fires, tv, jokes, defence force, drunks (ramblin thread) and many others, which some of could be taken offensively depending on the individuals opinion, but they still roll on.

Oh you do so love to back track!!!!! But I guess that happens a lot when you own a GU!!!!!!!!! Bwahahahahaha......


Ooops I think I did a little wee :D:D

Don't stroke it, TAP it!!!!.....

[MC97GQ]

Scotty,

I agree whole heartedly, with everything you said and yes Todd does a great job but I thought his comments were out of line, that was not a criticism of his job as a moderator.

I still hope that sometime if I ever get to meet the man we will sit down and have a beer/rum or ten and laugh about this stupidity. As long as he's buying.

As I said mate I love this forum, but I think we can have adult debates around the 21st century campfire without it getting personal or nasty.

Mark

[the evil twin]

I reckon it was 100% the right decision to close the Flag thread and indeed one or two others recently.

It is an incredibly emotive subject and many forumites cannot know which posters do and do not personally know another nor their individual circumstances.

Humour, inflection, body language and tone are all lost on a Forum and can lead to some serious misinterpretations

I also believe the Mods are the umpires who set the morality and ethics of any Forum and by being a member on here I am happy to abide totally by their decisions whether I start, contribute, or ask for a thread to be closed it is IMHO their call and no consultation required.

[Clunk]

Well said Scotty, and maybe this thread should be locked as well, till all cool off just a little.. Its a great place lets not turn it into the other places that no one wants to frequent any more...

No don't, it's becoming what the night shift used to be like before everyone started being nice to each other lol

Don't stroke it, TAP it!!!!.....

[Bigrig]

No don't, it's becoming what the night shift used to be like before everyone started being nice to each other lol

Don't stroke it, TAP it!!!!.....

Hahahaha ... how true is that??!!! lmao


I'd Tap That!!

[Clunk]

Jeez I'm bored, I need someone to berate lmfao :D:D:D:D


Might go back and read the n/s and give meself a giggle
Don't stroke it, TAP it!!!!.....

[wildgu6]

No don't, it's becoming what the night shift used to be like before everyone started being nice to each other lol

Don't stroke it, TAP it!!!!.....

Then maybe it should continue over there hahaha,
just ask the miss's on her thoughts lol.
She's said who gives a F what the flag is, it's the country we fight for not the flag. If it gets changed we really don't have a say and we just go along with it


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[DX grunt]

Jeez I'm bored, I need someone to berate lmfao :D:D:D:D


Might go back and read the n/s and give meself a giggle
Don't stroke it, TAP it!!!!.....

Get back on the home forum. I've responded to your request about the aerials.

[Clunk]

Then maybe it should continue over there hahaha,
just ask the miss's on her thoughts lol.
She's said who gives a F what the flag is, it's the country we fight for not the flag. If it gets changed we really don't have a say and we just go along with it


TAPPN OUT

That'd why I keep saying to replace it withe the welsh one...... Nice white n green with a fantastically red dragon on it...... Bloody bewwwwtiful


And besides, I haven't had a,good hijacking sessions in ages

Don't stroke it, TAP it!!!!.....

[Clunk]

Get back on the home forum. I've responded to your request about the aerials.

Ok boss... Sorry I didn't realise you had finished your knitting ;)

Don't stroke it, TAP it!!!!.....

[wildgu6]

She also re enforced what Dhuckys miss's said but didn't want to add fuel to the fire. Welsh Weigen what about a wombat, don't really care. I live here and enjoy it


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[MC97GQ]

This has gotten out of hand, it's time for bed you recalcitrant reprobates,

Good night all.

Mark

[Clunk]

This has gotten out of hand, it's time for bed you recalcitrant reprobates,

Good night all.

Mark

Chicken !!!!! Lol

Don't stroke it, TAP it!!!!.....

[Woof]

It is Australia Day tomorrow, so how about that we put all of this behind us and enjoy OUR DAY.......have a ripper everyone

[macca86]

Thread closed.
Haha happy Australia day guys may everyone have a great day filled with family friends beers sunshine and lollipops except us here in Brisbane and the rest of qld may we not be flushed down the toilet and end in nsw or worse still swept out to sea to NZ bro.

[threedogs]

went to bed way too early last night, but up bright and early, Happy Australia day too all
TD

[GUtsy ute]

Happy Australia Day, Everyone.

http://i994.photobucket.com/albums/af61/GUtsyute/australia_zps16a99646.gif

Surprised to see the Flag thread closed, but respect the mods decision to do so.
IMHO. As long as the posts are not getting personal, political or religious, let the discussions continue.

[93patrol]

I am glad you closed the flag thread IMO it is a load of crap it's fail book trying to manipulate people into getting angry. Just look at the other crap that comes up on there like changing Australia Day to citizen day. Bullship. The government can't change ANY of these things with out first informing the public and then holding a referendum this is one if the reason s I got rid of Facebook because of the dribble.




On a happier note happy Australia Day everyone


Just tap it in just tappy tappy tappy

[MEGOMONSTER]

I thought in this country we were free to say what ever we like, with out being suppressed by those who think other wise.

[growler2058]

I thought in this country we were free to say what ever we like, with out being suppressed by those who think other wise.

Correct! However this is a forum that has some rules we like to follow ;)

[MEGOMONSTER]

IMO, if a post is inappropriate to your rules then remove the post not the thread.

[growler2058]

IMO, if a post is inappropriate to your rules then remove the post not the thread.

Not MY rules.... The forum rules . The thread has been reopened so go ya hardest

[MEGOMONSTER]

Not having a go at you or forum or the flag post. Just feeling uptight need a release.

[Clunk]

Not having a go at you or forum or the flag post. Just feeling uptight need a release.

Have a go at one handed skiing, I find it helps to relieve the pressure

To tap, or not to tap: Well it's obviously tap because this is the signature hey!!!!!! Duh

[growler2058]

Not having a go at you or forum or the flag post. Just feeling uptight need a release.

Hahahahaha no dramas here man love a friendly debate as much as the next bloke. I only closed it last night as a few people pm and asked. Majority woulda kept it open so when the dust settled I opened it up again
Cheers mate

[MEGOMONSTER]

Have a go at one handed skiing, I find it helps to relieve the pressure



Not sure how one handed skiing would help. 25020