Overheating 2010 GU Patrol

[Goat]

I have a 2010 GU manual 3.0 litre Patrol cab chassis turbo, fitted with a tray and now carrying a canopy. Purchased new in 2010. It has done 70,000 kms and still under warranty. At 35,000 kms, the turbo failed and was replaced under warranty. I have driving lights installed, no winch and have had no problems with the unit.
A couple of weeks ago, I went to tow a trailer load (total weight about 2 tons) and the engine overheated going up a hill. Waited until it cooled, offloaded the trailer load and came home. Took it to the local Nissan dealer (the next day - it didn't overheat during the 60 km journey) and their diagnosis was a new viscous coupling on the fan. Installed at the end of the week and they pronounced it fixed. Came home, loaded up the trailer again, and voila! She overheats again. Road service picked up the vehicle and took it back to the dealer. They "said" they replaced the thermostat and that the Patrol was "fixed". Drove home and it overheats going up a hill (no load.
Took it back to the dealer. They said they couldn't replicate the problem in the workshop. They said they have flushed the block and the radiator, replaced the thermostat again, but when they take the vehicle for a test drive, it boils again. And I do mean boil - smoke, steam, the whole bit.
Nissan Australia now want to remove the driving lights "to bring the vehicle back to standard and to aid airflow". The lights have been on it since a week after I bought it in April 2010.
I think there is something more wrong with it than the radiator and the airflow.
Anyone got any ideas????

[threedogs]

Driving lights will restrict air flow, but not as to bring your 4x4 to the boil. Are you blowing heaps of black smoke??
Maybe your CAT is blocked give it a few taps with a hammer , Thermo fan working???

[Goat]

No, it doesn't blow any smoke at all. Its a diesel, by the way! Its still in the hands of the mechanics at the Nissan dealership. I assume the thermo fan is working (they're the mechanics!!)

[happygu]

It won't be the driving lights, as then every Patrol in Australia would overheat......

Do you have a chip on it?

Mic

[Goat]

No, aside from driving lights and a nice tray set-up, she's factory standard.

[threedogs]

Water in oil?? If it boils at 100Ks you have a big problem as you don't need any sort of fan at that speed.
Collapsed hose ?Only heard of the petrols needing bigger radiators for towing duties, Must be one one the sensors is playing up????
Did it show up any faults or errors????

[MudRunnerTD]

That is a joke right? Nissan fitted driving lights to 80% of new patrols out of the showroom as a free upgrade. Not A Chance! !

There is something way bigger wrong with your car. Unfortunately it's in the hands of idiots who want to find blame in you, the customer, so they don't own your trouble. They own your trouble mate! Make them work harder to solve the problem.

Ask for a compression test and check your MAF to start and don't let go of your bone mate! Thy own it!

[Goat]

Threedogs, I'm not sure what's going on with it. No water in the oil, apparently. The "mechanics" at the dealership say they've tried everything (I assume they've tested the sensors). They say they've flushed the radiator and got a bit of gunk out of the head, but they "say" they've tested the head, and when I suggested the turbo or a cracked head, they poopaahed that idea.
This has been going on for a while (going into the 3rd week tomorrow), and frankly, I'm getting a bit jack of the tippytoing around. I think I'm possibly looking at a blown gasket, or worse, but then I'm no mechanic. I just can't understand why this has happened 70,000 kms into the life of the vehicle. It was going fine before then, aside from the failed turbo.
The dealership seems to limit themselves to things that are not going to cost Nissan a lot to fix (remember, its still under warranty).

[Goat]

Thanks, Mudrunner!!! You are a man after my own heart!!!

[MudRunnerTD]

Hey Goat,

On a side note mate I'd really appreciate it if you could jump over to the introduction section and post up an intro thread. We ask all new members to post an intro before asking for advice.

Good luck with your car mate.

Cheers and welcome to the forum.

MR

[Yendor]

Been off road lately? mud or long grass?

Check for blockages between the radiator and condenser.

[Goat]

No worries!! Will do that now!!!

[Goat]

Yendor, I rarely take it off road. She's my work transport (120 kms on asphalt each day), and until I retire in a couple of years, aside from some bush tracks, that's all she'll be doing! Mechanics say there are no blockages anywhere that they can see. Going back to the dealership tomorrow to see what they've worked out.

[nissannewby]

Have they replaced the cap?

[happygu]

That is strange, as no chip - all standard. The cooling system on the 3Litre Patrol is way more than adequate, and I have never had my temperature gauge move off its 'normal - just under half- position' in all the hundreds of thousands of kilometres I have travelled.

I had a mate of my Brother-in-Law whose CRD was doing the same as yours when under load, but he had a chip fitted. At the time I was perplexed by it, as I haven't heard of too many problems with the 3L and overheating, not even with a chip. ( Not like my 4.2 Safari Turbo, where you would see the temperature rise to 3/4 every time you really pushed it - I never liked seeing that at all )

His is all resolved now, but I can't remember the fix and he is up in the Kimberley at the moment. I thought it may have had something to do with the brand of chip he was using, but I could be wrong.

If I can contact him, I will let you know.

Mic

[threedogs]

If it's warranty, demand a car to get you around and get them to fix the bloody thing. Geeeesh Nissan are slack.

[Goat]

Went back to see the dealer this morning. Problem still not resolved. Waiting until this arvo for more info.

[threedogs]

Cooling systems are very basic, radiator ,water pump, thermostat, fan and hoses. Got me stumped

[Steve4wdin]

Ask Mr Nissan to do a compression test as it has over heated a few times, that can`t be good for head or gaskets or valves for that matter. Good luck mate

[Goat]

Threedogs, has them stumped too, apparently. They stuffed up the seal on the thermostat, and now have to replace the seal. The service manager told us that the fans on this model don't work at low speeds. I mean, are you going to be hauling 3 ton at 100ks up a hill??? I think not!

Steve4wdin, he says they have done a compression test, even pulled out the glow plugs, and says there is no damage to the head or components.

What gets me is the insistence by Nissan Australia that the driving lights (2 x Lightforce HID) be removed. I have insect screens on the vehicle as well, but because they are Nissan-manufactured, there is no problem. Wonder if the lights were Nissan-manufactured and installed, would they still be requesting removal???

[threedogs]

ARB used to have insect screens for 4x4 and were not recommended for turbo diesel, these plus driving lights, not sure thats it.
Remove as requested, at least it'll prove them wrong.
did it overheat at hwy speed ???

[Goat]

They are going to replace the seal on the thermostat and ring us. We'll go back into town (60 kms) and pick up the vehicle. If the damn thing overheats on the way home, I'm leaving it on the side of the road. Oh, and driving lights have been removed.

[threedogs]

I'm thinking the thermostat seal blocked the water flow, or at least restricted it.
They are going to say it was driving lights fault. Every 4x4 in Aust bar a couple have lights fitted,
with no over heating issues at all. Really interested now

[Goat]

OK. Have it home. Temp went to about half along on the dash gauge, and climbed to 3/4 going up a steep hill. Have been told to put the same load on it that it had on it when it overheated the first time and take it for a run along the same road. Going to do that now.

[threedogs]

Its getting curiouser and curiouser, god I hope thats right

[MudRunnerTD]

i would have thought the bag screen would be far more restrictive than the lights!!!! it will be blocking at least 50% of the air flow i bet!! I would have pulled that off before i pulled the lights off.

When it is all done and dusted ask them for a current compression test with a print out of the result for your files. Also be interested in a Dyno run print out when your done for the file too. If it craps itself in 3 years at least you know that it was right before the warranty ran out and you dont kick yourself for not chasing them dow.

Good luck with it mate.

[Winnie]

Reading this thread in disgust. For them to blame your spotties mate that is an insult to you. However no point in getting rowdy with them, I'd do what you did and take them off just to prove them wrong. Wonder what they'll try blame it on next. Maybe the fact that you've adjusted the seat and mirrors from the position they were in out of the factory.

[Goat]

Hi! I'm Goat's Other Half. He has just rung me to say that the Patrol has boiled itself silly going up the same hill as it boiled the first time. This time he said the engine light has come on and won't go off. He has rung the service manager at the dealership and they are arranging for a tilt tray to come and get him. They said for him to try to get home if he can as he is about 12 kms away. He said to tell you that the lights are off.

[MEGOMONSTER]

Hope everything's alright.

[Winnie]

He said to tell you that the lights are off.

HA! Overheating like that all the time can not be good for the engine.

[threedogs]

Is that half a goat?? lol anyway doesn't sound good. trying to get my head around the system. I keep coming up with a blockage some where.
Hope Goat gets home ok. keep us up-dated please

[happygu]

As this is an odd problem, to help yourselves and the dealer I would be removing the insect screen as well. I know that I was originally told not to put a screen across the front of the grill too.


Mic

[threedogs]

Anyway of getting in touch with the previous owner to get some history, books can be fudged

[Goat]

Home! Engine light still on. Guess it just means that there is a "code" happening somewhere. Unfortunately the engine didn't blow, but the needle went as far across the gauge as it could go, steam and coolant poured out of the overflow tank. Coming in the morning with the tilt tray to pick up the vehicle. The insect screens have been on since the locust plague in 2010. Never had a problem. We've had it since new so no fudging on the service history. Sad that it was a tad late to ring Nissan Australia. Someone in customer service will cop a mouthful in the morning.

[threedogs]

Do a fair bit of reading here one thing keeps popping up. just throwing this out there. check or re do all the earth straps for engine, chassis and dash, it may be causing a sensor to throw out an incorrect reading causing a fault. thats all I've got. Disconnect your battery for an hour to

[Winnie]

How would that explain the overheating though?
I'm not saying it wouldn't, genuinely don't understand how because I'm a mechanical gimp lmao

[Steve4wdin]

Mr Goat, I would definately now be asking for new compresion test and watch them do it, and ask for a print out of results.Also presure test the radiator it could be the radiator cap. NO engine likes that sort of abuse. It is only the beginnig of trouble now. Good luck don`t let them try putting any thing over you. There is always the mta. ( Motor traders association) They have helped me in the past.

[threedogs]

Krisstoffa if it has a faulty earth, its like touching the battery terminal with a wire, sparking and farting with no constant power, but talking earth, sort of like yes its on ,no its not, yes it is,.
until the earth is fixed properly you'll never get a correct reading,or power going to sensor

[megatexture]

Tell Nissan to get a mechanic to look at the car not a first year apprentice it shouldn’t take this long to work out a overheating issue... they are seriously a bunch of idiots. have they told you what they have done to fix the issue or are they being very vague.
i agree to get a courtesy car while they sort it out

[Goat]

Just thought you might like to see what the temp gauge ended up on.
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n280/maucat_01/DSCN0130.jpg

And the engine bay during the overheating session this arvo:
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n280/maucat_01/DSCN0132.jpg

[Goat]

Truck has been taken back to the dealer by tilt tray. Have spoken to Nissan Australia, and they said they have to wait until the dealer gets the truck back and attempt yet another diagnosis.

[threedogs]

As I said on your intro, leave it with them, tell them NOT to ring until FIXED,
Get a loaner off them, you do have rights as a customer.
Not this bandaid BS we here they are doing.
Should make Mr NISSAN an Honourary Member

[Goat]

Getting jack of this stuffing around, threedogs. Told the service manager last night that I'm not having it back until its fixed. And if they come back and tell me that its the head, or the intercooler, or anything else I've been suggesting, they will get a one-fingered salute.

[Goat]

The continuing saga.
Phone call from Nissan Australia to say that they have requested the dealer do the following:
1. Check for a blown head gasket. (I would have thought that would have been one of the first things done.)
2. Remove glow plugs and check for coolant burn. (Service manager says that has been done before.)
3. Remove radiator, check for blockages and back flush. (The radiator must have been back-flushed half a dozen times now.)
4. Check hoses and thermostat. (How bloody basic can you get!! This is the 3rd thermostat they've had in it!)
5. Check front and rear axle weights for towing capacity. (Here we go! Gonna try to blame the poor bloody owner for overloading!)
Honestly, I don't think the techs at Nissan Australia have any idea.
No joy on the loan vehicle. Dealer doesn't have one available, and Nissan Australia says warranty doesn't cover same. I told her that I thought that was pretty damn weak, considering I'd paid cash for the vehicle, and had had no use of it for nearly 3 weeks now. She said she appreciated where we were coming from, but it wouldn't be part of the warranty work. I said to stuff the warranty thing, what about maintaining good customer relations and customer satisfaction? She said they would "be in touch about the repairs needed".:furious: Not happy, Jan.

[threedogs]

They have your money, not interested in any back up work, hear this all the time,
Chin up though, things could be worse. What area are you in.????

[Goat]

Central Tablelands of NSW.

[Maxhead]

Feel your pain mate! Stick it up them and demand a loan vehicle for being stuffed around


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[MEGOMONSTER]

I know this will probably against everything your feeling right now but being polite and civilized may get you what you need. Only a thought.

[Goat]

Mego, it is very difficult to be polite and civilised to a mob of idiots. I'm not blaming the dealership service manager - he has tried to be helpful, but its Nissan Australia (I assume the customer service mob based in Melbourne) who are so condescending and quick to lay blame on anything but their vehicle. I have been VERY nice to the dealership - even went through the appropriate parts of the manual with the service manager yesterday. The problem is that its under warranty, so Nissan Australia are looking for the cheapest "fix" possible, and seem hell bent on making it MY problem, thereby voiding the warranty. "We'll ring you back" is their catchcry, but they never do. I'm about as popular as cat sh*t on a blanket with the missus. We were going on our first holiday in 23 years this week. Won't happen now.

[MEGOMONSTER]

Give em hell then, we all stand behind you, united as one.

[threedogs]

well said you horse pusher you, was reading somewhere of a phone number of a loverly lady at Nissan head office, the thread was to do with the bubbling dash's.
might be worth looking for it ,

And to be honest yelling and screaming never got anyone anywhere.

We should start a VENT THE SPLEEN thread, lol

[Maxhead]

I think it might be time to take it further mate. I would ring the relevant authorities and get them to make a call on your behalf and watch their(Nissans) tune change in no time .

Lucky it's not me or I'd be locked up by now...hahahah


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[MEGOMONSTER]

I think it might be time to take it further mate. I would ring the relevant authorities and get them to make a call on your behalf and watch their(Nissans) tune change in no time .

Lucky it's not me or I'd be locked up by now...hahahah


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X2 on the last comment.

[Goat]

Have the 1800 035035 number on speed dial by now. Sick of ringing them.

Have decided to give them until tomorrow, and then it will be the MTA and Fair Trading.

[Steve4wdin]

Having those photoes is a very valuable asset to you. By keeping records ie this post of what has been done and when is all in your favour.Print it all out or hand write into a diary with photoes, Tell your dearlership / Dealer principle your not satisfied with the results and service, and you intend on approaching the "mta" for advise. Show them your evidence, and see there reaction.That is what I did with Honda AU over a bike I bought that had problems. Amazing the responce. But be prepared to go through with it.You must keep your cool and dignity Again, good luck and keep us posted
Steve

[happygu]

Go on your holiday - relax and unwind as it is only a car after all and there are more important things in life, tell them they have the car for two less days than your actual holiday period to make sure it actually is ready for when you get back, and then ring them a few times during to check progress, and to make sure they don't leave it to the last minute and that they have fixed it.

If you were planning on taking the car to get to your holiday destination, show them the proof and nicely request a replacement vehicle.

[Goat]

Nothing new today. No-one rang and we didn't ring them either. If there isn't a big move tomorrow, MTA and Fair Trading are in our sights.

Happygtu, we were planning to go camping with the truck. It has a canopy on it and we can attach a tent to the side. Also has a small solar power panel on the top for 12 volt power. So it was essential that we have this particular vehicle.

[MEGOMONSTER]

I'll be glad to help you with my power of persuasion.
19563

[Goat]

:jawdrop: Is he for real, Mego???

[happygu]

And the engine bay during the overheating session this arvo:
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That is really a sad sight, and not anything I would like to see with mine.

Lets hope for a really good outcome....soon

Mic

[happygu]

Sorry to hear about the camping thing.....I know what it is like when you have all your gear setup you want to use it.....

Mic

[megatexture]

id be hitting them up for a full rebuild as all this overheating will be cooking/warping and just genraly F#%in up your motor and its reliability because of it is out the window

[Goat]

Nothing from either the dealer or Nissan Australia to 12 noon today so rang both. Service manager at dealership not answering phone. Contact person at Nissan Australia not contactable but will "ring you back". Have now contacted MTA and Fair Trading. Waiting for a call from both.

Can only assume that the "mechanics" have found nothing (again), or they have found something dramatic that they had poopaahed before. This saga is becoming long enough to rival "Peyton Place" and "Blue Hills".

[Goat]

We've given up. The missus rang Melbourne as there had been no contact from Nissan's so-called customer service, and got onto the woman named "Kath" who I assume is the Customer Service Manager. She apparently said that the techs could see evidence of coolant burn on the glow-plugs (from the picture sent by the dealer), and that they wanted a weighbridge ticket showing the weight of the front and rear axles on the Patrol. They also wanted the service manager to travel with me towing the load and videoing the dashboard gauges. The missus hurled the phone at the wall at this point and burst into tears. I spoke to the woman on the other end who was quite "nice" but unbending. She mentioned that, although the Patrol had a rated towing capacity of 3.2 tons, there was something about a "drawbar download" or similar expression of 100kgs??? No-one I have spoken to since knows anything about this.
We have lodged complaints with Fair Trading and the MTA, and when they come back to us, I shall tell them what happened and why we have taken this path.
I have had it up to here. Even when the axle weights come back fine (as we know they will), we can see that they will find something else to prevent them from owning the problem. So, the dealer is bringing the vehicle back this afternoon, I will remove the canopy and other "extras" I have installed (HIDs, push and pull, etc) and get rid of it.
Just want to thank you all for your support, but we are too old to be trying to cope with this much hassle. I can see why there is so much trouble in getting Nissan to honour their warranty obligations. After owning 5 Nissans over the past 50+ years, this is the last one I will ever purchase.

[Maxhead]

Mate, bloody don't give up! Hopefully you'll get some help from fair trading.

Don't let Nissan screw you on the tow ball download weight. It is 200kg but maximum of 350kg(if gvm is reduced)
See this pic. It's from my barn door on the car
19579


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[threedogs]

X2 with nisshead ,hang in there mate Patrols have one of the better tow ball ratings going around, Chin up to you and the GLW

You have rights as pointed out, follow it up

[Goat]

The dealer has bought the vehicle back and we've had time to calm down. The missus is no longer referring to the woman at Nissan Australia in terms of four letter words. Have decided to keep the Patrol and, if the motor blows up (or should that be "when" the motor blows up), I will put a V8 diesel in it. After lots of talk last night, we decided that the Patrol was too good to be rid of (great tray and storage, the canopy fits well, etc). In the meantime, I've taken the canopy off, put the driving lights back on and am waiting with baited breath for the letter the now only slightly-ruffled missus is putting together to go to Nissan Australia and Fair Trading, as well as anyone else she can think of who may be remotely interested. A friend has a radiator repair business, and I may get him to rod the radiator in the meantime.

I would be interested if anyone else has put a V8 into a 2010 GU Patrol, where they sourced the motor etc. Have been looking at Marks 4x4 Conversions, and the prospect looks promising.

[MC97GQ]

Mr Goat,

I cannot believe this thread, mate it would do my head in.

The downforce weight on a towball is to do with braking and steering of the tow vehicle and absolutely nothing to do with over heating. Mate I know it's frustrating but keep on fighting, DO NOT LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT.

Anyway mate good luck with it, and judging by the cold front coming through here you might be glad you're not going camping this week end

[threedogs]

Yo Goat Brunswick Diesel in Perth WA do complete conversions, pricey but looks factory.
No harm in getting some prices together, we'll meet up on the track one day hopefully.
Duramax are an other option as is the tojo 6 td. thread is in archives I think.
Remember you are not alone, PM anyone, any time.

[MudRunnerTD]

Go to Nissan Australia's FaceBook page and start posting on the hour every hour your plight and see how much notice they take of you then.

[Goat]

Thanks, threedogs. Feeling a little more positive today. Son-in-law (mechanic) is coming up on the weekend and is going to have a bit of a squizz at the Patrol. And the radiator repairer friend is happy to do the work on the weekend.

Just a question: when the vehicle overheated on Monday night, the engine light on the dash came on and wouldn't go off. It was still illuminated on the Tuesday morning (temperature overnight was around 2 or 3 degrees) when the tilt tray picked up the Patrol, but when I asked the service manager what code showed up when they checked, he said that the engine light wasn't on when they received the vehicle, and no code showed. He said that it just got so hot that the engine light came on. Is this possible? I thought the engine light only came on when a sensor was activated.

[Goat]

Thank you, Mudrunner!! I shall pass that one on to the missus!! She'll take a great deal of pleasure in doing that!!!

[threedogs]

Forget the Patrol, enjoy the weekend with your family, Things may be better next week.
Happy fathers day Goat, extra sqeeze for your GLW

[nomadTech87]

Bugger me drunk! Yep I'll be interested to see what fair trading have to say here. Funnily enough I've had two dealings with Nissan: One where an aftermarket boost controller I didn't know was under my dash failed and they located & fixed it for basically pocket change. The second occasion, one of the factory alloys with a known manufacturing defect unwound 4 wheel nuts, then sheared off the hub on a bend comin' through Mt. Victoria(right mess). On that occasion their response was basically: tell someone who cares. Sometimes I think they must flip a coin when you walk in...

[Ronin]

Mate, send Nissan the link to this thread to let them know the Patrol community is watching their response very closely.

[happygu]

Hey Goat, I hope you are making progress....

Does it always run hotter than normal, or does it seem to run normal until loaded?
Each car is a little different, but my Patrols always run just under half on the gauge, so that is what I call normal.

This seems like a really strange problem, as you have an engine that produces heat, a radiator to shed heat, a thermostat to control the amount of heat being shed, and a water pump to make it go around so it all works like it should. It is fairly simple.....

Is there any milkyness under the oil cap on the motor ?
When you first fire it up and take the radiator cap off whilst it is still relatively cold is it pumping out coolant?
Is it out of coolant in the top tank once it has cooled down?
Is the oil still a normal colour and consistency?

I know that Nissan have looked at all that, but it seems to be pointing to something quite sinister, such as a cracked head or cylinder liner, or possibly just a head gasket.

You did mention earlier on that the Turbo was changed - did the overheating start after that?


The other cheap thing to do is to change the radiator cap, as it might have gone unserviceable, and you would kick yourself if that is all it was.

If the water pump is OK, the thermostat is OK, the radiator is not blocked either internally or externally through the fins/core, then it seems like the motor is the culprit, as this is the heat source.

Mic

[Goat]

I've had the mechanic son-in-law have a look. We towed the trailer up the hill and it overheated again. He seems to think the intercooler is overheating, so I am going to install a fan under the intercooler and another fan in front of the air con radiator. We will also have the original air con radiator connected up so that it will run when the engine starts to overly heat up.

Wandering around the 'net, I have found a couple of posts on forums where it has been suggested that the scoop on the bonnet of the Patrol is a trifle inadequate for airflow through the intercooler, especially if you have a perspex deflector on the front of the vehicle, which I have.

It only seems to happen when the vehicle is travelling slowly and working, as it does when you tow something uphill. Travelling on level ground, even with a load on, does not make the gauge climb above half way, but as soon as it starts to climb, and I have to drop back a gear or two, the temperature starts to go up alarmingly. Steam starts to come out of the overflow container, and the radiator, hoses and intercooler are untouchable.

Funny. Nissan, when asked, ruled out the intercooler. Perhaps its not that, but I'll give this a try and see how it goes.

[happygu]

Sorry to be pessimistic, but i have had a perspex bonnet protector on my Patrols for the last 15 years - no issues. They wouldn't sell them for Patrols if they are likely to cause problems
Shouldn't be the intercooler itself overheating, as it is only a piece of alloy tubing, and the only source of heat comes from the engine underneath in the form of heat soak. The intercooler fan won't hurt, but I think that if that "fixes" the problem then you are masking another underlying problem.

There are larger bonnet scoops , such as the ARE one, which will force more air through, but again I am not sure if this is the underlying problem, as most people run the original scoops, and the 3 Litre is not known for overheating.

Thinking outside the square, I wonder if it is something to do with your catalytic converter or your muffler. If one of these blocks up, it could be causing low power and high temps. The inards can come adrift and start to break up.

You could try disconnecting your exhaust after the catalytic converter to rule out the rear muffler, and also see if you can hear any rattling noises coming from the cat itself.

Don't rule out the radiator cap also.


Mic

[Drew]

how slow are you going while towing the trailer ?

[threedogs]

Give the intercooler a flush out with kero, make sure its dry before you re install it.
If not getting enough boost temps go up. Also make sure all clamps are tight, all vac hoses are on as well

[happygu]

and what is in the trailer???

Mic

[threedogs]

Yo Happytgu suggested very early to tap the Cat, could be something simple like that but nissan have pulled Goats 4x4 apart plenty of times,
they can't be that BLIND can they.????? Choked up throttle body, butterfly. ALL THESE THINGS WOULD OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHECKED ALREADY< BUT YOU NEVER KNOW

[happygu]

I don't know, but surely it can't be that hard for the experts to fix......

It really depends if they have the apprentice on the job or the tradesman, who has actually seen and solved a few wierd problems over the years.

Although, if the problem is only apparent towing a load, and again towing it up a steep hill, how are the Nissan mechanics going to replicate that......


I know Goat is up in the NSW Tablelands somewhere from his original intro. I wonder if there is someone else with a CRD that can tow the same trailer up the same hill. You would hate it to be something like a dragging wheel bearing on the trailer itself.

Mic

[Goat]

The so-called Nissan mechanics did take a trailer with a 3 ton load out and made the Patrol overheat. That was when the "techs" from Nissan Australia told them to take the driving lights off.

The Patrol is towing a bogie trailer with 1 ton of water. The trailer itself weighs 750 kgs. Should imagine that falls a fair bit short of the 3.2 ton load that Nissan says this model is capable of towing.

And we are between Bathurst and Mudgee. The road is NOT flat (never has been), but we are travelling on sealed roads.

Going to have a closer look at the catalytic converter tomorrow morning. Would have thought that if there was a problem there, it would have been evident all the time, not just when towing a load uphill.

[threedogs]

Give it a shot Goat, I really hope it is only a gummed up cat, then you can drive your now non over heating patrol straight through the showroom LOL Nah not really

[nipagu7]

I've just read thru the thread , sorry to see that you have been put thru the ringer with this . I think that nissan would have checked all the usuall suspects and would have their best mechs on the job as It is obviously bad for publicity if a car keeps being returned for the same problem . The problem may a rare one but not neccesairily difficult to fix . For my 2 cents worth , I think I would check out the air filter , I have seen new air filters that have been fitted still with the plastic wrapper still on them and air intakes that are partially blocked by plastic bags and food wrappers even inside inner guards also air filters that have been clogged up well before their service date .

[happygu]

Goat, If the muffler or cat has only a partial blockage, it may well be the cause.

Mic

[Goat]

Thanks, everyone! The mechanic son-in-law came out with me over the weekend and we managed (with little trouble) to get the Patrol to overheat again. The intercooler and turbo were sizzling. It is only when the Patrol has to work at low speeds, ie going up a hill towing a load. We tapped the cat, but nothing appeared to move/dislodge. The intercooler is as clean as a whistle, as is the radiator (no blockages). Don't quite know what I'm going to do from here on in. Don't want to invalidate the warranty (and we know that Nissan will invalidate it in a heartbeat), but need to get the problem resolved ASAP. Fair Trading have issued a file number, and we will be forwarding a detailed "diary" of the problem, as well as what we want to happen to resolve the issue. I shall keep you posted.

[MEGOMONSTER]

Thanks, everyone! The mechanic son-in-law came out with me over the weekend and we managed (with little trouble) to get the Patrol to overheat again. The intercooler and turbo were sizzling. It is only when the Patrol has to work at low speeds, ie going up a hill towing a load. We tapped the cat, but nothing appeared to move/dislodge. The intercooler is as clean as a whistle, as is the radiator (no blockages). Don't quite know what I'm going to do from here on in. Don't want to invalidate the warranty (and we know that Nissan will invalidate it in a heartbeat), but need to get the problem resolved ASAP. Fair Trading have issued a file number, and we will be forwarding a detailed "diary" of the problem, as well as what we want to happen to resolve the issue. I shall keep you posted.

All this BS is doing my head in and its not even my car, can't imagine how your feeling. Still this engine cooking can't be good.

[nipagu7]

This is really a sorry saga , hope it gets sorted soon . Having bought a new patrol in April , stories like this don't do the nerves any good

[happygu]

Don't worry too much Nipa, as my temperature gauge hasn't ever moved from it's normal position in the 11 years of owning 3 Litre Patrols, and that is with towing heavy loads as well. That is the wierd thing about this - a properly functioning 3 Litre doesn't ever overheat.

Goat's Turbo and Intercooler sizzling......now they normally get warm, but something about this just ain't quite right, and if it isn't the radiator or the exhaust, then it can only be back to the motor itself - possibly something with the replaced turbocharger, CPU or sensor, or worse still a cracked head or.... Nissan's Problem

Mic

[Goat]

Have a feeling we bought a Friday Patrol .........

[Goat]

Go to Nissan Australia's FaceBook page and start posting on the hour every hour your plight and see how much notice they take of you then.

They have blocked the missus from posting on the 4x4 page. She has started on their "Nissan Australia" page. Guess its only a matter of time before they block her from that that one as well.

[threedogs]

Australia the land of freedom of speech as long as you don't talk about mr Nissan.
Mr Nissan could of handled this SO MUCH BETTER, what a great PR opportunity for them
to win back customer confidence again. But no, we all go on saying the same old, same old about nissan
Because IMO they don't give a S&%T about you or me

[MudRunnerTD]

They have blocked the missus from posting on the 4x4 page. She has started on their "Nissan Australia" page. Guess its only a matter of time before they block her from that that one as well.

Give us a look at the spiel your missus is posting on their page and what page she is putting it on. I'd be happy to post a copy on their page too. I wonder what they will do when everyone that reads this thread posts the same complaint quoting you guys. Maybe they will bounce us all??

[Winnie]

I'm in for that, maybe it will get the point across.

Tappa tappa

[threedogs]

I wish you well in this , but feel it will fall on deaf ears.
I really feel for Goat and his GLW for all this crap they are going through. Why not instead invite or give mr Nissan free sponsorship, etc to the forum
similar to the way ARB monitor the forum for feedback. Just have to look at the way customers were treated with the bubbles on their dash.

[Goat]

OK. These are some of the comments she wrote on the Nissan 4x4 page and the Nissan Australia page. Gone now. The only thing that's showing up is her "likes" on other "bad" comments made by others. Guess they will go soon too.

"Our 2010 Patrol turbo diesel cab chassis was bought new in 2010 and now has 70,000 kms on the clock, still under warranty. At 35,000 kms, the turbo failed, and we had to fight with Nissan Australia to get it replaced. Took 3 weeks. Three weeks ago, it started to overheat whilst towing a trailer up a hill on a main road. The answer was to "remove the driving lights". Done. No change. Still overheat
ing.
Next investigation included checking the radiator (pressure tests), changing the fan coupling (took a week), check hoses and thermostat, check for a blown head gasket - all negative (according to the dealer). Done. No change. Still overheating.
The final straw came when Nissan Australia wanted a certified weighbridge docket showing the front and rear axle weights, and then have the service manager ride in the car with my Other Half VIDEOING the dashboard gauges and the road they were travelling on. Told the Customer Service Manager in Melbourne to stuff their ideas where the sun don't shine. Vehicle off the road for 3 weeks and no diagnosis.
An independent mechanic has told us that, with all the episodes of overheating, the engine would now be stuffed. Fair Trading will now handle it.
Nissan just don't want to pay out for warranty claims."

and

"Nissan Australia's "customer service" is a contradiction in terms. They don't have "customer service". They subcontract their "customer service" section out to another company, solely for the purpose of avoiding warranty claims, I'd say."

and

"We are having a hell of a blue with Nissan Australia over their inability to diagnose an overheating problem in a 2 year old Patrol cab chassis. Has taken them 3 weeks and have gotten nowhere. "Take off the driving lights", "flush the block and radiator", "change the thermostat", "you are overloading it"! The crunch came when they wanted the Other Half to drive the car up a hill with the dealer's service manager sitting beside him VIDEOING the dash gauges and the road. How stupid do they think we are!! We had a 1990 Holden Rodeo with more guts than this Patrol. Damn shame we got rid of it."
"

[threedogs]

Sounds fair to me, only slight angry tone about it, need to let Legal people handle it now as sometimes the wording is very important. You certainly don't want this to come back and bite you on the butt.


Yo Goat what area are you from????

[Goat]

Near Bathurst, in NSW. Windy at the moment.......

[threedogs]

You haven't seen wind was like the start of the Wizard of Oz here today.
Anyone local that can tow your trailer to replicate your hill climb??

[Goat]

Don't even have to tow a trailer now, threedogs. It overheats coming up the hill without the trailer. I've done the same trip with the same load with the same trailer before, and the vehicle didn't even look like overheating. Had a Rodeo pull the same load, and didn't bat an eyelid.

[threedogs]

Realise all that, was just thinking videoing similar 4x4 doing the same thing, might be evidence, maybe.

[Goat]

Yeah, not a bad thought. Have a friend with a Landcruiser. Would that do??

[DSzuke]

You haven't seen wind was like the start of the Wizard of Oz here today.
Anyone local that can tow your trailer to replicate your hill climb??


I'm up at Orange with a 2007 CRD if that helps. I've been following your plight with interest and be happy to help if you think it would be beneficial.

[megatexture]

Yeah, not a bad thought. Have a friend with a Landcruiser. Would that do??

use a nissan pulsar ! and get them to explain why it can do it but your patrol can !

[threedogs]

God one Mega like to see them explain that one

[the ferret]

Ha ha, Nissan can block you alright, BUT, whatever is posted on here, will be picked up by Google worm, and anyone searching about Nissan will find it lol.

For example, this is a post from another Forum, I just Googled 2010 4.2 GU overheating, as many would.



15 posts - 9 authors - 16 May 2009
As of today i am the new owner of a 99 model turbo diesel Gu st coil cab ... and the car made it to 450,000kms before his son overheated the engine, ... Weiner: Been here a while: Posts: 210: Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:47 ...

Cheers, the ferret.

[nissannewby]

The problem certainly sounds like it is getting worse I would not drive the vehicle until problem is rectified other wise by the sounds of everything you have stated in this post you are gonna end up with a catastrophic failure. I work on diesel engines day in and day out mate and you have an issue with your engine it doesnt take a rocket scientist to work this out. Your nissan dealer is giving you the run around draggin it out until you either give up or your out of your warranty period.

I work with a bloke who owns a 2010 crd ute and it is constantly loaded with about 1000kg of gear at least and he has done 180k problem free.

I have been watching this also with some interest as its about time nissan came to the party instead of denying the obvious. These things are pumped out in such big productions that you can end up with defects from the get go.

I hope everything works out for you mate, no one would blame you at this stage for going to a different manufacturer. All the best.

[Goat]

Missus has found Twitter. She said Nissan can't delete tweets, but they will probably end up blocking her there as well.

[Maxhead]

What are the fair trading or consumer affair guys saying??? This does not sound right, some fishy happening here mate. I would even spend a couple of hundred bucks and talk to a good lawyer to get his thoughts. Get onto the current affair tv show, they love this stuff!
Feel for ya mate, don't give to . Stick it right up them!!!!!





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[the ferret]

Missus has found Twitter. She said Nissan can't delete tweets, but they will probably end up blocking her there as well.

Just be very careful what you say, even the facts can get you into trouble, this will go world wide and these pr ks have a lot more money than you for Lawyers.

Cheers, the ferret.

[Goat]

She's just saying that Nissan doesn't like honouring warranty claims. Nothing that could be seen as litigious.

Still waiting for someone from Fair Trading to get back to us. In the meantime, a radiator repair mate is going to pull out the radiator on Sunday and rod it out for me. If that doesn't work, well, who knows what comes next .......

[the ferret]

If it's the alloy radiator, you will need a new gasket for the top.
You will also need the special clamps and a pair of multi grips.
Don't mention you had the radiator out!!
Cheers the ferret.

[Winnie]

She's just saying that Nissan doesn't like honouring warranty claims. Nothing that could be seen as litigious.

Still waiting for someone from Fair Trading to get back to us. In the meantime, a radiator repair mate is going to pull out the radiator on Sunday and rod it out for me. If that doesn't work, well, who knows what comes next .......

I'd be wary doing that mate never know they will most likely use it against you.

[threedogs]

Hi Goat as Ive said before ,you need to be very carefull how you word things, just one word in the wrong place and you'll be swinging by the" big fellas"
NO MORE, Just wait and see what Fair Trading come up with, It may not be helping your case

[Goat]

If it's the alloy radiator, you will need a new gasket for the top.
You will also need the special clamps and a pair of multi grips.
Don't mention you had the radiator out!!
Cheers the ferret.

The bloke doing it does radiators as a livelihood. He had a look at it on Tuesday night.

To be quite honest, this whole situation is getting to us. We can't believe the amount of support we've had from you guys here, and equally, can't believe the obstructive attitude of Nissan. We will be happy when its all over.

[Steve4wdin]

Stay patient, keep your cool, if the patrol is over heating all the time now, DON`T drive it at all. Don`t give nissan any excuses. Continue to keep records of events for posible legal reasons. And remember good things come to those who weight. Good luck Mr and Mrs Goat. I think we all feel for you guys.
Steve

[Drew]

Near Bathurst, in NSW. Windy at the moment.......
Windy here too, funny I don't remember eating anything that would cause that :smileyvault-cute-bi

Nah seriously, how do you tell you've got a sports hyundai ? The driver's wearing Nike :harhar:

Chin up Mr & Mrs Goat :).

[happygu]

Goat - any luck so far

[Goat]

Just thought some of you might be interested in having a look at the coring of the radiator today. These pictures show the flow through the radiator before it was cored about an hour ago. Nissan must be feeding their mechanics peanuts if they can't diagnose a blocked radiator........:icon_bonk:

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n280/maucat_01/IMG_20120909_094443.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n280/maucat_01/IMG_20120909_094430.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n280/maucat_01/IMG_20120909_094501.jpg

[the ferret]

Welllllllllll, that's a good sign, maybe that's all it was, send Nissan those pics LOL.
Cheers, the ferret.

[Yendor]

That's about 50% blocked, no wonder it was overheating.

[happygu]

According to a Nissan mechanic....'looks fine to me'........

Disclaimer....No Nissan Mechanics were hurt in this production, and this in no way repesents my Nissan mechanics who seem to be doing a fine job......


All jokes aside, I hope that this is the 'fix' for you, and there is no other damage.

Mic

[happygu]

Hey Mr and Mrs Goat,

Just a couple of quick questions which may help any others in the same boat as it seems odd that your radiator would be that blocked in only 70K.

Why has your radiator blocked up so fast or why do you think it has blocked up so fast?
Do you get all your servicing done by Nissan?
Do you use the recommended coolant or have you just been adding plain water?

Mic

[Goat]

The bloke who cored it said possibly more than 80% blocked. A hell of a lot of gunk came away before these photos were taken. I'll try it tomorrow where it normally overheats and let you know. Wish I was home tomorrow to make sure the missus doesn't eat the "customer service manager" for morning tea ..........

[Maxhead]

Yeah, I'm interested to know why it was so blocked in such a short amount of time.
Who has touched your radiator before.

I had to get mine cleaned after about 5000 ks but loveday mud will do that to ya;)





........... On the move

[Goat]

Have no idea why it blocked up so early. We get it serviced by a certified mechanic who lives close by and can do it on the weekends (fits in with my work schedule, and if the coolant needed topping up (not a regular thing), coolant was used and not water. The coolant had not been totally changed (to our knowledge) until the dealer had it for the 3 week stint to diagnose the overheating issue. The radiator has not been touched before, unless the dealer had it out when they had to replace the turbo at 35,000 kms, and I don't know if removal of the radiator would have been necessary in that instance. Whenever it was serviced (at every 10,000 kms), the mechanic would check the cooling system (as you do), make sure there was fluid running through the water pump and the radiator (as you do), and, if necessary, top up the coolant level with coolant (happened very rarely). We did note that the coolant would need to be changed (as per the Nissan service schedule) at 80,000 kms, and the mechanic told me that he would do this at that service. Nissan changed the coolant a couple of times (so we were told by the service manager) when they were trying to figure out the overheating issue.

But remember, they said coring the radiator was a maintenance thing..............

[threedogs]

WOW, that looks like a great result. dying to find out how Nissan blame this on you and if any compensation is offered???
you may now have a civil suit against Nissan, waiting with baited breathe on this now.
Besides being frustrated as hell you must be happy, if not on the inside a little.

[Maxhead]

Sounds like was done by the book so Nissan is going to have an egg on their face.

Wonder what case you now have against them for cooking your motor dozen times.
New motor??? Hahaha

At least try and get something out of them mate even if it's just the 80k service... Than again, who would trust them doing that!!!

Good luck mate






........... On the move

[Yendor]

If the wrong coolant is used it can have a reaction that can cause blockages.

Check your service manual, I think the coolant should of been replaced at the 40,000Km service.

If it wasn't replaced or it was replaced with non-geniune Nissan coolant you may be in trouble.

It may pay to edit your above post in case Nissan Australia is watching.

[Goat]

If the wrong coolant is used it can have a reaction that can cause blockages.

Check your service manual, I think the coolant should of been replaced at the 40,000Km service.


From the Nissan Periodic Maintenance Schedule (copied straight off their website):
40,000 km
Engine Maintenance (Diesel Engine)

Check and correct engine coolant mixture ratio.

Inspect coolant system

The coolant was due to be "changed" (again according to their published maintenance schedule) at 80,000 kms.

This info is freely available on their website at http://www.nissan.gd/Archive/A_globalnavigation/G_ebrochures/patrol-service-schedule.pdf

[Yendor]

Was the correct coolant used for the top up?

[Goat]

"Nissan Long Life Coolant"? White bottle with grey label?? Has Nissan written on it, and we bought it from the dealer who sold us the vehicle when we had the first service after purchase. Missus was p'd off because it cost heaps more than normal coolant.

[Yendor]

That's good, they will want proof that the correct coolant was used.

[Maxhead]

Yep, wrong coolants mixed together = bad news







........... On the move

[threedogs]

Did you keep a sample of what was actually blocking it?? might be helpfull down the track.
If they say your motor is fine now, get it in writing before you pick up your 4x4.
a motor thats been that hot that often may have other issues now,
just saying beware, get everything in writing, and I mean everything.

[Steve4wdin]

I would trade it in. Sell the now "lemon". Hope that is what is was goat, keep us posted after testing tomorrow.

[Drew]

Well if that doesn't sort it I'll let my mrs treat me like a sex object :)

[threedogs]

who's a lucky boy now, hey!!!!!

[Drew]

It's a burden I'll have to carry :)

[Goat]

Well if that doesn't sort it I'll let my mrs treat me like a sex object :)

This is Mrs Goat: I'll let you know by late this afternoon, Drew, so that you don't miss out on tonight's session.

[threedogs]

hello Mrs Goats, seems things aren't so glum now and there is a little light at the end of the tunnel,,,,, finally or

[Goat]

This is Mrs Goat: we will wait until Goat has "tried it out" this afternoon. The light at the end of the tunnel got a whole lot brighter yesterday. I certainly hope that it wasn't because the light was switched off and replaced with an incendiary device.......

[threedogs]

Hopefully he'll walk through the door with a great big grin on his face, looking forward to goats post.

[MEGOMONSTER]

Let's go GOAT what the verdict, waiting with anticipation of a good outcome.

[Maxhead]

It must be good news. He's still driving





........... On the move

[Drew]

This is Mrs Goat: I'll let you know by late this afternoon, Drew, so that you don't miss out on tonight's session.

Tick Tock Mrs G :)

[Drew]

It must be good news. He's still driving
........... On the move
But if the light has been switched off how will he see ? :)

[threedogs]

Waiting, waiting ,waiting ,,,,,,zzzzzzzzzzzz OH, waiting ,waiting ,waiting

[Drew]

Waiting, waiting ,waiting ,,,,,,zzzzzzzzzzzz OH, waiting ,waiting ,waiting
You're telling me, I'm hanging out ;)

[Goat]

She's a goer!! Really floored it up the hill where she normally comes to 3/4 of the way across the gauge, and the temp never moved off half way. How the hell these so-called mechanics missed a badly blocked radiator is beyond me.

[Goat]

:frown:Sorry, Drew. Looks like you're going to miss out ........

[Winnie]

I cannot believe that, great outcome but far out!

[Drew]

:frown:Sorry, Drew. Looks like you're going to miss out ........
Ever seen a grown man cry ? Thanks for nuttin. :(

Nah great news bud !!!:clapping::clapping::toot::thumbup:

[threedogs]

Yah hooo, irish dance, yah hoooo, yipeeeeee yar hooooo. Very happy for you and mrs Goat.
Now what did they have to say other than oops

[taslucas]

She's a goer!! Really floored it up the hill where she normally comes to 3/4 of the way across the gauge, and the temp never moved off half way. How the hell these so-called mechanics missed a badly blocked radiator is beyond me.

And I bet that grin won't come off your face for weeks:-)
Awesome news in the end mate. Very happy for ya:-)

Tap, crackle, pop

[threedogs]

And to think you were going to nearly set fire to it, tisk tisk.
thats great mate, now what about that holiday, too late now or what??

[Goat]

Too late for the holiday. Will have to wait until next year now. Trying to get in touch with the "repairers", but the service manager won't take my call or ring me back. They say he is "busy". Never mind, I daresay the missus will find someone from Nissan who would be interested in the outcome, eg dealership's principal, CEO Nissan Australia. Waste of time going to "customer service".

[Goat]

And thank you all so much for your support. Without it, I doubt that we would have pursued it to the end. I probably would have traded it in on a Landcruiser and cut my losses. It was the support we got from everyone here that kept us going.:clapping:

[MEGOMONSTER]

Glad to hear all is good now, pity bout the trip

[Drew]

Forum get together at Mr & Mrs Goats place to celebrate :trink13::beer::1062:

[Maxhead]

Great news mate. Bet you're bloody happy this drama is over. Now get stuck into Nissan!





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[the ferret]

Glad for ya that it's sorted mate, well done.
Cheers, the ferret.

[threedogs]

All you guys from down south going to Neerum Creek drop in on Goat, FREE BEER, FREE FOOD, FREE CAMPING, DRINKS CARD for later down the Club RLMFAO

[happygu]

Really great news - Now get to planning your next getaway.....

Mic

[nipagu7]

Great to see you've got it sorted Goat . But astonished that nissan could not have worked this out the first time around .

[Steve4wdin]

I think everyone has already said "Goats" but thank god it `s resolved. What a painfull experiance. I hope nobody ever has to go through that. May be Mr and Mrs Goat will have to be sex slaves on each other for a final closing.
Well done guys and thanks for the posts
Steve

[Drew]

I think everyone has already said "Goats" but thank god it `s resolved. What a painfull experiance. I hope nobody ever has to go through that. May be Mr and Mrs Goat will have to be sex slaves on each other for a final closing.
Well done guys and thanks for the posts
Steve

Keep the pictures coming please :)

[Biscuits]

Keep the pictures coming please :)

2 Goats having sex??? What is this forum coming too :)

[Steve4wdin]

They say laughter is the best medican but two Goats< hahahahahahaahahahaahahahaahahah lmfao

[Goat]

You blokes crack me up!!!!

Just thought you might like this little tidbit from the dealer's write up on a CarSales website. This is what they say about their "service" department:

Our experienced service advisors are on hand to assist all your needs.
Our factory trained technicians along with the latest diagnostic equipment, specialist tooling and service information ensures your vehicle is maintained to its optimum performance.

Now that IS a crack-up!!!!!

[threedogs]

Theres your first piece of evidence, ask them what part of that was true. or it it a trying dept. learning dept, where are they Hooterville and Mr Henty is the service manager lol

[Goat]

Actually, the website was Country Cars. If you want to have a giggle??? http://www.countrycars.com.au/centralwest/car-dealer/bathurst-automotive-group

[Drew]

OMG ! My tummy hurts so much from laughing. You guys!

[macca]

Read this yesterday arvo, by the time I had finished it was another page longer!

Glad to hear you found the problem, and hopefully the source.

Dont know if a blame game is happening in regard to adding coolant, but all I can see is a no win situation. All those hours and parts thrown at your 4B with no result is not a good thing from Nissans point of view. Hope that doesnt come back at you.

Sounds like they tried all options open to them except the right one, just as suggestions that were tossed about here.

That crap about axle wieghts etc is beyond belief and the person that said that needs retraining!! FFS

I am aware it is tough to accept, but the person who makes no mistakes makes nothing.

Good luck, and hope you get to enjoy your vehicle for what you bought it for.

[threedogs]

Will need an update later in the week please

[Steve4wdin]

And photo`s

[Goat]

Update will happen!! And photos of the Patrol, complete with driving lights!!

[happygu]

Hey Mr Goat.....

Please.......don't tell Nissan that you are putting driving lights back on....you'll never hear the end of it......:tongue:

( Or at least make them video you going up the same hill with the driving lights working )

Mic

[macca]

Update will happen!! And photos of the Patrol, complete with driving lights!!

How have you got on? Hope you have had a good result.

[threedogs]

Maybe that NISSAN service dept, needs to re-learn,,,, 1 how to treat customers
and two how to fix a FREAKING radiator,,, Off my list if ever I go to the Mountain
to watch the V8s in the future.

[Goat]

We got a good result, in our books, anyway. The missus wrote to the dealer principal of the dealership, and he has now contacted us. After discussing the case with someone from Nissan in Melbourne, Nissan have offered us an extension on the manufacturer's warranty for 2 years or 40,000 kms, and the dealership will pay for the coring of the radiator. The dealer principal was very apologetic to the missus, and I don't think she held back, at one stage telling him, apparently, that she wouldn't take a lawn mower to them to fix. He said he didn't blame her, that the mechanics should have picked it up, and that, in future, if we have any problems with the Patrol, we are to contact him. The missus told him that we didn't want to get to 101,000 kms and find that the head gasket was stuffed, hence the offer for the extension on the warranty. They seem to think that the system was not flushed properly prior to delivery. Don't know if this is the fault of Nissan Australia, or the dealer who sold us the vehicle.
Anyway, we are happy with this result. The Patrol is functioning well again, and the missus is happier!! We will contact Fair Trading and advise them of this development.

[Bob]

That is a great result for you and I am glad for you.

Great to see the response and support from the members of this Forum. Great job fellows

[Goat]

The Patrol. Since this photo was taken, I've installed some 2" spacers on the back springs, so the rear isn't quite as low.
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n280/maucat_01/DSCF0565.jpg

[BillsGU]

Wow! It looks "hot" Goat! :)

I'll be up near your way in a couple of weeks. Camping at Newnes.

[macca]

Mate that is really good news, that extra warrantee is a really good offer and its good of Nissan to head down that path.

Pre-delivery flushing of the cooling system on a new car, wouldnt think so.
More likely wasnt flushed properly at manufacture, if the crud is from new.
Took a while to show up as a problem,

What ever, I reckon you can move on with confidence now and enjoy all that lies ahead of you.

[Goat]

Wow! It looks "hot" Goat! :)

I'll be up near your way in a couple of weeks. Camping at Newnes.

Be prepared to be cold at night. Still getting frosts here. -2 this morning, and about 12 now.

[threedogs]

Thats great, good to hear that Mrs Goat is a force to be reckoned with. At least now you have someone who knows the history of your 4x4
and should any problem arise thats slightly related you will be covered, great stuff Goat. That fishing offer is still open

[BillsGU]

Be prepared to be cold at night. Still getting frosts here. -2 this morning, and about 12 now.

Just installed a diesel heater in the caravan so it will be a good test for it.

[happygu]

Excellent response from Nissan....finally.

Let's hope that you don't need to use that extended warranty.

Mic

[Clunk]

Excellent news all round, let's hope the dealership come to the party if anything arises

Tap till ya can tap no more.....

[MudRunnerTD]

That is great news mate. Hope you still hang around the forum.

Enjoy your Patrol



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[snewin]

Wow, first time I've bothered to read this thread. What have I been missing. Epic read, felt I've run a marathon. Well done Mr & Mrs Goat in not giving in and sorting it out! Great outcome.

[Maxhead]

Well I am glad you got something for the trouble.
Got to watch those tow ball weights;). Hahah





........... On the move

[threedogs]

Me thinking someone just got the sack, and I don't blame them.
They were just being LAZY at Goats expense, GEE he even had to cancell a holiday cause of this/these idiots
that is not fair
What happened to having a bit of PRIDE in your work

[Ronin]

this only thing about this incident is that it dosent give me any confidence in Nissan warranty and I got extra 3 years. :(

[happygu]

In Nissan's defense, I haven't had anything but good results from my dealings with Nissan ( never had anything major go wrong though ).

I get my cars serviced by the same dealer which I discuss any warranty dealings with, and I don't know if that has too much bearing on the outcomes, but I do try to build a bit of a working relationship with the service guys at the desk.....

Mic

[Goat]

I get the Patrol serviced by a certified mechanic who lives close to us and can do it at times which suit me. For obvious reasons, I would be reluctant to take the Patrol back to this dealer for a service. If they can't diagnose a blocked radiator (when the service manager assured us he did his training in radiator repair), I'd be an idiot to trust them to even polish the tow ball.

The mechanic who services it does it by the manual. I supply the oil, and he gets the genuine Nissan filters etc. At least I know that he knows what he's doing.

[russ81]

A little tip from a mechanic, don't be afraid to tell whoever is servicing your vehicle that you would like to see any item that has been replaced during your service ie: filters, brake pads.

This does 2 things, it shows that the old parts have been replaced with new parts ( I know of mechanics that will wipe the outside of an oil filter clean and charge for a new one).

It will also show if the mechanic is changing and charging for parts that didn't need replacing.

If I find metal on the diff sump plug or crappy coolant, crappy hoses etc I always keep a sample to show the customer.

[Drew]

Great news Mr & Mrs Goat :beer: but you know, we're still waiting on the celebration night pics:tongue:

[Goat]

Great news Mr & Mrs Goat :beer: but you know, we're still waiting on the celebration night pics:tongue:


It'll be a long wait, Drew!!!

[Goat]

Just an update. We have received the paperwork for the extension to our warranty - 2 years or 50,000 kms. And the dealer has paid the total price for the coring of the radiator. Thinking they probably got out of it fairly cheaply. But at least its done and dusted. The Patrol is running like a dream - hard to keep it to the speed limit these days. Wants to get up and go!!

[schanmala]

What a story! Good to hear its all good now mate.

Enjoy!!!!!!

[threedogs]

Well done Goat, I take it Mrs Goat is happy again, By the way did they ever say sorry?
I mean really say sorry. Good to hear the Goatmobile likes to get up and boogy.
Thought the worst when I saw this thread again, thought it was all sorted, Don't scare me like that
A lot of late nights posting here, lol cheers, now pics of holidays Goat

[Lonicus]

Damn what a bloody mess!

Glad to hear you got everything sorted Goat and that you're back on the road.

As a byline, I just picked my new Patrol this week from the same dealer. It looks like the "mechanic" that was looking into your problems may have done the pre-delivery service on my new GU.

I checked the tyres when I got home from the dealership as the steering felt really light, 44psi in the front, 46 and 48 in the rear! Checked his worksheet and apart from ticking the box stating tyre pressures were checked/adjusted he even verified that my GPS and reversing camera were all working correctly....I don't have either.

Contacted the dealership expressing my concerns about what other boxes might have been ticked without the work having actually been done. Will see what happens on Monday.

Nothing compared to your woes Goat, just another instance of the quality of "workmanship" from that particular dealership.

[threedogs]

Lonicus Think you should start your own thread, sounds interesting to say the least. lol
No names but they really need to lift their game

[Lonicus]

No worries Threedogs. Not really thread-worthy was just a mention about the dealership.

[Goat]

Damn what a bloody mess!

Glad to hear you got everything sorted Goat and that you're back on the road.

As a byline, I just picked my new Patrol this week from the same dealer. It looks like the "mechanic" that was looking into your problems may have done the pre-delivery service on my new GU.

I checked the tyres when I got home from the dealership as the steering felt really light, 44psi in the front, 46 and 48 in the rear! Checked his worksheet and apart from ticking the box stating tyre pressures were checked/adjusted he even verified that my GPS and reversing camera were all working correctly....I don't have either.

Contacted the dealership expressing my concerns about what other boxes might have been ticked without the work having actually been done. Will see what happens on Monday.

Nothing compared to your woes Goat, just another instance of the quality of "workmanship" from that particular dealership.

Try talking to the dealer principal. I found he was very approachable, apologised to the missus so many times about this that we thought he may wear out the knees of his pants.

[threedogs]

Pulled out the Micheal Jackson Knee pads ,great stuff and so he should.

They should have even given you a voucher or something so You and Mrs Goat could go into
town and have a meal on them.Trust all going great now?
I get nervous everytime I see this thread pop up. now lol

[Lonicus]

All good Goat, nothing to really worry about, I'll save the Principal card for later if needed.

Hopefully your problems are a thing of the past now!

Thought twice about replying as I didn't want to stress out Threedogs in his current state :)

[Goat]

Pulled out the Micheal Jackson Knee pads ,great stuff and so he should.

They should have even given you a voucher or something so You and Mrs Goat could go into
town and have a meal on them.Trust all going great now?
I get nervous everytime I see this thread pop up. now lol

All is going fine, thanks, threedogs! Had a trip to Sydney in the Patrol on Saturday. No worries going up Mt Victoria or River Lett Hill. The holiday will have to wait until later on now. Possibly autumn 2013, though after the snow on Friday, one wonders if the Carbon Tax is working already!

[threedogs]

Alls good Lonicus, just scared me seeing this thread pop up. took a lot out of a few people.
but who doesn't like a happy ending. Plus its great to see the Goatmobile getting some miles

[Patrolhead]

Same Problem here.
My patrol a 2010 GU DX Wagon Auto start to overheat at around 40Ks under load, but as far as I know it never went too far, I always stop way before it ot to the red line.

After three trips to my local nissan and no luck finding the problem, I decide to drop the trool there until they get it fixed.

Took Nissan a couple of weeks to find out that was a badly blocked radiator (nearly 80%). In the mean time I got the fan clutch, radiator caps, water pump, and thermostat replaced. In their way down to the water pump they found that the belt tensioner was a bit suspicious, so they replaced it too.

So after all the troubles of not having my car for more than two weeks, they cphone me one day and said that the car was fixed and the problem was the radiatro badly blocked. I didn't have time to tell them anything when they said, it's not possible for a nearly new car to have a radiator like that, so Nissan took ownership of the problem. I went back pick up my car and hasn't overheat ever since.
At the end, I didn't have to pay or even ask for warranty fix... they said that was their fault.

One thing that I could notice was that the fan wasn't working when the car was hot, which makes me think that the radiator was always crook and it never came out until the silicone inside the thermofan gave up.

Possibly the Japanesse fellow that is supossed to clean the radiators before they get installed had a bad day or just went to the dunny for a couple of hours.

Anyway, I had a pretty good outcome and I didn't want to post here until I was 100 % sure that the problem was fixed, but interestinly it happens pretty much at the same time that this Thread was going around.

Cheers,

[lorrieandjas]

Sounds like there is an inherent issue - though I wonder how prevalent it is? Haven't seen a lot of reports on this - did they give you any indication of why/how it was so blocked?

Jas

[BillsGU]

Could be casting sand left in the block.

[pellatt]

I know theses posts were a while ago but having a read of it all, wow what a relief for goat!!

I have a 2010 gu patrol cab chasis with 75,000ks and I'm experiencing the exact same problem and cant figure it out and also the mechanic has gave It a flush but still over heats, maybe coring of the radiator like goat has done should finalise this problem!!!!
just curious goat did you have pressure in the radiator hoses when you had this problem???

any replies would be awesome and great help thanks guys!

[Stropp]

I know theses posts were a while ago but having a read of it all, wow what a relief for goat!!

I have a 2010 gu patrol cab chasis with 75,000ks and I'm experiencing the exact same problem and cant figure it out and also the mechanic has gave It a flush but still over heats, maybe coring of the radiator like goat has done should finalise this problem!!!!
just curious goat did you have pressure in the radiator hoses when you had this problem???


any replies would be awesome and great help thanks guys!


mate first thing is to check the viscous hub and to make sure there is no mud build up in the radiator or behind it in the cowl if that hasnt been done,there was a heap in mine and that was restricting the airflow and cooling and get it cored as well, for the cost its worth checking it all.

[threedogs]

@ pellatt Might want to jump over to the intros as well, just something the forum asks of us all.
You could use the car wash but DON"T pull the trigger you'll blow holes

Freaks me out big time when old threads get pull out especially this one

[Goat]

At the risk of giving threedogs heart failure, we have a continuing saga with the Patrol. In November last year (2013) the EGR pipe split in two and we had to have that replaced, along with the manifold which was warped (done in Sydney while I was in hospital having stag horns removed from the kidneys - a regular occurrence!) Now the Patrol is back at the dealership again with (so they have told me) a blown manifold gasket. This is being taken care of under the extended warranty supplied by Nissan after the blocked radiator fiasco..

The dealer/principal of the Nissan dealership did not hesitate to come good with a courtesy car this time, and I am running around in a Suzuki SX4. Neat little vehicle. I will find out today if the Patrol is back on the road, otherwise it will stay there until its fixed. A mechanic friend thought the problem (a high pitched squealing sound when the engine is revved) may have been the turbo on the way out. We shall see. They haven't rung me to say the Patrol is OK to go, so perhaps the parts haven't turned up.......

[threedogs]

Hi Goat hope your health is ok, as for your Patrol seems a common thing on some models ,
All I would suggest is fit an EGT Gauge and block your EGR off completely.And yes I got a startle
seeing this thread again, great to hear Nissan are doing the right this time. Your motor will be better off with the EGR block.
And hope you're up and at them soon ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Cheers TD

[MyGU8]

Interestingly I had(?) the same issue, I bought a (company) used Patrol a couple of weeks ago and went on an unexpected trip uphill. The engine started to heat up (boiling). I am gald that I went on that trip which triggered the overheating issue.

I came back and read this thread and call back the dealer (as it is still under 3 month statutory warranty) and told the issue and asked him to clean the radiator too. The dealer without any hesitation cleaned the radiator and told me that this is a common thing with Nissan (Patrols?), he said it is crystalization of the coolant.

I am yet to test the patrol after the cleanup. Hope everything's alright now!

Cheers

[emm]

Hi, just letting you know for the sake of this thread that the same thing happened with my 2010 patrol, had a radiator flush and fixed it but Nissan wouldn't take ownership of the problem, they said that even though it was still in warranty at the time, the previous owner had it serviced by a mechanic not affiliated with Nissan and because the coolant wasn't Nissan coolant it voided the warranty, meaning we were out of pocket $650! I honestly believe something happened on the factory line with this model. All fine ever since.

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[Robo]

Holly crap batman,I'm glad to hear all's well that ends well.
reading the whole ordeal, was wondering what it all did longevity wise to engine.
Your still going so that's great news.
threads old, but trying to get head around what actually caused the problem.

These car are made in Japan Correct!.
Run and tested and good to go before leavening Japan correct!.

Before leaving Japan do they drain all fluids to lighten the load for shipping??.
Would give a good amount of time for crap to develop a peel off within the block ready to block the radiator when it's next filled up with fresh fluids.
Suggest the system was never flushed when it landed in Aus.
And your system partially blocked from day 1 here.

And or when turbo was done cooling system dried out and the crap peeled off then and problem started OR multiplied then.
Crap going to the radiator to block it up.

Humm
Recently removed TB42 from Mav and replaced cracked head.
with in a week that much crap had dried and peeled off the bottom of cooling area in block, that I rolled engine on stand and blew compressed air for the next 10 min's to remove as much crap as I could before reassembly .
Was very amazed how much rubbish feel on the floor, given had looked after the engine maintance wise flushing etc.
Anyway Cheers.

[threedogs]

I think you'll find Robbo along the line some how coolants are mixed which in turn , turns the coolant into Gel
Stop dragging up this thread its going to give me Heart failure

[Martyc]

I have a 2012 wagon with the same issues. Turn out the radiator was full of casting sand. The dealer tells me that this is a common issue and would only show up when towing or full load up hill.

Lucky for me they replaced yonder warranty with a thermostat and viscous hub

[hempo]

Sorry threedogs but dragging this one up for you.

2013 GU just over 63,000km. Started seeing low to mid 90 degrees WT onthe scangauge. Drove to Brissy last week about 60km on flat highway, not towing, and WT got to 103 degrees. Nissan removed radiator, flushed etc and 50% blocked due to 'gumming' of coolant etc. They said they had seen this before. I asked when do they flush/replace coolant he said not until 80k service. So anyone with late model buy yourself a scangauge as without it you may be getting high temps without knowing. At worst get a full flush on your next service if not already done.

Nissan also said there was some mud buildup behind the radiator but either way the radiator was slowly blocking up internally.

Cheers

[Hodge]

Good post hemp. I always keep an eye on my scangauge rather than the dash needle. Just curious what yours are at normally ? My 2009 is about to hit 65k, I know there is some mud buildup behind radiator, and mine usually sits on 87C, 86C when really cold and car is warmed up. Hits 88 when I push it, and sometimes 89-91 when it's really pushed.

[hempo]

Hi Hodge, my temps are exactly the same as you mentioned. normal driving around 87, up the range going home maybe 90-91 in summer. Hence the concern when started getting higher, and higher.

Meant to also note the service guy said the flush at 80,000 may not rectify as they aren't doing a full clean out of the radiator? Someone more technical could probably clarify what they do and don't do at this 80k service.

Was talking to a friend from Ford service today and he said he knows of others with late model Patrols with same issue.

CHeers

[threedogs]

Hi Hodge, my temps are exactly the same as you mentioned. normal driving around 87, up the range going home maybe 90-91 in summer. Hence the concern when started getting higher, and higher.

Meant to also note the service guy said the flush at 80,000 may not rectify as they aren't doing a full clean out of the radiator? Someone more technical could probably clarify what they do and don't do at this 80k service.

Was talking to a friend from Ford service today and he said he knows of others with late model Patrols with same issue.

CHeers

All good Hempo the more info the better the thread, interestingly I was in SCA the othe day after some coolant.
And was looking at Tecalloy brand if you read it says compatible with other coolants , but its cheap enough to use one
coolant at a time. believe it or not Ive been running water only for 2 years now with nill problems, as Im trying to find a leak.

[dutchy100]

Hi Goat My2011 Nissan boiled towing 3ton van 2yrs ago picked up by Nissan dealer found 60% blockage in block full of casting sand

[damoboss]

In case anyone is still reading this thread!

I had the exact same problem as GOAT, overheating on hills etc. Took it to Nissan - one new radiator and thermostat later and the GU 2013 is still overheating - this time on hills and in particular as soon as you turn on the aircon. Nissan are adamant the cooling system etc is perfect. They did say that my shroud has parts missing and or/broken off, which they have ordered and will be fixed tomorrow.
Question is - can parts missing off the shroud cause these overheating issues? If I keep the car on the straight and not push it hard it doesn't overheat - as soon as I switch on aircon or give it a bit on a hill it overheats.

Cheers
Damo

[threedogs]

be still my beating heart , lol a few things to check on your other post