My apologies for yet another swivel hub thread

[Winnie]

Sorry guys I have read through a lot of previous threads on this topic but there is too much information spread over too many threads and I just got too confused. I need to overhaul my swivel hubs, left side is leaking, what I'm looking for is what kit to get. Tossing up between three.

http://www.autopartsspecialists.com.au/cart/products/Nissan-Patrol-Y60-GQ-Swivel-Hub-and-Quality-Japanese-Bearing-Kit.html

http://store.onlineautoparts.com.au/Items/shwb13?&caSKU=shwb13&caTitle=Nissan%20Patrol%20GQ%20GR%20Y60%20Swivel%2 0Hub%20Kit%20with%20Wheel%20Bearings%20King%20Pin% 20Knuckle%20Seal

http://www.roadrunneroffroad.com.au/Swivel-Hub-Kit-Nissan--GQ-Y60--DA-Maverick.html

I want to do the bearings as well, which the roadrunner kit does not include. They are all roughly the same price but the Roadrunner kit looks to have more seals? Which way am I best going?

Sorry again for starting another thread on this subject.

[taslucas]

Hey Winnie, I used the kit from onlineautoparts (the middle link). It was good quality, everything i needed and postage was fast.


EDIT: Silver found the link for me. R.I.P.

[Winnie]

Was yours leaking before you put the kit in?

[taslucas]

yep, heres a pic

[Winnie]

Beauty, I'll order it tomorrow. Cheers bud

[taslucas]

The only bit you dont get is the little plastic covered washer thing (you'll know the one) but apparently you cant get them anywhere except from nissan. Anyway if you're careful you can re-use them or if you're my brother you can crack the sh!ts trying to get the second one back in and throw it down your driveway LMAO. He reckons they are not %100 necessary......... lol

[MudRunnerTD]

The only bit you dont get is the little plastic covered washer thing (you'll know the one) but apparently you cant get them anywhere except from nissan. Anyway if you're careful you can re-use them or if you're my brother you can crack the sh!ts trying to get the second one back in and throw it down your driveway LMAO. He reckons they are not %100 necessary......... lol

Do you mean the oil seal in the bottom of the king pin bearing seats? Yeah tap them out if you can, and reuse them. An 80- series has the same front end (But weaker ;) ) and does not even use those caps, reuse them if you can but dont be too worried if you cant. Read up as you say there is heaps written about getting it done.

If in doubt though, yell out ;)

[nissannewby]

If it kits come with kingpin bearings the aftermarket ones have a seal built into them so if you damage that seal its all good.

[Robo]

Get the nissan manual and follow the directions.
Links on this site for manuals
Then its all directly in front of you and your not turning to a computer for help.

But that said you do need to look for tips like---.
Be very careful reinserting axle not to damage new oil seal.
and looking at your pic this is the seal that's leaking all the diff oil you can see.
cheers

[taslucas]

Do you mean the oil seal in the bottom of the king pin bearing seats? Yeah tap them out if you can, and reuse them. An 80- series has the same front end (But weaker ;) ) and does not even use those caps, reuse them if you can but dont be too worried if you cant. Read up as you say there is heaps written about getting it done.

If in doubt though, yell out ;)

Sweet, i was a bit concerned when when my bro didnt put them back in but he assured me that they werent %100 necessary. (he's a mechanic after all BUT drives a troopy lol)


If it kits come with kingpin bearings the aftermarket ones have a seal built into them so if you damage that seal its all good.

Thats good to know:)


Get the nissan manual and follow the directions.
Links on this site for manuals
Then its all directly in front of you and your not turning to a computer for help.

But that said you do need to look for tips like---.
Be very careful reinserting axle not to damage new oil seal.
and looking at your pic this is the seal that's leaking all the diff oil you can see.
cheers

thats a pic of mine when it was leaking, i posted for winnie..

[Bloodyaussie]

Do you have a seal driver kit?? Mudrunner put me on to one that is brilliant for the dollars!!!

When do you plan on doing this??

[Robo]

Originally Posted by Robo
Get the nissan manual and follow the directions.
Links on this site for manuals
Then its all directly in front of you and your not turning to a computer for help.

But that said you do need to look for tips like---.
Be very careful reinserting axle not to damage new oil seal.
and looking at your pic this is the seal that's leaking all the diff oil you can see.
cheers
thats a pic of mine when it was leaking, i posted for winnie.

Gee wizz ya gotta be on your toes,lol, who posted what.
not to worry. my bad.

Still, need to be careful with assembly.

[Winnie]

Do the king pin bearings have to be pressed on and off?

[Bloodyaussie]

No mate, it helps to have the driver kit though but if you have the right sockets you could use them to install...

[growler2058]

Angle grinder and cold chisel

[Bloodyaussie]

Angle grinder and cold chisel
Yeah.............!!!!

[growler2058]

Bloody oath worked for me, but wear safety glasses the bearing centre is hi-tensile and shatters at a great rate of knots!!!!

[growler2058]

Here poo this is how i did mine @#$& of a job but i got there http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?3302-Wear-your-PPE

[Winnie]

By the sounds of things I'd be better off getting them pressed off and on?

[growler2058]

Nah have a bloody GO!!!!!!!!!!
Hold em in a vice and use a brass drift to bash em out even.
When i did the angle grinder trick i cut the race off (bit that holds the rollers. Then cut a good half way through the inner but carefully so not to go through and damage the shaft, then got the cold chisel out and 10 good hits and they were off. Used a socket to put the new ones on, hitting the centre of the bearing not the outer or youll stuff em

[Winnie]

Finally got around to doing this yesterday thanks to the help of two good mates. Took us about 10 hours, had a few dramas but got it all sorted in the end.

BUT THE BLOODY WHINING NOISE IS STILL THERE!!!!!!!!!

So what happens is after I've been driving for a while (everything's all warm) when I slow down, it starts at about 30km/h it is a weird noise, sort of a cross between a screech and a whine?? Can't be wheel bearings as I thought it was as they're now all new, my mechanic apprentice mate reckons it could possibly be the free wheeling hubs, he said to take them off and go for a drive to see if it makes the noise. Is it possible for the free wheeling hubs to make a noise like this? They might not be fully disengaging? They are the standard auto hubs btw.
Would I be safe to unbolt them and drive to work?

[Bloodyaussie]

Stuff those auto locking hubs............ I dont trust them!!!!

[Winnie]

I didn't want to have to replace them until I had to, which could be now!

[MudRunnerTD]

Uni joint in your drive shaft is likely. Your front hubs don't really have moving parts that would make a noise as described. Check and grease your unis and see if there is any difference.

[Winnie]

Is a uni joint the same thing as a CV? If so that was done yesterday and the noise is still there. After doing some googling I found a bloke on the other forum had the same issue and reckons it was his auto hubs. Easy way to check? Am I safe to rely on the circlip and unbolt the hubs when I drive to work tomorrow?

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[MudRunnerTD]

No mate. The unis are in the drive shaft at each end. There is a grease nipple on each of them and they should be greased regularly.

So back of the front pinion out of the diff and other end at the transfer case. On the back there is one at the rear pinion and the other behind the hand brake drum.

Fairly likely your problem if you've never greased them

[Winnie]

Okay thanks for that advice, I'll do that tomorrow arvo

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[Winnie]

Just had a look on YouTube as to what squeaky u joints sound like and my noise is nothing like that, it's not as high pitched but louder and sort of more constant, doesn't sound like it's turning like the unis do? Hard to explain ill try get a recording tomorrow

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[taslucas]

Brakes? Could it be a sticky slider on the calipers?

Tap, crackle, pop

[Winnie]

Definitely not brakes, have checked over them several times when I've had them off

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[Sir Roofy]

brakes? Could it be a sticky slider on the calipers?

Tap, crackle, pop

nah when packing the hubs hes accidently got a bottle top in there
lmao

[Winnie]

Just had a look inside the locking hubs and they look absolutely rooted. Can see it did have a spline on it but very worn down. Don't know if this is unusual for auto hubs.

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[taslucas]

nah when packing the hubs hes accidently got a bottle top in there
lmao

Haha yeah or a vb can stuck behind the caliper

Tap, crackle, pop

[Bloodyaussie]

Did you take a pic to show us?????

[taslucas]

Maybe try locking and unlocking with a socket (or wheel wrench) to make sure it's disengaging properly?

Tap, crackle, pop

[Winnie]

Yeah tried that Lucas. I'll take a photo of it this arvo

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[taslucas]

Yeah tried that Lucas. I'll take a photo of it this arvo

DIAL-A-TAP

the vb can or the locking/unlocking????

lmao

[Winnie]

Definitely not the hubs, think MR might be on the money. Here's a recording of it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_w5y4FgJVc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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[BigRAWesty]

Diffs got enough oil in them?
Have you tried a different set of tyres..


Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[taslucas]

Diffs got enough oil in them?
Have you tried a different set of tyres..


Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

He's had those wheels and tyres for a while with no noise. Only the rear diff moving in the vid.
I reckon Mudrunner is on the money

Tap, crackle, pop

[Sir Roofy]

when slowing down there was a clack clack ,tailshaft or jackshaft,the small one on the right

[Winnie]

Diffs got enough oil in them?
Have you tried a different set of tyres..


Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

Yep plenty of diff oil and yes does it with both of my tyres on. I hope MR's right, relatively easy fix

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[Winnie]

Is he jack shaft the one that goes to the front diff?

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[Sir Roofy]

thats the one mate,when did you last check
the transferbox for oil ??

[Rustyboner81]

i used second kit in your list too. still to do kingpin bearings but the rest is all done

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[Winnie]

Took the drive shaft out and the unis felt notchy? Pumped some grease into them and gonna go for a test drive now

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[Winnie]

Aaaand no good, noise is still there. Arrgghhhhhh this is doing my head in!!

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[BigRAWesty]

If uni was notchy its stuffed.. no amount of grease will fix stuffed bearing..
Change it out..

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[Winnie]

Okay so can't rule that out? I showed my mechanic the noise and he said he's never heard anything like it

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[Sir Roofy]

okay so can't rule that out? I showed my mechanic the noise and he said he's never heard anything like it

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so winnie have you sorted it out yet

[Winnie]

Nope handing it over to the mechanic first thing tomorrow, this is beyond me it's doing my head in!

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[Bloodyaussie]

Do you need a hug???

[Winnie]

Not if it's from you! Lmao

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[Bloodyaussie]

Not if it's from you! Lmao

DIAL-A-TAP

Poo to you mate... I have to do my other hub tomorrow and cant be stuffed!!!!

Did you hand yours over to the mechanic..???

[Winnie]

Yeah he looked at it and reckons it's something in the rear left wheel? Went ove the top of my head but he's gonna fix it on monday

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[Bloodyaussie]

Mate that is one of those things... find yourself looking in the wrong direction.

In my racing days setting up a bike many times problems were thought to be in the front when it was in the rear end... or vice versa!!!!!

Hopefully it will be sorted as it can be frustrating..

[Winnie]

He said it's not doing any damage to anything other than your ears. My swivel hubs needed doing anyway as they were leaking but was hoping it would fix this too.

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[Winnie]

Okay so the mechanic replaced the rear left wheel bearing and seals, NOISE IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was the bearing rubbing on the outer dust seal

[MEGOMONSTER]

Apology accepted. Case closed. LOL

[taslucas]

Good to hear winnie:)

This is a good example of how we cant just put everything into seperate "FAQ" threads. Every new question is a journey and you never know where it will end up. Its great to read along as threads progress and learn from someone elses dramas, and then we all grow wiser together:)

[Winnie]

Plus we have a video of some freaky squeaky

[taslucas]

Plus we have a video of some freaky squeaky

ooohhh yeah forgot about the sneaky freaky squeaky:)

[Winnie]

Sneaky? Are we watching the same video? It was quite obnoxious hahahaha

[taslucas]

it was sneakily hiding round back lol

[Rustyboner81]

Good to hear winnie:)

This is a good example of how we cant just put everything into seperate "FAQ" threads. Every new question is a journey and you never know where it will end up. Its great to read along as threads progress and learn from someone elses dramas, and then we all grow wiser together:)

:thumbup:
so true, no two rigs are the same